User talk:Dbachmann

July 2008

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Please refrain from personal attacks and stick to NPOV Sindhian (talk) 15:13, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

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re:automated Wikiproject tagging

Hello, Dbachmann. You have new messages at Tinucherian's talk page.
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A question regarding Sayana and Madhava

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ethnicity

i am glad to hear it! If you are not taking it personally, and don't find my comment especially interesting or useful, then you need not comment on it! Best, Slrubenstein | Talk 14:27, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Assyrian population

Hello dab, sorry to bother you, but I would like to know where you came up with these numbers for the Assyrian peoples population; "Iraq+ Syria ca. 0.5-2.5 million", the 2.5 million is way to high, and when I wanted to discuss them user:Chaldean said that it was you who came up with those numbers. This was the ref [1]. Thank you. The TriZ (talk) 15:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Hamlet's Mill

Any particular reason you commented out that Puhvel quote? --Gwern (contribs) 01:00 6 June 2008 (GMT)

the reason is WP:SYN: the passage tried to scrape a point out of a completely unrelated discussion in the source quoted. --dab (𒁳) 07:23, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't follow; one of the main criticisms of the articles was that the authors were relying heavily on wrong, coincidental, or tenuous linguistic similarities and etymologies - which is exactly what that quote pithily summarized. --Gwern (contribs) 02:37 7 June 2008 (GMT)

Merge article

Can you please merge Thuya into Tjuyu please? The merge tags have been on both articles since December 2007. Its a repeat article on the same person but the Tjuyu article is more substantial. Thank You, Leoboudv (talk) 06:26, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

why didn't you do it yourself? --dab (𒁳) 07:26, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry. I thought only Admins could merge articles preferably after a long discussion. But the merge tag had been on both articles for 6 long months and nothing was happening. I apologise for any inconvenience caused. Thank You, Leoboudv (talk) 10:21, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Egyptians

Could you please join the discussion at Talk: Egyptians\Religions, names? Certain editors are insisting on including Ancient Egyptian in the intro autonym and infobox language sections.--Yolgnu (talk) 09:57, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Copyright problems with Image:Stereographic Projection Northern Hemisphere.png

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Mannaz

Hi, dab. Regarding your quick reposting of the merge tag on the Mannaz page. I removed the tag because of consensus reflected on the Runic studies talk page. If you oppose, that does not help against the majority, please front your opinions on the correct page to seek a compromise. I would appreciate it a lot if you did not revert my edits when I have given very valid reasoning for my actions. I would rather prefer that you posted a message on my talk page telling that you disagree, instead of making an edit that could, in some cases, lead to an edit war. As I dislike heated articles and discussions, I will not revert your edit before we have talked this through. Have a good day, –Skadinaujo T•C 11:51, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

It is nearly a week since I posted the message above, and I would be happy to get an answer. Refraining from answering does not get rid of the issue. I will remove the tags without further conversation if you choose not to respond, I am fine with that. Qui tacet consentire videtur. –Skadinaujo T•C 14:00, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Patricianship

ie Patricians, but not the Roman ones. Any additions on the Swiss patrician classes very welcome, especially the nitty-gritty on how the constitutions which recognised a patrican class worked - or on anything else in the article. Thanks Johnbod (talk) 01:32, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Image:Stereographic Projection Northern Hemisphere.png

The image had been tagged as a copyright violation, and looking at the site it appeared to be a copyrighted image. Sorry for the mistake; I've restored the image and given it a more descriptive PD tag. (ESkog)^(Talk) 07:59, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Your view is requested

I was referred to you by User:Wikidas. Please take a look at my complaint about fringe theories and undue weight at Wikipedia:Fringe theories/Noticeboard.

My original explanation to Wikidas was as follows:

Could you please take the time to look at Kalki? It is currently (in his own words) guarded by Ghostexorcist. And I don't have the experience to know how to make changes that don't get reverted. These are my concerns about it. See if you agree.

1. An inordinate portion of the article is devoted to subjects tangential to the Hindu concept under the heading "Modern variations of the Kalki prophecy." I think this title itself is a contradiction in terms. What modern variation of the prophesy is there in Hinduism? It might read "modern interpretations" but Ghostexorcist will not allow even this to be discussed.
2. The way the section is put together it gives the impression that the views of one author Savitri Devi Mukherji that Adolf Hitler was Kalki is a part of Hindu thought. By excluding other similar silly notions he puts un-due focus to that one idea, making Hinduism look morally baron.
3. By having this Nazi allusion follow directly after Alejandro Biondini, a Nazi in Argentina, Ghostexorcist is de facto insisting on giving the Kalki concept a nazi connotation and I can't understand his motive.
4. Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view#Undue_weight holds that Wikipedia is not a repository for opinions that almost no one holds - such as that Hitler was Kalki - a view that apparently a single Hindu author who is now dead had. By insisting on having this rare opinion kept highlighted he gives the impression this is a genuine Hindu view by not saying it is not. This seems a clear case of "undue weight" as defined by Wikipedia.

What I was hoping is that you might know one or two experienced editors like yourself that could bring some weight to bear on that article. As it is it goes nowhere as all serious changes are reverted by Ghostexorcist who says he guards the article. Thank you for your time.

I have already replied at WP:FTN. I don't know about Alejandro Biondini, I have doubts about his notability too. I think you misunderstand WP:UNDUE: it does not state that "Wikipedia is not a repository for opinions that almost no one holds". For example, nobody believes in a flat Earth, and yet the topic still makes for a fascinating article. See also WP:TIGERS. Nobody here, I hope, believes that "Hitler was Kalki". It may still be interesting to document the idea, if sufficient notability can be established. A notion does not need to be widely held to be notable, otherwise most of our mythology articles would need to go. dab (𒁳) 16:25, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Well I see I may have misunderstood the policty. It should be called "Non-notable fringe theories." (: But thank you for your attention and clean-up. I think it is much better. I half expect Ghostexorcist to immediately put back Alejandro Biondini. But thank you for trying. Vedantahindu (talk) 16:44, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I never received an alert that my edits were being discussed on the fringe theory board. However, having learned of it, I have posted a few comments. Thank you for your comments concerning my edits. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 18:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Naming dispute

Would you care to explain the reason for your proposed merge or do you just plan to stick a template on the page? Wotapalaver (talk) 11:52, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I assume you refer to British Isles naming dispute. The reason is in my edit summary: {{Duplication}}. --dab (𒁳) 12:24, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I believe that you'll see, from other contributors, that your reasoning is not well understood. Perhaps more than an edit summary is needed. Wotapalaver (talk) 22:38, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Advice needed on how to create a disambiguation page

Bireme I think really should be a redirect to Galley#Biremes and Triremes, but on the page it says "

For the institutional acronym, see Latin American and Caribbean Center on Health Sciences Information.

" so I don't know what to do about that. Do you agree and how do I do it? Thanks,sorry if this is a pain. Doug Weller (talk) 12:31, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

You should use {{redirect}} on Galley. You will get "Bireme" redirects here. For other uses, see Bireme (disambiguation). --dab (𒁳) 12:35, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Iron pillar of Delhi

This page claims that the pillar formerly "served an important astronomical function". What's your opinion? --Ghirla^-трёп- 09:31, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

A matter of {{tone}} (and {{fact}}), I'd say. dab (𒁳) 11:50, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

So would I. Have you seen our page about Jiroft civilization? One has to be a crackpot to take that stuff seriously. --Ghirla^-трёп- 21:03, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Nice work on decrankifying the page! By the way, there's also an alleged Zayandeh River Civilization. --Ghirla^-трёп- 20:25, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

I know. I've prodded it. --dab (𒁳) 20:49, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of New World Encyclopedia

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Suddenly I'm a fascist

Is Linguistics on your watchlist? If not, it should be... things are getting amusing there. —Angr 19:35, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Linguistics, communication, and what amoebas call masturbation

This kind of discussion (for want of a better word) will go on forever if we let it. Should we continue to feed it? garik (talk) 17:16, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

ITN

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Majeston

He continues to call editors vandals in edit summaries,[2] what's your advice? Ignore him, or? Thanks. One other question--what do you think about using the phrase 'scholarly consensus' in a lead (I'm thinking of the [Walam Olum] article where it is pretty clear a scholarly consensus has developed since 1994). Doug Weller (talk) 13:44, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

"scholarly consensus" is a term often used in Wikipedia talkpage discussions. We need to avoid letting Wiki jargon seep into article space. If there is indeed a scholarly consensus, we can just state it in Wikipedia's voice, since this is what Wikipedia is built to reflect. If there is only a majority view, we can say "widely accepted" or "majority view". That we refer to scholarly discussion should be clear anyway (Wikipedia reports scholarly debate, not newsgroups chat, of course. Any non-scholarly "consensus" wouldn't even be worth mentioning. Majeston's edit warring should just be reverted. If there are enough sane editors, he will just keep running into 3RR. --dab (𒁳) 16:49, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Pro-American

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RajivLal (talk · contribs)

I know he has no case, but the sheer effort of reverting incessantly is tiresome. He will persistently assert that he has a case to create the appearence of debate. I've created a sockpuppet case, but of course he will just reappear in another persona asap. I don't know how to deal with this unrelentingly single-minded editing. Anyway, I'm off to Birmingham now. Paul B (talk) 10:08, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

We have WP:3RR precisely for this kind of people. If they can't accept they have no case, they can just be reverted. They run into the 3RR, and the more childlish type will then create sockpuppets, be found out, and be blocked, case closed. A small percentage actually wisens up and plays by the rules. These cases really should solve themselves one way or the other. Have a safe journey. dab (𒁳) 10:14, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

I admire your optimism. The case was closed two months ago [3]. Remember this? [4]. But he's so far still getting his way. (train delayed!) Paul B (talk) 11:33, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

If I was convinced RajivLal was Thileepanmathivanan (talk · contribs) I'd indef ban him without further ado. I can see Rajiv's first edit is suspicious[5], but are we sure it's the same guy? Maybe run another checkuser? If this is just another sock, this will become another "Ararat arev" case (revert-ban the next sock on sight until the troll gets bored). I can't see this is worse than the Armenian trolling, and that didn't do any damage in the long term. --dab (𒁳) 12:21, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi guys - I too have been following Rajivlal aka Padan aka DWhiskaZ with increasing frustration (his edit wars, his obsession with linking Mohammad to the Bhavishya Purana), and frustrated not least of all to discover that he has such a long, long history of sockpuppetry (see here for instance). Surely in extremely obvious cases like this there must be something more that can be done.Jak68 (talk) 20:03, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

dab, why isnt it possible to ban User:Padan for sockpuppeting as Rajivlal (which Paul Barrow noted the evidence for in his report, especially the tag team editing by the two on the Bhavishya purana page and others) and for being linked with DwhiskaZ (DWhiskaZ who WAS banned; and who also edited the same pages (the Bhavishya Purana page in particular), also originated from Univ of Toronto, and also spread the same message on the same article pages using the same sources (in both cases that of the ahmadiyya activist Abdul Haq Vidyarthi, whose fringe theory Padan/Rajivlal has inserted in 2 dozen articles so far and continues to do so.) Note also that User:Padan/Rajivlal has since "edited" another dozen articles (mostly inserting meaningless things like blank lines) in order to give the impression of diversity in his contribs, so now you have to go back into the history of the contribs to see the meaningful (and insistent edit wars) over the Bhavishya, which no doubt he will return to again as he had in the past. Jak68 (talk) 17:44, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

I am confident socks and master will be banned soon. There is an ANI thread and a checkuser request, and there will be results soon, no worries. dab (𒁳) 17:48, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi dab - fyi, rajivlal is continuing to freely edit the bhavishya purana page. I dont know what the timeline is like for the ANI and checkuser etc, but can you look into the status of this case? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jak68 (talk • contribs) 06:03, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Hinduism

Further information: oldest religion

I'm sorry for crossing your opinion Dab, but I don't see how my reinstating sources lead to the inevitable outcome of you placing a tag that is completely unjustified. Lets wait for the opinion of a third party before you place the tags. Trips (talk) 09:39, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I got an encyclopedia, a book specifically written on Hinduism, a primary source used by encyclopedias like Britannica, and national Geographic is reputed. The Bush analogy is totally irrelevant as these are as good sources as are required to support a very likely statement, and I'm not relying on popular opinion here.

Certainly some religions in remote areas are older, however Hinduism has survived the Semitic wave unlike the vast majority of these indigenous religions, and its worth noting that it is certainly 'one' of the oldest continuosly practiced religions. I don't see any scope for error here and its not an issue. The Vedas form the core of Hinduism, and if you reject the Vedas, you are not Hindu even today. The Vedas can be dated and therefore it is possible to judge Hinduisms age relative to other religions. Trips (talk) 11:32, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

what "Semitic wave"? You are not making sense. Please appreciate the points made. The Age of the Vedas dates Vedism, not Hinduism. dab (𒁳) 16:54, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

If your alternative account is User:Relata refero, then damn you do a lot of editing, take a breather once in a while Dieter. Probably User:Rudrasharman too aye. Trips (talk) 14:15, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

If you think Relata refero or Rudrasharman are my socks, I suggest you switch on your brain, or else make my day and submit a checkuser request. It is sad, rather, that users defending Wikipedia core policy have become so rare that they appear to be acting in unison or as meatpuppets of one another. OMG cabal!. The cabal keep a positive homepage up for everyone to see, the cheek! --dab (𒁳) 15:09, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Nah, Im pretty sure of it, even through WP, you can make out personalities and editing styles that are the same. Its likely you use three accounts with different watchlists for each. Hilarious how you awarded yourself a barnstar though. Trips (talk) 01:15, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

well, I deny all accusations. Please proceed to WP:RCU. dab (𒁳) 07:28, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Supriyya again

I thought you might be interested to know that she's back, and now seems to be trying to turn the linguistics section of the language article into a rival to the linguistics article. #sigh# I'm too busy today to do anything much about it. garik (talk) 14:26, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Image format

Do you know any format by which I can place the production of cigarettes graph at the end of the Effectiveness section in the article Anti-tobacco movement in Nazi Germany. I want to use the image at the end of the section, otherwise there remains a huge blank space. I tried to use <br></br> , but that results in a blank space between two paragraphs. I do not have enough skill on this, a change in the layout may improve the style. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 08:03, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I am not sure what you are trying to do exactly. If you omit the "thumb", the image will be inline,

there is also "gallery",

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  Production of cigarettes in Germany from 1932 to 1944.

--dab (𒁳) 11:25, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Dwaraka Kingdom

This page claims that the kingdom was "founded over 5,000 years ago" as "the brainchild of Krishna" and that "the ruins of ancient Dwaraka city were found under the sea following recent oceanographic studies". Your expertise is needed. --Ghirla^-трёп- 12:08, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

why is my expertise needed? It seems redundant to note that this is pure blatant nonsense. dab (𒁳) 13:21, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Your expertise is needed because in anything touching on India, when I see a ludicrous claim, I don't know how to change it for the better. It's the same with Tumulus culture (which I think looks rather strange) and Corded Ware culture (which cites the kurganization theory as "obsolete"). When I know what changes should be made I don't bother you. This is the case with Tyushtya. Still, I think you should take a look at the page if you want to have a good laugh tonight. --Ghirla^-трёп- 18:23, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

the question was rhetorical :) thanks for drawing my attention to this stuff. --dab (𒁳) 19:51, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

RfC for Race of Ancient Egyptians

An RfC has begun for this article and I noticed that you may have some interest in this topic so I thought that I'd let you know. Thanks.--Woland (talk) 19:01, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Reshep

Help! Dear Dbachman, Can you please sort out the major template clutter in the Reshep article? One of the 2 templates has to go but I don't which is more important. You would.

BTW, the final sentence at the bottom of this article states that "It is speculated that the character of Reshep is connected both to the Greek Apollo and to the Vedic Rudra" with a citation question mark attached. Unless there is evidence here, it may be someone's fringe/original theory and perhaps be deleted. You may know more on Reshep who seems to be a god in several places of the Near East. Regards, Leoboudv (talk) 07:33, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

• Thank you Dbachman for your cleanup of Reshep. I didn't know which template was more important and what information was legitimate and what was fringe on this deity. It was the worst example of template clutter, I've ever seen. Reshep was a very complicated article with many different incarnations in various parts of the Ancient Near East. Thanks also for the footnotes. Regards, Leoboudv (talk) 20:29, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

your edits

I suggest that you stick with the areas of your expertise, which is possibly extensive, instead of insisting on editing the articles on religion. It appears you have some strange views on religion, especially some forms of religion like for example Hinduism, which are complex subjects that are hard for people with little or no knowledge to comprehend. For these reasons a little knowledge is not much good, and is worst then no knowledge, and for you its better to stick closer to good sources, so that you will not come across as OR synthesizer. Wikidās ॐ 19:53, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

strange indeed. Lucky that I tend to back up my claims with academic references. You should do the same. You have created some decent articles on Hindu topics. If you can lay of the pious zeal and the antiquity-frenzy bullshit, your contributions can be useful. It is amusing to be called a "OR synthesizer" by someone who googles "oldest religion" and then gives an incoherent list on soundbites, never mind if it's "Hinduism for Dummies", hindutva.org, or the eminent Mr. Klostermaier. dab (𒁳) 20:35, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Apepi

Dear Dbachman, Could you please rename the article titled Apepi I to simply Apepi. There was only one Hyksos king Apepi/Apophis and he was succeeded directly by Khamudi, the last king of the Hyksos 15th dynasty. I tried to move it and gave this reasons "There was only one king Apepi/Apophis. He used 3 different prenomens in his reign: Auserre, Aqenenre and Nebkhepeshre" I gave academic citations for this claim. The move from Apepi I to Apepi was rejected and it suggested I contact an Admin. I am trying to change the title from Apepi I to Apepi so that other readers aren't confused into thinking there was an Aqenenre Apepi II, etc. Apepi I/Apepi simply used all these prenomens in his reign. This source by the Belgian Egyptologist Jacques Kinnaer chronicles Apophis' use of all three prenomens in his reign: [6] It shouldn't be a controversial move. Can you do this? Regards, Leoboudv (talk) 08:49, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I think the problem is Apep. Apepi needs to disambiguate. Maybe Apepi (pharaoh) or similar? --dab (𒁳) 09:25, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

• Apepi (pharaoh) is fine. Can you do this please? It would end the confusion over Apepi I and Apepi II permanently. Thank You. Leoboudv (talk) 09:33, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
• Thanks Admin Dbachman for your kind help in resolving the problem with Apepi. Regards, Leoboudv (talk) 03:01, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Linguistics

Hi. Are you really of the opinion that "The study of language today broadly falls under structuralist[1][2] and post-structuralist[3] schools of thought"? I don't see this as being a very important division (in fact, it's not clear to me that post-structuralism plays much part at all in linguistics), and I don't think many other linguists would either. garik (talk) 13:32, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

uh, yes, I'm sorry, my revert may have been ill-advised. I do think the lead I reverted to contains a listing of central sub-topics that would belong there, and which got lost in your revert, but I probably didn't ponder the precise phrasing well enough. Feel free to revert for now, and I'll try to get back to this with some more time on my hands later. Regards, dab (𒁳) 13:55, 3 July 2008 (

No worries. I agree that useful stuff was lost in the revert, and I generally think the article needs a lot of work. But I'm cautious of putting too much effort in for the moment in case the article gets dragged into another debate about posts-structuralism etc. But I've edited the introduction now to try and keep the best of both versions. But yes, at some point, it needs a proper overhaul. garik (talk) 14:02, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Problems on Chechen people

Not sure I feel good about dragging you into another of those conflicts, but a user keeps on insisting on inserting tendentious material in the Chechen people article. It's not a great page and I haven't had that much to do with it except the etymology section (which is what alerted me to the monkey business). Quite apart from the question of the reliability of the sources he's provided, I followed the link to one of the references he gave (in Russian, of course) and it didn't check out. In fact it seemed to come to quite the opposite conclusion of what he was claiming (see the talk page for some details). He hasn't been forthcoming with an explanation of how this happened. In spite of this, he keeps reverting. He's probably violated WP:3RR by now, but I don't want to take the chance. Check his user page for a further possible clue to what's going on here. Cheers. --Folantin (talk) 16:01, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

It's kind of under control at the moment (although his attitude was "I make a mess, you should clean it up"). --Folantin (talk) 17:27, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

He's back at it, replacing material I've begun to source with his own dubious, unverified stuff. (PS: There's also an unrelated fringy bit of folk etymology which another user is adding to the lead about "Nokhchi", the Chechen name for themselves, being derived from "Noah". See here for details [7]. Not a problem as such, but I've asked for proper sources). --Folantin (talk) 08:21, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Now at ANI for what it's worth [8]. --Folantin (talk) 09:56, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Paleo-Balkan languages

Is Greek generally included in "Paleo-Balkan"? Cheers. 3rdAlcove (talk) 21:06, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

European identity and culture

Hello dab. Your friend Muntuwandi has discovered European ethnic groups. He has now blanked the above section twice. I think you added it in the first place and he first claimed there was too much about America. I can no longer understand what he's trying to say. I wonder if you could help. Thanks, Mathsci (talk) 14:12, 4 July 2008 (UTC).

He has also completely replaced Origins of religion with his own personal version. Mathsci (talk) 15:39, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

hah. Muntuwandi. He's going to rewrite the article into a piece how the Europeans came over from Africa, back in the Cro-Magnon days. dab (𒁳) 15:47, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Ridiculous. Muntuwandi (talk) 15:59, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm glad you admit it. dab (𒁳) 16:47, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

FYI

Khazar II (talk · contribs) reverted your merging of Moksha people to Mordvins, see [9]. Khoikhoi 23:17, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Also see the numerous comments at Talk:Mordvins. Khoikhoi 23:27, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Dbachmann, please have a look at our discussion reg Mordvins. Article Mordvins cannot be finished. There is a contradiction. We have to discuss it and come to a conclusion to solve this problem. --Khazar II (talk) 21:05, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Apepi concerns

The creator of the image with the Apepi seal (Captmondo) has responded to your concerns about its authenticity here: [10] It does say Auserre Apepi. Leoboudv (talk) 05:04, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

• Um...If your concerns have been satisfied, perhaps you might consider removing the cited concerned footnote on the seal of Apepi (pharaoh)? Just an idea. I think what was inscribed on the seal was Auserre, not Apepi/Ippi. Leoboudv (talk) 20:43, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Mutuwandi and Manikongo

Check out Origin of religion. Mutuwandi got blocked for a month. Then, in his first edit since October, Manikongo reverts back to Mutuwandi's version piecemeal. Sockpuppet?--Berig (talk) 19:42, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Problem with Mordvins

My problems is you are just merging article Moksha (people) without saying a word no matter all information collected is lost. Why are you doing this? What is your problem? Pls comment--Numulunj pilgae 06:04, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Saw your comment at KhoiKhoi talk page. OK, pls suggest a way of discussing sources reliability, etc. Will continue on Mordvin(s) talk page. --Numulunj pilgae 07:45, 7 July 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Numulunj pilgae (talk • contribs)