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== Deletion of My Anime List Article ==
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It seems you deleted this page without giving any reason. A 'Reason Against Deletion' post was placed on the talk page, was it completely disregarded? [[User:CanadaAotS|CanadaAotS]] ([[User talk:CanadaAotS|talk]]) 04:00, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
*[[User:Secret/Archive37|Archive37]]
:Nevermind, I see it has a reason now. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:CanadaAotS|CanadaAotS]] ([[User talk:CanadaAotS|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CanadaAotS|contribs]]) 04:01, 11 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


== Deletion of WHATWG Article ==
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Hey, I noticed that you deleted the WHATWG article for the following reasons "not indicate subject's importance or significance: group with no claim of notabilty, no Reliable sources)". This seems a little extreme, as the WHATWG is a fairly important/notable group, as they are currently writing the draft of HTML 5, one of the two main possible successors to the current web markup language. To say that they have no claim of notability is quite a bit wrong. For example, there have been several articles on the front page of slashdot about their efforts. So that seems to very much nullify the claim of not being notable which you make in the delete log. As for the sources in the article, although they may not exactly follow wikipedia standards, they seem pretty good to me (the official whatwg website, an interview with an MS developer about them, and info from the W3C website about the WHATWG and their actions with respect to them). And finally, as far as failing to indicate the subject's importance, I feel that this quote from the deleted article "On 2007-04-10, the Mozilla Foundation, Apple and Opera Software proposed[6] that the new HTML working group of the W3C adopt the WHATWG’s HTML5 as the starting point of its work and name its future deliverable "HTML 5". On 2007-05-09, the new HTML working group resolved to do that.[7]" somewhat addresses the notability of their efforts, although it could be better done. It seems like 5 minutes on google and a quick edit or flagging the article or starting a discussion on the talk page would have been more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/207.207.127.247|207.207.127.247]] ([[User talk:207.207.127.247|talk]]) 05:07, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:agree, please restore. [[User:Riffic|riffic]] ([[User talk:Riffic|talk]]) 06:08, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


An editor has asked for a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review#{{{2|Web Hypertext Application Technology Working Group}}}|deletion review]] of [[:Web Hypertext Application Technology Working Group]]. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. [[User:Riffic|riffic]] ([[User talk:Riffic|talk]]) 06:36, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:The article was restored per obvious consensus at AfD. I recommend you be more careful in speedily deleting articles, especially when the articles have a long edit history and have received a high importance rating by the Version 1.0 Editorial Team. Cheers, [[User:Trialsanderrors|trialsanderrors]] ([[User talk:Trialsanderrors|talk]]) 13:39, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


What I saw is a nn group and sources that doesn't seem reliable, i know squat about computers, the AFD should be unclosed those for more opinions, as I still don't see any notabilty [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 19:38, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
== Your opinion ==


==[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Elonka 3]]==
Hi Secret - I see that you speedy deleted [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Now_That%27s_What_I_Call_Music!_75&action=edit&redlink=1 this article] under A1. The same author ([[User:Owen the Kid]]) has been creating several articles over the past week, most of which have been speedily deleted. Two articles remain, [[I'm Landing]] and [[Ben 10: Back to the Alien Force]], both of which are completely unreferenced and unwikified. I'm not sure how to proceed with this user. They have a welcome template on their page with all the relevant links for creating an article, but the sub-par article creation continues. I think we may simply be dealing with a young user who doesn't understand or perhaps is not yet capable of creating a proper wikipedia article that meets notability and referencing criteria. How should one proceed in such a case? [[User:Ponyo|<b><font color="FFB521">Jezebel's</font></b><font color="3773A5">Ponyo</font>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ponyo|<font color="3773A5">''shhh''</font>]]</sup> 18:24, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:Admin_mop.PNG|right|border ]]Thank you for your support throughout my RfA process. I very much noticed and appreciated your efforts. It was quite a dramatic debate! And a very close call, but I'm very happy that the third time turned out to be the charm. :) Thanks again, [[User:Elonka|El]][[User talk:Elonka|on]][[Special:Contributions/Elonka|ka]] 09:19, 17 December 2007 (UTC) {{-}}


I killed both articles, I think it's a young user in this situation (looking at the subjects), the best thing to do is to fix his edits, prod or AFD if nessarry. [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 16:37, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
:The same user has since created [[CN Xtreme|two]] [[Sing Like Me|more]] inappropriate articles, with the edit summary "nothing". Their user page is littered with speedy deletion notifications and none of their articles have survived without someone having to take the time to speedy, prod, or redirect. Is there no way to stop the user from creating bogus (but good faith) articles? --[[User:Ponyo|<b><font color="FFB521">Jezebel's</font></b><font color="3773A5">Ponyo</font>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ponyo|<font color="3773A5">''shhh''</font>]]</sup> 19:06, 7 December 2009 (UTC)


Deleted one and warned him. Nothing much I could do other than blocking him. [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 19:10, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
:Thanks for the help! Cheers, --[[User:Ponyo|<b><font color="FFB521">Jezebel's</font></b><font color="3773A5">Ponyo</font>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ponyo|<font color="3773A5">''shhh''</font>]]</sup> 19:17, 7 December 2009 (UTC)


== [[David Barton]] ==
== FRING ==


Hi there, Please can we bring back the article about [[fring]]
Hallo Secret,<br />
I have prepared an article at this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:135.245.72.35/Fring_(draft) and i am sure it can be added without being deleted.
this page should be deleted, (not the discussion page) to make room for [[David Barton (Missouri politician)]] who is the person which is meant in the majority of articles. Unfourtunately not all links can be changed as they come from navigational sidelines like senators from Missouri. --[[User:Eingangskontrolle|Eingangskontrolle]] ([[User talk:Eingangskontrolle|talk]]) 19:15, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
If it is deleted again then the article about [[truphone]] should also be deleted.


These are both destructive technologies and they both deserve an article on wikipedia.
==Jack Merridew and threats of being blocked for bringing up Jack Merridew's behavior==
* [[User_talk:Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise#Your_closing_of_the_ANI]] [[User:Ikip|Ikip]] ([[User talk:Ikip|talk]]) 18:43, 5 December 2009 (UTC)


Thank you
:Jaranda, whoever is right about this, it would be good to get some consensus among the admins before you go blocking him for it. That might make Ikip happy, but it's unlikely to "stick" or resolve anything. Please talk to Future.--[[User:Chaser|Chaser]] ([[User talk:Chaser|talk]]) 21:35, 5 December 2009 (UTC)


regards
== Geonotice ==


Please update [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Miami 3]] with some provisional ideas about a meetup in the next couple of months, and I'll be glad to post the geonotice.--[[User:Pharos|Pharos]] ([[User talk:Pharos|talk]]) 21:35, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
[[User:Goplett|Goplett]] ([[User talk:Goplett|talk]]) 13:40, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


==Ahem==
== Hornell Dodgers ==


the Hornell Dodgers were a minor league affiliate of the Brooklyn Dodgers from 1950-1956.. thus they meet the guidelines for inclusion and shouldn't be summarily deleted without discussion.[[User:Spanneraol|Spanneraol]] ([[User talk:Spanneraol|talk]]) 00:46, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
I have not violated 3RR, and I do not take your accusation that I have kindly. I also direct you to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CONEXCEPT]]. This is a policy and cannot be ignored. [[User:Jtrainor|Jtrainor]] ([[User talk:Jtrainor|talk]]) 22:17, 19 December 2007 (UTC)


The original article didn't mention that, it only mentioned it was a team in a college league, I'll be more than willing to undelete if you are willing to mention it. Thanks [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 22:04, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
I warned you for it, I didn't say you broke it [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 22:18, 19 December 2007 (UTC)


:I think it was originally about the minor league team and someone changed it. If you put it back, I'll rewrite the article to focus on the professional team.[[User:Spanneraol|Spanneraol]] ([[User talk:Spanneraol|talk]]) 02:18, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Also that section applies mainly to wikiprojects and groups of editors [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 22:19, 19 December 2007 (UTC)


You don't get to warn anyone for 3RR unless they break it, which I have not. Give me credit for being able to count to three, please. [[User:Jtrainor|Jtrainor]] ([[User talk:Jtrainor|talk]]) 22:21, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
== You may be interested.... ==


You could warn people if they reached three reverts. [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 22:22, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
I have posted [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AVillage_pump_%28miscellaneous%29&action=historysubmit&diff=330383577&oldid=330377057 this] as I think it is one way of really promoting core encyclopedic content. Anyway, if you have some spare time...[[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 03:43, 8 December 2009 (UTC)


==Notability==
:I cleared out the old discussion, I really want to promote it. [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 22:10, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Hi. It looks like you are going to be taking a break. When you get back I'd like to chat about the notability infrastructure. You seem pretty well experienced and I'd like to find out why we are comming to different conclusions on the right approach. Have a great holiday! --[[User:Kevin Murray|Kevin Murray]] ([[User talk:Kevin Murray|talk]]) 22:37, 19 December 2007 (UTC)


::Fantastic. This should be a key process in collaborative edtiing round here...[[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 22:58, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Yea would do when I get the time. Thanks [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 22:40, 19 December 2007 (UTC)


== Rochester Institute of Technology Model Railroad Club ==
== I hope I have the correct editor ==


Hi Secret. I would like to ask you to reverse your closure of [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rochester Institute of Technology Model Railroad Club]]. The article was modified during the discussion, which I pointed out as the final comment on the page, but no one ever went back to look at the article again to see if it was improved. Furthermore, I believe the established standard of "multiple reliable sources" was ignored in this discussion for no good reason, and thus that those arguments should have been given less weight in the analysis.
Hi, we don't know each other at least I'm not aware of any contacts. I just noticed you withdrew from the election. (If you are not the editor then please except my apologies in advance, this will be quite embarrassing too. :) ) Anyways, may I ask why you decided now to withdraw? I mean with the ballots being secret, :), how do you know if you are doing good or bad in the election. I would really have preferred you stayed in the race for arbcom. I haven't voted yet. I am still researching and reading about editors I don't know. I'm sorry you felt the need to withdraw. I hope it's more for personal reasons than anything else. Thanks for the time, feel free to ignore this. I was/am curious about why you chose to leave the election since I was rather impressed with what I was seeing about you. Again thanks, happy editing, --[[User:Crohnie|<span style="color:purpled ">'''Crohnie'''</span><span style="color:deeppink">'''Gal'''</span>]][[User talk:Crohnie|<span style="color:deepskyblue"><sup>Talk</sup></span>]] 13:28, 8 December 2009 (UTC)


For example: Cirt's reasoning was that it was a) unsourced, b) non-notable, and c) original research. The revisions made to the article invalidated at least two and possibly all three of those arguments. It was no longer unsourced, which also meant it was no longer original research. Notability might still be an issue, but I believe it's established by precedent due to the multiple reliable sources that were found.
Yea it's more of a time reason, I knew I was doing poorly in the elections, and after getting advice from a former member of the committee, I don't have the time to dedicate with the hard work it brings. I rather get the experience I need in the dispute resolution and run next year, when my studies will be more laid back. Thanks for thinking about supporting me, I really apprichiate it. 22:09, 8 December 2009 (UTC)


jj37 simply referenced Cirt's reasoning, and so that !vote is called into similar question.
== Question ==


LonleyBeacon never responded to my additional question and request for clarification; LB's objection was that the D&C articles were not primarily about the club, but the policy he quoted says only that coverage must be "more than trivial", which said articles demonstrably are. That objection to LB's reasoning was never addressed.
I have a question on an article, and I was wondering if you would help me know how to proceed. I was patrolling newpages when I came across [[Anthony Santos (entertainer)]], which seemed to be an article on a well-known musician, so I attempted to help out with a few copy edits and adding references. Afterwords, however, I checked out [[Anthony Santos]] which redirects to [[Aventura]] because consensus found that it was not sourced well enough for a BLP. It appears the article was created as a content fork to avoid consensus, but I am not sure what to do with the new content. [[User:Mrathel|Mrathel]] ([[User talk:Mrathel|talk]]) 15:15, 8 December 2009 (UTC)


Storkk had similar concerns, but yet still only said "Weak Delete".
You did good, the article still has some poorly written cruft, but usually head musicians of major bands get their own article. The original article was redirected with any discussion. I just history merged both articles. Thanks [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 23:26, 8 December 2009 (UTC)


Bearian had no opinion on the main club article.
== Diana Napolis ==


DGG mentioned only that "[a] single writeup in a hobbyist publication is not sufficient notability", which is true, except DGG apparently ignored the other reliable sources, and never responded to my question pointing that out.
Hi. Would you mind please explaining what "BLP concerns" made you "err on the side of caution" in the [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Diana_Napolis|closure of the Diana Napolis AfD]]? Thanks. --[[User:Cyclopia|<font color="green">Cycl</font><big>o</big><font color="green">pia</font>]][[User talk:Cyclopia|<font color="red"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 00:25, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
:Do you also mind explaining this [[User:Secret/BLP]]?[[User:PelleSmith|PelleSmith]] ([[User talk:PelleSmith|talk]]) 02:51, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


So in my opinion, each of the delete !votes are either weak or have remaining unresolved questions. I don't think there was a clear consensus for deletion in that discussion.
Since we're here, I'm also concerned about [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Racial_disappearance_(2nd_nomination)|this]], where doesn't seem apparent at all what policy are you referring to. --[[User:Cyclopia|<font color="green">Cycl</font><big>o</big><font color="green">pia</font>]][[User talk:Cyclopia|<font color="red"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 12:52, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


? --[[User:Cyclopia|<font color="green">Cycl</font><big>o</big><font color="green">pia</font>]][[User talk:Cyclopia|<font color="red"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 11:08, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your time. [[User:LtPowers|Powers]] <sup><small><small>[[User talk:LtPowers|T]]</small></small></sup> 02:48, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
* The consensus of the first I agree, was a bit borderline, but the subject was a marginal BLP. She was only known for "stalking" celebs, and an article like that would always have serious BLP issues. It cause no harm in deleting the article on a person who isn't notable anyways. The second AFD the consensus was as clear as it could be, it's true there's a bunch of google hits, but [[WP:GOOGLEHITS]] aren't everything. The article has concerns with reliable sourcing and original research that weren't met in the AFD. Consensus is formed by reading the debate promptly and check if the discussers apply by policy, not by a simple vote count. [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 16:16, 11 December 2009 (UTC)


Take it to DRV, I just don't see the significant improvement, the sources listed are way too trivial mentions, and it still reads like an advert for the club. [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 20:44, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
**Thank you very much. Nothing to say on the second close, now that you explained it (it was just unclear what was the policy you referred). On the first I disagree on the rationale, and I am considering DRV (want to check the AfD thoroughly before however), but thanks nonetheless for your explanation. --[[User:Cyclopia|<font color="green">Cycl</font><big>o</big><font color="green">pia</font>]][[User talk:Cyclopia|<font color="red"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 17:27, 11 December 2009 (UTC)


: [[Wikipedia:Deletion_review#Rochester Institute of Technology Model Railroad Club|As you wish.]] [[User:LtPowers|Powers]] <sup><small><small>[[User talk:LtPowers|T]]</small></small></sup> 20:28, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
== Timing ==


== Thank you! ==
Hi Secret, just a note on any possible RFA timing: did you see the comments from SoWhy? Given that it's only been 3.5 months since the original RFA it may make sense to wait till Jan or Feb. Let me know what you think. Good luck with exams. ''(BTW - what kind of blackberry do you have? I'm dying to get the 9700, but the 9000 only just came out here in Japan).'' [[User talk:7|<span style="background:#acf;padding:4px;color:white;text-shadow:black 0.2em 0.2em 0.3em">&nbsp;'''7'''&nbsp;</span>]] 00:58, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


Hey there! Thanks very much for your support in my recent [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Tony Fox|RFA]], which was successful. I was humbled by the support I received, and will do my best to live up to it by using the tools wisely and for the benefit of the encyclopedia. Thanks again! [[User:Tony Fox|Tony Fox]] <small>[[User_talk:Tony Fox|(arf!)]]</small> 06:03, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
== RfA ==


== Deletion of "Green Chri$tma$" ==
I won't spam you with my template, per your request, but still wanted to thank you for such a glowing nomination. I appreciate your support, and will probably bother you several times over the next few weeks with questions about various admin activities. Thanks again! [[User:Killervogel5|<span style="color:black">'''KV5'''</span>]] <small>([[User_talk:Killervogel5|<span style="color:#00338d">Talk</span>]] • [[WP:PHILLIES|<span style="color:#B71234">Phils</span>]])</small> 02:18, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


I'm not the original author of the entry, but I am the person who established it under its correct name (the S's as dollar signs).
== Alison Rosen ==


As far as I can decipher the reasons for the deletion, they are that the article was "unsourced, non-notable, boosterism/ad". I don't remember the article exactly, so in its absence, for the moment I won't argue with the "unsourced". If that's a problem, I can provide better sourcing.
Please explain why you deleted the page Alison Rosen. It was clearly a case of the people not know who Alison Rosen was. I rebutted every single point made by those calling for the deletion of the article and not one person responded to my rebuttals. I feel this deletion was completely unfair to me and Ms Rosen. Did you actually read any of the discussions? [[User:Karpaydm|Karpaydm]] ([[User talk:Karpaydm|talk]]) 23:02, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
:My apologies, Karpaydm, for not replying to your question at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alison Rosen (3rd nomination)]]. I must have missed your post while I was browsing through my lengthy [[WP:WATCHLIST|watchlist]]. My deletion rationale at the AfD was that there lacked significant coverage reliable sources that discussed Alison Rosen. Most of the references in the article may have been reliable, but they contained no more than a passing mention (one or two sentences) about Rosen. Also, many of the sources were written by Rosen herself. For an article to meet [[WP:N]], the topic must have received coverage from someone independent of the subject. Furthermore, a [[WP:BLP]] requires reliable sources that provide <u>significant</u> coverage about the subject. If you can list at least three [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] (which excludes blogs and tabloids), each of which devotes an entire news article about Rosen (these articles cannot be written by Rosen herself), I will help you return the article to [[WP:MAINSPACE|mainspace]]. Otherwise, the article will remain deleted until she receives coverage in reliable sources.<p>Secret closed the debate as delete because there was no other way he could have closed it. Save for yourself and an IP, there was a unanimous decision to delete the article. [[User:Cunard|Cunard]] ([[User talk:Cunard|talk]]) 09:05, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


As for the other two reasons, I believe they apply to it no more than to articles on Simpsons characters or episodes.
== [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of landmarks in Las Vegas]] ==


Could this deletion be reviewed? Thanks.
Please add a closing rationale to [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of landmarks in Las Vegas]]. Note that I do not disagree with your closure, did not participate in the debate, and have no position on whether or not the article should have been kept. However, I found the debate in the AfD logs and found it interesting, so I watchlisted it to see how the discussion would play out. There was a significant number of differing opinions, so I believe that a closing rationale could help those who participated in the debate understand why you closed as such. Thanks, [[User:Cunard|Cunard]] ([[User talk:Cunard|talk]]) 08:43, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
:Thanks for adding a closing rationale that sums why the article was deleted. Best, [[User:Cunard|Cunard]] ([[User talk:Cunard|talk]]) 05:14, 10 December 2009 (UTC)


[[User:Zgystardst|Zgystardst]] ([[User talk:Zgystardst|talk]]) 06:51, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
== RfA Thanks ==


[[WP:PROD]] restore [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 13:15, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
{{ombox|type=notice|image=[[File:Admin mop.PNG|40px]]|imageright=[[File:Admin mop.PNG|40px]]|text=Thank you for [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/MrKIA11 2|nominating me]] for admin, which passed with '''51 supports''', '''4 opposes''', and '''3 neutrals'''.|textstyle=text-align: center;}} [[User:MrKIA11|MrKIA11]] ([[User talk:MrKIA11|talk]]) 12:38, 10 December 2009 (UTC)


== Captain Proton question ==
== [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jayne Mansfield biographical timeline]] ==
: Secret, I was looking back over the [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Adventures of Captain Proton|Captain Proton deletion]] and noted that when you closed/deleted the article, you did so stating "Keep section didn't have one policy based reason". Looking over it, though, the Delete camp cited no policies either and the overall consensus was mixed with a lean toward Keep. I had thought (read it somewhere on Wikiedia IIRC) that the default action was keep in situations like this where there's no clear consensus and no clearcut policy rule. The only thing quoted/linked was the guideline [[WP:RS|Reliable Sources]]. Right now, I'm in a discussion that is eerily similar to the concerns regarding the Captain Proton page, but with less notability. Regardless, it may be notable within the highly-notable master topic, just as (for example) [[Section 31]] is to [[Star Trek]] or [[The Adventures of Captain Proton]] is to [[Star Trek: Voyager]]. There appears to be a major lack of consistency and we're trying to figure out how to go about this on future articles (and personally I still hold out hope that the Captain Proton "decision" will be reversed eventually). Thank you in advance for helping me understand the reasoning. [[User:VigilancePrime|VigilancePrime]] ([[User talk:VigilancePrime|talk]]) 07:13, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


== [[Wikipedia:New user log]] ==
One of my main concerns is that I want to make sure that I am correctly interpreting policies regarding AfD's. On culture-related topics such as this, I find that many will argue that the standards for WP:NOR are somehow different than for other subjects. If you have a moment, I would appreciate if you could look at my argument in this AfD and assess it to see if I am correctly reading policies on OR and whether I am missing something that would help me make a better assessment, a "suggested reading" if you will. I'm not really sure if this falls under coaching, but I figured I would give it a shot:) [[User:Mrathel|Mrathel]] ([[User talk:Mrathel|talk]]) 15:43, 10 December 2009 (UTC)


<s>Hello, I was cleaning up some links from this per the MfD. Can you add [[Wikipedia:New user log/November 2007]] and [[Wikipedia:New user log/December 2007]] in the archives section and then blank those comments off of the page. Regards.--'''[[User:12 Noon|<font color="8b0000">12&nbsp;N</font><font color="a9a9a9">oo</font><font color="8b0000">n</font>]][[User talk:12 Noon|&nbsp;<sup>2¢</sup>]]''' 00:10, 22 December 2007 (UTC)</s>
== List of Dallas gangs ==
:Never mind, I did not realize you were away until after I posted this - I'll just do an {{t1|editprotect}} on the talk page. Regards.--'''[[User:12 Noon|<font color="8b0000">12&nbsp;N</font><font color="a9a9a9">oo</font><font color="8b0000">n</font>]][[User talk:12 Noon|&nbsp;<sup>2¢</sup>]]''' 01:50, 22 December 2007 (UTC)


== WP:RB ==
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_Dallas_gangs
If every single entry can be found in major newspapers, as having activity in Texas, then does that not count as reliable sources that they are in fact a gang and operating in Texas? The article can be verified. Any entries that did not appear in a reliable source were removed already. The only question was whether to put the news sources in the article, or to simply link to the main gang articles where sources are already at. Additional sourcing was found and discussed on the article talk page. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>]]''' 16:32, 10 December 2009 (UTC)


Is your sports cards offer still good on the [[WP:RB]]? [[Tyrone Wheatley]] is coming up in the queue at [[WP:GAC]]--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|c]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|bio]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:LOTD]]) </small> 04:28, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Uhh none of the entries had a source next it. I'll be willing to userfy if you plan to source it and rename list of gangs in Texas. [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 16:11, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
:Please userfy it for me so I can finish working on it. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>]]''' 17:16, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
*Thanks. Can I get the talk page too? I had found some valid references already for some of the gangs there, and was discussing how to improve the article with other editors there. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>]]''' 21:18, 12 December 2009 (UTC)


==[[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/IRC]]==
== reply ==
An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/IRC|here]]. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/IRC/Evidence]]. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/IRC/Workshop]].


On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, [[User talk:Thatcher|Thatcher]] 00:46, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
{{talkback|Coldplay Expert}}--[[user:Coldplay Expert|<font style="color:#4682b4">'''Coldplay Expért'''</font>]] <sup>[[user talk:Coldplay Expert|<font style="color:Crimson">'''Let's talk'''</font>]]</sup> 18:09, 10 December 2009 (UTC)


== Questions ==
== "Minor" edit? ==


Deletion of an entire section of an article (such as the trivia section from [[Cleveland Indians]]) is NOT a minor edit. Please don't mark them as such. Also, please see [[WP:TRIVIA]] for more information about trivia sections. --[[User:Dachannien|'''<font color="Black">Dachannien</font>''']]<sup>[[User_talk:Dachannien|<font color="Blue">''Talk''</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Dachannien|<font color="Green">''Contrib''</font>]]</sub> 05:32, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Which ones? [[User:William M. Connolley|William M. Connolley]] ([[User talk:William M. Connolley|talk]]) 20:00, 10 December 2009 (UTC)


: Most of them, one sentence answers aren't impressive, especially with an editor as experienced as you. [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 20:01, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
I know about [[WP:TRIVIA]], but that if there is something to merge, I do mark reverts as minor edits as long as most of my edits, the only time I don't mark anything as minor edits is if I add content to an article, or if I deal with wikipedia mainspace. I know how to edit, and I know all thos policies, I been in this project since 2005, don't need to remind me. [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 21:36, 27 December 2007 (UTC)


==Your block of a malicious user==
:: OK, thanks [[User:William M. Connolley|William M. Connolley]] ([[User talk:William M. Connolley|talk]]) 20:10, 10 December 2009 (UTC)


Secret, I want to thank you for indefinitely blocking the user [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jjj222 Jjj222] and all his/her various and sundry sockpuppets. This person is by far the most malicious vandal I've seen, in that his persistence is extraordinary. One potential problem is that the anonymous IP address that he uses, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:68.173.209.19 68.173.209.19] was only blocked for one month, set to elapse in the second week of January. If you will look at this IP addresses talk page, you'll see that it has a long history of being blocked for persistent vandalism. I implore you to please permanently block this IP address, as this user has shown in the past that if given the slightest amount of leniency, he/she will abuse it to no end. This user has almost led me to give up Wikipedia entirely, and I've been around in one form or another from the very beginning. Life has been so much better for me and everyone who edits baseball since you banned this person - please, continue the peace and productive editing by permanently banning this IP address. Thank you, and Happy New Year, [[User:Googie man|Googie man]] ([[User talk:Googie man|talk]]) 17:00, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
== [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Google Watch (4th nomination)]] ==


From what I can see, you closed this early by several hours. --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] ([[User talk:MZMcBride|talk]]) 16:07, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
IPs can't be blocked indef unless it's a open proxy, which this isn't [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 19:55, 3 January 2008 (UTC)


== List of characters in Titanic (1997 film) ==
Thanks, I'll close this in two hours, consensus is rather clear here anyways. [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 16:09, 11 December 2009 (UTC)


Hello, '''Secret.''' If you look [[User talk:Waldir#List of characters in Titanic .281997 film.29|here]] and [[User talk:Flyer22#Titanic|here]], you'll see the brief discussion that took place about your having redirected the [[List of characters in Titanic (1997 film)]] article to [[Titanic (1997 film)]], which provides the reason why I restored that article. I understand your reason for having redirected that article, and if I don't get a good chance to fix up that article soon, then, of course, put that article up for a deletion debate again. For now, however, I ask you to allow more time for its improvement. I'll see you around. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22|talk]]) 02:18, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
== Diana Napolis DRV ==


That is the reason why I redirected instead of re AFD it, it's loaded with speculation, [[WP:NOR]], etc. I wanted someone to clean it up without lossing the history. I'll re AFD in a month if it isn't improved. Thanks [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 19:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
==Deletion review for [[:Diana Napolis]]==
An editor has asked for a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review#Diana Napolis|deletion review]] of [[:Diana Napolis]]. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. <!-- This originally was from the template {{subst:DRVNote|PAGE_NAME}} ~~~~ --> [[User:Cyclopia|<font color="green">Cycl</font><big>o</big><font color="green">pia</font>]][[User talk:Cyclopia|<font color="red"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 13:50, 12 December 2009 (UTC)


== [[Legend of Blue-Eyes White Dragon]] AfD ==
== Transwiki ==


You stated that you were nominating all the articles in the associated template. However, you did not list the articles in the AfD or tag the articles and direct editors to the centralised discussion. So for now I am only deleting the article listed. I suggest you create another AfD for the remainder, and refer to this one as a precedent. --[[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 08:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
I've never seen an edit like this before, but I'm a relative newcomer (compared to you). What does, for example, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Oregon&diff=331657738&oldid=331543324 your edit] to [[Oregon]] do? ''(Import log); 10:49:05 . . Secret (talk | contribs | block) transwikied Oregon (2 revisions from nost:Oregon)'' —[[user:EncMstr|EncMstr]] ([[user talk:EncMstr|talk]]) 19:24, 14 December 2009 (UTC)


:[[Wikipedia:Requests for page importation]], I was just importing edits from the earlist version of wikipedia. History from when Wikipedia first started in 2001 that managed to be recovered from a harddrive crash years ago and placed on a wiki. [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 19:16, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
That was my fault, I had to work after that AFD, couldn't tag them all, and I don't use autoscripts. I'm now semi-active. Thanks [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 19:57, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


==RfA thanks==
::Interesting. So where do those 2 revisions show up? Are the two earliest edits [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Oregon&dir=prev&action=history here] from the import? —[[user:EncMstr|EncMstr]] ([[user talk:EncMstr|talk]]) 19:24, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
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-[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 17:36, 3 January 2008 (UTC)


==My apologies for pestering, but....==
Yes they are. [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 19:26, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
==Unblock==
Thank you. For the record, I did not intend to say that I would stay away from the article, but that I would not revert it. I do not intend to edit it; but one reason I want to be able to edit is to revise a hasty comment on the talk page. [[User:Pmanderson|Septentrionalis]] <small>[[User talk:Pmanderson|PMAnderson]]</small> 21:11, 14 December 2009 (UTC)


Could you please let me know where you stand with my request from "Your block of a malicious user", above? Thanks, [[User:Googie man|Googie man]] ([[User talk:Googie man|talk]]) 18:35, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
== [[User talk:Xandar]] ==


== Template vandal. ==
In view of the latest unblock request, I am inclined to unblock this user. However, I wanted to get your input first to see if there were any outstanding issues of which to be aware. Thanks! <font color="darkorange">[[User:Tnxman307|TN]]</font><b><font color="midnightblue"><big>[[User talk:Tnxman307|X]]</big></font></b><font color="red">[[Special:Contributions/Tnxman307|Man]]</font> 20:49, 15 December 2009 (UTC)


Yeah, first I thought it could have been an accident... then I thought "no way lol". Majorly beat me to the block though. I saw it too. :( · [[User:AndonicO|<font face="Times New Roman" color="Black">'''A'''''ndonic'''''O'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:AO|<font face="Times New Roman" color="Navy">'''''Hail!'''''</font>]]</sup> 23:47, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
== Okashina_Okashi_-_Strange_Candy ==


== Deletion of Game Deception article ==
I really don't understand your close here. There were arguments made that the sources met WP:N. And they clearly do in fact. Given the !vote count and the quality of sources, I really don't understand your delete result for this. Could you identify why you feel the largest newspaper in a significant metropolitan area isn't a RS? Do you have some insight into why Tech News isn't a RS? My sense is that you expected the keep !voters to hunt down the paper sources and explain each one of them. I don't think that's realistic or proper. We have many articles on historical figures (for example) that have only paper sources. If no one can provide quotes from them in 7 days, does that mean we should delete them? I'd ask that you reexamine this. (See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Okashina_Okashi_-_Strange_Candy_%282nd_nomination%29] for the AfD).
:No, the sources did not meet [[WP:N]] as the user Spartaz has shown in detail. Therefore I support the deletion although it was against the majority of commentors until better sources can be found. --[[User:Novil Ariandis|Novil Ariandis]] ([[User talk:Novil Ariandis|talk]]) 15:02, 16 December 2009 (UTC)


Hi, first of all, please excuse my grammar and spelling, English is not my native language so sometimes things get a bit messed up.
Could you userfy the deleted article to my user space? That'll give me a chance to continue improving the article as I find better sources and such. [[User:Dragoneer|Dragoneer]] ([[User talk:Dragoneer|talk]]) 02:42, 17 December 2009 (UTC)


Now back to business:
== AFD closure requested ==


How can you say that Game Deception (referred to as G-D from now) does not assert significance?
Can you close [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maryum Jameelah (3rd nomination)]] early (it's been withdrawn and there are no votes for deletion) ? I would like to nominate the article for DYK, and don't want to close the AFD myself, since I voted keep and have now become the main contributor to the article, [[Maryum Jameelah]]. Thanks. [[User:Abecedare|Abecedare]] ([[User talk:Abecedare|talk]]) 19:54, 16 December 2009 (UTC)


Nearly *every* cheat available to any game, online or not is made either by knowledge found on G-D or by persons that write topics on G-D. (okay im exaggerating but a significant amount of them).
== Your block of TJ Spyke ==


The article goes hand in hand with the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheating_in_online_games Cheating in Online Games] article, and if [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PunkBuster PunkBuster] warrants an article, so should G-D.
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3ATJ+Spyke How many times] are we going to block this guy for 24 hours before we realize that a longer block (possibly indefinite) is needed? '''[[User:IMatthew|<span style="font-family:Century Gothic;color:#000080">iMatthew</span>]]&nbsp;<span style="font-family:Century Gothic;color:#007BA7">[[User_talk:IMatthew|<span style="font-family:Century Gothic;color:#007BA7"><sup>talk</sup>]]</span>''' at 23:25, 16 December 2009 (UTC)


It's a website that's been here since the beginning, where anyone who would like to get into game hacking, or just advanced programming should go.
{{Talkback|Kleinzach}}


There's 9,737 threads, 76,833 posts and 16,752 members, with over 266 people visiting the forums the last 24 hours i'd say it's a website of some significance.
== Talkback ==


Further more, the article is also being rewritten as we speak, being formed by the very members of G-D.
{{talkback|WP:ANI|Harassment by admin|ts=15:53, 17 December 2009 (UTC)}}
<font color="#C4112F">╟─[[User:TreasuryTag|Treasury]][[User talk:TreasuryTag|Tag]]►[[Special:Contributions/TreasuryTag|<span style="cursor:help;">stannary parliament</span>]]─╢</font> 15:53, 17 December 2009 (UTC)


It's a great community, though slightly elitist.
== Marketcetera ==
Anyone that shows the will to learn and has a decent level knowledge of programming (beginners also get helped, but they wont be spoon fed) will be more than accepted.


If you still feel it's not significant, you should also know that G-D is the home to a lot of "well known" hacks up trough the years, you could discover this by browsing the forum for a while if interested :)
Can you explain your decision on the deletion of this page. I felt that the consensus was not clear, with only two users joining the discussion with the opinion to delete, one of whom making no real arguments at all). Can you please review and consider re-listing. Thanks. [[User:Wikiphile1603|Wikiphile1603]] ([[User talk:Wikiphile1603|talk]]) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 17:48, 17 December 2009 (UTC).</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


I wish you could undelete this article so we can once again Edit the page and shed some light on this great game hacking community.


I would say G-D is the very <b>tip of the sword</b> when it comes to game hacking.
==Comment==
See [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring&diff=332484343&oldid=332484144 here]. Cheers, [[User:NJA|<em style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;color:#6600CC">'''NJA'''</em>]] <small> [[User talk:NJA|<em style="color:#63D1F4">'''(t/</em>]][[Special:Contributions/NJA|<em style="color:#63D1F4">c)</em>]]'''</small> 13:06, 18 December 2009 (UTC)


== Importing pages from the Nostalgia Wikipedia ==


Hi Secret,


I've undone your import at {{noredirect|Current events}} because the non-imported history of that page only goes back to 2006. I'd already imported that history to the correct place, which is at the page [[October 2003]], because the "current events" page used to be moved to a "<month year>" title, and that started in November 2003.


Just take a look here:
I've just created [[User:Graham87/Import]] to record my thoughts on importing pages from the Nostalgia Wikipedia. I hope you don't mind that I've used your import at "ocean" as an example about underlined usernames. I know I've made a few similar mistakes myself, but they involve username changes so I really shouldn't link to them.


[http://forum.gamedeception.net/forumdisplay.php?f=33 This is the tutorial section] which is full of game related tutorials and guides.
Dont feel bad about the mistakes . It's a new tool and everyone is still learning the ropes with it. Regards, '''[[User:Graham87|Graham]]'''<font color="green">[[User talk:Graham87|87]]</font> 07:23, 19 December 2009 (UTC)


[http://forum.gamedeception.net/forumdisplay.php?f=175 This is the Half Life 2 Client Hook section] as you can see from all the sticky threads, it contains pretty much *everything* you can do in the game as far as game hacking (ofcourse new things will be discovered, but if/when they do i'm 100% sure that's coming from G-D).
:I've replaced the diff relating to your import of the [[ocean]] article at [[User:Graham87/Import]] with my own recent mistake at [[x-ray astronomy]]. Whoops! '''[[User:Graham87|Graham]]'''<font color="green">[[User talk:Graham87|87]]</font> 08:14, 24 December 2009 (UTC)


Hope you can take these things into consideration, if not i would like to discuss this more.
== From WP3RR ==


PS:
Please have another look at [[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Japheth_the_Warlock_reported_by_Vidkun_.28talk.29_.28Result:Stale_.29]]. Thanks, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 07:27, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
*And while you're at it, please see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Japheth_the_Warlock this]--user has again reverted. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 07:31, 19 December 2009 (UTC)


We know the article wasn't that great, but it's being rewritten to be better.
== Island Express Air ==
And there's a IRC channel @ irc.rizon.net #game-deception, if you wish to talk to some members.


I am by far a known person (I'm rather new actually), but i feel G-D deserves a spot here at wikipedia as it *does* exist, and it *is* the best source and website available about game hacking.
Hey Jorge, just wanted to let you know that I'm going to re-add the article for [[Island Express Air]], which was an article you had previously deleted for "Unambiguous advertising or promotion". I'm not associated with the airline (or any airline or aviation entity), but I'm one of the main contributors of aviation-related articles for Western Canada. I think I've got a pretty good rep for quality articles that are well-referenced and not spammy. Although it is a very small airline, it's notability comes from the fact that it now makes [[Pitt Meadows Airport]] scheduled service, and that makes it qualify for $3 million per year towards a new terminal, which will allow it to gain additional scheduled airlines. Thanks. [[User:Greg Salter|Greg Salter]] ([[User talk:Greg Salter|talk]]) 19:40, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
I'm sure many members on IRC far more experienced than me can tell you this too.


Just present yourself and say hi, we won't bite..
== Re Congrats ==


== Speedy Deletion Yeshivish Jews ==


-kek
Hi secret. I am not sure if this is the correct forum to voice my frustration over your deletion of the informative and important wiki page regarding yeshivish Jews. My objection is not soley based on the assiduous research I contributed for the page but also for my realization and fascination will the nascent sociological category which yeshivish jews occupy. They are an important sociological phenomena and deserve or attention. I think the page should be reconsidered and you speedy deletion was hasty and uncalled for. Do you have some personal vendeta against yeshivish jews. Did they stain your shirt with the delicious chulent they so often possess. Don't take it personally. My shirt is replete with chulent stains. And I wear them proudly. --[[User:Dcashmoney|Dcashmoney]] ([[User talk:Dcashmoney|talk]]) 02:07, 21 December 2009 (UTC)


Thanks! [[User:KnightLago|KnightLago]] ([[User talk:KnightLago|talk]]) 00:31, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
[[Special:Contributions/148.83.128.14|148.83.128.14]] ([[User talk:148.83.128.14|talk]]) 08:31, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


I agree. The article was not all *that* good, but the site is not unsignificant at all when it comes to online game cheating.
== What to do? ==
the matter could at least be discussed before deleting the article right away.--[[Special:Contributions/87.178.127.29|87.178.127.29]] ([[User talk:87.178.127.29|talk]]) 10:36, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


See [[WP:WEB]] [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 19:58, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi,


== [[Art Houtteman]] and [[Gene Conley]] ==
as you se, there has been reverts after you gave your warning, so i updated the request at the noticeboard. Was that a technically bad thing to do, as i can’t see any block has of 94.192.246.167.


Sounds fun. I got a free weekend, so I should be able to get a really nice article going. [[User:Wizardman|<span style="color:#060">'''''Wizardman'''''</span>]] 00:12, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:94.192.246.167_reported_by_User:segrov_.28Result:3_reverts.2C_no_block.2C_other_party_warned_.29


== Duplicate vote ==
[[User:Segrov|Segrov]] ([[User talk:Segrov|talk]]) 17:00, 21 December 2009 (UTC)


Just a quick note to tell you have supported [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Keilana]] under #107, however you have opposed on #03, you may wish to fix this... <font style="font-variant: small-caps; font-size: 105%">[[User:Qst|Qst]]</font> 15:48, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
== Deletion review request - [[Steve Yegge]] ==


==Deletion reviews==
Noticed his article was gone, I see him mentioned regularly and have read his posts before, and wanted to glance at WP to determine who he was again, compare/contrast [[Zed Shaw]] and a few other regular blogging developers from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Computer%20programmers Category:Computer programmers] ... He's had MSM mention repeatedly over the past half-decade when I skim Google News Archive. I realize that PageRank is not sufficient in itself to attribute notability, but he's on the second page (third individual blogger) if you [http://www.google.com/search?q=programming+blogs Google 'programming blogs'] ... he seems to be at least as notable as others that merited inclusion to me.
An editor has asked for a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review#{{{2|St. Paul Greek Orthodox Church}}}|deletion review]] of [[:St. Paul Greek Orthodox Church]]. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. [[User:John254|John254]] 17:26, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
:Cheers
::&mdash;[[User:Hobart|Hobart]] ([[User talk:Hobart|talk]]) 00:04, 23 December 2009 (UTC)


An editor has asked for a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review#{{{2|Pittsburgh Bulldogs}}}|deletion review]] of [[:Pittsburgh Bulldogs]]. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. [[User:John254|John254]] 17:26, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
== Enjoy the season! ==


==Improper speedy deletions==
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What the hell? Churchs are A7 group, and the Bulldogs are A7 as well team/club, nothing inappropiate about that. [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 18:39, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
== Please contact ArbCom ==


== Deletion of Envox article ==
Hi Secret:


Hello,
{{User|Secret}} has been temporarily desyopped because of concerns that the account may be compromised. This was done under [[Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Procedures#Level_I_procedures|emergency procedures]] and was certified by Arbitrators [[User:Risker|Risker]], [[User:FloNight|FloNight]] and [[User:Roger Davies|Roger Davies]].
I'm writing regarding the Envox Worldwide article that was deleted at the beginning of December 2007 and the comment below:


"The result was delete, while the article was improved, Smerdis of Tlön is right, and those changes weren't formed, I'll be happy to undelete and place it on a user subpage for the editor to improve on the article. Secret account 23:46, 8 December 2007 (UTC)"
For the Arbitration Committee, &nbsp;[[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger&nbsp;Davies'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Roger Davies|'''talk''']]</sup> 20:18, 30 December 2009 (UTC)


If you would please go ahead and undelete the article and place it on a user subpage as noted above it will be re-edited for your review.
:Hi Secret, your message today has been noted. I've put up a "break" template for you, and I hope that things go very well in the coming weeks. When you're ready, touch base with Arbcom, but no rush at all. Best, [[User:Risker|Risker]] ([[User talk:Risker|talk]]) 05:14, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Thank you,
[[User:Turkucken|Turkucken]] ([[User talk:Turkucken|talk]]) 20:18, 7 January 2008 (UTC)Turkucken


== What! ==
Emailing now. [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 19:04, 9 January 2010 (UTC)


There are no attacks which have been made! I treat other users with more respect than they treat me. You should not made such falsehoods about people, as it is a thing called [[slander]].
== Sympathy ==


Anyway, if you had me blocked from editing, a lot of articles and images would be at extreme risk of dying. And I don't care what you claim I did; the articles and images matter ten times more than the feelings of a few users. Freedom of speech, User:Secret. ''Freedom'' of ''Speech''. [[User:Wilhelmina Will|Wilhelmina Will]] ([[User talk:Wilhelmina Will|talk]]) 04:04, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Good God, man...I'm so very sorry to hear about your illness. You're in my thoughts and prayers, and I look forward to your return. Best wishes. [[User:A Stop at Willoughby|A Stop at Willoughby]] ([[User talk:A Stop at Willoughby|talk]]) 16:17, 2 January 2010 (UTC)


My beautiful black rose, I merely stated a fact. ''I'' am the one behind his so-called trauma. ''I'' am the one who nearly drove him off the edge. ''I'' am the one who instigated several edit wars with him (though they all were truced in the end). ''I'' am the one who brought him back again after I realized I was wrong. I ''think'', however, that he is still a little disturbed. But dear, if it makes you unhappy, I shall stop saying such about him. [[User:Wilhelmina Will|Wilhelmina Will]] ([[User talk:Wilhelmina Will|talk]]) 04:17, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Absolutely. All my best as well. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 16:19, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:* Hope everything is okay, Secret. My very best, [[User talk:AGK|AGK]] 00:24, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
::I don't think that we have ever interacted, but I would like to wish you a speedy treatment and recovery. Good luck and God bless, —<font face="Baskerville Old Face">[[User:the_ed17|<font color="800000">Ed]]&nbsp;[[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="800000">(talk</font>]] • [[WP:OMT|<font color="800000">majestic titan)]]</font> 05:59, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Good luck Secret, I wish you the best of luck in your recovery. [[User:Ktr101|Kevin Rutherford]] ([[User_talk:Ktr101|talk]]) 00:45, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
:: Thanks I was just released from the hospital earlier today, but I still have a long recovery ahead. I still have to go to rehab basically for the rest of my life, and miss a semester of school, and work. This illness was thankfully caught in an early stage, and I should live a normal life, but I could go to attacks at anytime, even with medication. Thanks for all your support. [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 18:51, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I'm a tad bit curious. What is the illness? You don't have to answer, I'm just wondering. <font face="Segoe Print">[[User:TTTSNB|<font color=#05C>Th<font color=#07A>e T<font color=#098>hi<font color=#0B6>ng]] [[User:TTTSNB/ER|<sub><font color=#F70>Ed<font color=F60>it<font color=#F50>or <font color=#F40>Rev<font color=F20>iew</sub>]]</span> 16:35, 12 January 2010 (UTC)


== Robin Graham page deletion (October 22, 2007) ==
== JamshidAwal ==


I have only just noticed that this page which I spent a great deal of time researching has been deleted due to the alleged "lack of importance" of Robin Graham.
Hi there I believe you have disputed the neutrality my article about hon.Ali Mirzad. I agree with your findings and did the necessary edits . please remove your Dispute Stamp at your earliest convenience. thank you
--[[User:JamshidAwal|JamshidAwal]] ([[User talk:JamshidAwal|talk]]) 23:40, 3 January 2010 (UTC)


I disagree.
== Solar elastosis ==


Robin's disappearance changed California Highway Patrol policy toward stranded female motorists; her disappearance has been examined by a number of television programs over the years. But because she predates the internet and newspapers online (even the L.A. Times articles aren't available through their online archives), she is dismissed.
Hi Secret,
I see you're off-wiki for health reasons, and I wish you well in whatever treatment you are having, and hope the outcome is as good as can be. I've recreated this page you deleted back in 2008 citing CSD A1. Its now a redirect page to [[actinic elastosis]], which I've also created. Its short, but a work in progress, and an important condition in dermatopathology, especially in Australia. Best wishes, [[User:Mattopaedia|<font color='Indigo'><b>Matto</b></font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mattopaedia|<font color='DodgerBlue'>paedia </font>]][[User talk:Mattopaedia|<font color='Olive'> <sup>Have a yarn</sup></font>]] 09:39, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
==Meetup==
I proposed a new meeting day, time and place here [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Meetup/Miami_3] under the section "New Suggestion" [[User:NancyHeise|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="#E75480">Nancy</font><font color="#960018">Heise</font></font>''']] <sup> [[User talk:NancyHeise#top|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="#F6ADC6">talk</font></font>]]</sup> 07:21, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:Hi Secret, I did not realize you had a health issue until I saw your post on the meetup Miami page. I just want to say that I wish you a speedy recovery and will keep you in my prayers. I hope you are able to make the meeting. Please let us know what day, time and place are good for you. [[User:NancyHeise|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="#E75480">Nancy</font><font color="#960018">Heise</font></font>''']] <sup> [[User talk:NancyHeise#top|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="#F6ADC6">talk</font></font>]]</sup> 03:22, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


I don't see how she is *less* important than Donna Lass, the woman who preceded her on the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_who_have_disappeared page (which has ALSO been edited to remove Robin Graham).
== WikiCup participation ==


Many people have speculated through the years that Robin was also a victim of the Zodiac Killer; doesn't that put on equal footing with Lass? [[User:LynnMaudlin|LynnMaudlin]] ([[User talk:LynnMaudlin|talk]]) 06:25, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Choose a flag. Make sure it's of a real current or historical place, not taken by another competitor, and under a free license. If you're not bothered, I can assign one. Then, meet me on my talk page in two minutes. Make sure you're not followed. I'll get you in. But from then on, you're on your own. God save the Queen. [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 13:16, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
:Ok, you're in- [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2010/Submissions/Secret]], and take a read of [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Scoring]], and you know where the talk page is for any questions. [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 13:32, 19 January 2010 (UTC)


Can you [[WP:CITE]] those with [[WP:RS|reliable sources]], in the article, it wasn't mentioned that it did all these stuff, just another murder. [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 13:51, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
== Userfy deleted article request ==


On Robin's page I did cite newspaper articles; unfortunately when it's through "NewspaperARCHIVE.com" it's not an open source and one has to register and pay a small amount of money to access the pages. I was under the impression I'd saved all those pages on my computer but it turns out that NewspaperARCHIVE.com doesn't actually allow you to save the salient bits (grrrr - and it takes time to save those pages!)
Could you please userfy the deleted article [[Okashina Okashi - Strange Candy]] to my user space? That would allow it to be improved to address the issues raised in the AfD. Thanks. [[User:Dragoneer|Dragoneer]] ([[User talk:Dragoneer|talk]]) 19:50, 19 January 2010 (UTC)


Without buying another membership from these guys, I can tell you the Long Beach Press Telegram - NewspaperArchive - Jan 8, 1974 - contains an article about the CHP policy changes stemming from this event. Google's search stream was:
I'm no longer an adminstrator, I can't help. Sorry about that. [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 21:21, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=CHP+policy+changes+robin+graham&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&tab=wn&sa=N&sugg=d&as_ldate=1970&as_hdate=1979&lnav=d4&hdrange=1993,2007


There was a fair amount of L.A. Times coverage but I couldn't access it (I can head down to the library and search the microfiche although *new* they now have the articles "for sale" online but, again, they won't be visible to anybody else wanting to access them without also paying for them) and then a lot of local articles and interviews and the CHP trying to explain why they didn't stop to help the girl, etc. Google search which now pulls up L.A. Times articles:
== Talkback ==
http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=robin+graham+freeway+disappearance+1970+&btnG=Search+Archives&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&um=1


If you can look at the page as I wrote it and check the reference links I put in, perhaps there's enough there to convince you to the notability of this person. I am reluctant but willing (cost-to-value ratio) to re-up with NewspaperARCHIVE.com although I don't know what good *that* does since the links will be like the one(s) I already put in the page. Or at least let me know what kind of citations you would find adequate, considering this is the internet. Thanks [[User:LynnMaudlin|LynnMaudlin]] ([[User talk:LynnMaudlin|talk]]) 07:16, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
{{talkback|WT:CUP|Joining late?|ts=20:09, 19 January 2010 (UTC)}}
—<font face="Baskerville Old Face">[[User:the_ed17|<font color="800000">Ed]]&nbsp;[[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="800000">(talk</font>]] • [[WP:OMT|<font color="800000">majestic titan)]]</font> 20:09, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
==Request==
Can you please provide me a copy of the deleted [[Otis Wiley]] article and place it [[User:Ringerfan23/Otis Wiley|Here]]. Thank you![[User:Ringerfan23|RF23]] ([[User talk:Ringerfan23|talk]]) 22:40, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
:Secret is offline for a while - but I have logged your request [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion/Current_requests#Otis_Wiley here]. In the future you can also always contact [[:Category:Wikipedia administrators who will provide copies of deleted articles|Wikipedia administrators who will provide copies of deleted articles]]. Regards, [[User talk:7|<span style="background:#acf;padding:4px;color:white;text-shadow:black 0.2em 0.2em 0.3em">&nbsp;'''7'''&nbsp;</span>]] 23:13, 21 January 2010 (UTC)


:Secret, in case you pop in, I've handled the request. Best to you with your health issues. --[[User:Fabrictramp|<font color="#228b22" face="comic sans ms">Fabrictramp</font>]] | [[User talk:Fabrictramp|<font color="#960018" face="Papyrus">talk to me</font>]] 08:13, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
Still waiting for further info from you-- [[User:LynnMaudlin|LynnMaudlin]] ([[User talk:LynnMaudlin|talk]]) 01:12, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


== Ilonka Karasz page ==
==Kasubi==
I tried to start a page on [[Kasubi]], a hill of significant cultural and traditional importance among the [[Baganda]] people in central Uganda. The hill is situated within the city of [[Kampala]], [[Uganda]]'s capital. You previously deleted a page with a similar name. Is it OK for me to write about this location?[[User:Fsmatovu|Fsmatovu]] ([[User talk:Fsmatovu|talk]]) 01:31, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


Hello,
== Talkback ==


I see that the Ilonka Karasz page has been deleted with a code indicated copyright infringement because similar text is on a page related to the Georgia Museum of Art. I am the author of both that text and the text submitted to Wikipedia and I am an employee of the Georgia Museum of Art and author of the only book on Ilonka Karasz (published by the Georgia Museum of Art).
{{talkback|Dabomb87|RFA?|ts=22:56, 28 January 2010 (UTC)}}
Can you please put the Ilonka Karasz page back on Wikipedia?
[[User:Dabomb87|Dabomb87]] ([[User talk:Dabomb87|talk]]) 22:56, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
==Miami meetup==
Are we meeting tomorrow? We need to decide what time and where exactly. Please offer comments at the meetup page here [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Meetup/Miami_3]. [[User:NancyHeise|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="#E75480">Nancy</font><font color="#960018">Heise</font></font>''']] <sup> [[User talk:NancyHeise#top|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="#F6ADC6">talk</font></font>]]</sup> 01:58, 30 January 2010 (UTC)


Thanks,
== DYK for Roddy Burdine ==


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You have to communicate the [[WP:OTRS]] to release it to the GFDL. Thanks [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 01:13, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
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==Rollback==
==WikiCup 2010 January newsletter==
====[[User:Smitty4802]]====
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*{{Usercheck-short|Smitty4802}}&nbsp;<tt>|</tt>&nbsp;<span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:Special:Userrights|user={{urlencode:Smitty4802}}}}<span style="color:#002bb8">'''give rollback'''</span>]
We are half way through round one of the WikiCup. We've had some shakeups regarding late entries, flag changes and early dropouts, but the competition is now established- there will be no more flag changes or new competitors. Congratulations to {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Sasata}}, our current leader, who, at the time of writing, has more listed points than {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Hunter Kahn}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|TonyTheTiger}} (second and third place respectively) combined. A special well done also goes to {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Fetchcomms}}- his artcle [[Jewel Box (St. Louis, Missouri)]] was the first content to score points in the competition.
:Reverting vandalism [[User:Smitty4802|Smitty]] ([[User talk:Smitty4802|talk]])
::Fixing request. [[User:Nakon|<font color="#CC5500">Nakon</font>]] 01:48, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
::I prefer someone with more experience to request the tool, sorry. Maybe with more edits, {{not done}}. [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 01:48, 10 January 2008 (UTC)


Would you reconsider this one? The vandalism reversions were good, and marked as such. [[User:Viridae|Viridae]][[User talk:Viridae|<small><sup>Talk</sup></small>]] 01:53, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Around half of competitors are yet to score. Please remember to submit content soon after it is promoted, so that the judges are able to review entries. 64 of the 149 current competitors will advance to round 2- if you currently have no points, do not worry, as over half of the current top 64 have under 50 points. Everyone needs to get their entries in now to guarantee their places in round 2! If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, and you hope to get it promoted before the end of the round, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]] and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, by email or on IRC. Good luck! [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]], [[User:Garden|Garden]], [[User:iMatthew|iMatthew]] and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] <small>Delivered by [[User:JCbot|JCbot]] ([[User talk:JCbot|talk]]) at 00:20, 1 February 2010 (UTC)</small>


I prefer someone with enough of an edit history to have rollback, to check if he's trusted. For me 37 edits, including about 20 mainspace, isn't enough experience for rollback. Sorry [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 01:57, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
== DYK for Ben Paschal ==
:Ok, fair enough. [[User:Viridae|Viridae]][[User talk:Viridae|<small><sup>Talk</sup></small>]] 01:58, 10 January 2008 (UTC)


== Rollback ==


You approved me for rollback but in the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=user%3AOysterguitarist log] it says none to none shouldn't it be none to rollbacker, cause I'm not getting the rollback link, thanks. [[User:Oysterguitarist|Oyster]][[User talk:Oysterguitarist|'''guitarist''']] 03:51, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
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== RfA ==
High praise indeed, and it's nice to be noticed. I'd certainly like to take a shot at RfA, and will probably do so within the next few weeks, or so. My only concern is that my mainspace conributions are a little thin, but I'm willing to stand on the merits and see what happens. Though I don't plan to canvass, I will let you know if and when I make the request. Again, thanks for the kind words. [[User:Ultraexactzz|UltraExactZZ]] <sup> [[User_talk:Ultraexactzz|Claims]] </sup>~<small> [[Special:Contributions/Ultraexactzz|Evidence]] </small> 04:23, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

== Jumping the gun? ==

It appears to be moot now, but do be cautious about granting rollback in the future. You granted rollback to CastAStone four minutes after his request was posted; please allow a little more time in the future (if the process remains at all similar to what was there before).

You might have been misled by the endorsement by Merovingian; he was adding 'support' notices to ''all'' of the candidates on the page without doing any review. (Merovingian endorsed CastAStone less than a minute after CastAStone's request was posted; he's being rather [[WP:POINT]]y.) Cheers, [[User:TenOfAllTrades|TenOfAllTrades]]([[User_talk:TenOfAllTrades|talk]]) 04:42, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I had prior experiences with CastAStone, and I never had any concerns, I admit I was looking though his edits a few days back, checking if he was suitable for adminship. Thanks [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 04:47, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:Thanks Secret, I promise to only use the tool for good. I also appreciate the complement regarding adminship; I'm still at least a thousand edits short of the experience needed as I'm still discovering features of the site I'd never heard of. I hope you didn't find anything you didn't like in your search...--[[User:CastAStone|CastAStone]][[User talk:CastAStone|/<sup>/(talk)</sup>]] 17:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

== Tata Nano ==

Shouldn't you discuss before making [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&diff=183540382&oldid=183534731 this edit]? --[[User:Mellisa Anthony Jones|MAJones]] ([[User talk:Mellisa Anthony Jones|talk]]) 02:08, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I did just right now [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 02:11, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

== Improvement of My Anime List article after speedy deletion ==

okay the article I had written for My Anime List was deleted without discussion. fair enough. On its talk page however I had asked why it deserves to be deleted as opposed to a similar page with less references, namely [[AniDB]]. If you could point out to me what aniDB has that my article lacks that would be greatly helpful to me when improving my article. Thanks. [[User:Kei-clone|Kei-clone]] ([[User talk:Kei-clone|talk]]) 04:13, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

See [[WP:WEB]], and [[WP:RS]] [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 04:16, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

== Thanks! ==

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|On [[Wikipedia:Recent_additions#February 2 2010|February 2, 2010]], '''[[:Template:Did you know|Did you know?]]''' was updated with a fact from the article '''''[[Ben Paschal]]''''', which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page <small>([[User:Rjanag/Pageview stats|here's how]], [http://stats.grok.se/en/201002/Ben_Paschal quick check] )</small> and add it to [[WP:DYKSTATS|DYKSTATS]] if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the [[:Template talk:Did you know|Did you know? talk page]].

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== Deletion of an artical about MeeMix ==

Hey there,

I noticed that you have deleted the article I submitted about MeeMix.
This is my first submission so I may have made some errors.

However the reason given was that the article was an advertisement for a site.
As I know Wiki is not a place for that kind of articles I made sure to give my neutral and factual impression of the service and its nature.

I think that the sites has redefined musical taste prediction abilities beyond the web and there for wrought about it.

Please let me know what did you see as advertisement and why does the works on MeeMix as a new way of predicting taste not relevant to Wikipedia?

Thanks,
Meron <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:MeronSholman|MeronSholman]] ([[User talk:MeronSholman|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/MeronSholman|contribs]]) 12:26, 11 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

I didn't deleted because of spam, I deleted it because it failed [[WP:WEB]] [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 22:52, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your replay. I have rewrote the definition and would love to get your impute. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:MeronSholman|MeronSholman]] ([[User talk:MeronSholman|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/MeronSholman|contribs]]) 10:24, 14 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Removed prod on [[Marlins top Draft picks]] ==

I have removed the {{tl|prod}} tag from [[Marlins top Draft picks]], which you proposed for deletion, because I think that this article should not be deleted from Wikipedia. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the {{tl|prod}} template back to the article. Instead, feel free to list it at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion]]. Thanks! <!-- [[Template:Deprod-disagree]] --> -- '''[[User:Atama|<span style="color:#F00">At</span><span style="color:#B00">am</span><span style="color:#600">a</span>]][[User talk:Atama|<sup><span style="color:#000">chat</span></sup>]]''' 01:38, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

== [[Detroit Tigers nicknames]] ==

You marked this as an Unsourced list. [[User:Cbl62]] removed your tag. I'm not sure if that was appropriate. The sources were already there in the article, actually, but they weren't showing up correctly because of the syntax. I've been working on cleaning up the syntax. I'm just informing you that the sources are there. [[User:Kingturtle|Kingturtle]] ([[User talk:Kingturtle|talk]]) 18:17, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

==Question==
Hey I had a question to ask you, i was looking through your list of articles that you created or expanded, and on a couple of the pages i couldn't find your name in the history at all. [[Greg Landry]], and [[Joe Page]] are a couple ones i noticed. So i was just wandering what was up with that. [[User:Hatmatbbat10|Hatmatbbat10]] ([[User talk:Hatmatbbat10|talk]]) 19:52, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Just click on the original author userpage, and you'll see why (per privaty concerns) [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 19:54, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

All of them written of my first account, I'm trying to get the edits transfered here. [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 19:56, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

== Reply ==

Okay, than help me.

How do I find vandalism? --[[User:HPJoker|<font color="red">HP</font><font color="tan">Jo</font><font color="blue">ker</font>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:HPJoker|Leave me a message]]</sup>''' 21:59, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Your watchlist or [[WP:RC]] would help. [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 22:08, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

: Watchlist. Never have experimented with that. Only have my archives on there. How do I use that? Remember I just got the tool and am new to this whole thing.
: Also, what do I look for in recent changes? --[[User:HPJoker|<font color="red">HP</font><font color="tan">Jo</font><font color="blue">ker</font>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:HPJoker|Leave me a message]]</sup>''' 22:21, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Watchlist articles that you are interested on, and if you see a suspitious edit, check if it's vandalism, the way you watchlist articles is my clicking the watch tab on a top of an article. As for RC, same thing, click recent changes, and if you see something suspitious, click on the dif then check if it's vandalism and rollback. [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 22:23, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

== [[James Chester]] ==

Thank you for being so stringent with the notability criteria laid down at [[WP:BIO]]. However, per a recent (archived) discussion at [[WP:FOOTY]], a footballer is now notable if he has been given a squad number by his club for a competition of at least national repute. However, if he fails to make an appearance by the end of the season, or he is not given a squad number for the next season, his notability may be brought into question. – [[User:PeeJay2K3|Pee]][[User talk:PeeJay2K3|Jay]] 23:55, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

== [[Charlie Wittmack]] ==

Hi. The page [[Charlie Wittmack]] was recreated -- by the same user with basically the same text -- after you deleted it earlier today (then named [[Charles Wittmack]]). Should I just CSD tag it again? [[Special:Random|&mdash;]][[User:Noah_Salzman|Noah]] 01:17, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I'm just learning Wikipedia. I believe the page Charlie Wittmack is within the guidelines of Wiki. He is the first Iowan to summit Everest, as shown here[http://www.radioiowa.com/gestalt/go.cfm?objectid=E5118DE2-A948-4031-AEB04DB3D696E8D7]. If you agree please undelete.[[User:Nealmueller|Nealmueller]] ([[User talk:Nealmueller|talk]]) 05:32, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

== Response on Robin Graham page ==

On Robin's page I did cite newspaper articles; unfortunately when it's through "NewspaperARCHIVE.com" it's not an open source and one has to register and pay a small amount of money to access the pages. I was under the impression I'd saved all those pages on my computer but it turns out that NewspaperARCHIVE.com doesn't actually allow you to save the salient bits (grrrr - and it takes time to save those pages!)

Without buying another membership from these guys, I can tell you the Long Beach Press Telegram - NewspaperArchive - Jan 8, 1974 - contains an article about the CHP policy changes stemming from this event. Google's search stream was:
http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=CHP+policy+changes+robin+graham&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&tab=wn&sa=N&sugg=d&as_ldate=1970&as_hdate=1979&lnav=d4&hdrange=1993,2007

There was a fair amount of L.A. Times coverage but I couldn't access it (I can head down to the library and search the microfiche although *new* they now have the articles "for sale" online but, again, they won't be visible to anybody else wanting to access them without also paying for them) and then a lot of local articles and interviews and the CHP trying to explain why they didn't stop to help the girl, etc. Google search which now pulls up L.A. Times articles:
http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=robin+graham+freeway+disappearance+1970+&btnG=Search+Archives&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&um=1

If you can look at the page as I wrote it and check the reference links I put in, perhaps there's enough there to convince you to the notability of this person. I am reluctant but willing (cost-to-value ratio) to re-up with NewspaperARCHIVE.com although I don't know what good *that* does since the links will be like the one(s) I already put in the page. Or at least let me know what kind of citations you would find adequate, considering this is the internet. Thanks [[User:LynnMaudlin|LynnMaudlin]] ([[User talk:LynnMaudlin|talk]]) 07:16, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Still waiting for further info from you-- [[User:LynnMaudlin|LynnMaudlin]] ([[User talk:LynnMaudlin|talk]]) 01:12, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Ditto - [[User:LynnMaudlin|LynnMaudlin]] ([[User talk:LynnMaudlin|talk]]) 06:19, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I undeleted it a few days back [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 18:43, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

--doh!-- Thanks; I will improve citations to be more consistent with Wikipedia guidelines [[User:LynnMaudlin|LynnMaudlin]] ([[User talk:LynnMaudlin|talk]]) 23:52, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

== [[Blackie Towery]] speedied ==

Hi. I see you speedied the [[Blackie Towery]] article on Jan. 8. I dug up some sources and re-started it. (And there's much more I can say about the guy; I'll try to expand the article later.) In the future, if you see any substub NBA bios, just send them my way instead of deleting them on sight. I can usually find enough info to build a decent article after a few minutes of searching. [[User: Zagalejo|Zagalejo]]'''[[User talk:Zagalejo|^^^]]''' 21:42, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok, anyways the article I deleted just gave some stats and couldn't tell what it really was, obvious A1. Thanks [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 21:43, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Yea I just noticed the Position: F-C, my fault [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 21:47, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:I'll see what I can do with the Shason article. It might be tougher, as it's on an Israeli player. Thanks for letting me know, though. [[User: Zagalejo|Zagalejo]]'''[[User talk:Zagalejo|^^^]]''' 22:19, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:Well, I can access the [[Jerusalem Post]] with Newsbank, and there are some other articles available online. I should be able to clean it up a little bit. I'll get to it sometime later tonight. [[User: Zagalejo|Zagalejo]]'''[[User talk:Zagalejo|^^^]]''' 22:26, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

== Deletion of UAlbany Student Association ==

Why was it deleted??? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:R ingber|R ingber]] ([[User talk:R ingber|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/R ingber|contribs]]) 23:23, 13 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== bars and clubs on Capitol Hill, Seattle ==

I see you've prod'd [[List of bars and clubs on Capitol Hill, Seattle]]. Could you please see my comment at [[Talk:List of bars and clubs on Capitol Hill, Seattle]] and reply there? Thanks. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] | [[User talk:Jmabel|Talk]] 03:51, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

==Myanmar Women's Affairs Federation‎==

Why did they delete this article Myanmar Women's Affairs Federation‎ ? I wrote this artile with my word but delete. why--[[User:Ekyaw|Ekyaw]] ([[User talk:Ekyaw|talk]]) 05:29, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

See [[WP:ORG]] [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 23:57, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Hey do u need notibility? This organizationi is one of the leading organization in Myanmar for Myanmar Women affair. They have many activities. Search for it. Why do u delete? Did u know this organization? If you want to know more about it you must search in WWW and The World Women affair organization and ASEAN womean affair organizatin. Thank you.--[[User:Ekyaw|Ekyaw]] ([[User talk:Ekyaw|talk]]) 12:12, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Again [[WP:ORG]], and [[WP:RS]], [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 18:22, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

== RfA thanks ==

{{User:John Carter/Thank you}} [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 21:53, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

== A technical question ==

On the Joe Klein AfD debate you write in part, "Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page...." My question is exactly how can people write on a discussion page of an article that's been deleted? There were a couple of comments on the discussion page and those are now gone.<br>--[[User:Nbahn|NBahn]] ([[User talk:Nbahn|talk]]) 02:20, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Link to AFD please. [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 02:22, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

:[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joe Klein's 21st November 2007 Time magazine column|Here.]]<br>--[[User:Nbahn|NBahn]] ([[User talk:Nbahn|talk]]) 02:38, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh thats a template in which all AFDs are closed with, which means any further comment about the AFD goes to the talk page. [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 02:40, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

:I see; thank you for the courtesy of your reply.<br>--[[User:Nbahn|NBahn]] ([[User talk:Nbahn|talk]]) 02:45, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

== Rudget! ==


<div style="background-color: white; border: #5B92E5 solid 2px; margin-bottom:.5em; padding: 5px; font-family: trebuchet ms, sans-serif;">[[Image:Broom_icon.svg|left|100px]]<font color="#084C9E">Dear Secret, my sincere thanks for your support in [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Rudget 2|my second request for adminship]], which ended with '''113''' supports, '''11''' opposes, and '''4''' neutral. I would especially like to thank [[User:Rudget/AC|my admin coach and nominator]], [[User:Rlevse|Rlevse]] and [[User:Ryan Postlethwaite|Ryan Postlethwaite]] who in addition to [[User:Ioeth|Ioeth]] all inspired me to run for a second candidacy. I would also like to make a special mention to [[User:Phoenix-wiki|Phoenix-wiki]], [[User:Dihydrogen Monoxide|Dihyrdogen Monoxide]] and [[User:OhanaUnited|OhanaUnited]] who all offered to do co-nominations, but I unfortunately had to decline. I had all these funny ideas that it would fail again, and I was prepared for the worst, but at least it showed that [[Wikipedia:Community portal|the community]] really does have something [[Facebook|other places]] don't. Who would have though [[Gmail]] would have been so effective? 32 emails in one week! (Even if it does classify some as junk :P) I'm glad that I've been appointed after a nail biting and some might call, decision changing RFA, but if you ever need anything, just get in touch. The very best of luck for 2008 and beyond, [[User:Rudget|<span style="color:#171788;font-weight:bold">Rudget</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Rudget|.]] 16:37, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
== [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2010]] ==
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==Awesome Article!==
Please do not update the table yourself- update your submissions page, and let the bot update the table. Thanks. [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 19:03, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
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Revision as of 02:24, 3 February 2010

My Archives, note unsigned comments will be removed, no exceptions

Deletion of My Anime List Article

It seems you deleted this page without giving any reason. A 'Reason Against Deletion' post was placed on the talk page, was it completely disregarded? CanadaAotS (talk) 04:00, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind, I see it has a reason now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CanadaAotS (talkcontribs) 04:01, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of WHATWG Article

Hey, I noticed that you deleted the WHATWG article for the following reasons "not indicate subject's importance or significance: group with no claim of notabilty, no Reliable sources)". This seems a little extreme, as the WHATWG is a fairly important/notable group, as they are currently writing the draft of HTML 5, one of the two main possible successors to the current web markup language. To say that they have no claim of notability is quite a bit wrong. For example, there have been several articles on the front page of slashdot about their efforts. So that seems to very much nullify the claim of not being notable which you make in the delete log. As for the sources in the article, although they may not exactly follow wikipedia standards, they seem pretty good to me (the official whatwg website, an interview with an MS developer about them, and info from the W3C website about the WHATWG and their actions with respect to them). And finally, as far as failing to indicate the subject's importance, I feel that this quote from the deleted article "On 2007-04-10, the Mozilla Foundation, Apple and Opera Software proposed[6] that the new HTML working group of the W3C adopt the WHATWG’s HTML5 as the starting point of its work and name its future deliverable "HTML 5". On 2007-05-09, the new HTML working group resolved to do that.[7]" somewhat addresses the notability of their efforts, although it could be better done. It seems like 5 minutes on google and a quick edit or flagging the article or starting a discussion on the talk page would have been more useful. --207.207.127.247 (talk) 05:07, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

agree, please restore. riffic (talk) 06:08, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Web Hypertext Application Technology Working Group. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. riffic (talk) 06:36, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article was restored per obvious consensus at AfD. I recommend you be more careful in speedily deleting articles, especially when the articles have a long edit history and have received a high importance rating by the Version 1.0 Editorial Team. Cheers, trialsanderrors (talk) 13:39, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What I saw is a nn group and sources that doesn't seem reliable, i know squat about computers, the AFD should be unclosed those for more opinions, as I still don't see any notabilty Secret account 19:38, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your support throughout my RfA process. I very much noticed and appreciated your efforts. It was quite a dramatic debate! And a very close call, but I'm very happy that the third time turned out to be the charm.  :) Thanks again, Elonka 09:19, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


FRING

Hi there, Please can we bring back the article about fring I have prepared an article at this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:135.245.72.35/Fring_(draft) and i am sure it can be added without being deleted. If it is deleted again then the article about truphone should also be deleted.

These are both destructive technologies and they both deserve an article on wikipedia.

Thank you

regards

Goplett (talk) 13:40, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ahem

I have not violated 3RR, and I do not take your accusation that I have kindly. I also direct you to [[1]]. This is a policy and cannot be ignored. Jtrainor (talk) 22:17, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I warned you for it, I didn't say you broke it Secret account 22:18, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also that section applies mainly to wikiprojects and groups of editors Secret account 22:19, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You don't get to warn anyone for 3RR unless they break it, which I have not. Give me credit for being able to count to three, please. Jtrainor (talk) 22:21, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You could warn people if they reached three reverts. Secret account 22:22, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Notability

Hi. It looks like you are going to be taking a break. When you get back I'd like to chat about the notability infrastructure. You seem pretty well experienced and I'd like to find out why we are comming to different conclusions on the right approach. Have a great holiday! --Kevin Murray (talk) 22:37, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yea would do when I get the time. Thanks Secret account 22:40, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rochester Institute of Technology Model Railroad Club

Hi Secret. I would like to ask you to reverse your closure of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rochester Institute of Technology Model Railroad Club. The article was modified during the discussion, which I pointed out as the final comment on the page, but no one ever went back to look at the article again to see if it was improved. Furthermore, I believe the established standard of "multiple reliable sources" was ignored in this discussion for no good reason, and thus that those arguments should have been given less weight in the analysis.

For example: Cirt's reasoning was that it was a) unsourced, b) non-notable, and c) original research. The revisions made to the article invalidated at least two and possibly all three of those arguments. It was no longer unsourced, which also meant it was no longer original research. Notability might still be an issue, but I believe it's established by precedent due to the multiple reliable sources that were found.

jj37 simply referenced Cirt's reasoning, and so that !vote is called into similar question.

LonleyBeacon never responded to my additional question and request for clarification; LB's objection was that the D&C articles were not primarily about the club, but the policy he quoted says only that coverage must be "more than trivial", which said articles demonstrably are. That objection to LB's reasoning was never addressed.

Storkk had similar concerns, but yet still only said "Weak Delete".

Bearian had no opinion on the main club article.

DGG mentioned only that "[a] single writeup in a hobbyist publication is not sufficient notability", which is true, except DGG apparently ignored the other reliable sources, and never responded to my question pointing that out.

So in my opinion, each of the delete !votes are either weak or have remaining unresolved questions. I don't think there was a clear consensus for deletion in that discussion.

Thanks for your time. Powers T 02:48, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Take it to DRV, I just don't see the significant improvement, the sources listed are way too trivial mentions, and it still reads like an advert for the club. Secret account 20:44, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As you wish. Powers T 20:28, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you!

Hey there! Thanks very much for your support in my recent RFA, which was successful. I was humbled by the support I received, and will do my best to live up to it by using the tools wisely and for the benefit of the encyclopedia. Thanks again! Tony Fox (arf!) 06:03, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of "Green Chri$tma$"

I'm not the original author of the entry, but I am the person who established it under its correct name (the S's as dollar signs).

As far as I can decipher the reasons for the deletion, they are that the article was "unsourced, non-notable, boosterism/ad". I don't remember the article exactly, so in its absence, for the moment I won't argue with the "unsourced". If that's a problem, I can provide better sourcing.

As for the other two reasons, I believe they apply to it no more than to articles on Simpsons characters or episodes.

Could this deletion be reviewed? Thanks.

Zgystardst (talk) 06:51, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WP:PROD restore Secret account 13:15, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Captain Proton question

Secret, I was looking back over the Captain Proton deletion and noted that when you closed/deleted the article, you did so stating "Keep section didn't have one policy based reason". Looking over it, though, the Delete camp cited no policies either and the overall consensus was mixed with a lean toward Keep. I had thought (read it somewhere on Wikiedia IIRC) that the default action was keep in situations like this where there's no clear consensus and no clearcut policy rule. The only thing quoted/linked was the guideline Reliable Sources. Right now, I'm in a discussion that is eerily similar to the concerns regarding the Captain Proton page, but with less notability. Regardless, it may be notable within the highly-notable master topic, just as (for example) Section 31 is to Star Trek or The Adventures of Captain Proton is to Star Trek: Voyager. There appears to be a major lack of consistency and we're trying to figure out how to go about this on future articles (and personally I still hold out hope that the Captain Proton "decision" will be reversed eventually). Thank you in advance for helping me understand the reasoning. VigilancePrime (talk) 07:13, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I was cleaning up some links from this per the MfD. Can you add Wikipedia:New user log/November 2007 and Wikipedia:New user log/December 2007 in the archives section and then blank those comments off of the page. Regards.--12 Noon  00:10, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind, I did not realize you were away until after I posted this - I'll just do an {{editprotect}} on the talk page. Regards.--12 Noon  01:50, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WP:RB

Is your sports cards offer still good on the WP:RB? Tyrone Wheatley is coming up in the queue at WP:GAC--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 04:28, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/IRC/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/IRC/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Thatcher 00:46, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Minor" edit?

Deletion of an entire section of an article (such as the trivia section from Cleveland Indians) is NOT a minor edit. Please don't mark them as such. Also, please see WP:TRIVIA for more information about trivia sections. --DachannienTalkContrib 05:32, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I know about WP:TRIVIA, but that if there is something to merge, I do mark reverts as minor edits as long as most of my edits, the only time I don't mark anything as minor edits is if I add content to an article, or if I deal with wikipedia mainspace. I know how to edit, and I know all thos policies, I been in this project since 2005, don't need to remind me. Secret account 21:36, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your block of a malicious user

Secret, I want to thank you for indefinitely blocking the user Jjj222 and all his/her various and sundry sockpuppets. This person is by far the most malicious vandal I've seen, in that his persistence is extraordinary. One potential problem is that the anonymous IP address that he uses, 68.173.209.19 was only blocked for one month, set to elapse in the second week of January. If you will look at this IP addresses talk page, you'll see that it has a long history of being blocked for persistent vandalism. I implore you to please permanently block this IP address, as this user has shown in the past that if given the slightest amount of leniency, he/she will abuse it to no end. This user has almost led me to give up Wikipedia entirely, and I've been around in one form or another from the very beginning. Life has been so much better for me and everyone who edits baseball since you banned this person - please, continue the peace and productive editing by permanently banning this IP address. Thank you, and Happy New Year, Googie man (talk) 17:00, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

IPs can't be blocked indef unless it's a open proxy, which this isn't Secret account 19:55, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of characters in Titanic (1997 film)

Hello, Secret. If you look here and here, you'll see the brief discussion that took place about your having redirected the List of characters in Titanic (1997 film) article to Titanic (1997 film), which provides the reason why I restored that article. I understand your reason for having redirected that article, and if I don't get a good chance to fix up that article soon, then, of course, put that article up for a deletion debate again. For now, however, I ask you to allow more time for its improvement. I'll see you around. Flyer22 (talk) 02:18, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That is the reason why I redirected instead of re AFD it, it's loaded with speculation, WP:NOR, etc. I wanted someone to clean it up without lossing the history. I'll re AFD in a month if it isn't improved. Thanks Secret account 19:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You stated that you were nominating all the articles in the associated template. However, you did not list the articles in the AfD or tag the articles and direct editors to the centralised discussion. So for now I am only deleting the article listed. I suggest you create another AfD for the remainder, and refer to this one as a precedent. --Stephen 08:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That was my fault, I had to work after that AFD, couldn't tag them all, and I don't use autoscripts. I'm now semi-active. Thanks Secret account 19:57, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RfA thanks

Thank you for voting in my RfA, which passed nearly unanimously with 46 support, 1 oppose, and 0 neutral. Thanks for supporting me!

-Djsasso (talk) 17:36, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies for pestering, but....

Could you please let me know where you stand with my request from "Your block of a malicious user", above? Thanks, Googie man (talk) 18:35, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Template vandal.

Yeah, first I thought it could have been an accident... then I thought "no way lol". Majorly beat me to the block though. I saw it too. :( · AndonicO Hail! 23:47, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of Game Deception article

Hi, first of all, please excuse my grammar and spelling, English is not my native language so sometimes things get a bit messed up.

Now back to business:

How can you say that Game Deception (referred to as G-D from now) does not assert significance?

Nearly *every* cheat available to any game, online or not is made either by knowledge found on G-D or by persons that write topics on G-D. (okay im exaggerating but a significant amount of them).

The article goes hand in hand with the Cheating in Online Games article, and if PunkBuster warrants an article, so should G-D.

It's a website that's been here since the beginning, where anyone who would like to get into game hacking, or just advanced programming should go.

There's 9,737 threads, 76,833 posts and 16,752 members, with over 266 people visiting the forums the last 24 hours i'd say it's a website of some significance.

Further more, the article is also being rewritten as we speak, being formed by the very members of G-D.

It's a great community, though slightly elitist. Anyone that shows the will to learn and has a decent level knowledge of programming (beginners also get helped, but they wont be spoon fed) will be more than accepted.

If you still feel it's not significant, you should also know that G-D is the home to a lot of "well known" hacks up trough the years, you could discover this by browsing the forum for a while if interested :)

I wish you could undelete this article so we can once again Edit the page and shed some light on this great game hacking community.

I would say G-D is the very tip of the sword when it comes to game hacking.



Just take a look here:

This is the tutorial section which is full of game related tutorials and guides.

This is the Half Life 2 Client Hook section as you can see from all the sticky threads, it contains pretty much *everything* you can do in the game as far as game hacking (ofcourse new things will be discovered, but if/when they do i'm 100% sure that's coming from G-D).

Hope you can take these things into consideration, if not i would like to discuss this more.

PS:

We know the article wasn't that great, but it's being rewritten to be better. And there's a IRC channel @ irc.rizon.net #game-deception, if you wish to talk to some members.

I am by far a known person (I'm rather new actually), but i feel G-D deserves a spot here at wikipedia as it *does* exist, and it *is* the best source and website available about game hacking. I'm sure many members on IRC far more experienced than me can tell you this too.

Just present yourself and say hi, we won't bite..


-kek

148.83.128.14 (talk) 08:31, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. The article was not all *that* good, but the site is not unsignificant at all when it comes to online game cheating. the matter could at least be discussed before deleting the article right away.--87.178.127.29 (talk) 10:36, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:WEB Secret account 19:58, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds fun. I got a free weekend, so I should be able to get a really nice article going. Wizardman 00:12, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Duplicate vote

Just a quick note to tell you have supported Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Keilana under #107, however you have opposed on #03, you may wish to fix this... Qst 15:48, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion reviews

An editor has asked for a deletion review of St. Paul Greek Orthodox Church. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. John254 17:26, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Pittsburgh Bulldogs. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. John254 17:26, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Improper speedy deletions

Please do not continue to make inappropriate speedy deletions, as you did to St. Paul Greek Orthodox Church (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) and Pittsburgh Bulldogs (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Thank you. John254 17:26, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What the hell? Churchs are A7 group, and the Bulldogs are A7 as well team/club, nothing inappropiate about that. Secret account 18:39, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of Envox article

Hello, I'm writing regarding the Envox Worldwide article that was deleted at the beginning of December 2007 and the comment below:

"The result was delete, while the article was improved, Smerdis of Tlön is right, and those changes weren't formed, I'll be happy to undelete and place it on a user subpage for the editor to improve on the article. Secret account 23:46, 8 December 2007 (UTC)"

If you would please go ahead and undelete the article and place it on a user subpage as noted above it will be re-edited for your review. Thank you, Turkucken (talk) 20:18, 7 January 2008 (UTC)Turkucken[reply]

What!

There are no attacks which have been made! I treat other users with more respect than they treat me. You should not made such falsehoods about people, as it is a thing called slander.

Anyway, if you had me blocked from editing, a lot of articles and images would be at extreme risk of dying. And I don't care what you claim I did; the articles and images matter ten times more than the feelings of a few users. Freedom of speech, User:Secret. Freedom of Speech. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 04:04, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My beautiful black rose, I merely stated a fact. I am the one behind his so-called trauma. I am the one who nearly drove him off the edge. I am the one who instigated several edit wars with him (though they all were truced in the end). I am the one who brought him back again after I realized I was wrong. I think, however, that he is still a little disturbed. But dear, if it makes you unhappy, I shall stop saying such about him. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 04:17, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Robin Graham page deletion (October 22, 2007)

I have only just noticed that this page which I spent a great deal of time researching has been deleted due to the alleged "lack of importance" of Robin Graham.

I disagree.

Robin's disappearance changed California Highway Patrol policy toward stranded female motorists; her disappearance has been examined by a number of television programs over the years. But because she predates the internet and newspapers online (even the L.A. Times articles aren't available through their online archives), she is dismissed.

I don't see how she is *less* important than Donna Lass, the woman who preceded her on the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_who_have_disappeared page (which has ALSO been edited to remove Robin Graham).

Many people have speculated through the years that Robin was also a victim of the Zodiac Killer; doesn't that put on equal footing with Lass? LynnMaudlin (talk) 06:25, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can you WP:CITE those with reliable sources, in the article, it wasn't mentioned that it did all these stuff, just another murder. Secret account 13:51, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

On Robin's page I did cite newspaper articles; unfortunately when it's through "NewspaperARCHIVE.com" it's not an open source and one has to register and pay a small amount of money to access the pages. I was under the impression I'd saved all those pages on my computer but it turns out that NewspaperARCHIVE.com doesn't actually allow you to save the salient bits (grrrr - and it takes time to save those pages!)

Without buying another membership from these guys, I can tell you the Long Beach Press Telegram - NewspaperArchive - Jan 8, 1974 - contains an article about the CHP policy changes stemming from this event. Google's search stream was: http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=CHP+policy+changes+robin+graham&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&tab=wn&sa=N&sugg=d&as_ldate=1970&as_hdate=1979&lnav=d4&hdrange=1993,2007

There was a fair amount of L.A. Times coverage but I couldn't access it (I can head down to the library and search the microfiche although *new* they now have the articles "for sale" online but, again, they won't be visible to anybody else wanting to access them without also paying for them) and then a lot of local articles and interviews and the CHP trying to explain why they didn't stop to help the girl, etc. Google search which now pulls up L.A. Times articles: http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=robin+graham+freeway+disappearance+1970+&btnG=Search+Archives&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&um=1

If you can look at the page as I wrote it and check the reference links I put in, perhaps there's enough there to convince you to the notability of this person. I am reluctant but willing (cost-to-value ratio) to re-up with NewspaperARCHIVE.com although I don't know what good *that* does since the links will be like the one(s) I already put in the page. Or at least let me know what kind of citations you would find adequate, considering this is the internet. Thanks LynnMaudlin (talk) 07:16, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Still waiting for further info from you-- LynnMaudlin (talk) 01:12, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ilonka Karasz page

Hello,

I see that the Ilonka Karasz page has been deleted with a code indicated copyright infringement because similar text is on a page related to the Georgia Museum of Art. I am the author of both that text and the text submitted to Wikipedia and I am an employee of the Georgia Museum of Art and author of the only book on Ilonka Karasz (published by the Georgia Museum of Art). Can you please put the Ilonka Karasz page back on Wikipedia?

Thanks,

Ashley Callahan —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki73green (talkcontribs) 18:49, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You have to communicate the WP:OTRS to release it to the GFDL. Thanks Secret account 01:13, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rollback

Reverting vandalism Smitty (talk)
Fixing request. Nakon 01:48, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I prefer someone with more experience to request the tool, sorry. Maybe with more edits,  Not done. Secret account 01:48, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Would you reconsider this one? The vandalism reversions were good, and marked as such. ViridaeTalk 01:53, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I prefer someone with enough of an edit history to have rollback, to check if he's trusted. For me 37 edits, including about 20 mainspace, isn't enough experience for rollback. Sorry Secret account 01:57, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, fair enough. ViridaeTalk 01:58, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rollback

You approved me for rollback but in the log it says none to none shouldn't it be none to rollbacker, cause I'm not getting the rollback link, thanks. Oysterguitarist 03:51, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RfA

High praise indeed, and it's nice to be noticed. I'd certainly like to take a shot at RfA, and will probably do so within the next few weeks, or so. My only concern is that my mainspace conributions are a little thin, but I'm willing to stand on the merits and see what happens. Though I don't plan to canvass, I will let you know if and when I make the request. Again, thanks for the kind words. UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 04:23, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jumping the gun?

It appears to be moot now, but do be cautious about granting rollback in the future. You granted rollback to CastAStone four minutes after his request was posted; please allow a little more time in the future (if the process remains at all similar to what was there before).

You might have been misled by the endorsement by Merovingian; he was adding 'support' notices to all of the candidates on the page without doing any review. (Merovingian endorsed CastAStone less than a minute after CastAStone's request was posted; he's being rather WP:POINTy.) Cheers, TenOfAllTrades(talk) 04:42, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I had prior experiences with CastAStone, and I never had any concerns, I admit I was looking though his edits a few days back, checking if he was suitable for adminship. Thanks Secret account 04:47, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Secret, I promise to only use the tool for good. I also appreciate the complement regarding adminship; I'm still at least a thousand edits short of the experience needed as I'm still discovering features of the site I'd never heard of. I hope you didn't find anything you didn't like in your search...--CastAStone//(talk) 17:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tata Nano

Shouldn't you discuss before making this edit? --MAJones (talk) 02:08, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I did just right now Secret account 02:11, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Improvement of My Anime List article after speedy deletion

okay the article I had written for My Anime List was deleted without discussion. fair enough. On its talk page however I had asked why it deserves to be deleted as opposed to a similar page with less references, namely AniDB. If you could point out to me what aniDB has that my article lacks that would be greatly helpful to me when improving my article. Thanks. Kei-clone (talk) 04:13, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:WEB, and WP:RS Secret account 04:16, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!

Thanks for your support
Thank you SO MUCH for your support in my unanimous RFA. Take this cookie as a small token of my appreciation.--Jayron32|talk|contribs 06:01, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of an artical about MeeMix

Hey there,

I noticed that you have deleted the article I submitted about MeeMix. This is my first submission so I may have made some errors.

However the reason given was that the article was an advertisement for a site. As I know Wiki is not a place for that kind of articles I made sure to give my neutral and factual impression of the service and its nature.

I think that the sites has redefined musical taste prediction abilities beyond the web and there for wrought about it.

Please let me know what did you see as advertisement and why does the works on MeeMix as a new way of predicting taste not relevant to Wikipedia?

Thanks, Meron —Preceding unsigned comment added by MeronSholman (talkcontribs) 12:26, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't deleted because of spam, I deleted it because it failed WP:WEB Secret account 22:52, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your replay. I have rewrote the definition and would love to get your impute. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MeronSholman (talkcontribs) 10:24, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Removed prod on Marlins top Draft picks

I have removed the {{prod}} tag from Marlins top Draft picks, which you proposed for deletion, because I think that this article should not be deleted from Wikipedia. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the {{prod}} template back to the article. Instead, feel free to list it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks! -- Atamachat 01:38, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You marked this as an Unsourced list. User:Cbl62 removed your tag. I'm not sure if that was appropriate. The sources were already there in the article, actually, but they weren't showing up correctly because of the syntax. I've been working on cleaning up the syntax. I'm just informing you that the sources are there. Kingturtle (talk) 18:17, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question

Hey I had a question to ask you, i was looking through your list of articles that you created or expanded, and on a couple of the pages i couldn't find your name in the history at all. Greg Landry, and Joe Page are a couple ones i noticed. So i was just wandering what was up with that. Hatmatbbat10 (talk) 19:52, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just click on the original author userpage, and you'll see why (per privaty concerns) Secret account 19:54, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All of them written of my first account, I'm trying to get the edits transfered here. Secret account 19:56, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reply

Okay, than help me.

How do I find vandalism? --HPJoker Leave me a message 21:59, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your watchlist or WP:RC would help. Secret account 22:08, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Watchlist. Never have experimented with that. Only have my archives on there. How do I use that? Remember I just got the tool and am new to this whole thing.
Also, what do I look for in recent changes? --HPJoker Leave me a message 22:21, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Watchlist articles that you are interested on, and if you see a suspitious edit, check if it's vandalism, the way you watchlist articles is my clicking the watch tab on a top of an article. As for RC, same thing, click recent changes, and if you see something suspitious, click on the dif then check if it's vandalism and rollback. Secret account 22:23, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for being so stringent with the notability criteria laid down at WP:BIO. However, per a recent (archived) discussion at WP:FOOTY, a footballer is now notable if he has been given a squad number by his club for a competition of at least national repute. However, if he fails to make an appearance by the end of the season, or he is not given a squad number for the next season, his notability may be brought into question. – PeeJay 23:55, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. The page Charlie Wittmack was recreated -- by the same user with basically the same text -- after you deleted it earlier today (then named Charles Wittmack). Should I just CSD tag it again? Noah 01:17, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I'm just learning Wikipedia. I believe the page Charlie Wittmack is within the guidelines of Wiki. He is the first Iowan to summit Everest, as shown here[2]. If you agree please undelete.Nealmueller (talk) 05:32, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Response on Robin Graham page

On Robin's page I did cite newspaper articles; unfortunately when it's through "NewspaperARCHIVE.com" it's not an open source and one has to register and pay a small amount of money to access the pages. I was under the impression I'd saved all those pages on my computer but it turns out that NewspaperARCHIVE.com doesn't actually allow you to save the salient bits (grrrr - and it takes time to save those pages!)

Without buying another membership from these guys, I can tell you the Long Beach Press Telegram - NewspaperArchive - Jan 8, 1974 - contains an article about the CHP policy changes stemming from this event. Google's search stream was: http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=CHP+policy+changes+robin+graham&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&tab=wn&sa=N&sugg=d&as_ldate=1970&as_hdate=1979&lnav=d4&hdrange=1993,2007

There was a fair amount of L.A. Times coverage but I couldn't access it (I can head down to the library and search the microfiche although *new* they now have the articles "for sale" online but, again, they won't be visible to anybody else wanting to access them without also paying for them) and then a lot of local articles and interviews and the CHP trying to explain why they didn't stop to help the girl, etc. Google search which now pulls up L.A. Times articles: http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=robin+graham+freeway+disappearance+1970+&btnG=Search+Archives&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&um=1

If you can look at the page as I wrote it and check the reference links I put in, perhaps there's enough there to convince you to the notability of this person. I am reluctant but willing (cost-to-value ratio) to re-up with NewspaperARCHIVE.com although I don't know what good *that* does since the links will be like the one(s) I already put in the page. Or at least let me know what kind of citations you would find adequate, considering this is the internet. Thanks LynnMaudlin (talk) 07:16, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Still waiting for further info from you-- LynnMaudlin (talk) 01:12, 12 January 2008 (UTC) Ditto - LynnMaudlin (talk) 06:19, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I undeleted it a few days back Secret account 18:43, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

--doh!-- Thanks; I will improve citations to be more consistent with Wikipedia guidelines LynnMaudlin (talk) 23:52, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I see you speedied the Blackie Towery article on Jan. 8. I dug up some sources and re-started it. (And there's much more I can say about the guy; I'll try to expand the article later.) In the future, if you see any substub NBA bios, just send them my way instead of deleting them on sight. I can usually find enough info to build a decent article after a few minutes of searching. Zagalejo^^^ 21:42, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, anyways the article I deleted just gave some stats and couldn't tell what it really was, obvious A1. Thanks Secret account 21:43, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yea I just noticed the Position: F-C, my fault Secret account 21:47, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll see what I can do with the Shason article. It might be tougher, as it's on an Israeli player. Thanks for letting me know, though. Zagalejo^^^ 22:19, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I can access the Jerusalem Post with Newsbank, and there are some other articles available online. I should be able to clean it up a little bit. I'll get to it sometime later tonight. Zagalejo^^^ 22:26, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of UAlbany Student Association

Why was it deleted??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by R ingber (talkcontribs) 23:23, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

bars and clubs on Capitol Hill, Seattle

I see you've prod'd List of bars and clubs on Capitol Hill, Seattle. Could you please see my comment at Talk:List of bars and clubs on Capitol Hill, Seattle and reply there? Thanks. - Jmabel | Talk 03:51, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Myanmar Women's Affairs Federation‎

Why did they delete this article Myanmar Women's Affairs Federation‎ ? I wrote this artile with my word but delete. why--Ekyaw (talk) 05:29, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:ORG Secret account 23:57, 14 January 2008 (UTC) Hey do u need notibility? This organizationi is one of the leading organization in Myanmar for Myanmar Women affair. They have many activities. Search for it. Why do u delete? Did u know this organization? If you want to know more about it you must search in WWW and The World Women affair organization and ASEAN womean affair organizatin. Thank you.--Ekyaw (talk) 12:12, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Again WP:ORG, and WP:RS, Secret account 18:22, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RfA thanks

John Carter (talk) 21:53, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A technical question

On the Joe Klein AfD debate you write in part, "Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page...." My question is exactly how can people write on a discussion page of an article that's been deleted? There were a couple of comments on the discussion page and those are now gone.
--NBahn (talk) 02:20, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Link to AFD please. Secret account 02:22, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here.
--NBahn (talk) 02:38, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh thats a template in which all AFDs are closed with, which means any further comment about the AFD goes to the talk page. Secret account 02:40, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see; thank you for the courtesy of your reply.
--NBahn (talk) 02:45, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rudget!

Dear Secret, my sincere thanks for your support in my second request for adminship, which ended with 113 supports, 11 opposes, and 4 neutral. I would especially like to thank my admin coach and nominator, Rlevse and Ryan Postlethwaite who in addition to Ioeth all inspired me to run for a second candidacy. I would also like to make a special mention to Phoenix-wiki, Dihyrdogen Monoxide and OhanaUnited who all offered to do co-nominations, but I unfortunately had to decline. I had all these funny ideas that it would fail again, and I was prepared for the worst, but at least it showed that the community really does have something other places don't. Who would have though Gmail would have been so effective? 32 emails in one week! (Even if it does classify some as junk :P) I'm glad that I've been appointed after a nail biting and some might call, decision changing RFA, but if you ever need anything, just get in touch. The very best of luck for 2008 and beyond, Rudget. 16:37, 15 January 2008 (UTC) [reply]

Awesome Article!