Talk:Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories

Requested move 22 February 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) NW1223 <Howl at me•My hunts> 05:59, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

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Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories → Birther movement – This own article in the first paragraph says this is commonly called the Birther movement by WP:RS. With this fact in mind we should go ahead and change it to Birther movement under WP:COMMONNAME. Also this topic is bit more expansive than purely 'citizenship' as the title put's it. It's also about religion and birth place, which isn't necessarily tied to citizenship, especially in the minds of conspiracy theorist. Overall, this title isn't particularly effective and there is a common name for this situation. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 02:21, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose The current title is a model of clarify. The proposed target looks like a spelling mistake. Obama has interest outside the USA. American neologisms are unlikely to be known outside the USA. Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:32, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose Proposed name is vague and unnecessary. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 15:14, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose Birthplace and citizenship are very much tied together in the United States, and the article is about a former U.S. president and U.S. law. The article title informs the reader it is about beliefs about Obama, and not about citizenship generally. This article's title is also intended as a compliment to the article Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories. --Weazie (talk) 18:03, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 15 March 2022

Remove "people who doubted Obama's citizenship were racist or republican."

It was a conspiracy spread among people of all political preference, and it is just as wrong to assume anyone with a negative view on someone who happens to be "of color" is always racist or republican. ("Of color" is a racist term by the way. We all have color in our skin) 2601:187:8380:5330:19C7:77AA:CF14:473E (talk) 07:55, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

I don't know what you're quoting, but it's not this article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:11, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

This quote does not appear to exist in this article. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 07:25, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Here's a link: https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article102354777.html. Apparently racist Clinton supporters were among those who *started* the rumor. There is no evidence that republican's are notably more racist than democrats. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/are-white-republicans-more-racist-than-white-democrats/ 135.84.167.43 (talk) 16:53, 31 August 2023 (UTC). Personally I would remove the "republicans" part. It's speculative and the association with the word "racist" seems pointed and inaccurate.

The Daily Kos poll

@Nomoskedasticity, @OgamD218, assuming the Research 2000 article gets it right, it seems OgamD218 has a point. If the Daily Kos has said the poll was crap, there's no good reason to keep it here. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:39, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Okay, sure. All I had to go on was an assertion in an edit summary... Nomoskedasticity (talk) 16:28, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

A later supplied link showed that Daily Kos had repudiated Research 2000's work. But the assertion -- that at one point around a quarter of Americans didn't believe or "doubted" that Obama was born in the United States -- was made by others; DailyKos/Research 2000 weren't the only ones asking this question. It would helpful to restore the assertion to the article (while not relying on DailyKos and Research 2000). --Weazie (talk) 20:29, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 April 2023

There is repeated text in the first paragraph. Suggestion: change the following --

During Barack Obama's campaign for president in 2008, throughout his presidency and afterwards, there was extensive news coverage of Obama's religious preference, birthplace, and of the individuals questioning his religious belief and citizenship – efforts eventually known as the "birther movement",[2] by which name it is widely referred to across media.[3][4][5][6][7][8][9] The movement falsely asserted Obama was ineligible to be President of the United States because he was not a natural-born citizen of the United States as required by Article Two of the Constitution. During Barack Obama's campaign for president in 2008, throughout his presidency and afterwards, there was extensive news coverage of Obama's religious preference, birthplace, and of the individuals questioning his religious belief and citizenship – efforts eventually known as the "birther movement",[2] by which name it is widely referred to across media.[3][4][5][6][7][8][9] The movement falsely asserted Obama was ineligible to be President of the United States because he was not a natural-born citizen of the United States as required by Article Two of the Constitution.

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During Barack Obama's campaign for president in 2008, throughout his presidency and afterwards, there was extensive news coverage of Obama's religious preference, birthplace, and of the individuals questioning his religious belief and citizenship – efforts eventually known as the "birther movement",[2] by which name it is widely referred to across media.[3][4][5][6][7][8][9] The movement falsely asserted Obama was ineligible to be President of the United States because he was not a natural-born citizen of the United States as required by Article Two of the Constitution. Ericli3690 (talk) 22:26, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

 Done – Muboshgu (talk) 22:48, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Phrasing edit request 2023-06-21

Obama's parents were divorced in 1964. He attended kindergarten in 1966–1967 at Noelani Elementary School in Honolulu. In 1967, his mother married Indonesian student Lolo Soetoro, who was also attending the University of Hawaii (...)

I know it would be ridiculous to interpret this as such, but the phrasing here sounds like Lolo Soetoro was a student at the kindergarten. Perhaps rephrase to "...his mother married fellow University of Hawaii student, Lolo Soetoro" Bradbradenson (talk) 22:24, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Not done. It says "who was also attending the University of Hawaii" -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 23:11, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 August 2023

jun e = june 2603:8000:D300:3650:B549:5A7:4953:2993 (talk) 09:49, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

It's not clear what you want done--Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 12:21, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Done, thanks for noticing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:49, 29 August 2023 (UTC)