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October 25

Final Fantasy 1 and 2 dawn of souls-where to download

Where do i download final fantasy 1+2 dawn of souls for the Game Boy Advance? I've looked like crazy, but no luck... PLEASE HELP!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Monkeyballs12345 (talk • contribs) 00:41, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

You probably won't find much help here on the Reference Desk for pirating software that's easily available for purchase. 69.95.50.15 18:05, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Mad world GoW

anyone know where I could find a version of the Gears of War commercial featuring mad world that I can watch without downloading? --MKnight9989 14:31, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

I hope this isn't a silly answer but that commercial is on my favorites list on youtube. No need to download anything (with the possible exception of updating your Flash player). Just search for it on youtube.com Sappysap 15:18, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks mate. Helps a bunch.--MKnight9989 12:02, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Comic book software

Is there any specific programs comic artists use to create comic book art? I've seen a few comics recently that have perfect dashed lines for shadows, in a very distinctive style. The artists were different, and the art looks digitally drawn... so the thought occurred me. Anyone knows of anything like this? Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.15.96.17 (talk) 16:21, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Read Scott McCloud's "Making Comics" for a better explination, but artists use Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, pretty much everything is helpful from simple to complete tasks. Especially when using a digital pen tab. Beekone 18:05, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

October 27

Null day

Nothing entertaining today! hydnjo talk 00:19, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

movies

why do most of the movies are released on friday? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Betaji007 (talk • contribs) 06:08, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Because it gets people into the theaters on a day when they're most likely going out anyway. Also, if it were released on, for example, a Monday, then your friends or someone you work with may have seen it and told you it was no good. So by releasing it on Friday, you might just go see it based solely on what commercials you've seen for it or trailers that you saw before other movies. Then they theater and the movie producers make their money even if you don't like it. Dismas|^(talk) 16:13, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Interesting that you chose the negative problems of a Monday release. Potentially you could have people who saw it on Monday, come to work and bang on about it all day inspiring others to go...Of course the first part is surely correct, it must be to get the weekend-crowd. ny156uk 23:26, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

High definition tv

I am told that HDTV needs to be specially hard wired. From what to what, I wonder? - Kittybrewster ☎ 13:29, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

In what context? HD signals tend to use different cable to the TV (technically, the monitor), either component video or HDMI. That said, HD via cable still runs over standard coaxial cable. If you've got an HDTV with an HD tuner (as opposed to a tunerless monitor), there's no technical reason that you couldn't go straight into the TV with the cable as is the norm with standard def. In practice, however, HD tends to run through some intermediate box. The primary exception to this, interestingly enough, further discredits the need for special hardwiring: HD signals can be received over the air via antenna (granted, an antenna for that frequency band is needed, but that's the case for any antenna setup) -- no hardwiring at all! — Lomn 13:08, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

It's worth adding on the antenna issue, that the frequency in the US is in the same range as analog TV so you do not need a special HDTV antenna to receive digital signals. Donald Hosek 19:09, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

NaRuTo ???????

Where to watch NaRuTo or NaRuTo shippuden???? THANKS IN ADVANCE Sangeeth —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sangeeth (talk • contribs) 19:53, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

That depends... what country are you in? Where I live, in the United States, according to this, I could watch it on Cartoon Network on Saturdays at 9. Say, that's today! Too bad I don't have cable. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:27, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

And from the looks of it, there are still a few hundred episodes, plus a movie or two, that haven't seen English broadcast yet, that they need to get through before they start on Shippuden. Confusing Manifestation 03:17, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

YouTube.

Zeitgeist movie

Everybody keeps talking about a movie called Zeitgeist but i don't see an article about it on wikipedia. what is going on? Was it deleted for some strange reason?--Sonjaaa 20:32, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Here's a lengthy AfD discussion, if you're interested. And this may or may not be the article - it's in someone's user space: User:Iulian28ti/Desk/Zeitgeist Movie Project. --Joelmills 21:09, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

How do we get it undeleted? It seems to be an important film or phenomenon, but I would like to read a Wikipedia NPOV article about the film before I decide if I want to view the film.--Sonjaaa 22:04, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Considering the AfD discussion, the article that was deleted probably failed to achieve NPOV. Apparently it has been repeatedly added and deleted as a "Self-published internet movie with no assertion of notability whatsoever, no reliable sources, no mainstream media attention, etc", but the film makers insist it is quite important. Also see Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted? for more info on the deletion process.

If you are still interested, you can search Google Video for "Zeitgeist the Movie" and watch the thing online, along with other self-produced 9/11 speculations. / edg ☺ ★ 22:14, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

October 28

1970's TV Show

What is the name of the 1970's TV show that featured teen aged twin sisters? I think they were living with their aunt. The show went off the air for a while and returned with the sisters playing opposite roles.68.217.126.32 02:30, 28 October 2007 (UTC)Jan T68.217.126.32 02:30, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

That would be Double Trouble, starring Jean and Liz Sagal (twin sisters of Katey Sagal of Married with Children and Futurama fame. --Canley 13:25, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Music box.

I'm making my wife a music box - using a $15 mechanism made by Kikkerland that reads music from a punched paper tape so you can put your own music on the thing. I'm going to carve a nice box for it...all very tasteful. This is all fine and good - but there are some serious restrictions imposed by the mechanism.

1. It only has two octaves of notes.
2. If can only play in the key of C with no flats or sharps. (ie anything you could play on a piano without touching the black notes).
3. It can't play two conseutive notes at the same pitch at maximum speed.
4. The paper strip only has room for about 100 beats of music.
5. If can play at most four notes at the same time.

I've been looking high and low for a nice snippet of classical music that this gizmo could play...but no luck so far. Any ideas? SteveBaker 03:32, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Harry potter theme??? ForeverDEAD 04:30, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Beethoven's Ode to Joy? [1] (just an excerpt, but easy to find online) Pfly 09:27, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

A couple more ideas; Amazing Grace (not classical, but nice), the first theme of Bach's In Dulci Jubilo (it has consecutive notes at the same pitch, but perhaps you could set "max speed" to 16th notes and it could play consecutive 8th notes?), and the first 8th note theme of Bach's Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring? Found basic sheet music for these here (Amazing Grace in the key of G, but no F#s in the melody, and could be transposed to C anyway), and here (could just use part of the piece), and here (it's in G, but could be transposed to C, and could just use the first 8th note melody). The restriction of "white notes" only makes it tricky. Forgive me if you know this, but if you find something nice, you might be able to transpose it to C, and all white notes is not only the key of C major, but also A minor ("natural minor"), and D dorian. There's a lot of jazz in dorian, maybe you can find something there? Interesting challenge. I've mainly thought of single note melodies, but since this thing can play 4 notes at once I'll see if I can think up something more complex. Pfly 17:02, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Further to what Pfly said, this may be very obvious, but I don't know how much you know about music. Are you aware that you could transpose any piece to play with 'no white notes' as long as it doesn't have any accidentals? So, as long as it doesn't have any sharps or flats specifically in front of particular notes, it doesn't matter if there are sharps and flats in the key signature. We can help you transpose it if necessary. However, taking that into account, it matters what the two octaves are. I would guess that it plays two octaves of the C major scale? So, from C to C? Hmmm. I'd think an excerpt from the moonlight sonata would be cool, but probably wouldn't work within your limits. I'll have a think... Skittle 22:23, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

The deal with two consecutive identical notes is to do with the way the paper tape pulls little wheels inside the box to pluck the metal 'comb' to make the sounds. You can have two identical notes separated by a rest - but if the music (for example) demands 1/16th notes that are identical and consecutive then you have to space the holes for the entire piece of music twice as far apart and wind the little handle twice as fast to play it. This halves the amount of music you can have on one strip and makes the music box harder to operate - but it's not impossible.

The ability to play four notes at once certainly adds to the joy of the thing...but the problem of a note from the melody 'colliding' with a note required by a chord - so a bit of refingering of the chords is likely to be needed.

In listening to some of the possible candidates, I'm painfully aware that the lack of volume or sustain control is another problem.

I'm aware of the basics of transposing music - but I realise that you can't tranpose just any key into any other key without doing great damage to the music in the process. It's not just about what key the music is in, a piece in C major is useless if it has accidentals in it. It's hard to explain the limits in formal musical terms - but I think "you have to be able to play it without using any black notes" covers the problem accurately. As described in the book that comes with it, you get two octaves C-to-C but looking inside the music box, I only count 15 teeth on the 'comb' - so it'a clearly two notes less than that.

Thanks for the suggestion of looking for Dorian scale music - that's a good thing to try. In Duche Jubilo also sounds like a good choice - I've always loved it since Mike Oldfield recorded it and it sounds like the tinkly notes of a twangy bit of metal wouldn't destroy the character of the piece. I'm going to write it out and punch a tape to see how it sounds. The music box came with only three paper tape strips (they are made from very thin cardboard (or very heavy paper) and printed with a treble clef and a staff with faint horizontal and vertical lines to guide you to punching the holes) - but I doubt I'm going to get just the right thing in three tries - so I need to experiment with making my own strips. It's annoying that they don't sell extra strips. Given the difficulty of doing this, I doubt many people have made good tunes using this gizmo! I've also got to find a way to loop the tape back on itself so it can all be hidden away inside the nice wooden box I'm making for it. I'm hoping that merely using sticky tape will work - but I don't know. If that works then I may be able to make much longer tapes - but there will come a limit where the fairly flimsy mechanism won't be able to pull the tape through the rollers without it slipping.

At first sight, this seemed like an easy thing to do - but all of the annoying little restrictions are making it absolutely maddeningly difficult!

SteveBaker 23:28, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Just make sure that if you do choose "In Dulci Jubilo", don't tell your wife it's called "In Duche Jubilo", or she may think it's meant to accompany someone achieving blessed relief after waiting a long time without access to a bathroom. Which doesn't sound nearly as romantic as I think you intend the gift to be.  :) -- JackofOz 21:12, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

"I'm aware of the basics of transposing music - but I realise that you can't tranpose just any key into any other key without doing great damage to the music in the process. It's not just about what key the music is in, a piece in C major is useless if it has accidentals in it. It's hard to explain the limits in formal musical terms - but I think "you have to be able to play it without using any black notes" covers the problem accurately. As described in the book that comes with it, you get two octaves C-to-C but looking inside the music box, I only count 15 teeth on the 'comb' - so it'a clearly two notes less than that."

No matter what key the piece is in, if it doesn't have accidentals you can transpose it to 'no black notes' without any harm or damage. Fitting it within the C-to-C limits might be the tricky bit in that respect. 15 teeth would be the two-octave scale of C-major (remember you only get the C-in-the-middle once!). You could look at traditional music; for example, if you find something arranged for inexperienced penny-whistle players, it should be transposable and an accompaniment shouldn't be too hard to work out. Sumer is icumen in should be quite doable, if you transpose that version up a perfect 5th or down a perfect 4th, so F's become C's. You could then add the bass parts, or have it play as a canon. Alternatively, if you want to go for In Dulce Jubilo, this four part arrangement should work if you again transpose so that F's become C's. Or you could look for a more organ-y version. Skittle 14:54, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Argh! This is turning out to be maddeningly difficult! In Dulce Jubilo transposed nicely without accidentals - but my first effort didn't fit into the C-to-C limits, so I had to transpose it again to make it fit - and even then, with all of the melody fitting, I couldn't get all of the left-hand stuff to fit - so I had to cheat and rearrange it somewhat. The trouble with it is that it has a lot of consecutive identical notes so I had to double the note spacing along the paper tape to avoid that limitation of the mechanism. The result does work - but you have to crank the handle insanely quickly to get it to play at the right speed (because of the double note spacing) - and for the same reason, I can't really get enough of the tune onto one 12" paper tape (although I can theoretically tape two tapes end-to-end to solve that). But the speed you need to crank the machine is really too fast for comfort. So sadly, unless I can figure out some alternative gearing...I need something else. I'll check out Sumer is icumen in. The trouble with penny-whistle tunes is that they don't have polyphony - which is one of the few things that music boxes are really good at! I SERIOUSLY doubt that anyone else who bought one of these machines ever got anything useful out of it! SteveBaker 13:29, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I have one of those boxes. Jesu Joy Of Man's Desiring works very well once you transpose it into C major. Right click and save as if it doesn't play properly Bear in mind that that's the first one I've done. I haven't had much time to do anything else but I will soon. I love my music box and think it's wonderful. You just need to be able to transpose and rearrange. Killerpelicans (talk) 20:37, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

October 29

Name of Movie

I'm looking for a movie that was released between 2000-2005. It had something to do with a girl knowing a secret number and several men trying desperately to find out the number she knows and what it's for. In a trailer, there's one scene where she is lying on a bed chanting "I will never tell....". It's a triller/action/horror. Thanks. Acceptable 03:21, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Don't Say a Word, with Brittany Murphy and Michael Douglas. Adam Bishop 03:51, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

That's the one! Thanks a lot. Acceptable 01:17, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

logo on gilette stadium grass

what is the logo on gillette stadium grass?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.206.253.2 (talk) 15:30, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

If you mean the logo on the Gillette Stadium as seen here, it's the logo of the New England Patriots. 84.69.68.203 15:43, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

He is most likely referring to the weird logo near the sidelines (also seen in that photo). It is a profile of the stadium with what I assume are fireworks coming out of it. -- kainaw™ 15:53, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh, that seems to be the logo of the stadium, [2] says "It is the bridge and lighthouse that stands as the stadium’s signature marking". 84.69.68.203 16:41, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

• The last item on the Patriots official FAQ confirms that the above answer is correct.[3] --M@rēino 15:12, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

NFL theme

I'm a moderator of an NFL group on Bebo, i searched but I can't find the NFl theme song, I need a video with it for the group.

What is the NFL theme song and can you give me a Youtube video with it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.130.214.198 (talk) 20:39, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure that the NFL has a proper theme song. There are several pieces strongly associated with it, however -- for instance, the various networks' themes (such as that for Monday Night Football) or pieces used by NFL Films. Can you better describe what piece you're trying to find? — Lomn 21:10, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Okey, it's probable the Monday NIght Football, but to be safe, can you give me a good video or something like that so I can see, or hear what it sounds like. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.130.214.198 (talk) 03:11, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

The piece is called "Heavy Action". It's used in plenty of ESPN commercials, though I haven't found any on their site (I expect they're buried in there somewhere). The details at [4] may be of use. Bear in mind that it is copyrighted material. — Lomn 15:10, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

• I'm willing to bet that you're thinking of the NFL on FOX theme song. As you'll see if you poke around on YouTube, all the networks have their own (and most networks have used a few over the years), but the FOX music (1) is a pretty well-written instrumental, and (2) is used by FOX as if it were "official" NFL music. --M@rēino 15:09, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.130.214.198 (talk) 23:15, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

October 30

English Help

For english I have to write an essay about the use of light and dark to convey the deeper message in William Golding's "Lord of The Flies". I have no idea where to start. I f you could help me out that would be great! Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.132.54.19 (talk) 01:12, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I think your first step would be to read the book. Good luck. -- 206.105.184.22 01:17, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

And then try the Humanities desk. 196.13.225.150 09:41, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, that response could have used a lot less BITE, although the general message is correct. When doing these kind of descriptive assignments, it's often a good idea to highlight the key words in the question as it is asked. For example, let's say the question is written "Discuss the use of light and dark to convey the deeper message in 'Lord of the Flies'." In this case, note how I've bolded "Discuss", "light and dark", and "deeper message". For "light and dark", look through the book to identify examples of this - in other words, look for contrasts that use light and dark metaphors. For "deeper message", you need to work out what the book is really about - is it a story about some kids on an island, or is it a story about some fundamental property of human nature? (Hint: The answer is yes.) Finally, for "discuss", you need to write about how the two things relate - so pick some of the key examples of "light and dark", and explain how they are used to convey the "deeper message". You may even be able to make some commentary on how effective they are now compared to when Golding wrote the book, but I probably wouldn't make that the focus of the essay.

As for this belonging on the Humanities desk, that's probably correct, although literature does straddle the border between "Humanities" and "Entertainment". Confusing Manifestation 22:06, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't necessarily take the above statement of the book's "deeper message" too far. To say that the novel - any novel - has a "deeper message" is to assume that the author intended to convey something beyond the basic narrative of the text. But if you stop and think, you realise that this entire approach is a fallacy. The reader has no privileged access to the state of the author's mind while he was writing the book. Even if Golding made public statements about what he intended to convey in the novel, these should not be taken too seriously. What matters above all else is the reader's own response to the text. There is no mileage to be gained from blindly trying to second-guess the author's "intention". The question in the essay is therefore fundamentally flawed, relying on a deeply problematic assumption of how meaning is created for the reader.

Secondly, your "hint" is not particularly helpful, since it relies on the assumption that there is such a thing as a "fundamental property of human nature". In fact many would dispute this, arguing that every human being is a socially constructed animal whose character is formed in direct response to the social conditioning of his/her upbringing. --Richardrj ^{talk email} 23:08, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

No, it assumes there is a deeper meaning to the narrative. It is generally accepted this is the case. The questioner should Google "Lord of the Flies". There are multiple sites that discuss the symbolism of the book and once you get an idea on how it works, it's easier to find new examples. - Mgm|^(talk) 11:51, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

And when you're writing an essay for English class, where the question itself uses the phrase "deeper meaning", you have to come up with something. Confusing Manifestation 23:17, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

WWE Question

Hello, I would just like to ask. Has any article related to WWE or Pro Wrestling been the "Today's featured Article"? Just curious. Thank you in advance for answering. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.87.183.146 (talk) 02:18, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

If you look at WP:TFA it has links to archived lists of previous "Today's Featured Articles". A quick look going back in time shows that Montreal Screwjob was TFA on November 9 this year. Feel free to look back further. Confusing Manifestation 03:00, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Unless you're in a time machine, I think you mean will be the featured article.  :) Corvus cornix 18:03, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Chrissie Amphlett's high school

Did Christina Amphlett from the Divinyls attend Belmont High School in her teenage years? --Candy-Panda 12:37, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

yes Foxhill 15:43, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Nip/Tuck repeats

does anyone know if/when they are on? I thought they were on on saturday nights/sunday mornings from about 11pm to 330am, but they were not on this past weekend. Anyone? --MKnight9989 13:50, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I see you live in the United States so would imagine you're after info on the showtimes there? If so, I would imagine it may be because the new series in the US starts tonight, FX is showing S05EP1 tonight and seems to be repeating it three times in the following five days (info from tvguide). Foxhill 15:40, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Television news

Hi, I'm learning English and I would like to know if you know a website where I can watch TV news online. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.201.163.223 (talk) 16:13, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

The BBC website offers this. And the English spoken on there is the best in the world :-) --Richardrj ^{talk email} 16:15, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Concur with Richard; and another possibility would be listening to online news bulletins, such as those provided by Independent Radio News. They supply British radio stations with hourly 90-second or 3-minute news bulletins, in a slightly less formal style than the BBC, and the latest bulletin can be heard on the website (second link from the left at the top). Hassocks5489 20:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

BBC World Service also. Lanfear's Bane | t 21:22, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

This section of the BBC website may be particularly helpful. Learn English with the BBC. DuncanHill 21:31, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Note that all the previous answers will provide you with speakers of British English. Is that what you want to learn, or do you prefer to learn American English ? StuRat 12:25, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

music& songs

hi, i have just made a recording of 8 tracks on to a cd useing backing tracks i bought on line all above board it turned out quite good i think so a friend of mine put me on to a web site called cdbaby who put cd,s in stores & on line to millions of people it sounds quite good there is one problem how do i make it legal with the royalties on thr backing tracks i have used can anyone help me. roger —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.145.240.131 (talk) 16:28, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

The Reference Desk cannot provide legal advice. You should consult a lawyer. — Lomn 20:26, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

When you acquired the backing tracks, you should probably have received some indication of the license and acceptable uses (and what you bought was more than likely a license to use them). You should check through any documentation you received or that is on the site where you got the tracks to see what they say. If you have any doubts at all about the licensing, you should definitely contact a lawyer. --LarryMac | Talk 14:04, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

1990 VSH "Sandino"

Could anyone tell me where I might purchase the 1990 VHS film entitled "Sandino" directed by Miguel J. Littin, starring Kris Kristofferson?

This drama takes place in Central America and is based on the life of one of Nicaragua's guerillas, Augusto C. Sandino.

Thank you very much.

Becky Jorgeson (email removed, see intructions at top of page) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Beckyrjorgeson (talk • contribs) 18:58, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

You don't provide a location request. But all I can find online is a Chilean rental site [5] and a retailer from Salvador, Brazil who lists it on their site [6] You can ask them if they have it using the email link on the site. Rockpocket 23:01, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

October 31

Hamlet 1976 film

I notice that you don't have any article about Hamlet 1976 version for Hamlet on screen article. the film stars Helen Mirren as David and Anthony Meyer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.64.133.15 (talk) 01:13, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

True, that is an omission we must rectify. Btw, Helen Mirren played both Gertrude and Ophelia; there's no character named David. [7] -- JackofOz 02:03, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I think 76.64 meant the twin actors David and Anthony Meyer (Mischka & Grischka in Octopussy) who both played Hamlet and Laertes in the film, and we don't know who killed whom in the end. (In other words, "as" should read "and") ---Sluzzelin talk 02:53, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Yep, that's probably it. -- JackofOz 02:59, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

In what movies does this scene happen...

I love scenes in movies in which the "good guy" (usually a police officer) sits down and chats with the "bad guy" (usually some sort of law breaker) in a casual way, as if they're good friends. The cop knows he/she is talking to the "enemy" and vice versa for the bad guy. It's an interesting dichotomy that makes for very entertaining movie scenes!

For instance...

• The classic scene in Heat_(film) in which Al Pacino and Robert De Niro have dinner together.
• This is sort of event occurs in The Brave One. Jodie Foster and Terrence Howard have lunch together.

Does this sort of scene happen in any other films that you're aware of?

Thanks! 12.206.102.177 03:01, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

• Kill Bill Vol. 2. If you see the film or read the article, you'll see there's a very good reason why Uma Thurman's character is suddenly polite to her antagonist. --M@rēino 13:35, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

The interesting thing about Heat is that the scene in the coffee shop is actually based on real events. Quite amazing. SteveBaker 13:11, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Black actresses who know martial arts

I'm trying to come up with some names of black (as in African) actresses who practice martial arts. I mean the real deal, like Jet Li or Chuck Norris, and not an just an actress who has played a character who supposedly knew martial arts, but needed to use a stunt double or cut-away shots. Any martial arts style will do. I would prefer actresses who work mainly in the English language. Thanks! --M@rēino 04:34, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Halle Berry did a bunch of martial arts training for Cat Woman. Check it out on Google. Beekone 17:29, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I seem to recall Grace Jones doing some martial arts moves in her movies. StuRat 12:12, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Grace Jones vs. Russell Harty was her finest moment! DuncanHill 12:27, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Spoilers in opening credits

Why would a television show, or a movie, put potential spoilers in the opening credits? For example, I recently Netflixed the first disc of the second season of Star Trek: Voyager which contains the episode "The 37's". In this episode, there is a character called Amelia Earhart. When I sat down to watch the episode though, I already knew she was going to be in the episode since the character was listed in the opening credits as "Sharon Lawrence as Amelia Earhart". Why provide this spoiler? Dismas|^(talk) 08:48, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

The spoiler was not necessarily intended. Often, the network tells the show's staff when and where they may put the credits. UPN at that point had barely been in existence for a year, and they might not have gotten the procedure down for figuring out when considerations like spoilers would make it wise to run an unusual credit sequence. --M@rēino 13:32, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

There are also union rules which may force the producers to give an actor credit in the opening, even if it spoils a plot point. -- 68.156.149.62 18:48, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Do the rules specify that sometimes the credit must include the character name? I had the impression that that's negotiable, along with sequence and such words as "with" or "featuring", reflecting nuances of the actor's relative clout. —Tamfang 20:58, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

61.14.7.34 (talk) 20:14, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, Kiddypedia. Interesting idea. It would take a huge amount of work to identify all the articles (out of the over 2 million! we currently have) that could be of particular interest to children, and then rewrite them in a more children-friendly style. That's not to say it shouldn't be done, or that it's not a good idea, but it would be a colossal task. In the meantime, I'm not sure if you found our article on Cinderella, but if not, click on the link. -- JackofOz 08:13, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

One problem is that "kids" are not a single audience, but break down as many audiences in different age groups. Toddlers might enjoy a picture gallery, while 8-year olds would like a list of the characters, some quotations, etc., and 12-year olds, on the other hand, might be more interested in how the movie was made. StuRat 11:57, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

True. Another issue I see is deciding on the wording of any one article. We have enough argy-bargy as it is; just imagine the conflict we'd generate in writing to a child audience. We'd ideally have to have child-age contributors on board, to ensure we get the tone right - not that that's a bad thing - but I suspect they'd fall by the wayside very quickly when the big-gun editors come out of the woodwork and talk down to them (or much worse) and give them a taste of what the "real world" of "mature" adults is like. -- JackofOz 12:07, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

"Argy-bargy" ? Is that Aussiespeak ? Another issue is that movies are "real" to kids below a certain age, so any discussion of people doing the voices, etc., would be a spoiler for them. StuRat 12:17, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Argy-bargy. DuncanHill 12:33, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Argybargy :-) --LarryMac | Talk 13:21, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, DH. And for those who might assume it's pronounced the way it looks, the g's are soft. (Re that apostrophe with the plural of g: I considered the options and decided it was the best of a bad bunch. English isn't perfect after all - what a shock!). -- JackofOz 12:46, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Traditional animated films

Which was the most recent traditionally-animated film (ie, not computer animated) to get a wide release? zafiroblue05 | Talk 00:16, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Our traditional animation article says the "last major feature film to use traditional ink and paint was Studio Ghibli's Princess Mononoke (1997); the last animated series to do so was Ed, Edd n Eddy." Rmhermen 01:54, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Note that the previous answer refers to the last productions without any use of computers, even for filling in colors in hand drawn frames. This level of computer input doesn't make a noticeable impact on the final product, but does lower costs and increase production speed. This is in contrast with full computer animation, which produces features with a completely different look (Shrek, for example). Many productions don't use this level of computer input, since some things, like showing facial expressions, are quite difficult (but not impossible) to create, using nothing but computers. StuRat 11:44, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't think you should consider this as an all-or-nothing thing. Remember the traditional process: Master animator draws key frames, maybe one or two per second. Apprentice animators fill in the 'tweens' (the "in between" frames)to get 10 or 20 frames per second. These are copied onto transparent cels ("cellophane sheets" - although I'm sure they are acetate or something these days) - then 'inked' to make the thin pencil lines nice and thick and solid. Next 'paint' comes along and paints in the solid areas with colour. Finally someone takes the background art and foreground cels and layers them in the right order and photographs them ("compositing").

Any or all of those steps (key-frames, tweens, cels, ink, paint, compositing) can be computerised - and the effect on the final movie depends on how many of those you automate. It really doesn't make any difference whether you use a human to ink and paint the frames or a computer - the results with modern software are pretty much identical - and compositing by computer simply saves manpower over photographing cels. The main concern is how the lines were drawn in the first place - and even then, using a computer to do tweening produces results that are at least as good as human tweening (probably better because it's cheaper - so you can choose to do more frames per second to get fluid motion where you artistically need it without having to worry about cost).

That leaves you the question of how the keyframes are drawn - and that is where using a computer changes the master animators style and makes a huge difference to the end-result. So the question is how the keyframes were drawn - and I'm pretty sure that quite a few studios still do that by hand using a flip-pad.

SteveBaker 13:05, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

November 1

Toys Я Us ad

I can't quite make out what is said in this TV ad, run in the US, and it's driving me nuts. A girl is sitting on her bed with her mother and says "<squeak> get some more toys", then they look through the toy company's catalog. As best I can make out, the squeak is something like "wada hana han". Part of the problem is that it's right at the start of the ad, so I never seem to be paying attention. Can anybody hear it clearly ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by StuRat (talk • contribs) 11:27, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

"Make some noise motherf*cker" / Upload questions

Hello. Firstly, how do I find the license for this? None of licenses in the drop-down menu for uploading files had one that was what I was looking for. I took it from one of my CDs, and edited it in Goldwave to make it shorter to act as a sample. If appropriate I thought it could also be used as a sample for the Hardcore article.

Secondly, I was thinking about playing this at a party, however, I question the language involved. The song is a sample from "About U" by Ham & DNA.

Cheers. :) --TV-VCR watch 14:04, 1 November 2007 (UTC)