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username confusion

hi, Soni! regarding the issue you have raised at the current rfa, i thought i might suggest some custom css code that might help you out. if you add the code below to your common.css file, you should be able to add a custom note after links to theleekycauldron's user page, such as the one in her signature.

a[href="/wiki/User:Theleekycauldron"]::after {content: " [your note here]";}

note, of course, that "[your note here]" should be replaced with your custom note.

please let me know if this helps, or if it doesn't work for you. thanks in advance! dying (talk) 03:55, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

@Dying That does help, thank you. It's a shame that this needs me to edit common.css for every user/my notes are effectively public, but this does solve the issue I wanted. Thanks! Soni (talk) 05:30, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

oh! apologies, i had figured that this would be a sufficient solution because you had stated that you only wanted to add some custom colors for two to three editors. however, if you don't want to keep your notes open, i think some browsers allow users to keep a custom css file offline that gets applied to any site a user visits. for example, i believe firefox allows users to edit a file named "userChrome.css" to customize their interface, and safari allows users to select any css file through their advanced preferences. alternatively, if you don't want to go through that trouble, you can just use neutral notes. for example, "[dyk]" might be an appropriate note for theleekycauldron, and "[not dyk]" for Leaky caldron.

by the way, in case you are unable to read the room, my guess is that the reason why people have responded to your concern in the general comments section of the rfa is because they are suggesting that you strike your question. i believe the current standard at rfa is to ask a question only if it will have a bearing on your !vote, to avoid needlessly exacerbating an already stressful process. we already have an issue with trying to find enough editors willing to go through the gauntlet that is rfa. can you imagine how many more people would be dissuaded from the process if they thought they might be pressured into changing their username as well?

anyway, if you need any other help resolving your issue, please let me know. thanks! dying (talk) 18:02, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the browser tip. I'll figure out how to hack away at my Chromium.

by the way, in case you are unable to read the room, my guess is that the reason why people have responded to your concern in the general comments section of the rfa is because they are suggesting that you strike your question.

I have not heard anyone suggest that, so it's impossible for me to guess what people think unless someone requests so. Now that you have suggested, I think it's kinda moot. The question was already answered, and the General Discussion was enough to settle it for me/explain why it wasn't as clear cut as I expected.

Your logic (to ask a question only if it will have a bearing on your !vote) makes sense, though that is not a standard I was aware of. I get it and agree (People should not make RFA tougher) but don't necessarily agree with the how many more people would be dissuaded from the process if they thought they might be pressured into changing their username as well argument. It feels both like a slippery slope, and forgets that editing customs are a sprawling mess that sometimes people cannot know everything from the get go.

Specifically, I remember an RFA (I cannot offhand recall which) I read from a couple(?) years back where an editor had an unfortunate(?) username, was requested to change it, and did, mid-RFA (to something similar). I remember it succeeding. From my POV, I had no way of being sure if this situation was analogous, something stronger, or something weaker. As it turns out from other editors' examples (Barkeep/Barkeep49) it was weaker, and therefore less of a concern than I expected. But I think asking editors to swing all the way to the other side and never asking questions that might be awkward is... a bit too much. I think it's way more important to ask important questions, and then back out respectfully if they turn out to be less important than you thought.

Hope that explains my logic! I would recommend starting an WT:RFA discussion to change some wording on RFA templates to make it clearer that questions only should be asked if that might result in changing your vote. Unwritten rules like this one are often cause for lots of confusion, and it'd save multiple people from spent time working around any faux pas that happen. Soni (talk) 18:28, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

the standard is written at wp:rfqa, which is linked to near the top of the wp:rfa page, with the link text "Advice for asking questions at RfA". i understand that not everyone is going to spend the time to do the research regarding what is considered an appropriate question to ask at an rfa before posing one themselves, which is why i thought i might bring this standard to your attention, in case you had not been previously aware. i am assuming that such details aren't in the editnotice to minimize banner blindness, but if you think it would have helped you before you posed your question, i think it would be a good idea to start a discussion at wt:rfa to help others avoid the same faux pas.

i don't think the issue of you having raised the question is moot now, as you have decided to raise a follow-up question. if it wasn't clear, what i thought the others were suggesting is for you to strike your follow-up question, not your original one. my guess is that the regulars at rfa didn't really react to your original question because they figured that it came from someone that may not have had that much experience asking questions at rfa. (i recognize that you have successfully asked another candidate to change his username in an earlier rfa, here, but i believe that situation was different because the candidate had used cyrillic script in his username, which may cause issues with people on en wikipedia wishing to contact the candidate.) however, after you had posed your follow-up question, i believe people started addressing your concern directly because they had felt that the follow-up question was uncalled for, and didn't know if you had any plans to stop pressuring the candidate into changing her username.

i am not sure if the rfa from maybe a couple years back that you cannot recall is the rfa for Moneytrees (formerly known as "Money emoji"), but in that case, i believe there was only significant pressure to change the signature. there was a question about whether or not the candidate regretted picking that username, but in that case, the candidate had already been considering a change of username anyway.

i am admittedly confused by your assertion that you think it is "important to ask important questions, and then back out respectfully if they turn out to be less important than you thought". to me, it looks like you have acknowledged that the issue is "less important than you thought", but i don't think you have successfully "back[ed] out respectfully". am i misunderstanding something here? to be clear, i also agree that "asking editors to swing all the way to the other side and never asking questions that might be awkward" would be asking too much, and i think that is also why no one alerted you to your faux pas when you asked your original question.

in any case, i recognize that sometimes it's difficult for me to read the room, and have often been thankful to those that point out something that i might have been oblivious to, which is why i thought i might help you out in case you were having difficulty understanding this situation yourself. i don't know if you realize, but i think you may be attracting off-wiki criticism for your follow-up question as well. of course, asking such questions is well within your right as an editor, so i have no intention of stopping you from doing so. i just wanted to make sure that you understood what others thought of your actions, as, had i been in a similar position, i would have appreciated someone else reaching out to me to confirm that i was aware of what i was doing, just in case i wasn't. if you were indeed previously aware of what you were doing, then i apologize for bothering you regarding this issue. dying (talk) 21:47, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

I do not believe the WP:RFQA is as well published as I'd like. Even after you telling me where it is, I cannot find it anywhere on the WP:RFA page without attempting a search on the page. I think that, assuming it's a widely supported stance (I cannot tell with it being an essay but also linked from RFA page), it should be shown more prominently in RFA templates.

And that makes sense. (The follow up bits). I personally did not see it as pressuring, but I see your POV. I have strucken thruogh the question, accordingly. It came more from a place of genuine confusion than force the candidate. I've had similar trouble elsewhere (not being certain what people mean when using vague words, so to speak).

Thank you for informing me about reading the room, that was not intentional on my behalf. That said, I do not care about any off-wiki criticisms, those may happen regardless of merit. It's impossible for me to meet standards or conversations I am unaware of, so I plan to act normally unless informed directly otherwise.

Thanks again.

Soni (talk) 00:29, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Question from Lovemagichistory (21:37, 24 August 2023)

Awesome! Thank you so much, Soni! --Lovemagichistory (talk) 21:37, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

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