User talk:Realist2

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Hello, if you are here it is most likely that you want to complain about me, my edits or my liberal values. If you are here to send me an image of a swastika, please, just leave it on my user page, the "You have a message" icon drives me mad. Alternatively you could add your name and racist quote/rant here for my future amusement. If you are a friend, welcome to my world, how can I help you? I'm incoherent when it comes to my messaging pattern, sometimes I reply here, sometimes at your talk page or sometimes at both. I archive my talk page manually, when it reaches about 60,000 bytes and I start to burn calories while scrolling. Please do not use racists, homophobic or sexist language on my talk page, I'm liberal after all.

If you would like to see me endure a Request for Adminship please follow this link for more details. All supports or comments are welcome. Regards.

Nice work!

Congrats on the MJ FA! Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:59, 28 July 2008 (UTC) (aka Mangostar)

Thank you kindly, I only worked out today that you had two accounts, lol. Cheers. — Realist² (Speak) 19:02, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I just saw your message on my page. The best way to find free images for recent subjects is to look through flickr. To start, it's easiest to look for photos that are already freely licensed, which you can do by selecting settings in "advanced search", which gives you these results. I haven't looked through all of them yet, but I'm not particularly optimistic that there will be much more, after looking through some of them. The next step is looking through non-freely-licensed images for good ones and asking the photographers if they would be willing to relicense them. (I'd say my success rate here is about 50%.) For Michael Jackson this is hard, because http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=michael+jackson comes up with 18,000 results. Most of them are people pretending to be Michael Jackson, copyrighted photos wrongly posted, and wax Michael Jacksons, but a few of them are the real thing. Looking through a couple pages of results I found this and this. I doubt that there will be anything better from the 1990s, because generally people only upload digital photos--it's much less common to see anything taken before 2000 or so. I'd have a look through the images and if you see any you'd like to request the author relicense, let know know. Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:09, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Comments on the images: the first is clearly a copyvio, so that doesn't work. The fourth is a photo of a television, so that doesn't work either (the copyright holder is the TV network, not the photographer). The middle two probably work. The Netherlands has generous freedom of panorama laws, so a photo of a work of art that is permanently located in a public space may be freely licensed. Do you know if this statue is intended to be there indefinitely, or if it was just a temporary installation? Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:53, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the slow response, I often get distracted. I also needed a bit of time to think over what to do, because if the sculpture was only there temporarily it doesn't come within the freedom of panorama provisions. I found another photo of the statue in 2008 (nonfree, linked from the image page), so I think this indicates with reasonable certainty that this statue is a permanent installation. Anyways with that assurance I cropped the photo and uploaded it as Image:Michael Jackson sculpture.jpg. Happy editing! Calliopejen1 (talk) 06:27, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

PS it's a good photo, but it probably isn't FP caliber. It's not that striking visually (crop is too tight, lighting is not quite ideal), and technically not fantastic either (there's some purple fringing around the edges of the statue, etc). Calliopejen1 (talk) 06:29, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Congrats. Your hard work finally paid off. I'm glad that you stuck in there. I hope you decide to stick around the FAC process and review other upcoming pages. You surely know a lot about what is good and what is bad in the FA process by now. Ottava Rima (talk) 23:30, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, there will be more nominations in the future. Cheers. :-) — Realist² (Speak) 01:31, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Congrats! I dunno if you saw that Wesley still had some unresolved issues, so hopefully you get those resolved for a better article. But great work! —Giggy 10:16, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Likewise, congrats. Which article will be next at FAC? — Wackymacs (talk ~ edits) 12:23, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Grats! I didn't notice. --Efe (talk) 12:31, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Cheers guys, I will be taking the Thriller album to FA next, not for a while though. — Realist² (Speak) 14:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Why? --Efe (talk) 03:38, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

With Michael as your biggest goal, it means that sub-Jackson topics are very easy for you to getting them reach an FA status. --Efe (talk) 03:46, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Good luck. Something I could help you with? --Efe (talk) 03:56, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Let's see if I can do a review. Im not really at reviewing these days. More on WikiHousekeeping. See my contribs. --Efe (talk) 04:07, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Not my type of topic. I only review music-related articles and leave others to other reviewers. --Efe (talk) 04:14, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, because we both love music. --Efe (talk) 04:19, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

I actually wanted to hear another "We Belong Together" and "Burn". =) --Efe (talk) 05:11, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Honorifics in popular music

I agree that the Notes section is unnecessary; it bears very little relation to the theme of the article and is bait for deletionists. Suggest you seek consensus one way of the other but the next Afd may not be so lenient ("Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information"..) --Rodhullandemu 16:54, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

74.68.132.134 a stalker?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/74.68.132.134

This anonymous user seems to be stalking me again, following me to pages I edit, threatening to block me, and reverting my edits (which I have sought consensus for on the talk pages) without discussion.

Please take a look at his edit history. He seems: a) obsessed with accusing people of being Keetoowah socks, and b) obsessed with undoing edits I make. END OF LIST.

He's an anonymous user with a history of bulk-reverting without a shred of discussion, and I don't like the fact that he's obviously stalking me (probably still thinking I'm Keetoowah). If his edit history had any constructive edits, or that 99% of his activity on here weren't focused on myself and Keetoowah, I'd just ignore him. But this user is obsessed and destructive and doesn't have the courtesy to register a name (and I know he's reading this...and why not? He obviously checks my contributions page for new material. Hi stalker!).

And I'm sorry to bother you with this, but you at least have some knowledge of this guy's history. Thanks. Ynot4tony2 (talk) 17:28, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Subtle suggestion

You might want to edit out support #4 sooner rather than later; if it's still in the recent history (eg, the month or so back that most RFA reviewers check) that will insta-fail any RFA run. – iridescent 15:38, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Lol, I completely forgot about that thing down there, it was meant more as a joke than anything, I don't actually expect 45 people to add their names to that god damn list. Nice to see you back at wikipedia. While you were away, look what I did to the Michael Jackson article. — Realist² (Speak) 15:48, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Well done on that. If you can keep it stable for a year, I imagine it's a shoo-in for the main page for the 30th anniversary of Off The Wall (or the release date of the new album if it ever appears); if so, he may join Israel as an exception to the "main page content is never protected" rule. – iridescent 16:08, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, I've had strong doubts about a new album any time soon. It's been talked about in tabloids since 2006 with no real confirmation. However, recently my opinion has started to change, a lot of artists are coming out saying "I'm working on MJ's new album", think about it, they have no reason to lie. We must wait and see. Really I'm not looking forward to it. Reviews will be unfair (they will concentrate on his personality), the media will call it a flop unless it beats the sales of Thriller (something that no1 will ever do). It will probably sell 7-10 million copies, huge in today's market, but the tabloids will spin it as a flop. As for the main page, I will strongly oppose it unless it has some form of protection. — Realist² (Speak) 16:19, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

I think it'll happen – he needs the money after recent events, and any putative comeback tour would make more sense with a product to promote – but I suspect it will be horribly bland (as with everything post-Dangerous). I'd guess the delays are down to the will-they-won't-they discussions about whether it's to be solo or a resurrected Jackson 5 and/or including Janet.

If it does go on the main page unprotected, I suspect the bulk of problems won't come from "he is a pervert" vandals, but from obsessive fans like this.

Incidentally, the 1980s section doesn't mention 2300 Jackson Street – is that intentional? – iridescent 16:35, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

I won't say bland, his biggest problem is that his recent albums have been too long (although this wasn't a problem on Dangerous). HIStory and Invincible had too many fillers, he should really keep it short and sweat, no songs to complain about. Still, his back-catalog outsells Prince and Madonna but the tabloids forget to mention this, a huge achievement considering his image problems, he has a strong fan base. I think a lot of people will buy it just to hear what he has to say, about his trial etc etc (he still hasn't really acknowledged the trial occurred). Lol, that link you showed me, I think that kid has a few issues. As for that 2300 album, MJ had such little involvement in it, it's not worth a mention. I will add it to the Jackson 5/Jackson's article (I plan to get that to GA at some point). — Realist² (Speak) 16:50, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

BTW, something that probably noone but me will notice but seems a bit odd (as you may have noticed, I tend to focus on niggling trivia); is the statement "The idea came to Jackson while working on the hit single "Say Say Say" with McCartney a few years prior" (about the Northern Songs purchase) accurate? Surely by the time of SSS they'd already have been familiar with each other from TGIM? Or was SSS recorded prior to Thriller and held back? – iridescent 21:05, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

OMG, that is a good point, I will add both songs in then no1 can complain, well spotted. — Realist² (Speak) 21:16, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Help with music sources

Hi there. I am writing an article, and what I've done so far is here: Book of Love (album). Unfortunately, since it's an old album, I am having a real hard time finding good sources. There's no 'limited preview' books listed in Google Books which mention the album or its singles, nothing substantial comes up when searching on Thomson Gale's databases, and dozens of web searches have not yielded much either. Searches on Rolling Stone and NME did not bring up anything. Do you know of where I can look to find some sources for this? I'd be most grateful if you have any ideas. Thanks, — Wackymacs (talk ~ edits) 06:14, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

You have two problems here, first, it is quite old, second, it wasn't very successful. More than twenty years later, it will be hard to find info. I will keep a look out though. — Realist² (Speak) 16:02, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Lol

You? Say something controversial? Never! Lol, you may have a point however. - Toon⁰⁵ 20:23, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Well I struck a cross through my comment, I don't want poor wiki to take the blame for my POV (even if i is a POV that a lot of people agree with). — Realist² (Speak) 20:38, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't really think that criticism from that tin-pot website holds much weight, I wouldn't worry too much. - Toon⁰⁵ 20:41, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Sleep R2, SLEEP!

Um...R2 it's 4:30 AM where you are!Sleep!--Xp54321 ^{(Hello! • Contribs)} 03:51, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

OK, in a minute, I promise. — Realist² (Speak) 03:49, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Its bad to your health. =0 --Efe (talk) 03:57, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

LGBT Project Banners

Hi, Realist! I saw the note (that you removed) from the WT:LGBT and thought I'd drop by with an explanation. I have been reviewing all the articles in Category:Unassessed LGBT articles, and assessing where appropriate. In my review, I've noticed a lot of articles where User:User0529 added the WikiProject banner, often with an "explanation" that "This person is an icon in the homosexual community." The discussion that's been going on at the project talk page leaves room for gay icons to be part of the project, but I don't believe *everyone* who has once been called a gay icon (eg: Superman) needs to be within the project.

If there are particular articles that you feel really ought to be part of the project, please bring them up - I'm fallible :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 03:58, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Error on your user page?

Hi, the date is actually to remind myself of the most important date associated with the article, for WP:TFA. So, that date would be the date of the discovery of the first noble gas; once the article is TFA, then I will change the date appropriately and link it. Cheers! Gary King (talk) 06:51, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

MJ

It's great to see you are maintaining the article and still working on it after it achieved FA status. — Wackymacs (talk ~ edits) 12:34, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh yes, there is always room for improvement. (-: — Realist² (Speak) 12:37, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Coaching

I was a little confused there for a second when the header on your note on my talk page was "Couch" instead of "Coach", but I got the gist of it after the first sentence. Anyway, I have begun a new method of coaching, I call it "Editor Coaching" instead of "Admin Coaching". Basically it just takes a different angle. I just finished up coaching User:Gears of War, so we can proceed with editor coaching whenever you would like. You can see what we did here. Useight (talk) 23:01, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good. Just let me know when you want to start. Useight (talk) 23:35, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Dude

You have become a Wikipedia MACHINE since I stopped editing. I think all our arguing held you back! (The Elfoid (talk) 03:51, 6 August 2008 (UTC))

Hehe, I'm glad we "argued", you taught me a lot about NPOV. — Realist² 03:54, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Rights

I have a signed photograph of shaking Mj's hand but id rather not upload the image, well preferably not, I look odd in it. Gaogier ^{How can I help?} 09:10, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Déjà Vu (Beyoncé Knowles song)

Hello Realist. Im bringing "Déjà Vu" to the FAC room sometime this month. Maybe you have some comments for improvement. Thank you. --Efe (talk) 11:33, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I will certainly take a look later today for you. — Realist² 14:12, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. --Efe (talk) 04:03, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, been away from Wiki for 24 hours, I will get to it later today. — Realist² 19:20, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the edits. --Efe (talk) 08:17, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

And for the comments on the talk page. Responded Sir. --Efe (talk) 09:24, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

reply

I'm guessing about 2006 it's recent I need to check date exactly by ringing a friend. Gaogier ^{How can I help?} 14:21, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

he's wearing a funny t-shirt with divinchi's 4 arm guy with wings, its strange, you won't understand what I mean, the back of the t-shirt also said things are not always as they seem in small almost hidden letters, I wasn't sure the rest was important but he was also wearing some black pants and a *ugly* brown silk/velvet coat. Gaogier ^{How can I help?} 23:45, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Don't get BRAINWASHED

I'm a former Acquaintance of Sarah Hudson (singer) and I absolutely love her new band Ultra Violet Sound. Listen to Brainwashed...its one of the greatest songs ever!

“ I wanna be a celebrity so YOU will be obsessed with me! You'll sweat my style- want my man- take my picture whenever you can. I'm gonna get me a famous face, and I'm gonna do whatever it takes! Botox! Collagen! Plastic Surgery! Loose more weight then everyone will love me! B-B-B-BRAINWASHED ”

The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 05:16, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations

Great job on the MJ article! You're freaking awesome dude; you really turned that one around. I hope your future holds many more FAs, on top of other great things. Thanks again!UberCryxic (talk) 08:00, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

IP range and a little something for your efforts

I'll have someone look at those IP ranges; unfortunately I don't understand range-blocks, nor would I know how to implement them. The Meta page goes over my head somewhat! I also noticed today that Michael Jackson was a FA, and I just wanted to congratulate you on your supreme efforts with that page over the last year or so. You've probably had loads of these, but I just wanted to offer my own. Great work! PeterSymonds (talk) 03:06, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		For getting Michael Jackson to featured article status, a little something to show how much the hard work is appreciated! PeterSymonds (talk) 03:06, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Please do, that IP range is arbitrarily changing genres without so much as edit summaries or talk page reasoning. He has been at it for months. Unfortunately it took me a long time to catch on and notice it was all coming from the same place. He won't stop unless he's forced, he's been doing it at the "Loose (album)" for months. When an article is protected he comes back when the protection ends. Thank you for the BarnStar, much appreciated, I have more FA articles in the works. :-) Let me know what happens with this IP stuff if anything. Cheers Peter. — Realist² 03:15, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

List of artists who reached number one in the United States

Looks good to me - much better title. Yes, I saw the article/link you sent - I wouldn't say that they "scrubbed him off the list".... they're celebrating the Hot 100's 50th anniversary so I think for the sake of being accurate they aren't counting pre-Hot 100 stats. Most historians would still credit Presley with 17, which is fine when looking at the bigger picture of the Rock Era. Anyhoo, thanks for moving the page. - eo (talk) 16:22, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, MCarey will prob eventually overtake the Beatles (sadly..... personally I cannot stand to even look at her, much less listen to her "music"). Would rather someone like Madonna do it, although I don't think that will ever happen. Ah well, such is life. - eo (talk) 17:05, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Edits

Hey there, I noticed your edits in Déjà Vu (Beyoncé Knowles song) and your edits are clogging up the page history. Can you try to make all the edits in one edit? Or at least cut down on the number of edits you make every few minutes. Thanks. DiverseMentality^{(Discuss it)} 19:43, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

The Supremes FAR

I'd appreciate if you give this another look and give your openion. My bribe is this brilliant and amusing clip. ( Ceoil ^sláinte 22:13, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Great. It was a long one, but I think it could do with a ce yet. Problem is that when you are so close to an article you cant see the wood from the trees. Any interest in rewording? ( Ceoil ^sláinte 22:39, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

No worries. When ever. ( Ceoil ^sláinte 22:53, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Michael Jackson

Hello Realist2. Thank you for your contributions to the article Michael Jackson. You've made more than 2500 edits to that article. Great job! Would you like to become an admin? Regards, Masterpiece2000 (talk) 09:04, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Hello, hmm, yes at some point I would, but at the moment I still have a few articles to build that will take up quite some time. Thank you for your comment regarding MJ. — Realist² 14:21, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Song title capitalization

I just did that so it would match the other tracklists that had Give In To Me, Black Or White, etc... But now I've done it the other way around, so that all the "or", "the", "in" and similar words in all tracklists appear in lowercase. Thanks for the offer to join the Michael Jackson WikiProject, but I don't think I'd have the time to do it. - Aphasia83 (talk) 16:00, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

• Ah, so the "In" shall be capitalized. Didn't know that. - Aphasia83 (talk) 16:03, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
• I'm sure a song will be added to the final UK tracklist, most likely the "Thriller Megamix", seeing as it's included on all the other editions.- Aphasia83 (talk) 17:09, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

A different straw poll on Talk:The Beatles

It would be easy to overlook because there are now two polls going at the same time. The newest one is here. Thanks. Ward3001 (talk) 16:46, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

D.S.

I've not ever done an audio sample, no. Sorry. Nice work on D.S., though, the section headings and rearranging have made a big difference. Perhpas you might consider changing your vote?:) --Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:23, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

GA would be great! I'll see what I can dig up. --Pawnkingthree (talk) 09:02, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

I do have the album, on CD, but I haven't looked at it for a while. Does the booklet not give a track-by-track credit listing? That's annoying. Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:25, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Kodster Returns!

Damn, look what I missed! I responded to your comment on my talk page, so feel free to give it a look. Anyway, I'll just say again that I'm glad to be back, it's great being here, blah blah blah. I guess I'd better check my watchlist, make sure you didn't get into any trouble! ;-) Anyway, just wanted to give you a heads-up that I'm back in black! Cheers, bud. Kodster ^{(heLLo) (Me did that)} 19:19, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

AN reply

Hello. I've replied to your comment on WP:AN. Once again, my apologies for being too heavy handed and more so for not discussing it with you first, especially since the article is such a good one. Keep up the good work. Craigy (talk) 10:33, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm suprised you don't already have this particular star.

		The Excellent Userpage Award
		Your userpage is one of the best I've seen yet. I am sure you take great pride in it, looking at all the coding involved, it's all french to me! Therefore I have no regrets in awarding you this barnstar! A ProdigyTalk 09:07, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Cheers, replied at your page. :-) — Realist² 15:46, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

"Cheers, were you talking about my current signature? I've had others and mines only been like this for a few weeks. — Realist2." I'm sorry but I don't quite follow, I was talking about your userpage. I didn't refer to your signature anywhere. Or did you infact mean to say userpage instead of signature? A Prodigy^Talk 19:45, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

He he, no problems. I'm still suprised you didn't get this award earlier from some other keen observer! A Prodigy^Talk 19:56, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for recommending him! I had been pondering ever since I joined, the question of how I could make my userpage any good. Let alone how I could bear letting others see it XD. A Prodigy^Talk 20:10, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

"Mariah" - Response

Here's the source. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,353538,00.html On my talk page you stated "Provide me with a reliable source for mariah being called the queen of pop." Now that I have, it would be very nice if you would fulfill your part of the agreement and, "happily help write a strong paragraph for/with" ME. ---¤÷(`[¤*M*¤]´)÷¤- 17:41, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

For once, something from me unrelated to Huggle, problem users, or Michael Jackson

Am I right in thinking that you speak fluent Latin-American Spanish? Be warned that if you say yes, you may well be pestered into source-checking on Elena Roger when I get around to rescuing it from its current fancrufty state. (I'm not surprised the en-wiki article is so poor; I'm extremely surprised the es-wiki version is). – iridescent 20:25, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Well there are many different varieties of spanish amongst the sub cultures, but generally I can get my head around most of them. It shouldn't be a problem. — Realist² 20:31, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

My first gay bashing on wikipedia

I'm so proud The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 03:04, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Changed

Wow. You have CHANGED. Man I just don't have time for Wikipedia. All I do is Quantum Mechanics and what-not Mechanics.. Hope to be back some day.. Σαι ( Talk) 05:15, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Man, everyone is leaving wikipedia on the MJ project, we won't have many editors at this rate. :-( See the wikiproject talk page :-). — Realist² 05:18, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Did MJ become a FA? Σαι ( Talk) 05:22, 15 August 2008 (UTC)