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Re: Factoid

Hi Number 57! Funny message. I had thought about it in the past, but I prefer the Random House definition ("an insignificant or trivial fact"). I've never seen the word used in any other context anyway, but thanks for pointing this out. Maybe I'll change the edit summaries for the convenience of those who don't see eye to eye with me on this.

Anyway, I noticed that recently you almost completely disengaged from WikiProject Israel, and are editing less. Planning a comeback? A lot to be done, so little time to do it. I'm working on what I hope will become a GA soon. Will send you a link when it's finished. In fact, I'd like to entirely focus my time on content, but it's difficult when I'm the only "maintenance editor" on the project :)

Cheers, Ynhockey ^(Talk) 22:56, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

text-align: left in infobox templates

Where are you seeing problems with this? This is the {{infobox}} default, so shouldn't need to be manually specified in sub-templates. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 17:38, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jordan Angeli

Hello,

I was wondering if you think any college player can ever be notable? To me it seems rather ridiculous that the very best college players in any given sport aren't, in reality, considerably more notable than someone who meets the bare minimum of "1 minute in one professional game."

The women in this AfD all all among the very best college players, and I have taken the time to show they have all been covered in depth by reliable sources. Thus, I respectfully request you reconsider your !vote - that is, unless you feel no current college player could possible be notable for their athletic accomplishments.

Thank you, --ThaddeusB (talk) 14:14, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you again, but just to clarify your position is that no college pplayer can ever be notable for sport play (unless they play on a national/olpympic team) - correct? --ThaddeusB (talk) 15:09, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Members of Knesset

I'm sorry that that cdf did not get visibility. I would have opposed it as well. I really don't like all of them jumbled together. Do you think it'd be worth it to relist? --Shuki (talk) 06:20, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Although I wasn't that happy about it, I can see that it is Wikipedia policy not to have "former" categories. I think now we have the template and the list of current ones I can just about let it slide. пﮟოьεԻ 57 08:07, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

WP Policy is virtually never 'the law' and there are a few policy pages that state that. I suggest that we have a subcat 'current members'.--Shuki (talk) 11:37, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

League of Ireland prods

One was correctly contested (Alex Hair). The others would have great difficulty getting through AfD at present. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 16:06, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Clothes Show Live

Hi Number 57, I was about to start building an article relating to the Clothes Show Live, expanding it out of its home as a sub category on The Clothes Show (TV Show) article, when I saw you had removed a previous attempt citing not credible evidence of importance. I disagree, I've sources to show the exhibition has been running for 20 years and currently pulls an audience of 130,000+ which would qualify it as significant. Before I do any work can you confirm if you agree with my thoughts on this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.244.128.162 (talk) 10:03, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, forgot to sign in --Bigup sim (talk) 10:07, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

re Scarborough Athletic individual seasons.

Hi author of said articles here.

I cannot see why a level 9 team does not deserve to record its seasons here on Wikipedia as long as they are kept up to date.

I can understand why most clubs at this level don't of course, they have a limited fanbase and poorly documented histories to research.

Scarborough Athletic are quite different in that they have a large fanbase which means quite a lot of supporters take the time and trouble to keep things updated, also the club has a short history which means historical research is relatively straightforward.

I know from talking to fellow supporters that these articles have an audience and are appreciated.

If the articles do get zapped however I would be interested to know at what level we would have to attain to reintroduce them.

Kind regards.

seadogerk

Seadogerk (talk) 19:04, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Fair play if those are the rules. btw our rivals Scarborough Town F.C. have produced a shocker of an article. Seadogerk (talk) 23:46, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Eastbourne Borough Seasons

Hi there, I have read the response to the above Scarborough article and I am asking about the same about the Eastbourne Borough seasons, I agree, non league teams don have good sources of documenting thier seasons. Also the Conference National has a mixture of Professional and Semi Profession teams, also teams have both full and part time players in thier squads. The Conference is a national league with potential teams heading towards the Football League. EddersGTI (talk) 11:39, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Deleted article

The page describing Scarborough Town F.C. has been deleted under criterion A7: "No indication that the article may meet guidelines for inclusion" which seems somewhat vague to me. This article concerned a football team which represents a reasonably sized English town. I was unaware the article was under consideration for deletion (there was no indication on the page itself) or that there was any discussion about a possible deletion. As a football fan, I regularly use Wikipedia to find information on a number of clubs, and am absolutely positive that a Scarborough Town F.C. article would be of interest to a great number of people. There are Wikipedia articles on other clubs at the same level of football and in the same league, so I really cannot understand this deletion. Is there any chance of reconsideration or at least some recommendation as to how any future article may be improved in order to meet criterion A7? Thanks for your time. Academic2008 (talk) 22:07, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Scarborough Town F.C.

Thank you for your response with regard to Scarborough Town F.C. Hopefully our club will increase its importance if/when it climbs from the Wearside League into the Northern League. The current significance of the club is perhaps illustrated above by the totally unnecessary comments of the contributor representing Scarborough Athletic, a team which has never played a single game in Scarborough and has no connection with the former Scarborough F.C. other than the support of football-hungry fans who had been left without a club in the town. With regard to the "levels" or "steps" of non-league football, the town of Scarborough is geographically very isolated and is not really covered by any "pyramid" contributory league; our only two choices were to follow Scarborough Athletic into the Northern Counties East League (and we were in fact invited by this league to make an appplication) or to take the less-confrontational alternative route offered by the Wearside/Northern Leagues which is the route we have chosen. Thanks once again for taking the time to explain Wikipedia policy on this matter. Academic2008 (talk) 14:46, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David O'Connor (footballer)

Can I ask that you remove your closure of this, and have a neutral Admin close. The whole debate is whether LOI is professional or not ... and you've made your views on this very clear in the past. Nfitz (talk) 03:14, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but I won't reverse the decision, as it was made using primary source facts. пﮟოьεԻ 57 08:12, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I wasn't asking you to find another admin to close it based on whether or not the facts was correct; or whether or not the league is professional or not. I am asking you to have someone else to close it, as you do not fit the criteria of "disinterested admin or user", and I have concern about the validity of the closure. Nfitz (talk) 22:54, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

The link you referred me to states "a disinterested (i.e. one who has not participated in the deletion discussion) admin".

The link says that AfD should be closed by a disinsterested Admin, and proceeds to give an example. While you didn't contribute to the deletion discussion, the deletion was also discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues#FAI Premier Division - professional or not!?! where you had contributed extensively with posts such as [1] [2] [3] [4]. There is no way that you are not an disinterested admin. Nfitz (talk) 12:12, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

• I agree with Nfitz, I think you should be pretty embarrassed to be honest. You deleted an article when there was no concensus to delete and where you have a strong opinion on the subject. How in the name of god can you not consider the a conflict of interest? Unless you address this issue in a serious manner then I will have to report this. Please respond here so that others can follow the discussion.--Vintagekits (talk) 14:38, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
  • There were six delete votes, all of which cited WP:ATHLETE. In contrast, the three keep votes cited either nothing (Eldumpo and BigDunc, who merely gave their personal opinions) or WP:FOOTYN (which is an essay, not a guideline). In addition, "opinion" does not come into it. It is a clear fact that the league is not fully professional - this is not open to interpretation or Wikilawyering. It's a pretty open and shut case, but you're more than welcome to complain elsewhere though. пﮟოьεԻ 57 15:06, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
    • Is an AfD a vote count or a discussion? Actually the first 3 of the delete !votes simply outline the it doesnt pass athelete because he didnt play in a professional league. Yet following that evidence was provided that the LoI had infact been professional at a time - from that point on it was 3 keeps and 3 deletes.
    • Do you consider that it was appropriate that in the space of two edits you blocked an editor (me) that you were in a dispute with and then in the next edit you close a AfD on a subject which you are directly engaged in a duspute over in a way that suits you POV? Do you consider that you may be abusing you powers as an admin when you have a Conflict of Interest?--Vintagekits (talk) 16:22, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Deletion review for David O'Connor (footballer)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of David O'Connor (footballer). Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Nfitz (talk) 03:09, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Elliot Benyon

Thanks for your reply to my message about this. With the new season the point is about to become moot, but for future reference I'd like some clarification on how you're applying WP:ATHLETE. Benyon's club, Torquay United have been fully professional throughout their history, even though some teams in the conference are part-time. Benyon thus appears to me to be a 'fully-professional' athlete and worthy of an article. I'd be interested in your thoughts. Chrislintott (talk) 12:14, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Matt Day (footballer)

Rightly or wrongly, I think it would be good practice if you excluded yourself from closing AfD with regards the notability.--Vintagekits (talk) 09:51, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

hi

hi i'm new here can u tell me about this -=Chelsey Martineau=- —Preceding unsigned comment added by RickSavagesGirl (talk • contribs) 19:29, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Shufersal

Please move the name back to the real one. Just because many people make a mistake does not make it true. The official name of the company in Hebrew is Shufersal, it is not a mistranliteration. The website url is Shufersal, the investors page uses the word Shufersal 14 times. Globes website uses the proper name. You can also read these credible sites as well: http://www.corporateinformation.com/Company-Snapshot.aspx?cusip=C37670400 http://www.linkedin.com/companies/shufersal Thanks --Shuki (talk) 19:59, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Fully Professional Leagues

Hi, you previously added Poland to the list at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues. Do you have a source for these entries? Thanks Eldumpo (talk) 08:18, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Son of Waves Studios

Hi You once deleted an article I had created because it didn't "indicate importance or significance of a real person" See: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Son+of+Waves+Studios

I would appreciate if you could bring the page back, as things may have changed and I would like to re-edit the page and submit it again.

regards, Thor Asmund —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rukawa (talk • contribs) 13:30, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Gershom Schocken

Hello! Your submission of Gershom Schocken at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Cryptic C62 · Talk 01:01, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Gershom Schocken

On September 6, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Gershom Schocken, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Mifter (talk) 23:21, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Tanzanian elections

re: Template:Tanzanian elections - I really checked this one.

Your ref probably used wikipedia as a source.

Look at List of Presidents of Tanzania - and read any article about Julius Nyerere. He was there for 20 years - there were no elections at all. To quote that article :-

Nyerere became its first Prime Minister on December 9, 1961. A year later Nyerere was elected President of Tanganyika when it became a Republic. .... Nyerere announced that he would retire after presidential elections in 1985.

There seems to have been more activity in Prime Ministers - see List of Prime Ministers of Tanzania - but I am not sure if they were elected or appointed. Tanzania was a one party state.

Also, in History_of_Tanzania#Recent_history, I see - In October 1995, one-party rule came to an end when Tanzania held its first ever multi-party election.. (I fixed that date - the whole article is very pro-Zanzibar).

I also find this :-

To form a sole ruling party in both parts of the union Nyerere merged TANU with the Zanzibar ruling party, the Afro-Shirazi Party (ASP) of Zanzibar to form the CCM (Chama cha Mapinduzi-CCM Revolutionary Party), on February 5, 1977. The CCM was to be the sole instrument for mobilizing and controlling the population in all significant political or economic activities. [...] The merger was reinforced by principles enunciated in the 1982 union constitution and reaffirmed in the constitution of 1984.

President Nyerere stepped down from office and was succeeded as President by Ali Hassan Mwinyi in 1985.

I will leave you to do the edits. Wizzy…☎ 16:34, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Naming convention

Hello, Number 57. You have new messages at Al Ameer son's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

northern district

Shalom Number 57! May I ask why you are changing northern district back to north district? Northern District is the correct usage.--Gilabrand (talk) 14:40, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Sheikh Bureik (south of Haifa)

I know this village exists and has a population, but do you have any sources on it, preferably one that lists its population and its particular distance from Haifa? --Al Ameer son (talk) 17:49, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Man, this is a tough one. I can't find zilch on its population. Thanks for your efforts anyway, I'll keep hunting. Hopefully something will turn up. Regards, --Al Ameer son (talk) 23:57, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi Number57, The link you provided has a "mikud" of 30392. Is there any way to find out where that exists? I tried http://www.israelpost.co.il/ but without luck. Thanks. --Fjmustak (talk) 01:51, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Haim Gvati

I appreciate all the work you are doing.

Haim Gvati is spelled as Haim Gvati. The name is derived from Kibbutz Gvat. It is listed that way in the Knesset website, and any Hebrew speaker who is familiar with his name will pronounce it as Gvati. Please change it accordingly, as I have done a lot of work to correct all the links. Thank you, Wierzba (talk) 15:07, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

This is not about pronunciation, but on vowels (as in Niqqud). גבעתי is indeed Givati. גבתי is not. The name at hand is גבתי, in which the ג is with Shva and not Hiriq. And then there's also the Knesset website. Wierzba (talk) 18:59, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

I believe Wierzba is correct. The name appears to be Gvati, not Givati. —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 22:54, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. We are all here to learn. In regards to the Knesset website - if you have any formal proof of transliteration that needs to be amended, please provide it to the Knesset website staff. I know that for the past 20 years or so the names were provided by the MKs themselves, but prior to that your claim is unfortunately true. Wierzba (talk) 16:44, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of the Foswiki article

Hi,

my name is Michael Daum and I want to comment on the deletions of the Foswiki page.

I do understand and appreciate that you try to keep Wikipedia free from unnecessary stuff based on your notability rules.

Now let me explain why I do think that Foswiki is of course notable. This might not have been expressed clearly enough before.

In the past TWiki received numerous official awards and acknowledgements. That's why it is notable in the Wikipedian sense. Note, however, that this success was build by an open source community working for 10 years on this software. Last year this community left TWiki, as you probably might know already. TWiki has been taken over by a newly founded company called TWiki.net that acquired the trademark rights to use it for commercial purposes. The company was unwilling to let others to continue to work on TWiki and forbid all former contributors access to TWiki.org, even though all pages on TWiki.org are marked to be the property of all those contributors. Well sad story.

These events culminated in the creation of Foswiki. That's where all core developers and stakeholders other than TWiki.net continue to work. Since then TWiki.org became a dead place without a notable community. That's because this community now switched over to Foswiki.

TWiki's awards and acknowledgements have _not_ been achieved by TWiki.net a relatively young company although they recast the achievements of the open source projects as theirs.

Those people that made all of this happen on TWiki are all working on Foswiki now. As Foswiki is a direct continuation of TWiki's codebase being maintained by the same people that formerly worked on TWiki it's success and notability very well carries over to this new project.

If on the other side, if notability does _not_ carry over from TWiki to Foswiki, it now less than ever carries over to TWiki.net. That's however what this company claims and tries to build a business model upon.

Imho, if you continue to see TWiki notable today, you must also admit that Foswiki is. That's because the people that made TWiki a success are all continuing their work under the Foswiki name.

I hope that these few words might help you to decide on Foswiki being notable and that we can start writing a nice article about this great software very soon.

Thanks and with kind regards,

Michael Daum.

Footote: this letter is also hosted at http://foswiki.org/Community/OpenLetterToWikipedia

Request for peer review

Hello 57, I'm looking for good editors to conduct a peer review of an article I'm thinking of submitting as a featured-article candidate, and you were recommended as someone who is knowledgeable in this area and fair. It's 1948 Palestinian exodus from Lydda and Ramla. In particular, I'd be interested to know whether there are any factual errors, glaring omissions of key sources or significant points of view, and whether it's a fair overview.

If you're busy or otherwise unable or unwilling, that's fine, so please feel free to ignore this request if it's inconvenient. Best, SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 06:18, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Abd el-Aziz el-Zoubi

On October 3, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Abd el-Aziz el-Zoubi, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 00:29, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Nerya Aminov

Howdy! I see you deleted Nerya Aminov as a SD under A7. If you check the history, it was tagged with CSD a few days ago and I contested it and posted on the talk page to wait a bit. I've been trying to work with the (very new) editor to establish notability and keep the article. Please restore the article and if you'd like, in a few days take it to AfD. Joe407 (talk) 18:11, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Regardless, the CSD was removed and as such, to delete it needs either prod or AfD. Please restore the article and if it can not be fixed in the next few days, feel free to nominate it for AfD. Joe407 (talk) 05:00, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

OK. I guess I was mistaken. I'd still ask that you restore it and let it run through a few more days before putting it up for deleteion. Hang an underconstruction template on it and if it still is A7 after a week, we'll kill it. Or, at the very least, userfy it for the kid. Joe407 (talk) 15:58, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Jerusalem Day

I appreciated your supporting post. I saw no point in arguing the close but it still rankles when it's met with such blind dispute where you can tell the person failed to even attempt to understand the outcome.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:26, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Finnish Football Players

You recently deleted a number of fully pro finnish players even though there was a majority of votes to Keep on the A'sfD. Can you explain to me how this process works. It's obviously not a straight vote? Thanks. DavidDublin (talk) 15:12, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough it's not a vote counting exercise. But these guys are fully professional football players. Its quite clear to me that they dont fail WP:ATH. DavidDublin (talk) 15:20, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Yanuv

Hi, I see that some time ago you started the article Yanuv, and you wrote that it was founded on land of a former Arab/Palestinian village. Do you know the name of this village? I have been trying to figure it out, but have not managed.

Btw, the moshav is, or rather was, of great interests to some Scandinavians, as the sole survivor of the horific Hurum air disaster, a 12 year old boy, settled there. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 16:38, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for your quick reply. I have (superficially) looked for it in Khalidi; I´ll try to look a bit closer. Perhaps you could give the literal translation, and give a link to the Hebrew -site? Thanks, anyway. (The was a huge collection here for that moshav; enough to build 70-75 houses. I will translate that from a Norwegian book by prof. Waage later.) Cheers, Huldra (talk) 18:31, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

ok, thanks, Huldra (talk) 18:41, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

FYI, we're trying to eventually change all instances of Infobox Kibbutz to Infobox Israel village. In fact, I think you proposed the idea a couple years ago. Cheers, Ynhockey ^(Talk) 22:22, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

The idea is that when all instances of Infobox Kibbutz are changed to Infobox Israel village, we can move the template. Right now, most of the locality articles still use the Infobox Kibbutz template, so it would not be helpful to move just yet (unless someone is willing to make over 1,000 changes very quickly). Cheers, Ynhockey ^(Talk) 22:28, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Isser_Be'eri

Hi,

Thanks for your contribution to the Isser_Be'eri article I started - much appreciated.

I have, however, reintroduced the Rutka's Notebook section. I hope you don't mind. I have included some notes on the Talk:Isser_Be'eri page and am happy to discuss the change - would be interested in your thoughts on the matter if you disagree.

Your other contributions were excellent and, again, much appreciated.

Thanks mate, Stalwart111 (talk) 23:56, 15 October 2009 (UTC).

Kidwelly Town AFC- Page Deleted

Hello I'd like to query why the page for the football club Kidwelly Town AFC was deleted by yourself. The page was a genuine, unbiased article regarding an official football team with complete credibility and a lot of effort was made to ensure that the page was up to Wikipedia standards. The town has a page itself and so has the local rugby team, so why can't the football? I hope you made a backup of everything you deleted so it can be restored asap. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.17.247 (talk) 22:27, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Kidwelly Town AFC- Page Deleted

The club is actually part of the Welsh FA, evidence can be seen here http://wwfa.org.uk/clubs.xml —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.17.247 (talk) 22:40, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Re: Hadash

Whilst I agree with you that the party has moved towards Palestinian nationalism, you can't use an opinion piece from a newspaper and quote verbatim to insert this as if it were a fact. Try the Congressional Research Service or some other source that details parties' agendas. пﮟოьεԻ 57 08:43, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

I do not know where you assumed it was my opinion. I have not used opinion pieces to set in stone (in the infobox for example) a party's political agenda. Rather, I added it as a discussion to the body of the article. (I hope you realize that I was the first [or among the first] to source Israeli political parties with the Congressional Research Service. You may credit me for adding "civil libertarian" to Meretz.) I recall reading somewhere (I thought it was the Hadash article) many voters being disillusioned with the Hadash party because they felt it focused on Arab nationalism at the cost of its communist roots. Recently, I could not find that in the article, and as any Wikipedia knows, I need a source. Yes, i found it in an opinion piece, and I cited it just as it should be. The idea that I "can't use an opinion piece from a newspaper and quote verbatim to insert this as if it were a fact" is completely baseless. For one, I never quoted it as a fact, I quoted it specifically as the opinion of an author of a newspaper (and even added the political orientation of that paper. I have done the same with Kadima.

And I, and all Wikipedians, certainly CAN quote opinion pieces--and cite them as such. The discussion of Hadash's politics is not found in the article. It would be a good idea to add it, which is why I felt it important to find a source. Really. One sentence from a piece that pretty much sums up the criticism against Hadash's alleged "drift" is relevant and necessary. It should be correctly cited, and it is. --Shamir1 (talk) 06:54, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Possible removal if semi-protection of Maki (current political party)

Hi, I noticed that you semi-protected Maki (current political party) about 10 months ago to protect it against vandalism. Don't you think that it's time to lift the protection? If yes, could you please do that? Thanks. Svick (talk) 00:40, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Re: Political shifting Israel-related articles

Your "concerns" are pretty laughable. I have carefully studied each party here and in the mass media. Despite the ridiculousness of your claims, I will address them:

• I did not "move" Likud from right to center-right, rather, I reverted a user who was trying to do the opposite. In order to keep the original, I found strong encyclopedic sources to cite it.

• I did not "move" Kadima from anywhere to anywhere. I have contributed much to the article to get a picture of its very broad political platform. I already included the reasons to add "center and center-left" in the discussion page. I clarified the position (and if I may say so, did a good job in both the introduction and elsewhere in the body of the article). In very simple terms, it is part of the left-wing bloc in the Knesset, is sometimes called center-left in the media by mainstream sources, and it includes former Labor politicians. So I tried to make it as clear and comprehensive as I could. You may also be "concerned" about this sentence in the New York Times: "In other words, Kadima has edged closer to the position of Labor, making it more left-of-center than centrist at a time when the national mood may be more hawkish."[5]

• The Jerusalem Post (you should read their editorials) article contradicted itself at times. It already said (before my edits) that it has moved from the right to adopt a more complex centrist position, yet the infobox remained outdated. And what did I do before editing that? I got a strong reliable source to cite it with. See the body of the article.

So, be concerned all you want. I've properly and responsibly sourced all the edits you are using as some sort of "evidence" to purport your rather ridiculous case. I get very ticked off when an editor assumes another is editing out of bad faith (and without proper evidence). If you're allegations were true I'd be calling Meretz "socialist," and I wouldnt be planning to make edits to the Zionist Organization of America that describe Klein's shift of the organization to the right. I have edited many Israeli parties--not just the three you chose to put here--and made their political positions more comprehensive. But I must have add an ulterior motive when I added descriptions of Meretz's New Movement, its civil libertarianism, anti-occupation appeal, as well as when I made additions to Haaretz newspaper. :D I'd be more concerned about cautioning yourself to make sure you do not make baseless accusations on the discussion board of another editor.

--Shamir1 (talk) 22:15, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

"so please stop injecting your own bias into this article" You obviously prejudged and made foolish conclusions.

No personal attacks. Thanks. --Shamir1 (talk) 08:27, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

יד?

Hi. I noticed the infobox you've put in the Democratic List for Israeli Arabs article. Is there any reference to the ballot letters of the party? I'm wondering a bit, since i don't know which arabic ballot letters to match it with. File:Mapai-arabic.png gives three different Arabic ballot letters for the Arabic Mapai allies, ain, ya-alif and ra-alif. Which would correspond to this party? --Soman (talk) 10:36, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Re: 2008 Ethiopian elections

In reference to this edit & comment, you may want to read the article first. The elections were held through-out Ethiopia, for both empty seats in the Parliament & local offices. Based on that, I don't see how this election shouldn't be included -- although I may be wrong about the name of the article. -- llywrch (talk) 19:04, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Take another look at the lead now. (I just noticed I forgot to include a verb in the 2nd sentence :-/) -- llywrch (talk) 19:20, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

That might be a good idea. There are about half-a-dozen elections that merit some mention in this navbox, including referenda (e.g., adoption of the 1987 constitution), so that template will likely be expanded in the near future. -- llywrch (talk) 19:47, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Mikel San José

Hello - can you please restore Mikel San José to my userpage. He has now made his competitive debut while on loan at Athletico Bilbao coming on as a substitute [6]. I will then update the last version and reference with his debut. Many thanks Steve-Ho (talk) 06:53, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks Steve-Ho (talk) 12:09, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

All things joyful that are level 9 clubs?

Sorry to trouble you--

It seems I've opened Pandora's box by doing this[7]. Only a minute ago did I see that you apparently have made similar efforts. Needless to say, I didn't exactly get a warm welcome. Understandable. I was comforted a bit (I think) after seeing that you at least started with the same opinion I have presently. Mostly, I'm wondering how you dealt with it all. Unfortunately, backing out of it isn't an option for me at this point, as I can't let something that out of bounds sit in the encyclopedia. Just in case you get bored some evening and want to laugh at someone else's suffering (me, in this case, I guess), the de facto talk section would seem to be here[8]. Though I have a really bad feeling about this, I can't make exceptions. Reading the talk page, any consensus on the "continuation" matter looked like a rush job of a bunch of contradicting sources, followed by about a year of edit warring.

I gave 2 generic options: 1) it's the same club thus it's all on the same article, so merge the basic info onto the old club's article (no endless stats), or 2) it's separate and level is too low to qualify. 'Tis all I can really think up, and I'm more than happy to give the primary contributors that choice... but for some reason I'm not expecting an answer. I intend to wait on AfD for another day, or until I speak more with them. *sigh* ♪ daTheisen(talk) 12:37, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

I've noted it now, yes. The ambiguity of eligibility for Vase and Cup is listed differently for each team. I see that a Cup round was played in August vs Vase last year... a extra-preliminary round, but if it's official it's official. Alright. Oh, and I had asked since I saw you poke in on a previous talk page related. ...There are still a lot of PRODs for levels 9-11... before pondering them, the general opinion that leagues of 9s and 10s auto-clear but what about leagues of 10s-11s? Thanks... ♪ daTheisen(talk) 14:02, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elvijs Putniņš (2nd nomination)

You sure about that ... he seems to get a lot of coverage for someone who is on the bench ... here is another one from today [9] and will likely be the backup keeper, as he was in some pre-season games [10]. Nfitz (talk) 22:32, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

People tagging such things

RE: This: Probably because they're not as well-known as you think they are. Thanks for the citation. The rest of the article is in dire need of citations as well. Regards, 71.87.23.22 (talk) 23:32, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Cambridge meetup 14 November

Another Cambridge meetup is set for the afternoon of Saturday 14 November. Please contribute to the page and come along if you can. Charles Matthews (talk) 20:02, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Victor Brindatch article

Please restore the page about Victor Brindatch, and help me to correct it.