Talk:Kanye West

Identifying as a Nazi

The sources linked to validate Ye's made up Nazi identification don't share any direct quotes about him saying he identifies as a Nazi, and thus should be deleted along with the false statement, just because someone says something in an article doesn't mean it's more credible than reality, never in the whole Alex Jones interview did Ye say he identified as a Nazi. 5.28.177.100 (talk) 18:15, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Kanye West praises Hitler, calls himself a Nazi in unhinged interview – Muboshgu (talk) 18:21, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Here is the excerpt from the interview posted to Twitter. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 18:31, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Clearly he doesn't mean it literally but instead he's making a point about the accusations labeled against him 141.226.9.91 (talk) 19:52, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Moving the goalposts, I see. First, he didn't say it at all, now he said it but only to "make a point"? It's not up to us to interpret primary sources. We leave that to RS. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 20:04, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

If someone said to me "I am a Nazi", I would take them at their word. (And get away from them as fast as possible.) The reliable sources are taking him at his word. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:15, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

If someone with a very public history of mental illness, including paranoid delusions, who just went through a divorce and a few years ago changed his name because In the Bible it means 'you'. So, I'm you. I'm us. It's us. said Every human being has value that they brought to the table, especially Hitler. then said he liked Hitler and was a Nazi while wearing a skintight black mask talking to Alex Jones and Nick Fuentes I probably wouldn't take their word for it. I would probably look back at their history and hope they get the help they need.

We're likely watching someone have yet another public breakdown, and rushing to categorize them as a Nazi. There is no excuse for his antisemitism, or really anything he's been doing, but to take his words to mean that he identifies as and follows the beliefs of actual Nazis to the point of a defining characteristic for categorization seems amiss. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:18, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Frankly, all of this is beside the point. West's mental health issues are documented in the article, and I trust readers to draw their own conclusions about the gravity of his words. The mere fact that West uttered the words "I'm a Nazi" and the resulting coverage thereof makes this notable. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 01:09, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

I'm speaking more towards the categorization that had been added. Inclusion in the article clearly due with the amount of coverage it's garnered, but I'm less sure about WP:CATDEF. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:18, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

I totally agree with you there, his identification as a Nazi is clearly not (yet) a defining characteristic of his per WP:COPDEF. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 01:21, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

May I ask how this doesn't meet the code of defining trait, but all his other political affiliations do? He's got several political categorizations, and his Neo-Nazism isn't a one-off thing. It isn't like he made a poor choice comment and then said nothing else of relevance on the subject, he's repeatedly spouted antisemitic talking points and called himself a Nazi. In the Alex Jones interview, Jones repeatedly tried to get him to not identify as a Nazi, and then kept insisting on it. Docktuh (talk) 04:14, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

I hope I am allowed to say this, but I totally agree with User:ScottishFinnishRadish. 47.232.88.19 (talk) 16:17, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, that’s exactly what it seems like to me. “I’m a Nazi, now what?” Is 100x more likely to be him making a point than it is a declaration of any kind. Sethafterdark (talk) 05:31, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

He's very obviously cut off in that clip. I don't know if he's actually self-identified as a Nazi elsewhere, and he certainly ticks most of the boxes for being labelled a neo-Nazi, but this isn't a self-identification. It hurts the trustworthiness of Wikipedia to mention it as such. -- Antondimak (talk) 20:41, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

We're not supporting the claim with that little snippet in the article. The editor asked for a direct quote from the interview, and I gave it to them. Times of Israel and Vanity Fair, both reputable publications, are used to support the claim in the article. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 20:53, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

He literally said on Alex Jones' show "I am a Nazi". And you say this isn't a self-identification and think that our "trustworthiness" is harmed by including that he literally said "I am a Nazi"? Wikipedia reflects the reliable sources that note that he went on Alex Jones' show and said "I am a Nazi". – Muboshgu (talk) 21:00, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

"unhinged" is a personal opinion, not fact. Don't put opinions on wikipedia.

311 needs correcting. It's the FIFTH commandment, not the 6th. 98.123.126.45 (talk) 05:45, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

@Throast: what more could WP possibly want for him to be labelled a bona fide Nazi sympathizer? Does he have to be caught in the act doing the Nazi salute, or make a song humanizing Hitler as a misunderstood good guy with a temper tantrum like himself? I don't get it; reliable sources agree that he made those remark off his own accord. Quite frankly, this attempt in finding nuance behind his nasty remarks belongs to social media forums. I agree with Muboshgu. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 12:22, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Nineteen Ninety-Four guy, I didn't comment on the fact that he cannot be labeled as a Nazi, I'm commenting on categorization. In order for a person to be categorized as a Nazi on Wikipedia, their Nazism has to be a defining characteristic (WP:COPDEF). That's a pretty high standard, and I don't think it's met (yet) in this case. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 12:26, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Reverted the recent addition of the category American neo-Nazi's on that basis. nableezy - 05:53, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Also, which source exactly says Kanye identified as a Nazi? I see the Times of Israel says that, but I cant see any other sources doing so, and the closest thing I can find to a transcript here doesnt seem to have him saying that. It certainly has him praising Hitler and veering in to Holocaust denial, but where does he actually "identify as a Nazi"? Surely there is something more than a twitter video from an unverified account with 1033 followers to prove that he said this? nableezy - 05:59, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

If nobody has anything better than the single Times of Israel piece that makes a claim that no other source makes about an extremely widely covered interview then I am going to remove the identified as a Nazi bit. That is an extraordinary claim, this is a BLP, and that requires extraordinary sourcing. nableezy - 16:12, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

The Newsweek article obviously isn't a full transcript, so I'm not sure what's the relevance there. The "I'm a Nazi" quote even made the headline in this Vanity Fair article. I wouldn't call it an extraordinary claim because it's not really a claim in the first place. It's reporting on his own words; no opinion or analysis added.

I agree with your removal of the category per my reasons above. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 16:06, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

I think the Nazi label should be removed as he only said it once during an interview to prove a point rather than a consistent thing he has identified himself as. He is an African American male for gods sake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.109.64.38 (talk) 00:09, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

To prove what point? The only point I think he proved is that he self-identified as a Nazi. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:01, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

I think the problem here is not that it's not true, just that it's misleading to readers who are trying to find out about Kanye West. To read "later publicly praised Adolf Hitler... and identified as a Nazi" in the lead suggests he's known for being a Nazi-activist, despite this being a lone comment in a flippant context (Kanye states in the interview he's making a point nothing would ultimately happen to him if he courts controversy). Soapwort (talk) 00:31, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

I think people are reading into it too much. Publicly identifying as a Nazi only means as much; I wouldn't infer from that sentence alone that he's "known for being a Nazi activist". You seem to suggest that him "flippantly" proclaiming to be a Nazi to "make a point" takes away from said proclamation. It's not like the statement was made in isolation. We know that he's sympathized with Hitler for years. We know that he's associated himself with white supremacists and neo-Nazi sympathizers. He's denied the holocaust. He started and led an antisemitic hate campaign. Doesn't seem that far-fetched in context, and the RS we cite seem to agree. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 01:39, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

You seem to suggest that him "flippantly" proclaiming to be a Nazi to "make a point" takes away from said proclamation.

@Throast: Why the scare quotes? This is just what he's said.

It's not like the statement was made in isolation. We know that he's sympathized with Hitler for years. We know that he's associated himself with white supremacists and neo-Nazi sympathizers.

Yup, which is why Alex Jones states the media is calling him a Nazi, and prompts him to make the flippant remark doubling down. Kanye has made controversial comments like these constantly (his career was launched this way) and is famously bipolar. Nietzsche notably went insane at the end of his life, is it worth putting in his lead he claimed to be Dionysus?

I'm not saying this particular controversy about anti-semitism isn't notable, it is and should be included in the lead (particularly the holocaust denial, which he's made repeated sincere comments about). However, giving the reader the impression he claimed to sincerely be a neo-Nazi to follow the clickbait wording of references here is misleading. Soapwort (talk) 08:32, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Append 'Controversial Opinions' to include recent instagram post

He currently has only one post on his instagram: the 21 Jump Street movie poster with a caption reading

"Watching Jonah Hill in 21 Jump street made me like Jewish people again

No one should take anger against one or two individuals and transform that into hatred towards millions of innocent people

No Christian can be labeled antisemite knowing Jesus is Jew

Thank you Jonah Hill I love you" [1]

As far as I'm aware, as of March 25 2023 this is his most current opinion. I feel a mention of it is appropriate to add. Adding this to the talk page because this was added then reverted by @Zaathras:. GuessAndCheck (talk) 01:38, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Like Trump, not every word that drips-drip-drips from Kanye's mouth is noteworthy. Zaathras (talk) 03:50, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

That's very fair. Definitely a non-zero chance he'll delete that and post nazi stuff tomorrow because he watched a bad Adam Sandler Movie. GuessAndCheck (talk) 04:13, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

I find it wrong to say such a thing when the same could be said about Mr. West's horrid anti-semetic comments. In fact, that has happened when he watched 21 Jump Street. (Thank you Jonah Hill for saving rap.) The Radioactive Box (talk) 02:15, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

West declaring that a movie changed his mind about Jews on Instagram doesn't quite weigh as heavy as having a private, year-long history of sympathizing with Hitler, followed by a public, month-long, antisemitic tirade that had massive (and unprecedented) ramifications for his career and resulted in a measurable increase in antisemitic hate crimes. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 07:36, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Still think it should be mentioned, as said it is his most recent opinion so these should at least be a small notice mentioning the Instagram post. Just because it doesn't weigh as heavy doesn't mean it's not accurate information about what we can assume are West's current beliefs Raguzz (talk) 19:20, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is limited in that it does not cover everything, even if verifiable. My point is that all of the rhetoric that preceded his "enlightenment" (if that's what you want to call that ridiculous Instagram post) completely outweighs the latter. Go ahead and add it to Views of Kanye West if you must; I don't yet see a justification to include it here until there is some sort of significant elaboration on how his views about Jews have changed. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 21:55, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Merger proposal

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I propose merging Kanye West 2024 presidential campaign into Kanye West and leaving behind a redirect. I think that the content in the campaign can easily be explained within the biographical article for the foreseeable future, and a merger would not cause any article-size or weighting problems in the candidate’s main article. It is not clear whether the campaign will obtain enough note down the road to warrant its own article, but it is not useful to have a stub article at this moment. I am not opposed to a future spinning-off/re-creation of the campaign article if there later becomes sufficiently more to write about the campaign, but for now I believe the stub-article on the campaign serves no use and there is not enough to expand the article beyond what is now contained in it. I am in the process of making similar requests for some other 2024 campaign articles. SecretName101 (talk) 16:03, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Update: a popular alternative proposal that is arising is to instead merge the 2020 and 2024 campaign articles into a singular article. Such an article could have a scope solely on his presidential campaigns (Presidential campaigns of Kanye West) or a broader scope covering the entirety of his political activities. So commenters, it’d be appreciated if you give stances/feedback on BOTH proposals (merging with the main biography and merging with the other campaign article). You can 1) oppose both, and stand in sole support of a stand-alone article for the 2024 campaign 2) Support either merger option (perhaps with a stated preference for one over the other) or 3) support only one of the merger options. Thank you SecretName101 (talk) 16:51, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

• Support per rationale of SecretName101, with no prejudice against restoring the article should significant coverage of West's campaign increase enough to warrant it. A. Randomdude0000 (talk) 17:00, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
• Support per SecretName101 and A. Randomdude0000. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 17:55, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
• Support per above. Should it become notable on its own terms, it can absolutely become its own separate article again. For now, however, it doesn't seem to be widely reported enough to merit its own page. JeffSpaceman (talk) 14:08, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
• I think merging to Kanye West 2020 presidential campaign and optionally renaming that to Kanye West presidential campaigns, might be a better choice. I also disagree calling current version of 2024 campaign a stub. WikiVirusC^(talk) 15:47, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

  I would be okay with merging both campaign pages into Kanye West presidential campaigns. A reasonable suggestion. IMO. A. Randomdude0000 (talk) 16:45, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

  Political career of Kanye West would be an alternative title you could use that expands the scope to his overall politics, perhaps spinning-off most or all of this main page's political positions section along with it. SecretName101 (talk) 17:41, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Not sure if there is much of a "career" to speak of outside of his two presidential campaigns, so I think Kanye West presidential campaigns would be the better option if contents are merged into a new article. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 15:23, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

I also agree it might make sense to merge with his 2020 campaign page. There's a good chance there will be more developments in the coming months with his 2024 campaign, such that it will deserve more space than a small section in his overall Kanye West page. If it's just in his overall biography, it might end up being too large of a section within months, meaning we'll have to revisit this very soon. If the campaign ends up falling apart, eventually this merger into Kanye West might make sense. Glenn984 (talk) 15:08, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

• Support, this would follow similar precedents set by Michael Bennet 2020 presidential campaign, John Hickenlooper 2020 presidential campaign, and Tim Ryan 2020 presidential campaign with the option of de-merging the article should it become necessary later down the road. --Woko Sapien (talk) 20:15, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose, the campaign is an independently notable and well-sourced legal entity, with aspects that are not appropriate for inclusion in an individual biography. I would, however, support the alternate proposal to merge the two campaigns into an article along the lines of Political activities of Kanye West. BD2412 T 20:51, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
• Support; currently coverage is insufficiently distinct from coverage of Kayne itself. Note that many sources in that article (especially the massive political positions list, which makes up most of its text) are from prior to his campaign even being announced and therefore make no mention of it, which also raises WP:SYNTH / WP:OR concerns when placed in the context of an article about his campaign. I'm not seeing anything in there that would be inappropriate for an individual biography, WP:DUE permitting; and the stuff that is undue for here (ie. synth-y implications made by using his otherwise not-very-due prior statements in the context of an article about his political campaign) is probably not due anywhere. --Aquillion (talk) 23:06, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
• Support the merge Kanye West presidential campaigns, that is a great idea. These aren't real political campaigns, there's not much to say differently from 2020 to 2024 about his "positions" on issues and such, there will only be some slight variations regarding announcements, "endorsements" and such. Roll it all into one. Zaathras (talk) 01:30, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

  Support this Iamreallygoodatcheckers ^talk 07:10, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

• Support. If there's significant coverage for the topic itself as a campaign moving forward, outside of routine coverage of West's personal views, it can easily be reinstated. Lapadite (talk) 04:09, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

• Support; If the campaign ends up similar to his 2020 one, then it will eventually warrant an article; in the meantime, however, it should probably be put into either its section at the Kanye West article or possibly merged into the bottom of Kanye West 2020 presidential campaign without changing the title. OfTheUsername (talk) 16:37, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
• Support. I think this campaign will eventually be notable enough to get a separate article, just not now. Most sources are really just discussing Kanye rather than the campaign (probably because it was not officially announced) EDIT (August 11). I'd also support a merger to a Presidential campaigns of Kanye West type article. ULPS (talk) 20:05, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
• Support Neither an exploratory committee nor Federal Election Commission filing exist as of June 2023. this isn't a presidential campaign, it is an eccentric celebrity who talked about a potential 2024 presidential campaign during his (actual but minimally-impactful) 2020 presidential campaign. The entire article is repeating coverage of his last campaign. Perhaps there will be something for a separate article in the future, but there is no sign of that now. Walt Yoder (talk) 23:50, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
• Support - A pointless article given everything's based on comments made in 2020. No objections to "un-merging" if and when he makes recent comments and that there's clear notability. –Davey2010^Talk 00:04, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose the merger as proposed, but would support a merger of West's campaigns into a single article, like Lyndon LaRouche U.S. presidential campaigns.--Molandfreak (talk, contribs, email) 23:54, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. Just keep it here his wiki page is pretty long already. 24.101.240.74 (talk) 15:27, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
• Support. The article in its current state is not notable and broad enough to continue being a separate article. It should be merged for now, and can unmerged when/if the topic gains independent notability with adequate developments in the story.

ℛonherry☘ 11:45, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - This political campaign has received substantial coverage and is notable, even if it is a minor campaign compared to those coming from other parties. Even if it doesn't deserve an independent article, a merger of this article and the Kanye West 2020 presidential campaign into a single "Kanye West U.S. presidential campaigns" could be viable. AmericanBaath (talk) 05:00, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

  I like the idea of merging the 2024 article with the 2020 one to form "Kanye West U.S. presidential campaigns" . ℛonherry☘ 06:53, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

  If these are merged into something link Kanye West U.S. presidential campaigns, they can always be broken back out if the 2024 campaign turns out to be anything on the level of the 2020 campaign. BD2412 T 16:25, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

• Support. Definitely would be better merged. Professor Penguino (talk) 04:38, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Support Politicdude (talk) 17:44, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose, I stand with everything BD2412 said. shelovesneo (talk) 13:07, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

  @Shelovesneo: just for clarity, you do literally mean EVERYTHING they said, including that you would also support the alternative proposal of merging the two presidential campaign articles into a singular article (separate from the main biographic article), correct? SecretName101 (talk) 16:37, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

• Just for a bit of commentary, it appears the primary two camps are those that support a merge point blank, and those who would only support a merge if it were with the 2020 presidential campaign article (but stand opposed to merging it with the biography article). There appears to also be a minority camp (at a cursory look, two contributors) who either point-blank oppose any merger (or who at least voiced opposition to the primary proposal without commenting on the alternative proposal). SecretName101 (talk) 16:44, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose merging with Kanye West, but a strong support for merging the presidential campaign articles together. I think Kanye West presidential campaigns would work well enough, but I'm a big fan of BD2412's broader "Political activities of Kanye West" suggestion. That gives us some future-proofing, and we can always break the article out down the line if needed. Sock (tock talk) 13:34, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose merger into Kanye West, but support Political activities of Kanye West. I echo the reasoning from above. This new article can cover everything he's done politically, and I think frankly he has become much more than a rapper, even if it's for morally the wrong reasons. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 17:46, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

casualdejekyll 20:34, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

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Adding instagram apology

Should we add his "recent" apology on Instagram? Seems like kind of a big event for the community anyway. Could be added at the tail end of the article. NezzNH (talk) 09:36, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

See Talk:Kanye West#Append 'Controversial Opinions' to include recent instagram post. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 11:07, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Bianca

Bianca should be added as a partner in Kanye's quick facts because they are married, although not legally, and she may even be pregnant with his child. 2600:1700:7E31:4510:EDBB:303F:2034:BC1C (talk) 16:04, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

You can't be not legally married. Marriage is a legal concept. See also various discussions about this above. Any reliable sources for the last claim? Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 17:36, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Name change - Ye

His legal name is, Ye. Why is the article still Kanye? Elliot Page wiki was changed, as well as others. Why not Ye? AOC2044 (talk) 18:23, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Consensus is to keep "Kanye West". See Talk:Kanye West/Archive 10#Name change?. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 18:37, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Unbanning on Twitter

On july 29th twitter under orders by elon musk unbanned kanye omari west's account, thus i think this should be added 156.195.232.101 (talk) 17:42, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

 Done.Cortador (talk) 21:45, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 July 2023

The person who kanye is it is no longer kim kardashian DGoyeneche (talk) 01:44, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. What? Cannolis (talk) 01:58, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Change Adidas Yeezy to Yeezy LLC

If someone can change Adidas Yeezy in the introduction part of the organizations section to Yeezy LLC (no page made yet) that would be great. Adidas Yeezy was the collab between Ye and Adidas. Yeezy LLC is Kanye's very own company and should be on his wiki page. Thank you PolishGeico (talk) 21:44, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Well, the section doesn't discuss the standalone company, so that wouldn't make much sense. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 22:06, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Well the section says Yeezy (formerly), should be an easy change to just say Yeezy LLC and then you can put like a footnote or something just like how Ye has (a) attached to it. PolishGeico (talk) 00:41, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

It refers to the Adidas collaboration, which, while sharing the same name, is a completely different thing. If you'd like to add information about the standalone company, it can be linked of course. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 10:24, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes I would like to do that if that's possible, how do I get approved to edit? PolishGeico (talk) 19:44, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

If you're unable to edit the article directly, you can make an edit request by clicking the 'edit' button on the article page and following the instructions at the top. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 03:17, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Entire discography in lead section

The lead section of this persons biography should be a summary of who he is. Presently are presenting almost his entire body of work in the lead section. This is not the case for popular musical artists such as Paul McCartney, Jay-z, or George Strait. I suggest we keep his body of work in the appropriate section and only use the lead to summarize the artist more succinctly. 2600:4041:5872:C500:B8B6:CA25:AF8B:E548 (talk) 15:50, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

I tend to agree. What do you suggest should be removed exactly? Everything in the first paragraph starting at Born in Atlanta...? Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 17:17, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

I think the sentence starting “With intent on starting…” and everything beyond that should be removed and reallocated to his discography and biography sections as these are superfluous details and fall under too much detail for the lead section. 2600:4041:5872:C500:F061:56A2:566E:DBC3 (talk) 21:40, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Sorry that’s “with intent on pursuing” not starting. 2600:4041:5872:C500:F061:56A2:566E:DBC3 (talk) 21:41, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Removing that part while keeping the bit about the beginning of his career would look weird. It would either have to be rewritten or removed altogether. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 20:01, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Velatio in Fenice

• https://euro.eseuro.com/lifestyle/919617.html
• https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/breaking-kanye-west-exposes-bare-30808190
• https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/celebrities/2023/08/30/64ee852be2704e58778b45bd.html
• https://www.perthnow.com.au/entertainment/celebrity/kanye-west-photographed-with-pants-down-in-apparent-lewd-act-as-italians-call-for-his-arrest-c-11746299

Just another scandalous low level: West dropped his pants, exposed bare bum, while girlfriend Censori kneeling before him practicing *ral six, in full view of many people, in the picturesque canals of Venice. 87.170.202.236 (talk) 06:11, 30 August 2023 (UTC)