Talk:Mongols Motorcycle Club

April 2008

". There is no other relationship between the historical ethnic group the Mongols and the Mongols motorcycle club other than the shared name, unless you also take into consideration the fact that many members of the club are of aboriginal and/or Spanish ancestry, and also consider the theory that the indigenous peoples of North and South America are descended from peoples of the Mongoloid races who, according to this popular theory, crossed the Bering Strait several tens of thousands of years ago." I deleted the above excerpt. It was very, very, VERY unnecessary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.179.78.41 (talk) 01:47, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Gang vs. Club

I reverted the change in category from Motorcycle Club to Motorcycle Gang. The Mongols are, in fact, a motorcycle club. The term motorcycle gang has no concensus definition. Mmoyer 02:27, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

they are a violent gang, motorcycle or not. don't let them fool you with anything else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.114.109.62 (talk) 17:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Mongols in Canada??

To the best of our knowledge here, there are no (still living) Mongols who have a chapter in Canada. I too, seem to recall visiting their website a while back and seeing that they claimed to have a chapter (or chapters) here. If you visit their website now, this claim is no longer being made, so I've deleted this claim from the article. Since most of the larger independent gangs based in Canada have either been patched over to the Hells Angels or (in some cases) to the Outlaws, in other cases disbanded, Canada is now firmly HA's territory from coast-to-coast, unlike previously when they only controlled BC and Quebec. The Outlaws still have some pockets of control in Ontario, and apparently the Bandidos made some inroads here, but not sure how many remaining members the Bandidos still have in Canada after that recent bloodbath. The vast majority of other existing clubs that haven't been patched over are operating as puppet clubs for either the Angels or the Outlaws, most likely the Angels.

The Mongols, as tough as they claim to be, wouldn't dare ride around in Canada flying their colours, or, if they had dared, we would likely have already heard about the subsequent violence on the news.Garth of the Forest 22:50, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Okay; I've just visited the Mongols website again today and am perplexed. They show the Canadian flag on their homepage, but don't list anywhere in or even near Canada under "Chapters". Maybe they're planning to expand their Chapter 13? :)

Seriously, all joking aside, my guess is they've done that (put the Canadian flag on their website) solely to annoy the Hells Angels, a favorite pasttime for the Mongols. If anyone can verify a Mongols sighting in Canada, or provide a reference that shows their extended presence here, I'd be very surprised, yet interested to see the reference material. Garth of the Forest 22:50, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I think that either they have a chapter somewhere but aren't saying (a common practice) or their nomads may be around somewhere trying to prospect some members to form a charter. Just MHO. I think its okay for the article to say Canada as long as it's on their website. Mmoyer 02:19, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

I have reverted my change (to remove the reference to Mongol chapter(s) in Canada) because - you are right - the way the article was worded originally it referred to where the Mongols claim to have chapters as per their website. I've also made some minor changes to the overall wording of the article to help the flow; I hope y'all concur. Garth of the Forest 21:10, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

there were 122 arrest warrants issued today in the county of L.A. alone. They are clearly a gang. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.57.77.114 (talk) 16:18, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

The Mongols have chapters in Toronto and Niagra Falls. www.mongolsmccanada.com

There are Mongols that freely show their colors in Vancouver. Most are from WA, USA, but they may be trying to establish a Vancouver charter (http://www.mongolsmcccanada.123guestbook.com/). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.181.226.51 (talk) 22:37, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

It's just a website and any 12 year old can make a web site. Children and crazy people and hoaxers make quite nice looking web sites all the time. See WP:Reliable sources for what sort of thing does meet Wikipedia's standards for references. Hope that helps. --Dbratland (talk) 22:55, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

How's this for a Canadian source: http://www.splcenter.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/mongols_indictment.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.176.116.217 (talk) 08:27, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Their updated official web page has a Toronto, Canada charter listed. http://www.mongolsmc.com/chapters98.176.234.126 (talk) 02:26, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

I removed Canada from the list of international charters, since the Mongols have just recently (July 2010) shut down their Canadian Charter in Toronto. This news comes from their website: http://www.mongolsmc.com/press_post/mongols-mc-canada. At one time they did have a Toronto charter, but the charter was recently revoked in bad standing.98.176.116.13 (talk) 01:39, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

"Rivals"

Where is there any citations about the "rivals" of this club? Where did these ideas originate? The Outlaws MC and the Pagans MC are listed as being rivals of the Mongols MC, and I see no proof of that. In fact, the Mongols MC website has links to not one but two Outlaws MC pages. That doesn't sound like something a 1%er club would do (have links to clubs they don't get along with.)

If you can't cite a source, it shouldn't be listed. This is supposed to be an encyclopedia, not a forum where people can babble opinions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.168.46.142 (talk) 15:20, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Mongols, Outlaws, Bandidos, and Pagans all get along.98.176.118.67 (talk) 08:16, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Mongols get along with the Vagos MC, Bandidos MC, Pagans MC, and Outlaws MC. the only rivalries that I know of are the Hells Angels MC and Gypsy Jokers MC.98.176.116.217 (talk) 01:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Please read wikipedia's policy on original research. tedder (talk) 06:32, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot 06:44, 7 November 2007 (UTC)t

mongols mc/feds/atf

the government and the atf need to let these and other motorcycle clubs alone and quit calling them a gang. I ride and am tired of being racially profiled by these pigs and lets not forget who it was that murdered those people in waco, ruby ridge and oklahoma city, the atf.65.164.18.10 (talk) 07:00, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

there not a club, they are a violent gang. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.114.109.62 (talk) 17:25, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

In the interest of preventing endless edit wars, the general consensus among frequent editors of articles about "outlaw motorcycle gangs" is to refer to them as motorcycle clubs or outlaw motorcycle clubs, to maintain a NPOV. For those that have been designated criminal organizations by American law enforcement (or in Canada, by Criminal Intelligence Service Canada)and successfully prosecuted, either under RICO, or in Canada using provisions provided for in bill C-95, it would be appropriate to make a reference to this fact somewhere in the article. Otherwise, please use the word "club". Garth of the Forest (talk) 19:03, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

What consensus are you referring to? I'd like this question to have a better resolution but as far as I know it hasn't been settled. Other than the general WP policy of calling things by their common name -- that is, the general public knows the Mongols as a motorcycle gang, so that's what they're called. Is there any sort of policy or consensus or whatever you can point to that says it hinges on a particular country's organized crime prosecutions? --Dbratland (talk) 20:48, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Laughlin

First off, in the first paragraph, "and they have been quoted by corrupt ATF agents as being "violent and dangerous" makes no sense whatsoever. I'd rewrite it if I knew what was meant.

Later on it says that "it was clear the HA came looking for the Mongols" (to that effect). A friend of mine who was there all the time said just the exact opposite. I'd suggest that is a statement that depends on who you are talking to...Jjdon (talk) 23:21, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

^^^^^Agreed about perspective, but:

HA's went to look for Mongols, literally just after a HA from the Dago Charter was killed on his way home to San Diego (from the Laughnlin River Run) by a "suspected" Mongol. Not only that, Mongols MC were in the casino BEFORE the HA's arrived. So, I would say that the HA went out to look for Mongols. I don't support either club, that's just the facts that were brought to light after a fed wiretap.24.181.226.51 (talk) 22:58, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

they are a bunch of criminals and deserve everything they get and worse. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.114.109.62 (talk) 17:22, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

That Hells Angel that from San Diego was killed AFTER the Harrah's Brawl. Not before the riot. But, the HA's initiated the casino riot when they went to look for the Mongols. The Mongols were staying at Harrah's, while the Angels were across town in another casino. 98.176.234.126 (talk) 02:33, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

U.S. GOV. VS. THE PEOPLE

I agree with the comments on this page not all of them but many. The u.s. gov tries to make these motorcycle clubs to look as if they are a threat to society more than themselves. What about the orrupt racist police, cia involved in cocaine cartels, training terrorist, fbi shooting at native americans and killing them for their land, u.s. presidents bombing countries killikng thousands of people. The "motorcycle gangs" are a threat more than they are. cops kill when they want. Terrorism is now what we are focused on. Why? becasue it is very dangerous and a serious issue for all of us as americans. The mafia is the mafia they bomb and kill and shit. The blaks sell drugs commit crimes have their gangsters like frank lucas and tookie williams. The Russian mafia, Chinese, and white americans commit crimes, some of them racist and psychopathic. In california mexican gangs are "terrorsit" groups the Mongols are striped of their right to belong to a group like the hells angels, outlaws, pagans, bandidos and warlocks, but no fuck that the mongols are a threat to society and can never wear the mongol symbol. I think that all of these motorcycle clubs began with good intentions and we the society encouraged them to continue their lifestyle of riding free like a bird. Now that trip has ended and we have this problem it is not understandable why the mongols loose their pathces and not these other clubs who are just as guilty as they are one way or the other. turkish vitali

Girl Friend a Mongol Officer

I have been with a Officer of the Mongals now for 6 months. I have also been befriended by the Mongols in my work place. I hold a GM position in a casino and I'm hear to tell you these men are the kindest most caring family men I've ever met. They are very polite to all of my employees and my family. They in my opinion are being treated very unfairly! Why should these men have there Patch stripped from them? They are no different than any other Club. Just with all clubs there are those who do wrong and all must pay for it. The men of this club that I know very well! go to work everyday and come home to there families every night. There not out there causing trouble or sitting in bars. There good honest men that deserve to were there patches. Why is it that the goverment does'nt take all the patches then? If all "GANGS" are dirty evil and rotten then take all the "GANG" patches and if not leave the Mongols alone. The Hells Angels are in my opinion the dirtiest of all the "Gangs". Why do they get off? They have the monies to pay off anyone needed to pay! From what? Drugs,Prositution,Ect! Now how fair is that? Come on lets look at the big picture! Not every man that wears a club patch does wrong. Not to say that some don't! I agree but look at the men that wear them and not the reason because we can. There are so many dirty officers ATF Agents,ect I say we take there patches too! Why not they do wear patches so take them as well.20:29, 20 February 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.182.52.11 (talk)

If ANYONE needs real interviewed info on the Mongols, just watch the episodes of "Gangland". It has exclusive interviews and the real histories of every single gang out there. The Mongols, are said to the "most vicious", and the Hells Angels are the most "numerous", therefore "powerful". The Mongols are apparently the most vicious seeing the amount of power they have even with their numbers being only one sixth (1/6th) of the size of the Hells Angels. This reputation is similar to the Pagans, whose numbers are also low, and rely on stealth for power. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.107.152.184 (talk) 04:02, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Gangland isn't really a reliable resource on any gangs. That program tends to generalize too much, and it also pulls more form LE perspective and knowledge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.181.226.51 (talk) 23:01, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Mongols in Canada

www.mongolsmccanada.com

Hope that clears up whether the Mongols really have chapters in Canada now —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.68.248.162 (talk) 09:54, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Twice

The same paragraph occurs twice, admittedly with different references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.82.116.138 (talk) 12:29, 3 July 2009 (UTC) The caption is "Criminal Activities". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.82.116.138 (talk) 12:48, 3 July 2009 (UTC) I have removed the repetition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.34.71 (talk) 12:57, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

RfC started to discuss replacing Criminal Org Infobox with Org Infobox

Please comment on an RfC to replace Template:Infobox Criminal organization with Template:Infobox Organization for active motorcycle clubs. Thanks! --Dbratland (talk) 20:50, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

IMHO, to use the Criminal Organization template on a group that has many (or even just 1)law abiding members is a blatant WP:BLP violation and should never have been done in the first place. Please replace the template. Cheers. L0b0t (talk) 22:17, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

The Mongols *are* a criminal organization. Proxy User (talk) 07:09, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

State and International Charters

In regards to: "It has its main presence in southern California. It also has chapters in US states of Nevada, Oklahoma, Colorado, Arizona, Montana, Oregon, New York, Indiana, Florida and Virginia, and in the countries of Australia, Canada, Germany, Italy and Mexico."

Updated the state charters (added Washington, Utah, and Pennsylvania), removed Australia (must have meant Austria). An Austrian charter is currently trying to be established, but it does not exist yet. All of this info was taken directly off their website (http://www.mongolsmc.com/chapters). 98.176.234.126 (talk) 02:55, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

I changed it to simply say "14 states". It's in 1/3rd of states, no need to list all of them unless there's an encyclopedic reason to do so. tedder (talk) 03:01, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Awesome, it reads better! Thanks!98.176.234.126 (talk) 03:15, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

looks like the Feds are taking that thing apart

No more Covina chapter. San Diego folded. All their old presidents are gone or in jail. Looks like enough pressure and they finally crumbled (or obliterated themselves). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.127.143.128 (talk) 10:46, 12 July 2010 (UTC)