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August 31

World Cup allocation vote

Hello. Regarding the assignment of a World Cup (soccer) to a country, how does the above vote take place? Thanks a lot. Andreoto (talk) 15:35, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See FIFA World Cup#Hosts. 2A00:23A8:4015:F501:6D20:FFB9:EB08:D5A2 (talk) 15:58, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

More detail than you probably want is at Voting Procedure for the Designation of the Host Country of the 2026 FIFA World Cup™ Final Competition

Does it cover bribes? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 12:15, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

September 1

Sir Alf Ramsey

Hello. Can someone please add on his page the source, regarding FourFourTwo's list of the 100 best managers ever? Sorry I'm not very familiar with it; I'm a bit rusty. :-) Thank you very much. https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/ranked-the-100-best-football-managers-of-all-time/8 Andreoto (talk) 13:37, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done Not by me, but it looks like some other editors took care of this already. Thanks for the heads up. --Jayron 32 17:25, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved

September 2

Name these two types of clouds

Please help me narrow the general meteorological terms for these kinds of clouds in art:

Thank you for your help in this urgent matter. Viriditas (talk) 01:53, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The article List of cloud types may be a jumping-off point, but I'd imagine you've already seen that.

For A I would tentatively suggest Altostratus or perhaps Cirrostratus.

For B, perhaps Cirrocumulus.

However, clouds come in many variations of types and species, some quite rare, so someone with expert knowledge is needed here, such as a meteorologist or an airline pilot. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.194.81.165 (talk) 03:21, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with B, but still uncertain about A. Viriditas (talk) 03:27, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's a piece of art and not realistic enough to identify the type of clouds. A has a completely featureless top. That indicates it's some kind of stratus, but it's impossible to say which. B has small blobs, indicating it's some kind of cumulus, but again impossible to say which. PiusImpavidus (talk) 20:25, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

B is answered here. They are called horizontal convective rolls, or "cloud streets". We get them here in Hawaii. Update: it turns out that Theodore von Kármán, one of the engineers who studied the fluid dynamics involved in a type of cloud street (Kármán vortex street), re-discovered it (it had been studied by others in the past) when he saw it in a 14th century painting that depicts vortices in the water. Perhaps you will think of that the next time you dismiss a "piece of art". Viriditas (talk) 10:47, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Some pieces of art are realistic. These are not (they don't have to). Look at the distribution of the vertical extend of the clouds in B (as projected on the plane of the painting) and of the blue gaps inbetween. No way this could happen in reality. Successive rolls of clouds don't obscure each other in the distance, so they must be completely flat, all in a flat horizontal plane. This plane curves down closer to the observer. Closer to the observer, the clouds also get shorter, if you properly read the perspective. This artist has abstracted the clouds to the point that they only keep the essence of cumulus clouds (in B) or stratus clouds (in A), but lost the properties that could narrow it down to a specific subtype. PiusImpavidus (talk) 18:13, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You're free to believe that as much as you like, but the history of art and science says otherwise, and is at odds with your assessment. Researchers have examined abstract cliff paintings, only to determine that they may represent specific astronomical phenomena such as Halley's Comet and supernova SN 1054. In California, abstract rock art of the Chumash people is thought to represent a solar eclipse from November 24, 1677. The field of archaeoastronomy is full of hundreds of these examples. We know that O'Keeffe was painting about specific types of clouds because she wrote about it, and many of her abstract depictions of clouds have representational connections with specific, known meteorological phenomena. I myself have spent time photographing cloud formations, and many of the final, untouched images that I have captured do not look real, and could easily be confused as CGI, drawings, or abstract paintings. This was also one of the points O'Keeffe's husband made when he did the same thing with cloud photography in the 1930s. I think you are a bit too hasty in your Platonic dismissal of the knowledge contained with the arts. O'Keeffe saw what appeared as otherworldly and entirely unrealistic from her airplane window. Her abstraction of this image was not lost on people as much as you say it was. I have also seen for myself what this painting depicts from an airplane, and I am able to fully integrate the abstract qualities and to recognize it as something that actually exists ("cloud streets"). I think your answer says something about your own perceptual view of the world that prevents you from doing this, rather than something objective and true about the relationship between art and reality. Viriditas (talk) 00:47, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also remember that while humans love to categorize things into separate 'types' and give them labels, Nature often works in continua, so sometimes a thing (such as a cloud formation) may be two things, or neither, or a hybrid, or a thing we haven't labelled yet. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.194.81.165 (talk) 09:13, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Doing a Ratner

A Jewish fruiterer in Stamford Hill trades under the name "Rottenberg fruit shop" (which appears on till receipts although there is no name over the door). Many years ago in Oxford there was a luxury car hire firm named "Crappers". Are there any other similarly unfortunately named businesses? 2A02:C7B:124:3D00:2B8D:308D:B18C:5BD8 (talk) 11:24, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

'Doing a Ratner'. Hey, I forgot about that bloke. Classic! :D SN54129 11:44, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For the puzzled, Gerald Ratner ran a nationwide chain of high street jewellers, which almost went to the wall after he told a conference of company directors that his success was due to selling items that were "total crap". In the aftermath he was sacked; the company had to close 300 shops and rebrand itself. His name is now a byword in the UK for destroying your own business with bad publicity. Alansplodge (talk) 11:59, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I found 50 Unfortunate Business Names That Are Also Brilliant. Alansplodge (talk) 12:00, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Motorcycle license, yellow, character 玉

Hi,

What country could this be located in? I was thinking mainland China as the vehicles drive on the right in the footage and store signs looked like simplified Chinese, but I was unsure. 50.101.173.184 (talk) 11:32, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have the title of the film? 2A02:C7B:124:3D00:2B8D:308D:B18C:5BD8 (talk) 11:48, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Which film? --Lambiam 14:42, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Presumably the film in which the OP saw "the footage". -- 136.54.106.120 (talk) 17:04, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

None of the provinces of mainland China use the graph 玉 as an identifier on license plates. Folly Mox (talk) 18:25, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If it's relevant, that character appears (though not alone) in the article Vehicle registration plates of Japan, in the table in section Vehicle registration plates of Japan#Transportation offices and markings, in the 'Former markings' column of the entry for 'Saitama, Saitama, Ōmiya'. Of course, traffic in Japan drives on the ~~right~~ left – could it be a Japanese-registered vehicle driving in China? Is the OP certain that the footage was not flipped l-r? [Edited to add: Probably, because – as Lambiam points out below – then the character would also be flipped.] How old is the footage? What colour were the other characters and the background of the plate? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.194.81.165 (talk) 04:36, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think you meant to write that traffic in Japan drives on the left. If the footage is flipped, the character will appear as 玉. --Lambiam 09:20, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You are quite right, Lambiam. I've corrected the former and annotated the latter of my goofs. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.194.81.165 (talk) 18:45, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, I didn't know you could do that. Something to remember next time I mention ABBA. —Tamfang (talk) 20:08, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Could it be Taiwan? --Lambiam 09:36, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

According to Vehicle registration plates of Taiwan, a few special types include Chinese characters, but the one in question does not appear in the article. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.194.81.165 (talk) 18:45, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

September 3

National identities by ethnicity in England (the last)

Hello. A new census was taken in 2021 (the last one at the moment), and the numbers have changed with the majority of people in England alone now tending to describe themselves as more British than English. However, there is no data on ethnic groups (whites etc.) with their national preferences. Has this 'ethnic' census ever been published along with the general census? If yes, where can I find it? I'll send you a link, and in this link are all the ethnic groups with their percentages on national identity, and it's from 2016 in conjunction with the Brexit referendum, maybe it was the last one I think. Again, I'm only referring to ethnic groups, I'm only interested in those. Thank you very much. https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/brexit-national-identity-and-ethnicity-in-the-referendum/ Andreoto (talk) 21:25, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know of any publications, but you can get the data at this link. You'll need to know how to work a spreadsheet. It seems to me that no ethnic group describes themselves as more English than British. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 22:28, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, the vast majority of whites tend to identify themselves as English, as this paper also points out, like the link above, but this pdf is from 2013. https://hummedia.manchester.ac.uk/institutes/code/briefingsupdated/who-feels-british.pdf

According to the data I just looked at and referenced above, that's not currently the case. Looking at only the 'UK'-whites group, which is the most English of the lot, I see 55% British only, and 20% English only. But that's back-of-the-envelope and approximate and I may well be wrong. With changing methodologies and this type of research question, making comparisons over time is always going to be problematic. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 23:14, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See also this recent RefDesk thread which suggested that there is some connection between English nationalism and right wing and/or racist opions - see:

Nationalism, racism, and identity: what connects Englishness to a preference for hard Brexit?

Alansplodge (talk) 10:55, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And to more directly answer the OP's question:

....for ethnic minority participants, Englishness was clearly associated with race or colour (white). Surprisingly, this was not true of either Welsh or Scottish identity, both of which were seen as potentially inclusive and open to diversity.

Citizenship and Belonging: what is Britishness?, The Commission for Racial Equality (CRE), 2005.

Alansplodge (talk) 11:06, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

September 4

Is a conlang usefull as a cypher?

Is a conlang usefull as a cypher or able to work as one?177.207.102.151 (talk) 00:21, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That depends on context, I suppose. Although not a constructed language, Navajo was used in WW2 for example. See Navajo code talkers. In today's world of electronic wizardry, it's unlikely that you'd fool a modern intelligence entity for long, however. -- 136.54.106.120 (talk) 03:51, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My family have occasionally used Esperanto to avoid being understood by others – an ironic inversion of its creator's purpose. —Tamfang (talk) 20:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If some of the undeciphered writing systems are conscripts or conlangs, they are successful for writing. It is doubted if they are gibberish, though. Cants have had a long use as cryptolects. Some have become very well understood, though, --Error (talk) 20:18, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Trivia about the 1960 presidential election

Hello. It is often said that the 1960 presidential elections between Kennedy and Nixon were decided in Illinois and Texas, both of which were won narrowly by the Democratic senator. If they had been won by Nixon it would have been the latter who won the election, and many people claim that fraud was committed in these two states; there was never any clear evidence but I am not interested in delving into that. I am interested in another aspect; with Illinois and Texas Nixon would have won the presidency with 270 Electoral College votes, and since the "quorum" was 269 votes, it would have been a very narrow victory and probably the members of the Electoral College until the actual vote in December I presume, would have felt a bit pressured. I'll throw it out there, since one Oklahoma voter was unfaithful to Nixon anyway, in the event of Nixon's victory, would the 24 Texas voters and 27 Illinois voters have remained loyal by confirming Nixon's victory? Thank you. Andreoto (talk) 13:36, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There are too many hypotheticals in this question (If Nixon had won... Would the electors (not voters) have remained loyal...) for this to be answerable in a meaningful way – any answer would be pure and futile speculation. --Wrongfilter (talk) 15:37, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note also that the slates of electors in each State are selected for each presidential/vice presidential ticket by the corresponding party, who will attempt to select trusted party members. I think this was also the procedure in 1960. There have been faithless electors through the centuries, but it has remained a somewhat rare phenomenon. --Lambiam 16:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

see unpledged elector#1960. fiveby(zero) 19:41, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

September 5

Venetian island

In the Venetian lagoon, directly above Castello at around 45°26′28″N 12°21′23″E / 45.441039°N 12.356454°E / 45.441039; 12.356454, there is an "island", or at least a couple islands in a patch of wetland that probably gets submerged at high tide.

This island is not given a name in any maps of Venice I have seen, official or unofficial, other than in a Navionics chart (found here) where it is labelled as "B Marani H", although I suspect this has more to do with its proximity to the Canale dei Marani.

Moreover, this island appears to be artificial; no maps prior to 2007 have the island existing, and Google Earth has no traces of the island in and prior to September 2007, until its (very defined) outline appears in the April 2010 satellite imagery. Note that although the outline has not changed, the features of the island appear to be constantly shifting, probably thanks to natural lagoon movements.

I have pursued the possibility that it has to do with MOSE, headquartered directly south near the Venetian Arsenal, but as I am unable to read Italian, I have made little headway. As such, I was wondering two primary questions:

1. Does this island have a name?

2. Why was it constructed?

151.198.1.205 (talk) 01:46, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It ought to be be in the intersection of Category:Islands of the Venetian Lagoon and Category:Artificial islands of Italy, but the only member of that intersection is Tronchetto, located at the other end of Venice, to the west. The new island is remarkably close to the current location of the MOSE control centre (see MOSE § Venice Arsenal), from which it is separated by only a 170 m-wide channel, and has a comparable size, so perhaps (speculation alert) the idea is to relocate the control centre to the new island once MOSE is fully operational. --Lambiam 12:49, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Google Maps[1] has the island tagged with "Unione Sportiva Carmini Venezia", the name of a local Basketball Team: [2]. I find it hard to believe they have any kind of facility on said island. --Jayron 32 16:29, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In Google Street View it seems to be nothing more than a sand bank [3]. --Wrongfilter (talk) 16:36, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That might explain why it doesn't have a name. As a low-lying, likely ephemeral sandbank, it may not have a formal name. --Jayron 32 16:50, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that it seems likely that the island doesn't have a formal name; a large portion of the islands in the Venetian lagoon have no name, and even when islands do have names, there is no consistent scheme for naming (for example, plenty of "islands", like Burano, are actually multiple islands grouped together.) The main reason why I'm interested in this island, however, is that judging by the solid, static outline, it seems that the island was explicitly constructed and not merely ephemeral. Without an explicit reason given for its construction, and with very little development after its initial appearance between 2007 and 2010, however, I'm still baffled as to what it could be, although I am pursuing Lambiam's speculatory angle further. 151.198.1.205 (talk) 17:06, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If it were constructed, it could be a Breakwater of some sort, perhaps as a form of erosion control. After all, Venice is particularly susceptible to such problems, given its unique geography. --Jayron 32 17:17, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's a fairly protected area of the lagoon, though, and an unlikely place for a breakwater. I just noticed that the street view images are from 2013, whereas the satellite images are from 2023 and show quite a bit of vegetation on the northeastern portion. Anyway, I have a few vacation days left, so if you pay for a trip to Venice I'll ask around. No? Okay... --Wrongfilter (talk) 17:25, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Given the vegetation, I wonder if the island might have at least some use for wildlife, particularly the flamingos that often winter in the lagoon? 151.198.1.205 (talk) 17:37, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at arial views of Venice circa 1990, you will see that the island was barely visible. At that time, they were experimenting with dredging. In 1995, they went into a large-scale multi-year dredging project. You can look at arial views in 1995, 1996, 1997, etc... and see the island grow dramatically. Therefore, I feel that it is likely the result of dredge dumping. This is not abnormal. When a waterway is dredged, the material has to be dumped somewhere. In Charleston, SC, there is an island often called "Drum Island" that is not actually an island at all. It is a dredge dumping location that was built up over time. It has the same appearance which is created by going over the island with bulldozers to evenly distribute new dredge that is dumped. 12.116.29.106 (talk) 17:26, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dredging does sound like a very likely explanation. Would you happen to have a place where I might be able to see the aerial photos? Google Earth unfortunately has a large gap in satellite imagery between 1985 and 2003. Thanks! 151.198.1.205 (talk) 17:35, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a comparison between images from 2000 and 2013 [4]. The appearance of all those islands east of Murano is astonishing, are those also new? --Wrongfilter (talk) 17:38, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting, I've never noticed that before. It definitely appears that those islands are also all new, with their appearance on Google Earth satellite being in the same 2007-2010 gap. Given those islands' distance from MOSE, I'm inclined now to believe that the dredging theory is likely, and that proximity to MOSE might either be a coincidental byproduct, or an intentional commandeering of dredged materials for some as-yet-unknown purpose. 151.198.1.205 (talk) 17:44, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This archived project page details a 2009-11 dredging project, where apparently the dredged soil was to be evaluated for contamination and disposed of accordingly. Three disposal locations are listed: Isola delle Tresse, Molo Sali, and the Moranzani Plants. Based on satellite imagery, it does seem that Isola delle Tresse underwent an expansion, just like the islands mentioned earlier, between 2007 and 2010. I'm not entirely sure where Molo Sali is, other than "along the western bank of the North Industrial Canal." Meanwhile, while Moranzani can be easily found, the eponymous plants are not identified. If there was excess sediment from this dredging project, it's possible, given the timeline, that the new islands were a product of these. 151.198.1.205 (talk) 18:02, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Molo Sali appears to be in the modern port area. An unused part of a canal appears to have been dammed off between 2004 and 2006 (according to Google's aerial images) and some material has been dumped there, but it isn't anywhere near full. South of Moranzani some wetlands have been dammed off around the same time, but it doesn't look like anything has been dumped there. Isola delle Tresse has been greatly expanded and appears to be well above sea level. That makes sense. This dredge material is often contaminated so you don't want it to be washed away. And even if not contaminated, you don't want it to be washed back to where it came from.

The new, artificial islands near the centre of Venezia are very low. On some of Google's images they are flooded. It might be nature redevelopment. Or it could be to manage the flow of water in the laguna, improving water quality. By making the new islands very low, this can be done without increasing water level during storm surges. Or both at the same time. Somebody locally familiar might know more. PiusImpavidus (talk) 19:59, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Big thank you to everyone who's commented here for their help, I think I've figured it out, and the answer was apparently right under my nose this whole time. In addition to their work on anti-flood systems, MOSE also works on habitat protection and reconstruction. In photo 36, you can see the island, and the caption indicates that it was constructed for that project. Based on the other photos, it was likely made with dredged sediment, although I'm not sure exactly from where the sediment was dredged. 151.198.1.205 (talk) 22:38, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Linking to Spotify

I’m reviewing an article that uses a link to a Spotify discography as a reference. The person who added the link is in the UK, while I’m in the US. The link doesn’t work for me. Is there a way to share links to Spotify discographies that are region neutral so everyone can access them? Viriditas (talk) 21:40, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Depending on how it was generated (on which I have no idea), a Spotify discography may not be a reliable source. --Viennese Waltz 06:08, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I’m glad you brought that up. What about for basic WP:BLUESKY information? I would like to think that a Spotify discography page would be reliable for this kind of basic data. Viriditas (talk) 10:34, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If this is about the piri discography, it works for me from both US-based and EU-based IP addresses, but the archived links do not work. --Lambiam 08:51, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Yes, the live link works great on desktop, but doesn’t work on mobile (iPhone). This is odd to me, as I’ve never had this problem before. Can you run a mobile emulator? Viriditas (talk) 10:34, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

On mobile Spotify sends me to the home page and wants me to get the app; it does not open up the discography page. --Lambiam 11:26, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I have the app and it just gives me an error message. Viriditas (talk) 11:35, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

September 6

Skateboard-like riding toy

Back in my childhood children sometimes made rectangular or square wooden low-raised platforms on wheels to ride. One guy was usually riding in sitting position, while another powered it by pushing from behind. Those looked like something between skateboard and luge, kind of a summer variant of sleds. Was it a thing elsewhere and does it have a name, if any? 212.180.235.46 (talk) 20:41, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Milk crate scooter? --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 21:06, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If they're what we destroyed our fingers with by rolling over them in gym class...I thought they were just called floor scooters. --Onorem (talk) 21:08, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Soap-box cart.-gadfium 21:26, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Go-cart? Martin of Sheffield (talk) 21:40, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

They were not powered and basically just a square board on four (roller-skate? shopping-cart?) wheels. I think they could also be pulled rather than pushed. Usually there was no way to steer them, although I have a dim memory of having seen steerable ones (perhaps in Belgium) of a downhill race with steering with a rope attached to a front axle rotating on a central pivot. If they had a name, I either did not hear it used or forgot it. Compare also the pull cart that is the preferred mode of transportation of Calvin and Hobbes --Lambiam 22:18, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'd go with children's pushcart. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:35, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In Britain a go-cart does not need to be powered. OED Noun 5: "Originally and chiefly British. A light cart, designed esp. to be ridden by children, typically built at home from recycled objects such as wooden crates, pram or bicycle wheels, etc., and usually propelled by the action of gravity." DuncanHill (talk) 23:39, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a picture of a go-cart. DuncanHill (talk) 01:24, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Like a flexy racer or like a furniture dolly? For some reason if it's got swivel wheels i call it a coaster but don't know why. fiveby(zero) 00:17, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A post for Jenkem Magazine says "coaster toy", and points to a New York Times article from 1893 which calls for prompt confiscation to avert fatalities. fiveby(zero) 03:40, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What the OP describes – a flat bed on four castored wheels – is the most basic form of the Flatbed trolley, long used in warehousing, delivery and other industries for moving goods. Although more advanced constructions are now more common, I myself have seen, and have used, this basic form in workplaces, and would call it a dolly. Doubtless children copying or independently inventing this device have come up with a variety of their own names for it. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.194.81.165 (talk) 05:00, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

World Trade Center elevators

On the World Trade Center (1973-2001) page, there is nothing that mentions the elevators and which floors they went to. Could someone please tell me the elevator banks? I've been searching for a month with no success. Stickmanzero (talk) 23:00, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There were 198 elevators, 99 for each tower. This USA Today article states that:

"Passengers took non-stop express elevators from the ground floor to elevator lobbies on the 44th and 78th floors. There, they walked across a hall to smaller local elevators that went to higher floors."

"Each tower had only two passenger elevators that went non-stop from bottom to top — to the Windows on the World restaurant in the north tower and the observation deck in the south tower." Clarityfiend (talk) 23:42, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This article has a diagram showing the different types of elevators and what range of floors they served, as well as several paragraphs describing the "completely different system for the huge towers". Clarityfiend (talk) 23:45, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikimedia Commons has this two-part diagram, which shows not only the range of floors, but ~~what looks like the actual number~~ the arrangement of express vs local elevators per floor. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:54, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

September 7

What's the furthest possible domestic call?

By great circle distance. Can landlines or cellphones in say France call ~10,000 miles away parts of France with basic plans and no extra charges or minute limits? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 01:54, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What parts of France are 10,000 miles away from France? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 04:15, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

French Polynesia? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 04:33, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

To enlarge; what other countries might call colonies or overseas territories, France deems part of itself with equal administrative status to regions of Metropolitan France (the part in Europe). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.194.81.165 (talk) 05:04, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::French Polynesia? [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 04:33, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
-:::To enlarge; what other countries might call colonies or overseas territories, France deems part of itself with equal administrative status to regions of [[Metropolitan France]] (the part in Europe). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/51.194.81.165|51.194.81.165]] ([[User talk:51.194.81.165|talk]]) 05:04, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
+:::To enlarge; what other countries might call colonies or overseas territories, France deems part of itself with equal administrative status to [[Regions of France|regions]] of [[Metropolitan France]] (the part in Europe). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/51.194.81.165|51.194.81.165]] ([[User talk:51.194.81.165|talk]]) 05:04, 7 September 2023 (UTC)