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The list was promoted by User:Scorpion0422 04:12, 1 June 2008 [1].
This is well referenced, and has a nicely written lead. It seems to meet all criteria. « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie ( talk / contribs) 22:49, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support (as nom) « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie ( talk / contribs) 21:30, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments I'm tempted to oppose based on the team. ;) Joking aside, some of the references aren't in {{cite web}} form. Also, make sure punctuation marks are before the reference at the end of a sentence. Just a couple things at first glance. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 13:26, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- References look good, but ref #2 is still inside the period. Other than that it looks good from what I can tell. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 14:45, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Alright (I know it looks like I'm talking to myself here), from what I can tell it looks good. Seems well-written, and from what I can tell (don't know much about sports) it looks factually accurite. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's good enough to support. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 15:14, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- References look good, but ref #2 is still inside the period. Other than that it looks good from what I can tell. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 14:45, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, not enough in-line citations for the list itself. GreenJoe 00:11, 28 May 2008 (UTC)Support, the in-line citations look good. Thank you for doing this. GreenJoe 01:00, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]- You don't need to include inline citations for every single line in the list when all information comes from one source. It's properly indicated at the bottom of the list. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 00:22, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- However, the information does come from an unreliable source (xx.tripod.com), so it looks like inline citations for each season will be necessary. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 00:36, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Done, every season now cited. « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie 00:04, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- However, the information does come from an unreliable source (xx.tripod.com), so it looks like inline citations for each season will be necessary. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 00:36, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- You don't need to include inline citations for every single line in the list when all information comes from one source. It's properly indicated at the bottom of the list. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 00:22, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- Don't split the bolding of the lead over two sentences.
- Refer to Wikipedia_talk:FLC#Straight_repetitions_of_the_title_in_the_opening_sentence
- I don't get it.. the opening sentence says "not including playoffs", yet the table has a playoffs column
- "Boston, Massachusetts", rather than "Boston, Massachusetts
- "Major League Baseball (MLB)" should be "Major League Baseball (MLB)"
- No need for "both of" or "itself", so "current champions of the Major League Baseball (MLB)’s American League Eastern Division and the American League (AL)." will do fine
- I think the nicknames should be placed within quote marks rather than being italicised
- Is the season over yet? If so, "Every home game since May 15, 2003 has been sold out—a span of over four years.[6]" might be better as "Between May 15, 2003 and <<the date of the final game of the season>>, every home game has been sold out.[6]
- Image:Pumpsie Green 1960 Topps 317.jpg needs a fair-use claim (it actually doesn't have a single one)
- Footnote [e], "95—67" should use " – " per WP:DASH
That's all I've got. Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 08:07, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks! Though you didn't have to remove the image, just provide a fair-use claim. Nevermind, it's no big deal. Everything else is good, criteria is met, so Support. Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 06:29, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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previous FLC (23:18, 14 May 2008)
- Re-nomination
I am re-nominating this list because it was removed as a candidate, despite all issues raised have been addressed. Blackngold29 04:47, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support I supported the last nomination, which I feel was hastily archived, and should have been given more time, so I see no reason not to support again. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs) @ 05:05, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Per last nomination, as I also think it was hastily archived. « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie ( talk / contribs) 21:54, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- this user was outright asked to support. -- Scorpion0422 23:31, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I was merely pointing out that it was a re-nomination, not to be confused with the original nomination, which he had already supported. I did not mean to "vote stack" by any means. Blackngold29 23:34, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Did I say it was vote stacking? I was just pointing out that he was asked. You seem to be under the misconception that this process is run strictly by votes. It's not. While a nom does need a minimum amount of supporting users, lists with a majority of support can still be failed. -- Scorpion0422 23:40, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't want to make a big deal about this, I was just trying to clarify my intentions. I will ask no more people about a possible review for this list, and if in the future I do, I will make them more neutral. Blackngold29 23:48, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Looks good, though it'd be nice if the in-line citations had their own column. GreenJoe 00:15, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- Please refer to Wikipedia_talk:FLC#Straight_repetitions_of_the_title_in_the_opening_sentence
- "to represent the city's heritage, of producing steel." Unnecessary comma
- Use mdashes rather than ndashes for the "empty" table cells
That's all from me! Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 07:21, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Y Done. Blackngold29 16:07, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Nothing else to say here. Comments were addressed, and it satisfies WP:WIALF. Support Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 06:27, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by User:Scorpion0422 04:12, 1 June 2008 [3].
Discography of former Spice Girl member Geri Halliwell. I'm nominating it because I believe it to be complete and well referenced. -- Underneath-it-All (talk) 01:25, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments by Dweller
- Could the tables be sortable?
- I don't think so while they use
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.... The Rambling Man (talk) 14:58, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]- OK, should the tables be sortable? --Dweller (talk) 15:03, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't think so while they use
- I think the Lead should specify that the scope of the article does not include Spice Girls material and include a prominent link to a suitable list/article for that
- "number one single "It's Raining Men"," includes geographical POV - unless you'd describe a single as a "number one single" if it reached number one in any chart, anywhere
- "Passion did not perform as well as previous releases, failing to chart throughout Europe." - claim contradicted by table stats.
- Why are album titles italicised by Singles in quotes? Even that is inconsistent - see the Singles table
- Were none of her singles released in the USA?
- What's the rationale for the order of the countries in the tables?
- Are videos normally part of a "discography"?
That'll do for starters! --Dweller (talk) 14:10, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I have added your comments into the lead section. The version you probably viewed was the vandalized version. I have now reverted all the table back. This now includes her releases in the US. Videos are normally apart of a discography. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Discographies/style for more information. -- Underneath-it-All (talk) 14:20, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Is D/CP the most authoritative chart for the USA? Isn't there one based on sales? It would seem to bias in favour of dancey tracks... --Dweller (talk) 14:31, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It's the only chart Halliwell charted on in the US. -- Underneath-it-All (talk) 15:23, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I'd remove it. It's misleading, as the others are "proper" charts, it gives this undue weight. --Dweller (talk) 10:38, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Done! -- Underneath-it-All (talk) 16:07, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I'd remove it. It's misleading, as the others are "proper" charts, it gives this undue weight. --Dweller (talk) 10:38, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It's the only chart Halliwell charted on in the US. -- Underneath-it-All (talk) 15:23, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Is D/CP the most authoritative chart for the USA? Isn't there one based on sales? It would seem to bias in favour of dancey tracks... --Dweller (talk) 14:31, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support Can't find anything to complain about! Well done. Drewcifer (talk) 05:42, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks! -- Underneath-it-All (talk) 16:07, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose, not enough in-line citations for the list itself. Specifically the video section. GreenJoe 00:19, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I have added inline citations for the music video section. As for the charts themselves, they are all cited in the references section. This format has been widely used in other featured discographies (see Wikipedia:WikiProject Discographies/style#Citations and references). -- Underneath-it-All (talk) 03:44, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- Did Halliwell debut in 1994? I know that's when the Spice Girls were formed, but their first release wasn't until 1996.
- Typo: "reccording"
- I always find it odd that singles charted in certain territories, but albums didn't. Can it be verified that her albums didn't chart in Australia and Ireland, and the singles didn't in the US?
- Fixed the typo. I changed it to 1996. It's true what you said. They formed in 1994, but didn't actually "debut" until 1996 with "Wannabe". I cannot find any reliable sources that say Halliwell's album charted in Ireland or Australia. -- Underneath-it-All (talk) 14:06, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I think you're right re Ireland and Australia. I've done a big ol Googling of both today with nothing to speak of. I can't see anything else with the discog to comment on, FLC wise, so I support. Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 06:25, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks! -- Underneath-it-All (talk) 15:01, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed the typo. I changed it to 1996. It's true what you said. They formed in 1994, but didn't actually "debut" until 1996 with "Wannabe". I cannot find any reliable sources that say Halliwell's album charted in Ireland or Australia. -- Underneath-it-All (talk) 14:06, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by User:Scorpion0422 04:12, 1 June 2008 [4].
Alright, I know I only published this a few hours ago, but I firmly believe it passes the criteria. There might be some prose issues that I can't see, but if so they are probably very minor. Thanks, Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 22:15, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Is there a list of pre-1980 hurricanes to compliment this one, and if so, where is it linked?
- There are no sourced footnotes for the deadly hurricanes list at the end of the article.
- In the lead:
- Why is there different phrasing for Maryland (tropical cyclones) and DC (significant storms)?
- Your lead needs some references for statements that are not summaries of info in the list, including the sentences that start 'The Delmarva Peninsula', 'Central and western Maryland', and 'Additionally, on rare occasions'.
- There has to be an article to link to for Assateague Island, which is redlinked.
- Just a preference, but there's an image related to every subection except 1990-1995.
- Well, there's not a pre-1980 list yet, but I'm planning on writing a series similar to List of North Carolina hurricanes, so once I get his list done I'll move on to the next one. The deadly storms table doesn't need sources, as it is simply counting up all the deaths already mentioned in the article. In the lead, the reason there is different wording is because it is mostly a list of Maryland hurricanes because I mention every single storm, but it only gives information on significant storms for Washington, D.C.; chances are any storm that affected Maryland also affected Washington, D.C. Also, there is no need for references in the lead, as everything is already said in the article. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 17:37, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't think the separate phrasing is necessary. It just doesn't seem necessary to phrase that sentence as, "encompasses 53 known tropical cyclones that have affected the U.S. state of Maryland and significant storms that have affected Washington, D.C" rather than, "encompasses 53 known tropical cyclonesand significant storms that have affected the U.S. state of Maryland and Washington, D.C".
- As to the lead referencing, I've looked through the list, and I can't find where there's a reference for the idea that, "The Delmarva Peninsula is often affected by cyclones that brush the East Coast", or, "Central and western Maryland, including Washington, D.C., commonly receives rainfall from the remnants of storms that make landfall elsewhere and track northward." I don't believe this is a summary of content further along. These are more general assertions that need a cited authority to back them up.
- Speaking of, copyedited that Central and western Maryland sentence - it now reads, "commonly receive". Central and western Maryland are two regions. Marrio (talk) 18:04, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Ok, I reworded the lead a bit, so that should be better. About the lead referencing, there are no references in the article. It is simply a total of how many storms have affected what areas. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 18:09, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Looks good. I'll support, contingent on a couple of fixes to references I didn't notice before (apologies).
- You've got a broken link in the first citation. It comes up as "Object Not Found".
- You have one reference that mentions it's a pdf (10), but others that link to pdfs but don't mention it, as in 7 and 8. Having that notation is helpful.
- Is the article title in ref 25 really in all caps?
- Typo in 41 - 'prelinary'
- Marrio (talk) 18:45, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Alright, everything's done. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 19:47, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Looks good. I'll support, contingent on a couple of fixes to references I didn't notice before (apologies).
- Ok, I reworded the lead a bit, so that should be better. About the lead referencing, there are no references in the article. It is simply a total of how many storms have affected what areas. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 18:09, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support - All resolved, good work. Marrio (talk) 20:52, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - check for tense consistency. I see several past tense. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:50, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I think I got all of them. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 17:45, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Another problem is lack of 2008 USD's. Also, the dates are weird. How come the first sub-section is split by decade (1980-9), the next section is 6 years (1990-5), the next one is 4 years (1996-9), the next one is 4 years (2000-3), then the last section is (randomly) 2004-present. Grammar in the following sentence could be better; producing reported waves 12 ft (3.7 m) high. Just a little quibble. When saying, produces up to 2.70 in (69 mm) , it implies that rainfall reached up to, but still less than 2.7 inches. brushes the western border - what does that mean? Tense consistency is needed; Tropical Storm Beryl's remnants track over western Maryland and produces. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 13:37, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I fixed the grammar mistakes. I'm trying to keep the sections as equal in size as possible, which is why the time periods vary. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 14:10, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I think it would be more important to have the sections equal in size, in terms of time. I can see the argument for keeping the sections in similar lengths, but it distorts the scale of time by splitting it the way it currently is. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:30, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- What would you say, five years? 10 years? I'm just concerned that one section will have a few storms, and another will have dozens. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 14:33, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Every other featured state hurricane list article does the same, which this article should be based off of. If there are too few, than have a larger time period, such as a decade. If there are too many, then split it down the middle (1990-1994, 1995-1999). ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:51, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Done, I think. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 02:08, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- 2008 USD's still needed. Also, there are several unneeded Wikilinks, like to generator, corn, soy, hypothermia; all of those are common terms that don't add much value. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:13, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Done, although I think hypothermia does need a link, and I left it as such. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 22:34, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- 2008 USD's still needed. Also, there are several unneeded Wikilinks, like to generator, corn, soy, hypothermia; all of those are common terms that don't add much value. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:13, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Done, I think. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 02:08, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Every other featured state hurricane list article does the same, which this article should be based off of. If there are too few, than have a larger time period, such as a decade. If there are too many, then split it down the middle (1990-1994, 1995-1999). ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:51, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- What would you say, five years? 10 years? I'm just concerned that one section will have a few storms, and another will have dozens. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 14:33, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I think it would be more important to have the sections equal in size, in terms of time. I can see the argument for keeping the sections in similar lengths, but it distorts the scale of time by splitting it the way it currently is. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:30, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I fixed the grammar mistakes. I'm trying to keep the sections as equal in size as possible, which is why the time periods vary. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 14:10, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Another problem is lack of 2008 USD's. Also, the dates are weird. How come the first sub-section is split by decade (1980-9), the next section is 6 years (1990-5), the next one is 4 years (1996-9), the next one is 4 years (2000-3), then the last section is (randomly) 2004-present. Grammar in the following sentence could be better; producing reported waves 12 ft (3.7 m) high. Just a little quibble. When saying, produces up to 2.70 in (69 mm) , it implies that rainfall reached up to, but still less than 2.7 inches. brushes the western border - what does that mean? Tense consistency is needed; Tropical Storm Beryl's remnants track over western Maryland and produces. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 13:37, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I think I got all of them. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 17:45, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I just came over to look at some lists, considering the proposal at WT:FAC; this list has a mess of messed up WP:DASHes, using spaced emdashes where it should have spaced endashes. It's also missing WP:NBSPs. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:24, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I fixed the dashes, but I only found one or two missing nbsps. Could you please specify if there are any more missing? Thanks, Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 02:34, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support with a few questions. I just made a few changes to the lead. Is "brushing an area with light rainfall" normal in metereological writing? It sounds like a weird construction here, and it's used twice. The last two sentences of the Hurricane Isabel item come off as odd too (the part about DC) but I can't put my finger on why. The sentence The following table includes all storms from since 1980 which have caused reported fatalities in Maryland and Washington, D.C. has an obvious error, and I believe the "which" should be "that". Tuf-Kat (talk) 01:29, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, to brush an area with light rainfall means to pass just offshore of a state, dropping light rainfall with the outer bands. I fixed that mistake. Thank you for your support and comments. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 01:36, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- I'm wondering why Maryland and DC storms are together in the same list? Would it become too short of a list if they were separated, or did each storm that hit Maryland also hit DC?
- Hurricanes Tito and Isobel are linked in the list, but not Ivan
- Wikilink $ to United States dollar, which negates the need for "USD")
- Where did you get the convert from 2003 dollars to 2008 dollars? I think a reference is needed here.
- Perhaps reword the above as "$125 million (in 2003, $146 million in 2008)"?
- Apologies for my ignorance, but if the list is "hurricanes", why are Tropical storms and depressions included?
- There's a number of over-wikilinks to inch and millimeter in the conversions. 1980-89 has 2, for example. I would only link the first instance in each section. Also, some measurements are abbreviated, and others are written in full. Again, I would write the first instance in each section in full, and abbreviate the remainder.
- Hurricane Bob: Please wikilink the miles, kilometers, feet and meters in the conversions
- Storm Danielle: Please wikilink mph and km/h
- Remove the over-linking in Storms Bertha, Fran, Josephine, Bonnie, Irene, Kyle and Isabel.
- Wikilink acres and km2 in Fran
- Ref 26 is mid-sentence and needs moving to the end, or after punctuation
- As the 1990s are grouped 1990-94, and 95-99, I'd group the 2000s as 2000-04 and 05-present.
A few things to be addressed before I support. Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 05:48, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you for the comments. I fixed the linking issues and I tried to clarify those terms some. Regarding your first question, most if not all storms that affected Maryland also affected DC in some way, so it would be redundant to make another list. About the USD issues, that's how all of the similar lists—List of North Carolina hurricanes (1980-present), List of New Jersey hurricanes, List of Delaware hurricanes, List of New York hurricanes, List of Florida hurricanes, etc.—format them, so I don't think it's really necessary to change them. Ref 26 and the year groups are fixed. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 13:14, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- Terms: "hurricane strength winds", "peak gusts", "X storm tracking" What do they mean? Again, should be clarified.
- The table of deadly storms seems rather short, too short to include as a separate section. Maybe you could just merge into the lead, or something along those lines. Noble Story (talk) 11:06, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I tried to clarify those terms some in the lead. Also, the deadly storms table doesn't seem to fit anywhere else, so that's the only good place for it. Thanks for the comments, Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 13:14, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Still Unresolved
- I'm echoing matthew's bewilderment. What is the difference between a tropical cyclone, a hurricane, a tropical depression, and a tropical storm? I think you should clarify in the lead, or maybe make a key.
- "No storms during the period have caused sustained hurricane strength winds, as only two in recorded history have done so. Hurricane strength winds are sustained winds of 75 mph (121 km/h) or greater." Perhaps you could say "...sustained hurricane strength winds (winds of 75 mph (121 km/h) or greater)..." Just seems a bit more efficient to say it that way.
Noble Story (talk) 13:30, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Noble Story (talk) 13:30, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Alright, I tried again. Any better? Thanks, Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 13:38, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments from « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie
- Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (numbers), there should be a non-breaking space -
between a number and the unit of measurement. For example, instead of 350 mm, use 350 mm, which when you are editing the page, should look like: 350 mm. - "List of Maryland and Washington, D.C. hurricanes from 1980–present encompasses 54 known..." - Avoid repeating the title.
- "Hurricane Ivan was the deadliest storm, indirectly killing two women when a tree was blown on their house due to a tornado spawned by the system." - Do you have a reference?
- Other than those minor comments, awesome job on the list. « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie 00:01, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Hey, thanks for the comments. Added the missing nbsps. Yep, the Ivan fact has refs in the body of the article. About repeating the title, because it tells what the list is and doesn't just say "This is a list of...", I think it should be fine. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 00:27, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - seems to meet all criteria. « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie 14:39, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Other than those minor comments, awesome job on the list. « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie 00:01, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Additional Comments
- still a bit of over-linking regarding measurements. (Virginia then Charley; Erin then Josephine; Gordon then Ivan
- link ft/m in Tammy/Twenty-one, and switch the in/mm link from Barry to Cindy
- Jeanne has ref [2] placed mid-sentence
And that should do it. Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 06:16, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by User:Scorpion0422 04:12, 1 June 2008 [5].
Modeled on FL 1976 Summer Olympics medal count. Marrio (talk) 14:10, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- For compound information involving numbers (201 countries, 301 events, etc.), use
- I think I found all of them. Marrio (talk) 15:26, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "The United Arab Emirates won an olympic gold medal for the first time in its history." Capitalize Olympic.
- Done Marrio (talk) 15:26, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "...but a spokesman for the European Union, Reijo Kemppinen, boasted of European success in the games..." Is this quote really necessary?
- I don't think it's essential either - I just kept it because it's a different perspective on the medal count and was in the article when I started working on it. I'll pull it for now, but would appreciate other reviewers weighing in on it, if they think it should be put back in. Marrio (talk) 15:26, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "...although that organization does not officially recognize global ranking per country." What does this sentence mean, exactly?
- Good question. It's gone. Marrio (talk) 15:26, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "In boxing and judo, two bronze medals were awarded in each weight class." Relevance?
- Clarified. Marrio (talk) 15:26, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I see some specific references, but maybe you could just link to a general reference where you got the table.
- The first sentence in the section lead mentions the source, and has a note. Are you thinking of a link on the table itself? If so, I'm not sure where exactly to place it. Marrio (talk) 15:26, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Finally, you need to make this table sortable (just as an example, like this).
- Done. Marrio (talk) 15:26, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Noble Story (talk) 15:01, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- More Comments
- "Athletes from 74 countries won at least one medal, leaving 127 countries in blank in the medal table." What does "in blank" mean?
- Fixed
- "Host nation Greece finished the games with sixteen medals overall (six gold, six silver, and four bronze), with Israel and the United Arab Emirates winning Olympic gold medals for the first time in their history." "with + noun" is not really a grammatical construction. See here for more info.
- Fixed
- "Greek weightlifter Leonidas Sampanis was the first, losing his bronze medal in the men's 62 kg competition, with Venezuelan Israel Jose Rubio receiving the medal in his place. Russian athlete Irina Korzhanenko lost her gold medal in women's shot put, with Cuban Yumileidi Cumbá Jay replacing her as the Olympic champion, German Nadine Kleinert receiving the silver medal, and Svetlana Krivelyova of Russia receiving the bronze medal." Same problem as above ("with + noun"). Try making it similar to the following sentences ("shifting", "handing", "resulting").
- Done. Thanks for taking a look. -- Scorpion0422 14:50, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Suggestion I'm currently working on 2006 Winter Olympics medal count and one thing I think you should include is which athletes were stripped of medals during these games, and how it affected the standings. -- Scorpion0422 14:01, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. Marrio (talk) 17:00, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. There's a mention to the first ever gold medal of United Arab Emirates. You forgot Israel. Parutakupiu (talk) 18:11, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Added that in, and thanks for pointing it out, because that sentence's reference was messed up and I found it as I was adding Israel. Marrio (talk) 18:55, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- That reference only states that it was UAE's first gold medal. You can easily find an online source for Israel's first title (e.g. here). Parutakupiu (talk) 22:19, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks. ref'd now. Marrio (talk) 23:23, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- That reference only states that it was UAE's first gold medal. You can easily find an online source for Israel's first title (e.g. here). Parutakupiu (talk) 22:19, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Still concerning Israel, I found a photo of Gal Fridman on Commons and I added it to the article, since it's more related to the topic than just the Olympic stadium image. Parutakupiu (talk) 23:50, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Parutakupiu (talk) 22:07, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments—Worth saving, I suppose, after the prose is massaged throughout. Can you find someone fresh to the list to help?
- I was about to pounce on the same "blank" issue as Noble Story, which still hasn't been fixed.
- Where's the boundary between naming numbers and using numerals? "Sixteen" but "36".
- WP:MOSNUM says "In the body of an article, single-digit whole numbers from zero to nine are spelled out in words; numbers greater than nine may be rendered in numerals or may be rendered in words if they are expressed in one or two words (sixteen, eighty-four, two hundred, but 3.75, 544, 21 million)." but generally I'll spell out any number lower than 20.
- "men's 62 kg competition"—can you pipe this correctly with a hyphen please?
- Done
- "doping scandals have resulted in a number of athletes being stripped of their medals"—Nope, this is the old noun plus -ing grammatical issue. See HERE for exercises in correcting it. PS the rest of that sentence is yuckie.
- Done. Thanks for the suggestion.
- If we're going to be so tribal as to compare the count of nation-states, I'd love to see added to the table the number of medals per million inhabitants. That would sort out the sheep from the goats. [Not actionable, of course.]
- It's possible, I have seen medal tables with this kind of statistic added. I'll ask the Olympics project and see if they agree (as this is a change that would affect every other list as well). Thanks for the review. -- Scorpion0422 14:50, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The user that nominated this page has been gone for a while and has shown no signs of a return, so I'll take over handling concerns from this nom for the time being. -- Scorpion0422 14:35, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support The image captions are fragments, so either remove the periods or make them complete sentences.--Crzycheetah 02:53, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Final Concern I think it would be better to say: "leaving 127 countries without a medal", instead of what it currently says. Noble Story (talk) 03:13, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments Just a couple of questions, really.
- Is the dash in "men's 62 kg–competition" correct?
- Was Israel Jose Rubio the fourth placed competitor? If so, perhaps it should be added
- Same with the other "replacements"
-- Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 05:17, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Done, done and done. Thanks for taking a look. -- Scorpion0422 04:19, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Welcome! And it was nice of you to pick up the nomination, too. Support. Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 06:08, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by User:Scorpion0422 04:12, 1 June 2008 [6].
This list is based off List of Castlevania titles and List of F-Zero titles, which are both featured lists. I believe I have written this list well and it is of featured quality. Salavat (talk) 03:00, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments Support
- The lead is rather short. Add some information about the popularity or something like that. Why is the series as long as it is?
- Added. Added comment from Yasuhiro Wada, from an interview he did from Eurogamer. Salavat (talk) 08:17, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Add references to the lead.
- Added. Ok i think ive added all necessary references in. Salavat (talk) 08:17, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The 'e' in english should be capitalised.
- Fixed. Salavat (talk) 15:16, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- If you wikilink Japan, you should also wikilink North America.
- Fixed. Salavat (talk) 14:55, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Wikilink "spinoff"
- Change "spinoff" into "spin-off"
- Fixed. Salavat (talk) 14:51, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Added. Not sure about placement though. Salavat (talk) 14:53, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Actually, using this template is discouraged by the WikiProject Japan (who had created the template originally), because it has been made redundant by the Template:Nihongo. See the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan#Template:Contains Japanese text. I've removed the template from the article, although if you believe it is really needed I guess it could be re-added. Kariteh (talk) 21:25, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Ok, i read that post on WP:Japan, and yeh it makes sense to remove it. Salavat (talk) 02:50, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Actually, using this template is discouraged by the WikiProject Japan (who had created the template originally), because it has been made redundant by the Template:Nihongo. See the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan#Template:Contains Japanese text. I've removed the template from the article, although if you believe it is really needed I guess it could be re-added. Kariteh (talk) 21:25, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Lots of references have incomplete information. Add, where applicable, language, date and author to the references.
- Fixed. Added language to all marvelous entertainment links, and date and author to reference #61 Salavat (talk) 14:16, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- If there is an author, add his name to the parameters "first" and "last", not to the publisher. For instance, your 61th reference says "publisher = Frank Provo, GameSpot". This should be "first=Frank, last=Provo, publisher=GameSpot".
- Fixed. Added date and name to seperate fields. Salavat (talk) 14:16, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's all for now. The list has potential and it deserves an fl status in the future. For now, oppose. Baldrick90 (talk) 11:39, 2 May 2008 (UTC)I believe you have adequatly addressed my concerns. Your list deserves a little bright star. :-) Good work. Baldrick90 (talk) 21:20, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support: This is a good list. It is comprehensive, stable, factually accurate, and well structured. Nice job Salavat. (Guyinblack25 talk 14:51, 5 May 2008 (UTC))[reply]
- Oppose
- Criterion 1, for example: "the North America", "maintain a farm over a period of time" (what do the last five words add?). Needs a copy-edit.
- Fixed "the North America", and "over a period of time" is just helping to explain the gameplay. Salavat (talk) 16:56, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- What do the Japanese characters add? They appear to be clutter that means nothing on eng.WP. Why the question mark after every kanji item?
- The japenese characters are a basic part of all titles, they are used in the above mentioned featured list of games, and the question mark is part of the "nihongo" template for Help:Japanese. Salavat (talk) 16:56, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Cr 2—the lead doesn't explain abbreviations such as "NA" and "PAL" that appear repeatedly in the table.
- Added mention of PAL region, shouldnt need to explain every abbreviation as they are wiki linked in the table. Salavat (talk) 16:56, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Cr 5—MOS breach in the blotchy use of bold in the table.
- The bold is used accordingly for the games titles as is the same in the above mentioned featured list of games. Although per VG GL it mentions "only English title should be bold", ill be happy to change this if someone verifies this (dont no if i read it right). Salavat (talk) 17:09, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Cr 4—Hard to navigate: what info is it in the top right box for each entry? Lots of white space.
- Exactly the same setup as the above 2 mentioned featured lists of games. Salavat (talk) 16:56, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Citation requirement—Why the Japanese-language refs? And not all are marked as such. How do we know they're reliable? TONY (talk) 10:38, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- All references come from reliable sources, either from the developer themselves for the japanese characters or from the game sites such as GameSpot or IGN. Salavat (talk) 16:56, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- Please take a read of WT:FLC#Straight repetitions of the title in the opening sentence and WP:LS#Bold title regarding (as inferred) the repetition of the article title with "This is a list of....". Perhaps open with "The Harvest Moon video game series was originally produced by Victor Interactive Software...."
- Changed per request. Does make more sense to not be repetitive. Salavat (talk) 05:59, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Why "North American and PAL"? Surely "NTSC and PAL" would be better, or "North America and Europe"?
- Mainly becuase the NTSC region covers Japan as well. Which cannot be grouped together with North America because of the different release dates and language. JP, NA and PAL is the general way that most video game articles follow. PAL is usually used to cover Australia and Europe as the release dates are generally the same, but when different they are listed seperatly. Salavat (talk) 05:59, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "role-playing video games" would be fine, as video game is already linked to in the first sentence
- Fixed. Salavat (talk) 05:59, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "One reason the Harvest Moon series has remained popular is because of the unchanged core system of the games." A claim of popularity should be cited in some way. Perhaps by sales figures?
- Im not sure where i could find infomation like that. The main reason that the "popular" part is included was due to a previous request to expand the lead and explain the question of "Why is the series as long as it is?". Maybe, it should be reworded, if so, any help on how i could do that. Salavat (talk) 05:59, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not familiar with the games :( Perhaps it's okay without it. Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 06:07, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "it has been the response to the audience's request, which has created the key philosophy of the series popularity." Seems like that comma shouldn't be there
- Fixed. Salavat (talk) 05:59, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Again regarding my second point above, in the tables, why not "NTSC" instead of "NA"?
- As explained above. Salavat (talk) 05:59, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- OK, no problem Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 06:07, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't like how the references are placed next to words because they are fragmented sentences and don't need punctuation. Could you make each table a colspan=2 cell as a third column of each table and place the references there?
- Following the same layout as List of Castlevania titles, i dont no if this is neccessary. Im not sure how that would look like either. Salavat (talk) 05:59, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I guess it's okay to follow that one. Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 06:07, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- If not, Back to Nature's ref positions need fixing. For the release dates, ref 14 is placed after a space, but ref 15 isn't. Probably best to remove the space, because it's not there for any other references.
- Fixed. Salavat (talk) 05:59, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Can Harvest Moon Online really be included? It hasn't been released, no platform or date has been confirmed, so I think WP:CRYSTAL applies here.
- It is annouced game, as for the lack of a release date and platforms i have left them blank for the main reason to avoid WP:CRYSTAL. I think the game should remain although im not sure if the sentence i have comes under WP:CRYSTAL. Salavat (talk) 05:59, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Me either. Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 06:07, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
A few issues before I can support. Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 05:10, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Comments have been addressed. Seems to be alright now. Support. Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 06:07, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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