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== Gastronomy? ==

Seriously? Not "Cuisine"? Rule #1 of writing - '''Never use a large word when a small one will suffice'''. -- [[Special:Contributions/67.42.107.14|67.42.107.14]] ([[User talk:67.42.107.14|talk]]) 22:15, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

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Eh?

Following quote describing the language: "Strong Italian and (less) Corsican influences make it less unintelligible than other non-extinct Provençal dialects that exist around." What does "less unintelligible" mean? Compared to what? Presumably the speakers understand each other, right... Could someone please clarify?


The autocton dialect of Nice is not a Provençal one. It is a dialect close to ligure.

I've a friend from Nice. My father's Parisian. It often takes me minutes to tell if Bruno is speaking French or Italian on the phone, so similar is the accent and affected the vocabulary. Perhaps that's what it meant?

"It often takes me minutes to tell if Bruno is speaking French or Italian on the phone, so similar is the accent and affected the vocabulary." Oh, come on... That's just urban legend, and I don't know who you are, or who your supposed friend is, but this is just wrong. I come from Nice. People there almost have no accent. Nissart is much close to provencal. For anyone speaking only french, it would sound italian. But when someone from nice speaks french, there are almost no accent, and definitely nothing that would sound anything like italian... Palleas (talk) 14:56, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


"It is a dialect close to ligure".... Eh? You probably mean that Provençal and Ligure are close enough to say that Nissard is as close to Provençal as it is to Ligure. As a Provencer, I've heard Provençal here and there all my youth, and Nissard for 9 years when I moved from Marseille to Nice. Frankly most of the time the difference is hard to tell.--Stormy Ordos 15:36, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

points of interest

I've added a points of interest section, would someone like to expand on them?

I've changed the caption of the photo from "Promenade des Anglais" to "Quai des États-Unis", which is correct. The Promenade des Anglais is a continuation of this, which is in the distance.Apgeraint 18:53, 30 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It had been changed back to promenade des anglais, so I changed it back to quai des etats unis which is indeed correct. I also changed the caption for the observatory, having worked there, I can tell it's not the entrance... Palleas 09:57, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

twin cities

Why is capetown not in the list of twin cities, as capetown has Nice listed as a twin city

New Infobox Template proposition

I'd like to bring your attention to a new - or other - version of the "Large French Cities" infobox presently at use in a few French cities pages. The present version is much too large, partly because it consecrates too much space to information having little importance to French demography and an only distant and indirect relevence to the city itself. Instead I propose to follow a less cumbersome model closer to that used by the New York City article - you can view the new version in the Paris talk page here. Please view and comment. THEPROMENADER 22:20, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As a result of some discussion over the past weeks, there is an updated template available for perusal in its 'published ' form (filled with data) here - all comments welcome. -- THEPROMENADER 07:24, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Many city/town articles have a section for twinned cities rather than have that information in the box, here is how it look in the Sheffield article:
===International links===
Sheffield is formally twinned with:
*China Anshan, China
*Germany Bochum, Germany
*Ukraine Donetsk, Ukraine
*Nicaragua Esteli, Nicaragua

There are more informal links with:
*Japan Kawasaki, Japan
*Zambia Kitwe, Zambia
*United States Pittsburgh, United States.

I'd like to think that presented like that, it looks class. Cheers, Captain scarlet 09:08, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'll second that for sure; the flags are very visual and a plus to the '"click" understanding' factor. A 'twin city' template would be cool - and could find use not only in French articles, but all articles. Does one already exist? If not, certainly something to think about. THEPROMENADER 10:19, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ecclesiastical History

I would say this is a subject for a separate article. THEPROMENADER 16:53, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I think there is certainly useful information in there, but there is so much information which is far too specialised for even a History of Nice, let alone the Nice article itself. I suggest you move it to Ecclesiastical history of Nice, much as I have done for Ecclesiastical history of Montpellier and Ecclesiastical history of Lyon. Then link to it from the history section. Hopefully one day, someone will break those articles into sections, and perhaps cherry pick some useful tidbits back into the main article. They're pretty incomprehensible though. Stevage 21:11, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

20th Century Italian Occupation

Howcome the article does not Mention that Nice was occupied by the Italians from 1940-43?

You're right of course, but there's alot of other little facts that have been omitted from Nice's history. This is a summary. If you feel like writing a complete article about Nice from 350 BC to 2007, go ahead.

--Stormy Ordos 15:51, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Priority 101: Cleanup Tag

A well-known country article should have a ton of references and citations.. Anyone who's been editing the article, can we get some references? --Nissi Kim 23:43, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

POPULATION

I DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW MANY INHABITANTS NICE HAS,BECAUSE THERE ARE SEVERAL NUMBERS

Answer: that's simple: ie depends upon what you are talking about: the city in itself has around 350.000 inhabitants. Still, as for any big city, the number of inhabitants of the whole area (the smalls towns around it included), you reach the millions inhabitants. Especially now, as the price of the real estate are so high that poeple tend to live far from the city itself and leave for the small villages of the "arrière pays" (in the mountains above the city) to find cheaper accommodation.

The point is, the number of "inhabitants" is far higher during summer, when there can be twice as many people on the riviera in July and August. But these are not really inhabitants, since they do not remain in the city all year long. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.50.113.34 (talk) 13:52, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cerbère

When one of you who's more familiar with the area has a few moments, please have a look at the stub on Cerbère, see if you can flesh it out some? Though the ville impressed me, I've only ever seen it by moving train and in pictures. Merci beaucoups! --JT 18:46, 24 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Map

The tooltip for the map says that it is a map highlighting the commune of Nice. But from what I understand, it is the map of France, and I don't find Nice being highlighted anywhere. Jay 08:47, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It does now! Jay (talk) 18:41, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

History

Sometime during the reign of France's King Louis XIV, the Sun King, his forces occupied Nice and demolished the fortified chateau overlooking the Bay of Nice. The locals apparently still resent this and provide guided tours of "Le Château" on the massive seaside cliff, in spite of the fact that there's no château there. It does have a lovely view though. I'll need to look up more detailed and specific information and insert a paragraph or two into the main article. Dick Kimball (talk) 20:46, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also, There's a gap in the history section between 1900 and "the second half of the 20th century". I don't think Nice was totally unaffected by the two world wars, and if it was, then that's worth mentioning. 84.55.96.235 (talk) 19:31, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm no expert in history. But it HAS been affected by the wars. Not bombed (though it did happen in the back country of Nice), but still. At least a enormous "detail" has changed the city aspect dramatically : the government of vichy, following german instructions, dismantled the "jetée-promenade" during WWII. If I remember correctly, it was a bronze casino which was ON the mediterranea : http://pagesperso-orange.fr/polenry/nice/old/prom_close.jpg Palleas (talk) 09:35, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This article is actually missing a History section. It reads more like a blurb from a little "European Adventures" guidebook than a serious article. patsw (talk) 02:55, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've put back the history section; it was removed in this edit which wasn't reverted properly. It still only briefly mentions the two world wars. Graham87 00:48, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Really bad article

The quality of this article is very poor. To be more precise, the language in it is very poor. I guess someone with a very limited knowledge of English (please excuse my honesty) has tried to translate it into English. Large parts of the article are written in such a bad English that it is completely impossible to understand them. That also makes it hard to correct them; simply language mistakes can easily be corrected but when the language is this bad it becomes a real issue. Such a large and significant city as Nice deserves a better article than this, I hope somebody who knows the city better than I do takes the time to rewrite this article almost from scratch. JdeJ 10:53, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've started to rewrite the "place" part which looked particularly bad, it actually was a very very poor translation of the french article. If I find the time, I'll write it from scratch, but I don't know when... Palleas 14:27, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done, I re-wrote the "place" part. Let me know if it's OK like that Palleas 13:47, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What is the Palais de Congres? As I don't know what it is, I can't improve that sentence.Is it the town hall or the seat of a regional council? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wai Hong (talk • contribs) 00:37, 26 October 2007 (UTC) A 'Palais de Congres' would be best rendered as 'Convention Centre' Dickie 17:26, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's not 'Palais de Congres' but 'Palais des Congrès'. This is typically big buildings where convention and conferences take place. Palleas 09:44, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pictures

What has happened to the pictures on this site? It also needs to be rewikified.Wai Hong (talk) 05:37, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have pictures of SUNY and VOSP students from 1976 and 1979 and I am willing to post them. Please contact jovermir@umich.edu 68.73.197.199 (talk) 07:48, 30 October 2008 (UTC)Jeff Overmire[reply]

Wow, Nice, France is...really nice. The pictures are mostly amazing. I would love to live there someday. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Etpages (talk • contribs) 21:37, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rewrite of Jan 2008

User:Louis Du Pasquier has rewritten substantial part of the article without discussion, and undid a reversion back to a previous version. The rewritten article is problematic for a few reasons. the primary one is that it appears to be a copyruight violation from material on this site. I used the Wayback machine to verify that the material pre-dates the addition to wikipedia (See this) Beyond copyright problems, the article additions replace encyclopedic material with travel guide type information. -- Whpq (talk) 19:19, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

naturalism

in the literary movement of naturalism, Nice is a city where the happiness is found. Both literally and figuratively. Worth mentioning? Mallerd (talk) 20:28, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Demography" section.

In here, it says the following:

Currently, the population of the city is growing again, the reason of which is undoubtedly heliotropism. Nice is projected to have 350000 citizens in 2005, 360000 in 2008, 370000 in 2012.

That doesn't sound encyclopedically worded to me, (the "reason of which is undoubtedly heliotropism" part especially has me worried about OR) and the short space of years mentioned (2005 -2008-2012) has got me thinking this is the work of a vandal. Any comments? Winnifred-Ian-Leonard-Harry-Ellen-Lucy-Marilyn-Ingrid-Nora-Amanda Walter-Ira-Lauren-Lalla (talk) 21:28, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is archived. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was do not move.--Yannismarou (talk) 18:56, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Move proposal was: Nice to be renamed and moved to Nice, France.--Yannismarou (talk) 07:21, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm kind of infavour of keeping this as is, with a hatnote as I believe is there currently. But then, when I say the name, I pronounce it neice. If we were to disambiguate, I think Nice (City) is better Narson (talk) 14:30, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The move request rationale is incorrect; when an Anglophone hears the city's name, there is no such misunderstanding with "nice". The only possible misunderstanding is with "niece", but context and spelling disambiguate just as well as with Rome/roam. The hatnote here serves its purpose perfectly well, no further action is required. Knepflerle (talk) 14:40, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment. Wikipedia is written, not oral, and this is obviously not the primary meaning of the spelling "nice" that anglophones think of when they think of the word. Georgia guy (talk) 14:56, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • "this city does not come into an anglophone's mind when its name is heard". Your words, my emphasis. With capitalisation, the primary meaning is not "obviously" the adjective, looking at all the other comments. Knepflerle (talk) 16:56, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmmm, I don't think the the consensus would be to re-direct to virtue at all. But I could be wrong. Andrewa (talk) 12:44, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The city is historically significant and we could probably find much material on it. Not so on the adjective. "Anglophone" does not imply a lack of historical and geographical knowledge. Dimadick (talk) 13:58, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - the city is the most common use of "Nice", and we'd never need an entry for the adjective. Biruitorul Talk 00:48, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per WP:PRIMARYUSAGE and WP:D. How can anyone expect everyone else to believe that the city is the most common use, much less the primary use. Simply put that is incorrect and not supported by any facts. There is no requirement that the primary use have an article. Many a disambiguation page has as the primary use a word that does not have an article. So please explain why we need to throughout previous consensus, guidelines and probably a policy or two for this case. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:08, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • You seem to be mistaken about what primary usage is. It does not mean whatever word is listed first in a dictionary or rates highest in content analysis. WP:PRIMARYUSAGE says it is the meaning that is "significantly more commonly searched for and read than other meanings". This is another way of saying "encyclopedically important." The article mentioned at the DAB page in conjunction with the adjectival meaning is "pleasure" and has an entirely different meaning from "nice." And, by definition, if there is not an article for the adjective, it cannot be more read. If one were searching for the adjective "nice," Wiktionary would be the place. — AjaxSmack 21:25, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Several reasons have now been proposed supporting the move, and I think a discussion section might help untangle them a little. Andrewa (talk) 20:00, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unlike London, Paris, Rome, Athens, etc., this city does not come into an anglophone's mind when its name is heard. The most common meaning of the word nice is the adjective pleasant.

Two issues here. The question of what is heard is IMO a red herring, what we're interested in is what the title suggests in Wikipedia.

Agree that this is the more common use of the (printed) word, but this meaning is not one we need for an article title, so there's no need to disambiguate it. A hatnote is sufficient. Andrewa (talk) 20:35, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How can anyone expect everyone else to believe that the city is the most common use, much less the primary use. Simply put that is incorrect and not supported by any facts. There is no requirement that the primary use have an article. Many a disambiguation page has as the primary use a word that does not have an article. So please explain why we need to throughout previous consensus, guidelines and probably a policy or two for this case.

Possibly the policy is unclear here. The guideline at Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Deciding to disambiguate reads in part Ask yourself: When readers enter a given term in the Wikipedia search box and pushes "Go", what article would they most likely be expecting to view as a result?.

My feeling is, this is the city. If they wanted to know the meaning of the word, they'd look in Wiktionary, instead. Andrewa (talk) 20:35, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And this shows that the adjective is not the primary use? When did encyclopedically important replace WP:PRIMARYUSAGE?

That shortcut redirects to Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Primary topic. Please note the word topic. In our terms, the adjective is not an article topic, and I think we have consensus on that. Andrewa (talk) 16:28, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Andrewa on both questions he raises above. older ≠ wiser 12:19, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Hello,

Do you think it would be of some interest for visitors of this article to add this info:

Mtcn (talk) 03:14, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gastronomy?

Seriously? Not "Cuisine"? Rule #1 of writing - Never use a large word when a small one will suffice. -- 67.42.107.14 (talk) 22:15, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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