Talk:Bob Marley

Other Tributes

In the Other Tributes section, it contends that "the Australian Aboriginal people continue to burn a sacred flame to honour his memory in Sydney's Victoria Park". But, I couldn only find this published sporadically, and never with an actual reference. I know the park well and have never seen a sacred flame in honour of Bob Marley there unfortunately. I am unfortunately unable to view the reference 'Marley Legend: An Illustrated Life of Bob Marley'. I will definitely look again for the flame next time I am there, but given WP:V, I am unsure if the claim is reliable. If anyone can find a better source, that would help a lot, because most other concurring articles seem to have originated from Henke's claim. Rubyyacht (talk) 02:01, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

That detail has now been removed. If anyone has a reliable source for it, it can be returned. SilkTork (talk) 16:12, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

to hospital?

Maybe change it "to the hospital" instead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.15.100.25 (talk) 10:44, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

"taken to hospital" is the standard phrase. SilkTork (talk) 16:06, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 December 2021

Surprised that there is no mention of the conspiracy theory related to the CIA being involved in Marley's death. Perhaps just a short mention could be added? 2601:18C:8B82:9E0:21B4:754C:E5B0:7344 (talk) 03:55, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:56, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

@Muboshgu: are you saying that you've never heard of the CIA assassination conspiracy? 2601:18C:8B82:9E0:21B4:754C:E5B0:7344 (talk) 04:00, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

I'm saying that you need to provide reliable sources that discuss the conspiracy theory, and propose the precise sentence(s) you want added. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:10, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

@Muboshgu, although i wasn't the one who requested the edit, but there are tons of sources on the conspiracy. for example, this. Tame (talk) 15:49, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Tamingimpala, you have the permissions needed to edit this article, so if you'd like, you can WP:BEBOLD. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:16, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Updating Ancestry Claims

Per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bob_Marley/Archive_6#Ancestry_additions, the ancestry claims in the article and the related categories should be removed. As a side note the user who added this edit https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bob_Marley&type=revision&diff=918122259&oldid=917367015 was banned. Per wikipedia policy I think you should be able to revert edits of banned users 2600:1010:B00C:92EF:9D27:D861:2E5D:99D3 (talk) 05:38, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Explanation needed

"Marley rejected his doctors' advice to have his toe amputated (which would have hindered his performing career)"

The part in brackets needs further explanation/clarification. It is hard to understand why. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C8:7B08:6A00:29D5:64FB:79EA:70E3 (talk) 00:34, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Baptism

This article makes no mention about Marley's reversion to Christianity and joining of the Ethiopian Christian Church on 4 November 1980. 64.229.24.167 (talk) 11:50, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

If you can show us a reliable source for this occurrence, it will be considered. Britmax (talk) 12:28, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 April 2022

Add to the article in the association football section of personal life that Marley was a big fan of Celtic FC from Glasgow and would record old firm derby matches when he was on tour 2A00:23C8:1E85:3401:4870:9024:3F17:4FC9 (talk) 19:09, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:27, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Image change request

The current image of Bob here, imo, sucks. Per MOS:LEADIMAGE, "but also be the type of image used for similar purposes in high-quality reference works," - hardly being able to see Bob's face alone is lackluster and to me, fails this requirement - it also hides majority of his actual appearance. I'd prefer the switch to

Bob-Marley 3 (cropped).jpg

as it actually represents him in a frontal view. niko3818 (talk) 01:17, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

I see this image change has now been made. A definite improvement, in my opinion. AndyTheGrump (talk) 03:08, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Request to Remove Patrilineal Syrian-Jewish Ancestry Claim

Per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bob_Marley/Archive_6#Ancestry_additions, it seems like the claim that Bob Marley's father, Norval Sinclair Marley, was of partial or full Syrian Jewish descent, is unsubstantiated.

This claim keeps going through a cycle of reappearing and being removed. Norval was a white Jamaican and the ancestry records of his family tree supports this claim. Baptismal records show the Marleys were English Christians. The real biography dismisses the claim of Syrian-Jewish ancestry. Including the claim is unencyclopedic, especially considering Norval didn't even consider himself to be Jewish.

Can we remove this claim and the categories it corresponds to? 2600:1010:B06E:BBB7:9532:4755:B1F1:63A3 (talk) 04:30, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Adding to my previous comment, these two family trees show patrilineal English descent (not Syrian.)

• https://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/trees/121358/I011/-/pedigree
• http://www.wargs.com/other/marley.html 2600:1010:B06E:BBB7:40EB:808C:2CC7:32DB (talk) 01:47, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

I did some more digging around and found that every source for the claim of Syrian-Jewish ancestry is coming from this article from 2003 https://web.archive.org/web/20100814130612/http://www.bobmarleymagazine.com/2003/06/interview-with-heather-marley/ (takes a couple of seconds to load.) It's with Heather Marley who says she is a second cousin of Bob's.

Parts of this story seem dubious. She says her father "new" nothing about Norval and didn't know about Bob Marley until he read about Bob in a Time Magazine article. Yet the previous paragraph contains the claim that her father was told by his mother that the Marleys were Syrian Jews. How could he be told stories about them presumably at a time when he didn't know they existed? Her story about Ziggy Marley's road manager assuming she was related to Bob because of the similarity of her brother's appearance to Bob's is equally dubious.

This is not a RS.

This claim was last added here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bob_Marley&type=revision&diff=650254349&oldid=649559504 by a user who has since been blocked. They have a similar pattern of judaizing the ancestry of other public figures. 2600:1010:B06E:BBB7:58D7:9D94:5376:13BB (talk) 12:29, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 June 2022

I'm piggybacking off the previous section I added https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bob_Marley#Request_to_Remove_Patrilineal_Syrian-Jewish_Ancestry_Claim.

The request is for removal of Category:Jamaican people of English-Jewish descent and Category:Jamaican people of Syrian-Jewish descent categories.

I request the claim "whose family claimed to have Syrian Jewish origins as well" to be removed as well. This seems to be originating from a removed article on the internet with a Heather Marley, who claimed to be related to Bob Marley and had met him once. If it can't be removed then it should be mentioned that "biographers have hastened to dismiss these claims, saying that they are unverified" according to https://forward.com/culture/469877/in-the-music-of-bob-marley-a-deep-connection-to-judaism/. 2600:1010:B06E:BBB7:64AF:3E1D:93D2:4A14 (talk) 05:05, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: This is actually a controversial edit, so you'll need to discuss first with other editors. Please open a new section here and start a discussion. If this is being added and removed, rather than continue the slow edit war via edit requests, please discuss and form a consensus one way or another. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:03, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

I created the section before this one to discuss but since nobody replied, I created the edit request.

I respect your consensus building approach and will wait patiently. That said, the last time this edit was discussed in 2019, the consensus was leaning towards removing the claim of Jewish ancestry. 2600:1010:B06E:BBB7:D901:5897:D534:ABB0 (talk) 12:03, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi there - I found the article where the claim originates from and linked it in the previous section. Since that article is not a RS, does a consensus actually need to be reached? 2600:1010:B06E:BBB7:58D7:9D94:5376:13BB (talk) 12:33, 18 June 2022 (UTC)