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Review now Isaac Brock Review now Mariah Carey Review now Concerto delle donne Review now Articles on Quackademic Medicine Below are articles articles, mostly medical but some in the sciences, that promote ideas or POV's that might endanger human life. Feel free to add your own, but I'm watching and cleaning up these articles. Please sign if you add something. List of medicinal herbs-lacks any references, and implies these drugs can help.Orangemarlin 00:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC) Herbalism-same as above Orangemarlin 00:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC) Homeopathy-ridiculous Orangemarlin 00:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC) Attachment therapy-don't let your children go there Orangemarlin 00:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC) This has been rewritten since User:AWeidman (Dr Becker-Weidman) and his 6 socks were indef banned. Fainites barley 16:45, 11 November 2007 (UTC) Medicinal plants of the American West-more unsourced POV edits Orangemarlin 00:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC) Alternative medicine-more of the same Orangemarlin 00:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC) Naturopathic medicine-Actually not completely off the wall, but some parts are bad. Orangemarlin 00:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC) Er, Duesberg hypothesis and poppers could both use more work, and talk about endangering lives... especially the former. MastCell Talk 18:54, 12 September 2007 (UTC) I'd also add ephedra to the list... I did a lot of work cleaning it up and it's not so bad anymore (it actually references the serious harms and deaths associated with ephedra supplements in a way that goes beyond referring to the FDA as jackbooted thugs, now). But much of the same material is duplicated in ECA stack, which I haven't been as successful with, and which I fear gives an erroneous impression as to the safety record of ephedra-containing dietary supplements. MastCell Talk 19:20, 12 September 2007 (UTC) Arguably, Reflexology, though that's probably not actually dangerous, just ridiculously oversold. Adam Cuerden talk 00:51, 13 September 2007 (UTC) Vaccine controversy. Anti-vaxers are really dangerous. -- Fyslee / talk 08:27, 20 November 2007 (UTC) Hulda Clark. A dangerous scam. -- Fyslee / talk 08:27, 20 November 2007 (UTC) This one has been stable in reasonable shape for awhile now. MastCell Talk 19:22, 3 July 2008 (UTC) Gary Null. Advocates nonsense. -- Fyslee / talk 08:27, 20 November 2007 (UTC) Working on this one. MastCell Talk 19:22, 3 July 2008 (UTC) Joseph Mercola. Advocates nonsense and repeated run ins with the FTC. -- Fyslee / talk 08:27, 20 November 2007 (UTC) rebirthing, reparenting, Power therapies. Primal Scream therapy. I would treat Neurolinguistic Programming as the main hub for many of them though. Its a subject that seems to be the main pseudoscientific umbrella that is used by most of them to give the false impression of scientific appearance. Its incredibly widespread and extremely misleading to the less scientifically literate. Here is a good source; [1]. Phloem (talk) 05:33, 26 November 2007 (UTC) anyone who wants to work on this complex of article, I'll be glad to help. Time we got to the pseudo-psychology. DGG (talk) 21:18, 21 January 2008 (UTC) try Eisner in The death of psychotherapy, Chapter 3 "Cathartic Therapies:From Primal to est". A little out of date but .... Fainites barley 22:20, 16 March 2008 (UTC) coral calcium. I just put in some references, but there is a lot more that can be done. That someone would think that coral calcium can be used as a panacea for all types of cancer when in fact excess calcium can, in some cases, be detrimental to certain cancer treatments means that we should be very careful how the claims of the coral calcium fanatics are treated. ScienceApologist (talk) 21:38, 12 January 2008 (UTC) This is pretty much fixed, at least until the next SPA... MastCell Talk 19:22, 3 July 2008 (UTC) Mannatech. An article about a company that purveys sugars, calling them health products (glyconutrients). Antelantalk 02:39, 7 April 2008 (UTC) I tried on this, & only very partially succeeded. DGG (talk) 19:34, 2 June 2008 (UTC) Magnet therapy and Alex Chiu. You've got to be kidding. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 14:16, 11 June 2008 (UTC) Prostate cancer#Ejaculation frequency I'm sorry, but this just cracked me up. I need to read the references, but my side hurts. Juvenile, I am. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 06:07, 18 June 2008 (UTC) Medical Articles Below are articles that I believe, along with any trusted science and medicine editors who may wish to contribute, meet the simple test of being well-written, do not give undue weight to fringe theories, and are either WP:GA or WP:FA: Alzheimer's Disease Rotavirus Request for Arbitration If you are here to read about all of the Wiki-drama surrounding the secret hearings (so secret that no one on the ArbCom knew about them apparently), you can read it here. No editing allowed. One day this will be funny. I hope.

Warning

As of this post, you've made 11 posts to my talkpage, and the day is only have over. Using my superior math skills, my unsurpassed intelligence, my intuitive fashion sense, my tasteful sports loyalties, and my infinitely better physical appearance, I've extrapolated that at current pace, you'll have singlehandedly made more edits to my talkpage, today, than I have. Which, of course, is prima facie evidence that you need this warning. Keeper ǀ 76 17:55, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm now officially declaring myself a Vandalizing Keeper76's page account. However, I am going to have a secret meeting with myself, and declare some sanctions of Keeper76. This should only take 2 or 3 minutes. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 18:19, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

MedRevise.co.uk

Hey, I thought you might be interested in this, since you are medically active! With a colleague I have set up a Medical Revision website, called MedRevise.co.uk. It is not trying to compete with Wikipedia, but trying to be something else useful, different and fun. If you are interested, please read our philosophy and just have a little look at our site. I would appreciate your feedback, and some contributions if you have the time. Thanks a lot! MedRevise (talk) 18:19, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks ...

... for this -- the editor, who is almost certainly User:Firefly322, no more knows when to give up than (s)he knows how to write good prose. I therefore consciously err on the side of caution, rather than allow my frustration to inadvertently drag me into an edit-war. You may find Issues in Science and Religion an interesting example of this editor's unique editing style. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk 18:31, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

query

[2] Did you intend to revert me? 86.44.27.255 (talk) 00:43, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely. That was not a personal attack on any editor (It's like saying the "Yankees Suck"). It does not violate ANY guidelines outlined in WP:TALK. I have a singular policy about user or article talk. No censoring, unless it is very specifically a personal attack. Don't censor is my advice to you. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 00:47, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

And please, don't take what I did as any type of criticism. The statement about Republicans was probably not necessary, but it did not have to be deleted. You may ask the editor who posted it to delete it (which is what I do, depending on the editor, in either or a nice or not so nice way.)OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 00:52, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

(ec) Okay, that's your call. But three specific editors had already opposed, it seemed clear to me that therefore "It's pointless to propose anything as long as the Republicans have their little dwarves around here to vote in mass against" refers to them. Having this kind of talk is going to lead to flame wars, bad faith, acrimony, as well as influence others into thinking this kind of discourse is acceptable, with similar consequences. I don't see how that leads to editing an article well, and in this specific case, the talk page is almost impractically busy enough without it. 86.44.27.255 (talk) 00:56, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, I long ago learned if you talk like that, you convince no one of anything. You ignore it. And really, we don't vote around here. It's forming a consensus. Kind of different thing. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 01:06, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm well aware of what we do around here, no idea why you're telling me that. Also I made no point that the comment may convince anyone. I did make the point that it was obviously a personal attack on the three editors who already opposed - that's got nothing to do with the rights and wrongs of the formatting of the section - and the point that it and your reversion of it likely hurts editing of the article. *shrug* 86.44.27.255 (talk) 01:14, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Please don't take offense. I didn't check out your contributions, I just see you're an IP. You used the word "vote", and I wanted to disabuse you of that particular train of thought. I doubt my reversion does anything of the nature. We shouldn't censor. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 01:17, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Don't think I used the word vote anywhere, OM, except to quote our admin friend of anti-rightwingmidgetshill fame. 86.44.27.255 (talk) 01:49, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

No offence was taken, btw, just some mild irritation that you had not been editing the page at a time when it was technically difficult to do so before dropping in, i think. I realize you were being friendly above.

On the wider point, having seen the Ossetia war talk page before this, i think there is a case for somewhat aggressive attempts to communicate an acceptable level of discourse on pages that a) are being read and edited by new users, and b) do not have the space for nonsense. I was not making it here, but the idea did inform my sole edit in this area, since i'm one of those guys who is not an enforcer or quoter of civility or personal attacks policies in any other context. But perhaps in contentious fast-moving contexts there is all the more danger of gaming and tactics and edit-warring being carried over into attempts to clerk, leading to even more fun! 86.44.22.206 (talk) 18:41, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

I've been reading that page, just out of interest. The edit warring there is beyond belief. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 19:36, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

OrangeMarlan prefers to revert, not collaborate. Preceeding signed by: Bnaur Talk 02:59, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Mediation Cabal

You've been included in a case at the Mediation Cabal, Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-09-02 Relationship between religion and science. Feel free to put your two cents in. JeremyMcCracken (talk) (contribs) 20:44, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

You misunderstood me there- the user who filed the MEDCAB accused some of the users of being on a "crusade" against them. I was trying to get them reassurance that the other editors were simply of like mind, not a roving gang. My apologies for the confusion. JeremyMcCracken (talk) (contribs) 22:16, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Ah. We've worked together on articles, and have each other's talk pages on our watchlists. Haven't sent armies to the Holy Land or murdered any of its inhabitants lately. . . dave souza, talk 22:21, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

I've been vandalizing User:Keeper76's page with several other editors. But seriously, there are a very large number of related articles that several devoted editors watch. Is the assumption that we divvy up articles, each editor only editing a few? Or instead, isn't amazing that a lot of smart, devoted, articulate and rational editors find the time and energy to edit these articles? And if someone seriously looks at my contributions, you'd see my editing overlaps with medical editors, science editors, and, in some odd places here and there, history, warfare, baseball, hockey,.....and it goes on and on. Am I in a cabal or "roving gang" in any of those places? I don't think so. Maybe the point is that there are anti-science editors who lack any support for their POV, so without any intellectual backing, they attack a "cabal". We should ignore them. And in the case of this particular mediation, the editor who requested it ought to take an English writing course, instead of causing this dramafest.OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 01:25, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Speaking of drama, there's been a wee stushie at AN which, in my hopeful opinion, has led to reasonably wide agreement on the way forward.[3] .. dave souza, talk 17:46, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

True Blood

New vampire series on HBO in the US. I watched the first episode, and it's intriguing, though I'm not sure where the story is going quite yet. Anna Paquin stars in the show, and I believe she's from your part of the planet (meaning generally, not Oz itself). Anyways, I'm not sure when it hits TV in Oz, but you might find the story compelling. I'm not giving it 5/5 stars yet, but having vampires live in public amongst humans is really an interesting premise. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 15:59, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

I read the book of this which was rather fun. Interesting. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:09, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Fungus. Vampires. Psychiatry. You're one strange dude.  :) OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 21:22, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

I watched 15 minutes of the show last night. Anna Paquin, is um, well. She's hot. No other way to say it on wiki, per BLP. As for the show, it sucked. (pun intended). Keeper ǀ 76 21:26, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Anna Paquin is hot???? Huh? What are you smoking up there in the Land of 10,000 Lakes? As vampire movies go, Kate Beckinsale in Underworld and Underworld: Evolution is hot. Anna Paquin was marginally interesting in Almost Famous and in The Piano, but hot isn't a word I'd use. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 21:30, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

BTW Cas, I just watched Doomsday on video. Meh. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 21:34, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

You mean this one? Hmm, Dog Soldiers (film) was fantastic but The Descent has to be one of the worst films I have ever seen. Well, that's a sample size of two so I will be 150% better informed after I see that one....Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:04, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

I have to say that the pilot of True Blood was awful. I cannot stand bad fake Southern accents. MastCell ^Talk 17:54, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Hear hear! It reminded me of Joey trying to sound I-talian. Keeper ǀ 76 17:57, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Remember Anna Paquin is a New Zealander. She's doing the NZ version of a southern American. And also she needs some dental work.  :) I didn't mind the pilot. I'll see if it develops. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 18:02, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Dental work? Why might that be? I dunno - it's no Deadwood, and probably not even a Big Love. MastCell ^Talk 18:24, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Oooh, now Big Love, there's a show I can sink my teeth into. (G-dam, I cannot stop the vampire lame jokes). Big Love has a fascinating premise, makes you think. If you are a manslut, and you impregnate lots of girls, you are the man. A stud even. And probably a deadbeat. (Think Maury quality). But if you marry each of the girls, provide them with food, shelter, morals, money, and stability, then you are a felon. Gotta love the double standard. BTW, Jean is my triple, nay, quadruple, horn (y). Keeper ǀ 76 18:32, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

I enjoy Big Love because I lived in Utah for way too long. The takeaway for me is that having one wife is annoying, having several is more annoying. I pretty much destroys any male fantasies I might have for having several gorgeous wives at the same time. I'm cynical. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 19:01, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I understand, I'm married. I love my wife dearly, but I cannot even begin to fathom the lengthiness of the "Honeydew list" if I were to multiply the marriage licenses. That wasn't my point. Keeper ǀ 76 19:18, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

I understood. You were making a social commentary about essential hypocrisy of it all. I see that, I just watch him getting nagged by three women at once. That does it for me! And a thumbs up on Ms Tripplehorn too. I saw her in a Starbucks this summer when they were filming the show (I happen to live near where both Big Love and Weeds are filmed--I've yet to run into Mary-Louise Parker). OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 20:17, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Weeds was good the first season, after that, how do you say, jumped the shark???. Jeanne is frickin hot. The other wives, not so much. Either too young (as in wife #3), or two skirty/braidy (wife #2). Barb Hendrickson rocks my world though... Keeper ǀ 76 20:31, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Next you're going to tell me that she looks like Sarah Palin. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 20:37, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

This is a much better thread, for hobby-sake, than the one directly below. Jeanne does not look like Sarah Palin. Jeanne doesn't wear glasses. That's blasphemy for you to say, it's like saying Clark Kent looks like Superman, when, obviously, they look nothing alike. Keeper ǀ 76 20:40, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

OK, now that you guys are discussing which of Bill Henrickson's wives is the hottest, there is officially no difference between this and my day job. I saw Jeanne Tripplehorn on Broadway waaayy back in the day; she played one of the Three Sisters (I think it was Masha). Good stuff, but then I'm a pushover for Chekhov. MastCell ^Talk 21:10, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Wait a minute. We went from talking about a marginal vampire TV show to Chekhov? I always preferred Sulu. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 22:06, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

You know, I used a quote from Ward No. 6 in a talk I gave awhile back, and I felt compelled to mention that I was quoting the Russian playwright and not the helmsman of the starship Enterprise. Isn't that sad? MastCell ^Talk 23:18, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

LOL. I wouldn't doubt it, except most individuals now think the helmsman of the Starship Enterprise is Data. Which makes me feel old. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 23:28, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

And Seven of Nine trumps everyone mentioned above. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 23:29, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

This thread hurts my brain. Too many colons. OM, you "claim" to be in the medical field. Any advice you're wiling to give to remove my colon(s)? Keeper ǀ 76 01:24, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

←This should work. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 01:46, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Dont' go overboard...

here. (aka - choose your battles) It's winding down. Both sides seem to be coming together amicably. Don't blow on the embers of the former flames please? Keeper ǀ 76 20:10, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Hrafn is being attacked by a group of POV pushers. This place is out of hand. I'm still pissed about the other comment I dropped on your page. Since I've chosen to ignore the immature rantings, I need to stand up for others who are getting hosed (not sure if that's Minnesotan or Canadian) in this project. But I'll lay off.OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 20:21, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

I completely understand your frustration, and I personally think it is justified. However, don't give "the other side" anything to link back to (in, or out of, context). Let the WQA die out on its own. No need to stoke. Keeper ǀ 76 20:29, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

In the past I've argued vociferously for deletion of WP:WQA as actively harmful to the project. I have seen nothing to make me change that assessment. Commenting at WQA only justifies its unjustifiable existence. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 20:31, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Maybe you should give Hafrn the same advice? Both of you? I think he's really pissed about this whole situation. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 20:38, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

(e/c re to basil)I completely agree that WQA is completely useless as a form of "dispute resolution". It only provides a place to release steam against someone else, usually one-sided, and almost unanimously without results (aka a block, admonishment, etc). It's almost as useless as RFC. That said, it is a goldmine for finding diffs to "fight your enemies" in escalated arenas, whichever side of a dispute you happen to land yourself on. I've been the subject of a WQA myself. It's icky and embarassing. It worked itself out okay, but had it not, what were the repercussions? Nothing, dare I say. Nothing. Keeper ǀ 76 20:39, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

This was just stage 1.[4] WP:NAM springs to mind :) dave souza, talk 20:56, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Literally and figuratively

In case you had any doubt, the Department of the Interior really has been in bed with the oil industry for the past 8 years. MastCell ^Talk 23:33, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Hell, I've been doing that for years. The Pharmaceutical Industry has been supplying me with money, wine, and sex, allowing me to retire with a villa in Tuscany. I get a new Ferrari for every 10 articles that I clean up removing all mention of Alternative Medicine. If I had known, I would be doing the same for the oil industry. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 23:46, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

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Multiple sclerosis

I have rewritten the genetics section. I have simplified it a lot, first because it can be more easily read as it is right now but second because my genetics knowledge is not very good. However I believe that now covers in a NPOV most important facts about genetics in the disease without much overlapping with the epidemiology section. Would you take a look at it? If I have time I will attack the other parts of the section next week.--Garrondo (talk) 13:51, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Guido

I've just put a comment here. I have tried to work with him, but it's just impossible. If the problem isn't sorted by tomorrow I think I'll start a thread on the administrators notice board about him. --Sciencewatcher (talk) 22:37, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Mango's response to my suggestion was less than helpful. But I agree that AN/I might be the next step. Many of these articles were peaceful until Guido's return. Also, I'm a bit confused. I thought he was blocked (before the NLT block) for edit-warring in these specific articles. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 00:39, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, have a look at Guido's block log and you'll see he's been blocked for edit warring 5 times, and for legal threats another few times. 3 of the blocks say he was edit warring on CFS, and I think one or two of the others were also on CFS. I'm going to make an attempt to work with him, but if it doesn't work I'll post a new section in the admin's page. --Sciencewatcher (talk) 14:31, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I just don't understand this place. GdB can be helpful to the project, but his editing degenerates into edit-warring quickly. He files frivolous complaints when things don't go his way, or he makes legal threats. How many chances do we expect he gets? Another 8 or 9 blocks? He has used up AGF long ago. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 14:44, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

3RR assistance

Thank you! I'll try it out next time. Most wiki-stuff has been fairly straightforward, but the 3RR report template is a headbanger, heh! cheers, --guyzero | talk 09:05, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I find some of the wiki-stuff to be so complicated. I have three screens going from my computer, cutting and pasting to get something done right. If you look on my user page, I have some helpful links to things I've discovered. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 14:28, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks to your info, I was able to easily file my first 3RR (actually, a 15RR(!) [5]) on an article that really needs it this morning, thank you! regards, --guyzero | talk 18:21, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I'll send the bill to your email address. Please pay within 15 days.  :) OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 18:22, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I just looked up your report. That would have taken an hour without the tool. I'm doubling my bill. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 18:24, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

SO I went looking, and saw, and thought, "Oh I'll try the nth edit one." And lo, my 15k edit is me fixing a horrid grammatical error (of mine own, mind you.) [6] I don't think I'll forgive you anytime soon. KillerChihuahua^?!? 18:30, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

What tool? Keeper ǀ 76 18:43, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, you're a tool. But that's beside the point. It's the 3RR tool. See my user page. I have a collection of cool tools that help out editing. You know what editing is? Do you? OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 18:46, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh and I think he was talking about the milestone tool, not the 3RR tool. Since I had a post about it and all. Maybe not though. KillerChihuahua^?!? 18:49, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

You're right. Milestone tool.OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 18:51, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

(e/c)3rr tool is useless to me, I just block em. What's the milestone tool? That's the one I was talking about, as I thought was obvious by my colon-ized reply to killer chihuahua, who obviously was not talking about such non-adminny trivialities like 3rr reporting..Keeper ǀ 76 18:52, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I keep forgetting that you're a lazy ass. Of course, you'd never use the 3RR tool. Just try the milestone tool. It's kind of useless, as things go around this project, but fun. You can find your nth edit on this project. Like my 1000th edit. I haven't a clue why I was editing that article. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 18:56, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Following KC's lead, I checked my 15000th. (yes, I have that many...). It would have to be to my own talkpage. Dammit. The world is cruel and relentless....I'm wondering how many random nths I'd have to try before I found a mainspace diff.... Keeper ǀ 76 18:58, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

And it mentions the mysterious admin paycheck.OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 19:00, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

There is no admin paycheck. Actually there is. It's exactly a million times greater than your editor paycheck. Keeper ǀ 76 19:01, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Wow. I've heard it said that you pay $5.00 for GA's and $10.00 for FA's, that means you make a lot. And underpay us editors. (BTW, you're not going to win, especially if I have to keep seeing that damn orange banner at the top.)OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 19:07, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm just trying to make sure that your 20,000th edit is to your own talkpage, or perhaps more statistically feasible, mine. Be careful, you're getting close to Keeper zone, you only have 42 percent mainspace, along with 32% usertalk. Heh. Myspacer. (of course, my usertalk and my "Wikipedia:" edits are both higher than my mainspace....) Keeper ǀ 76 19:15, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

(It should also terrify you that, according to the above linked SQL report, you've made 102 edits to User talk:Keeper76. Keeper ǀ 76 19:17, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

It's interesting that the User talk list would indicate that whatever "cabal" I belong to, it's an odd one. And of course, my article edits indicate that I actually contribute useful articles to this project. You know what you have done? Pissed me off about this cabal bullshit again. Now I have to drink and take a few valium. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 19:20, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

You know, when the pill bottle says: "Alcohol may intensify the effect of this medication," it's meant as a warning, not a suggestion. MastCell ^Talk 19:42, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

L. O. L. Keeper ǀ 76 19:43, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

And the point is what? LOL. Kind of like ED medication with a black box warning that "if your erection lasts longer than 4 hours, please see your physician." Every guy is thinking, "give me 10." OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 19:47, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Clearly you haven't worked in an ER since the advent of widespread recreational Viagra use. Once you've had to call down a urologist to aspirate blood from the corpus cavernosum of some unfortunate victim, you'll look at those warnings with more respect. MastCell ^Talk 19:53, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

(Goes through his medicine cabinet while he waits for OM's bill) --guyzero | talk 19:57, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

When I worked in the ER, we used leeches.OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 20:02, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

After 4 hours, I'd gladly go see my physician. Considering, of course, who my dream physician is.... Keeper ǀ 76 20:17, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

What is it with you and these blah looking women. I mean Jane Seymour was all right in her day (25 years ago), but this physician is one that would turn me into a corpse. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 21:50, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Physician? I thought she was a pathologist? Next you'll be trying to pass radiologists off as doctors. MastCell ^Talk 22:26, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

As long as you go to Medical school, get a medical license, and wear scrubs and/or lab coat, you're officially a physician, even if all you do is look at dead people or pictures of bones. I know, I wouldn't trust them to treat a cold. But Jordan is hot. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 22:36, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Wow - that milestone tool is amazing - it really captures major milestones

• 5,000th was the creation of Spilotes pullatus, which is an article I created as part of the process of getting List of snakes of Trinidad and Tobago up to an FL
• 10,000th was a revert on the ID article
• 15,000th was to List of trees of the Caribbean - one of my great failures, but still, the article that spun off my second FL
• 20,000th was tagging an article with the banner of the Caribbean WikiProject
• 25,000th was the creation of Coccothrinax fagildei, which is an article I created as part of the process of getting my second FL, List of palms of the Caribbean up to FL status.

Sweet! Guettarda (talk) 19:56, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

That tool is getting more hits from this page than it's probably gotten in the last month from everywhere else. Considering the number of people who watch this place, it could be fun. Now for real fun, I'm going to take a close look at Keeper's contributions. I'm going to see what he really does around here. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 20:04, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

<Runs and hides.... Keeper ǀ 76 20:18, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm so ashamed:

• edit number 5000: talkpage of another admin (during his RFA)
• edit number 10000: talkpage of an article (a little better I suppose)
• edit number 15000: my own talkpage
• edit number 20000: hasn't happened yet, but my money is on a talkpage...

I hate that tool. Lying milestone bastards. Here's hoping for a good 20K. Keeper ǀ 76 21:39, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

But you sure have a fancy-brand way with your edit summaries. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 21:42, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

He's colon obsessed. I think he needs more fiber in his diet. Oh, I was wondering when Ray Ray would show up to this conversation. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 21:46, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Then I looked up his 10000th edit. It was some minor housekeeping, not even a real contribution. Who voted for him in his RfA??????? OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 21:53, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I passed RFA by fluke and circumstance, and I've said it before. I'd never pass in today's vitriolic atmosphere. If anyone is looking to run, run in January. Most RFa regulars are hibernating then it seems, or are too cold to give a shit regardless. Hell, I wasn't the only one to sneak through in Jan 08.... :-) Keeper ǀ 76 21:57, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

You do realize that it was a rhetorical question, the answer to which I already knew, not a real question. Trying to be funny and all. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 22:03, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Um yeah, I knew that. Mine was a rhetorical answer, one you weren't supposed to question....Keeper ǀ 76 22:04, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Re:Keeper's RFA—Well I didn't vote for [him]. :) Guettarda (talk) 01:39, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Herpes Zoster:

• My 5000th edit was about getting GA status for the article.
• My 10000th edit was removing an image from the article.

And I've yet to get that article to FA status. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 22:05, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

You want me to help you get Shingles to FA? Do you not know who I am?  :-). Seriously, what does it need? I need a good project. Keep in mind that I don't edit weekends, I don't have access to scholarly sources, and I'm in general, a complete dumbshit. But I knew someone once that had shingles. Perhaps I could copyedit as a "subject expert" :-) Keeper ǀ 76 22:09, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

What do you do on weekends? Fishing? OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 22:18, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Weekends are mine. Wife. Life. Dog. Yard. House. Chores. Drinking. You know, suburbia. Keeper ǀ 76 00:52, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Ah... suburbia. MastCell ^Talk 04:25, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

And this is precisely why this boy is not married, does not have a dog (in fact is a cat person), rides a motorcycle to the office (because, unlike the the Land of 10,000 ice covered lakes, I can ride 11.5 months per year), and occasionally edit this damn encyclopedia. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 07:21, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Some light reading

It's not very often that "Minnesota" and our "niceness" are the subjects of an article in the Jerusalem Post. Not very often at all. Yet, I have a hunch you still wouldn't vote for Mr. Coleman :-) Keeper ǀ 76 16:59, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

That is a great article. I never thought about the "Jewish" Senate seat until I read it. Actually, when I lived up there in the Land of 10 Trillion Mosquitoes for one winter, there were a couple of very good Jewish delis in Golden Valley (I believe, since it's been about 15 years). And yes, Al Franken is the man. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 18:31, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Al Franken is single handedly losing the election, without coleman's help. Shame. Keeper ǀ 76 18:43, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

That is a shame. I won't go into my personal feelings about Norm Coleman, but his career arc is curious. The guy was a roadie for Ten Years After, which is badass, and opined in his college newspaper that "these conservative kids don't fuck or get high like we do." He was a committed DFL-er who idolized Bobby Kennedy, George McGovern, Warren Spannaus, Hubert Humphrey, Walter Mondale, and probably a bunch of other America-hating pinkos. And then Karl Rove whispers in his ear and he's suddenly a party-line, the-Senate's-job-is-to-make-end-of-life-decisions-about-Terri-Schiavo culture warrior who voted with Bush 98% of the time? I must be missing something. Are these the negative long-term consequences of marijuana use that we hear so much about? But really, the biggest problem I have with him is that his staff tried to whitewash his Wikipedia biography. MastCell ^Talk 19:36, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Apparently grasshopper, you're too young to remember the The Manchurian Candidate (1962 film) (and not the crappy remake). It's the right-wing's plot to control our hearts and minds. And Ten Years After? I have to light a bong to think about that! OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 19:41, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't advise that; their music already seems to go on interminably as it is. MastCell ^Talk 19:55, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I cannot find one Ten Years After song that I actually recall. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 20:29, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I think that rather proves my point. In any case, I think they used I'd Love To Change The World in Fahrenheit 9/11, and I'm sure you've seen that like a thousand times. MastCell ^Talk 22:33, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Really, you don't remember the infamous "I'm Going Home" from Woodstock? Kids these days... Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 01:21, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

(re to mastcell ec with OM)Everything else aside, you do realize that the Wikinews article starts with the Joe Biden staffers, right? That's blockable on OMs page to slight Joe Biden indirectly or directly. And Boeheim is a genius. Keeper ǀ 76 19:42, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Damn straight. And Biden/Boeheim. Tell me you've seen them in the same place at the same time. Hmmmmmmm. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 19:48, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

My biggest problem there is that Biden's staffers should have had the ironic sensibility to replace his Wikipedia article with plagiarized biographical material. MastCell ^Talk 19:49, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't think politicians get irony. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 19:52, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Are you kidding? The last 8 years have been filled with examples of irony. MastCell ^Talk 20:13, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Just because they were ironic, doesn't mean that they actually understand it. I believe that the right wing wasn't being ironic, just cynical. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 20:30, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

You say potato... MastCell ^Talk 22:28, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I say tomahto. Keeper ǀ 76 00:51, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Speaking of books, now chuckling out loud reading the third vampire/detective book by Charlie Huston, shipped fresh from the yew ess of aye...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:42, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

This page is like crack for me. Democratic political commentary, medicine and vampire books. Throw in a few jokes, a pharmacy budget or two and maybe a Deathstalker reference, and this page could be the real world projection of my mind. Avruch ^T 03:40, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh, but wait, there's more. We have Jewish politicians, baseball, bad 60's music except no dope, and analysis of Wikipedia editing habits. It's a fine, aged crack. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 07:19, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Single malt. MastCell ^Talk 23:42, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Cool things one learns from updating DYK

Got lumbered with refreshing the main page a few times...but looky..this film looks cool --> Homam (film), a bollywood remake of The Departed which itself borrowed heavily from the really cool HK film Infernal Affairs...must have a squiz at it some day...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:32, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I just saw The Fearless Vampire Killers by Roman Polanski--I didn't know the director of the Pianist, a movie that just brings me to tears every time I see it, made comedy. Anyways, sticking to the blood drinking theme, it would be an interesting addition. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 01:06, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

There's a bunch of hammer vamp films, amusing in retrospect. I made sure Alfie Bass's bit remained in his bio article.. :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:29, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Quick question...

Why does the link in your user box in the right corner of your user page (The "Suggestions are welcome." one) direct you too KrakatoaKatie's talk page? :) « Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs) @ 21:40, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Because I ripped off her page, and didn't know the code was hidden in there. Or, better yet, I don't want to answer questions, and she should. LOL. Well, let me find that, and fix it. Good catch. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 21:44, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Haha I thought it was pretty funny that you would direct comments to others' talk pages! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs) @ 21:53, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

You have to admit, it's a bit devious.  :) OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 21:54, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Never mind. Now I know what it is. That box is created by KrakatoaKatie with useless but humorous bits of trivia for the day or week. I believe once it had be kind to sheep week or something. There's probably a thread about people making rude and crass comments. So anyways, it's a userbox that she maintains, and if you have an idea for today, it does redirect to her. So, not only did I steal the format of my page from her (and frankly a few others), I stole the userbox.  :) OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 21:56, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Yep, you are definitely devious! You would think at some point KrakatoaKatie would start wondering why she is getting random messages on her talk page! :) « Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs) @ 22:02, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

ewww

Last time I stalked you, I got an amusing Creationist Museum in a double-wide trailer. This time I get a kooky 1930's Sex Magic err, philosophy, and you haven't even bothered to post on the talk page. Seriously, OM, next time you're neck deep in a content / NPOV dispute, after the first couple of edit summaries have no effect, you ought to try the talk page. It can be far more productive and effective, and makes it much easier to work things out than carrying on a discussion via edit summaries. KillerChihuahua^?!? 03:25, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Talk pages are for weenies. "Never apologize, never explain." Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 04:19, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Kooky 1930's Sex, Magic, and philosophy, and you didn't tell me? Want me to miss out on all the fun? Now you've got me thinking of getting ahold of the DVD of W.R.: Mysteries of the Organism, and I certainly advise you young'uns to watch it, assuming they didn't do re-runs when you were old enough to be allowed into the cinema to see it. Hrumph. dave souza, talk 06:52, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Post on a talk page, when a short edit summary is sufficient? As a firm believer in WP:TLDR (and I replied to an email from a subordinate with that tag...I wasn't thinking), I choose to read the long-winded diatribes found on talk pages. Have any of you noticed that there are editors, who if they don't get their way, they discuss it with slight variations of verbiage to say the exact same thing. And of course, when 5 words would do, they require 273? I don't have time to read that crap. Bullet point. Give a source if necessary. Move on. Wait a minute. I'm ranting. And Dave will next be bringing up "Ten Years After" the early years. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 07:25, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Its a common response; when off wp, the correct syntax is "tl;dr". HTH. KillerChihuahua^?!? 11:42, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

You mssspelled it's. HTH. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 18:46, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

<UD> HTH = Internet slang for "How The Hell?", "Hope This Helps", "Hope That Helps", "Happy To Help", "Hit The Hay", or "Hand To Hand". WTF? . . dave souza, talk 08:09, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

WTF?

Why does your userpage "remind" me that today is Rosh Hashanah? RH is September 29, fella. Get with the program - it's not 5761 anymore. MastCell ^Talk 05:04, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I stole that userbox from KrakatoaKatie. Serves me right I suppose. Except I fell out of my chair, wondering how I was going to be ready for guests. You're not bad for goyim.  :) OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 07:32, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I hear Christmas is on December 25 again this year. (Apparently the date for RH wasn't updated from 2007. You'd think people would understand how these things work.) Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 18:45, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

But is New Year's Day still on January 1? I get confused so easily these days. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 01:38, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Not if you're using the old calendar. Well, it's still Jan. 1, but Jan. 1 isn't Jan. 1 Guettarda (talk) 02:44, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Catherineyronwode at DOS AfD

Catherineyronwode has removed upon request the offending remarks from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daylight Origins Society. I doubt that we can get through this without some degree of rancor, but I would at least like to get the worst of the sniping off the AfD page. Would you be willing to strike or remove your off-topic comments? I am making the same request of Malcolm Schosha. - Eldereft (cont.) 18:11, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Never mind, the discussion is closed now. - Eldereft (cont.) 19:28, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Ernie Davis

I guess they had the world premiere in Syracuse eh? Glad to hear that they did a good job with the movie, although it's hard to imagine that it's going to sell a lot of tickets... By the way, I still have the header for the 78-79 basketball season in my sandbox if you're interested in creating the page. GoCuse44 (talk) 03:12, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Doctor, doctor!

Send me some pills,[7] or perhaps not.[8] Essential reading for the woo fighters around here. . dave souza, talk 09:43, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Don't even get me started. A bunch of vitamins do nothing more than give you really expensive urine. And in some cases destroy the liver. And let's hope the AIDS denialists in South Africa get a brain. It's too bad it did not go to trial, so that Rath would have no plausible deniability, "the courts decided nothing."OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 14:58, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Deja moo all over again

See here, although I don't want to take over his page. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:51, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

PS, can you remind me which FAC that was, and point me to the talk page sections where the drama unfolded? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:05, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're asking here. The only FAC where I crossed paths with UnaSmith was Herpes zoster, and I believe she derailed the FAC, but I could just be cranky. Otherwise, I'm not sure what this is all about.OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 20:02, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

That's the one, thanks. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:24, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Cant find my post

Hows the wiki reverter doing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bnaur (talk • contribs) 02:57, 15 September 2008 (UTC)