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Frostea Melt

FrosteaTheSnowman (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

I wonder if you'd mind taking a look at this guy's "contributions", especially during the last hour or two, and let us know what you think. The guy's demeanor has a familiar ring to it, and I'm not sure if his apparent incompetence is for real or is just part of a game. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 18:48, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

This comment,[1] in particular, makes it look like he's trying to tell us that he's a sock. He only created his user page yesterday [unless it was previously deleted, which I have no way to know], yet he claims he's used the term before and that admin's had no problem with it. I should point out that he has apparently also edited under 76.216.25.3, at least recently. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:31, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

• It's not ringing any bells with me yet. The userpage hadn't previously existed (prior to yesterday). I'm pretty certain you're right about 76.216 - the pre-Frostea edits seem to be to Tapioca Express. I'll keep an eye on things. TFOWR 10:53, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
• This wouldn't be the first time that someone has conflated having an account with being an administrator. There's more on this at User talk:Ron Ritzman (q.v.). Uncle G (talk) 13:03, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Hello

I'm not a "troll". I'm just trying to contribute to the article by proving a point. A very factual point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MattyStar93 (talk • contribs) 23:47, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

England doesn't issue passports. Neither does Scotland. Nor Wales. Northern Ireland is not unique in its failure to issue passports. "Northern Irish" is a demonym for Northern Irish residents. "Irish" is an ambiguous demonym covering citizens of the Republic of Ireland and Northern Irish residents. Apologies for speculating that your edits were bordering on trolling but this seems so blindingly obvious that it's difficult to avoid the possibility that your persistence is, well, due to trolling. TFOWR 23:52, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Forgetting something? In particular this argument and this argument, in addition to the MattyStar93/BigMatty93 names. O Fenian (talk) 00:20, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Oh c'mon! That was five days ago. How can I be expected to remember stuff from that long ago? ;-) Obvious (eventually...) sock is obviously blocked (eventually...) TFOWR 00:29, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

BISE Polls

I don't think these polls serve much purpose, some seem designed to reach a blindingly obvious point (Are the channel islands part of the UK or Ireland?) or already proved inconclusive. Probably best to close them before they suck up all the editors time, which they seem to be doing. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 11:02, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

I'd tend to agree. I need to catch up with BISE and work out what the reference to GoodDay is about, but aye - isn't this blindingly obvious? I've learned many things about the British Isles in the past few months, but the fact that the Isle of Man and Channel Islands are not part of the UK or Ireland is not one of them - I learned that at school! TFOWR 11:20, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

I think LB may have misunderstood me. I was speaking of the island Great Britain & Ireland, not the countries United Kingdom & Republic of Ireland. -- GoodDay (talk) 15:04, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Quite possibly - the only comment I could see that you'd made that might justify LB's comment was one involving the islands. I think LB made a quick succession of posts to BISE, and would maybe have benefited from a more methodical approach. TFOWR 15:08, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

I have to protest your early closing of the "Are the Isle of Man & Channel Islands a part of the United Kingdom or Republic of Ireland?" poll and request you to allow it to run its course. I could just re-open it again myself but I am showing you some respect in the hope you show some respect back.

There are three important questions to ask in which we need to know where everyone stands and then to resolve the contradictions.

I do not think I need to spell out the importance of the first two. --LevenBoy (talk) 14:47, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Protest away. The Isle of Man and the Channel Islands are not part of the United Kingdom, nor are they part of the Republic of Ireland. There seemed to be unanimous agreement of those two blindingly obvious facts prior to the close (no one had voted against), but regardless of that - issues like that won't be settled by a bunch of Wikipedia editors. They were long ago settled by constitutional lawyers. I fail to see any point in the poll, and I'm trying my best. TFOWR 14:49, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Instructions

I thought that they were good, but now that I actually had to follow them I have an issue with the posting on every wikiproject. I tried to stick with the spirit of the instructions, and posted a template at the UK and UK geography wikiprojects, but didn't post at UK Politics or Countries wikiproject, as I thought it was probably rather unrelated to both their aims (or tangentially related in the politics project at best). I didn't post at the Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team, although I suppose that's assumed? Maybe the instructions should be post at all relevant wikiprojects listed on the talkpage? I'll raise this on the BISE page too. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 14:46, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Heh, interesting point. I think you posted at the correct WikiProjects - I can't see any point in letting Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team know about what must be, for them, a really trivial matter. I'll take a look, but I suspect the instructions will need to be clarified - maybe something like "check all listed WikiProjects in case they discuss BI, notify all relevant WikiProjects (if in doubt about relevance, notify them or note at BISE that they haven't been notified)"? TFOWR 14:51, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

I added a note to the discussion where I listed the wikiprojects notified. Maybe that combined with the clarification you just proposed is the way to proceed? Chipmunkdavis (talk) 15:06, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Cleanup

BISE page is getting a bit long, if you want I can try and summarize the points and conclusions all the discussions relating to process reached, specifically all the discussions under This page and The new structure of debate, and use the summaries to create a set or rules/guidelines that have been reached. These discussions could then be archived. "Stop! Are you starting a new discussion?" I'd recommend moving under the This page section too, although it shouldn't be archived yet.

In addition you can probably archive Acceptable Geograpical Ranges to Use "British Isles", and Are the Isle of Man & Channel Islands a part of the United Kingdom or Republic of Ireland? already without a second though, resolved and finished. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 17:44, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Hold off for now - I normally archive stuff at some point over the weekend. I'll try and get it done tomorrow. The Isle of Man "poll" I wouldn't want to do today, anyway, as I've only just closed it - silly though it was ;-) TFOWR 17:48, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

I believe the "stale" discussions should be closed. For instance, there's a bunch of Flora issues that need closing, the James Kay discussion, Augustus John, Conkers probably, Student probable, Branimir Jelic ... I'd say most on the page can be resolved. --HighKing (talk) 14:57, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Some of those (Student, Branimir Jelic) are very recent, surely? I'd agree with the flora ones, though the article talkpages have only just (6 October) been notified - I'll archive them next weekend if there's no movement. James Kay I was going to ask a non-involved admin, but I still can't think of anyone suitable (the ones I know well enough to ask all seem to be either Commonwealth citizens or die-hard Anarcho-syndicalists who want the British Isles to sink beneath a tide of black flags... may be easier just to close the damn thing) Conkers I was planning on closing later today. TFOWR 15:01, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

E-mail

Hello, TFOWR. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.

I'm not entirely sure you've read my reply yet, so I'm notifying you now. HeyMid (contributions) 11:09, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

I've not, I was away for most of yesterday and am only starting to catch up now. I'll ready it shortly. TFOWR 11:16, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Page-move request

As an administrator, could you try to move Talk:Fastra II/GA2 to Talk:FASTRA II/GA2? I can't, because it is nine consecutive capital letters (including the space). HeyMid (contributions) 12:13, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

 Done. Blimey - €6000 for a super-computer? Why am I still wasting time with a PC? ;-) TFOWR 12:17, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

What do you mean? HeyMid (contributions) 13:11, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

I mean I'd really like a super-computer ;-) My PC is pretty fast - I use it for work and it has to be a pretty decent PC, but I'd love a super-computer! It's been a dream of mine since I first saw this film and then read about computers like this one. TFOWR 13:14, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

...which (I forgot) also should include Talk:Fastra II/GA1... HeyMid (contributions) 13:05, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

 Done: Talk:FASTRA II/GA1. TFOWR 13:09, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Also, when moving a page (as a non-administrator), do you know whether it is possible to also move the sub-pages, like when a bureaucrat renames a user? HeyMid (contributions) 13:11, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't know. Give me a second and I'll sign in as TFOWR's left sock (talk) and check... TFOWR 13:14, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

The help page suggests that I should see a checkbox saying "Move all subpages, if applicable" - but I'm not seeing it. The subpages are listed, however. I guess non-admins may need to move the subpages manually. TFOWR's left sock 13:19, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

OK. Final question: As an administrator, do all sub-pages move at the same time? HeyMid (contributions) 13:21, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

I assume so - there may be a few milliseconds' difference, but provided the "parent page" (Talk:FASTRA II in this case) is moved, and the checkbox is "checked", then it should all happen at the same time. TFOWR 13:25, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of Bombardment of Cárdenas

Hello, I've seen in the history page of the article that you have removed the speedy deletion template. The main editor, User:$1LENCE D00600D had, in fact, requested deletion after we have found that the event which is subject of the article actually never happened. You can check it on my talk page. Thank you. ElBufon (talk) 14:37, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know - I missed $1LENCE D00600D's request. I'm still not happy speedy-deleting it, but I'll reinstate the proposed deletion - as I was the only editor to contest the deletion, and I'm happy to un-contest it, I think that should be OK. A proposed deletion will give other editors time to find references, though I have to admit it does look like this is 1898 propaganda ;-) TFOWR 14:42, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Favour again

Another favour -

I moved a page to Irish title rather than Irish nobility by accident. Unfortunately, I can't fix this because a bot fixed a double-redirect in the mean time. Could you move Irish title to Irish nobility?

Be warned, there is a disagreement over the title (it was a in a series of reverts that I accidentally put it at Irish title.) However, neither of us want the page at Irish title, so it's not a quite a The Wrong Version issue. None the less, you may wish to look at the history and the talk page before deciding whether you want to do this or not. --RA (talk) 21:29, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Never mind. It's been moved again. --RA (talk) 21:35, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Aye, I've commented there - both of you need to stop and discuss. TFOWR 21:36, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

That said, I do appreciate your candour about the move-warring. Just try and discuss more, and move less ;-) TFOWR 21:46, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Was trying to! :-) I'd revert, try to post why to the talk and then get an edit conflict from another page move. Thanks for your input. --RA (talk) 23:15, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Big stick needed please

Lurulu (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

Altan tours. It is not the first time he has tried to create it at a new title either, see his talk page. O Fenian (talk) 21:56, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

On it. I've just deleted (and salted) Altan concert tours, I assumed the previous attempts would also have been salted. TFOWR 21:57, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Altan tours also deleted and salted. I'll check Altan Concert Tours - I saw at least one of these had been salted, I think, so I'm assuming it's this one... best be safe, though. TFOWR 22:00, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

All safe - salted before I got there ;-) TFOWR 22:02, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict)x 2 Altan Tours is salted, as are Altan Concert Tours, List of Altan live tours and Altan Live. List of Altan Live is not, I have not checked any variants with capitals, I am just going by the notices on his talk page. O Fenian (talk) 22:02, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

The attacks are continuing though, even if new pages are not yet. O Fenian (talk) 22:03, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

I'll keep an eye on their contribs. I'm seeing a lot to be worried about, to be honest - a previous block, multiple warnings, edit warring, repeated recreation, personal attacks. TFOWR 22:09, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

He is ticking plenty of boxes yes. O Fenian (talk) 22:18, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Searchlight

Hi. I reverted your edit to this article. The reference you cited showed that Searchlight is also associated with the Conservative Party. Highlighting solely the links to the Communist Part seemed to give undue weight to the Communist Party, at the expense of the other parties and organisations associated with Searchlight. TFOWR 22:42, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

That is ok, but due to Searchlights contentious associations with the communist-party including members of Searchlight being life-long communists and their support for the activities of AFA (which are the people on the "other" side of the EDF), I would argue that it would be more balanced to make some kind of notary reference to this for the Searchlight comment, or atleast change the first sentence to "claim" from "said". Comment? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.251.201.191 (talk) 23:33, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Replied on your talkpage. TFOWR 23:35, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Guy Sebastian

Hi TFOWR

I was wondering if I could trouble you to check the Guy Sebastian article - seems to me that an edit war is hsppening. The regular editors are using discussion to talk about the trivia item that keeps getting removed and then put back by editors who are not discussing this in the talk page. The consensus amongst the three editors on the talk page is that this content is trivia and should not be in the article and therefore should be removed permanently.

Your help on this would be much appreciated - thanks TFOWR

--Diane (talk) 00:35, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Diane (long time no see!) I've posted at the talk page. I won't take a position on whether it should or shouldn't be included - you'll all need to work that out between yourselves. However, it does look like it's one (new) editor re-adding this? I've welcomed them, and directed them to the talk page. (I did the same for the most recent IP editor, too). I suspect the new editors simply didn't know about the talk page discussion. I'll keep an eye on the article, and steer new editors to the talk page as needed. I'll also protect the article if worse-comes-to-worse, though I'm hopeful it won't come to that. TFOWR 08:41, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Sanity check

Quick sanity check; am I overreacting, or is the comment "no comment on giftigerwunch, but I have always found you a reasonable editor..." [sic] a pretty deliberate attempt to be offensive? GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 08:30, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure! Partly because I'm on my first cup of coffee, partly because - well, I suspect I need more coffee. I'll get back to you...! TFOWR 08:37, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks; I should know better than to ask before you're sufficiently caffeinated ;) GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 08:40, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Looking at it mid-way through cup number two, it does strike me as a bizarre comment. If AfDs are simply head counts, why bother citing policies? I'd expect better from someone with that level of experience. The whole review - and the AfD before it - is weird, though. Tangentially, there's a current RfA where the candidate it getting pilloried for saying they'd avoid XfD - hell, I avoid it. This review is the reason why. TFOWR 09:55, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Heh, I don't mind contributing to AfDs, though occasionally there are controversial ones where consensus isn't clear and policy can swing the article either way, and then editors tend to dig in their heels and unsheath their claws. (And worse, sometimes they do so while making a WP:IDON'TLIKEIT or WP:YOURMUMLIKEDIT argument). This was one of those cases. GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 17:45, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

What surprised me in this one was Jclemens' !vote: I couldn't make head nor tail of their rationale. They cited WP:NOTNEWS, but I couldn't see the bit they meant. I always assume Jclemens' knowledge of policy is outstanding, but this time it seemed a little off. Most of the other keep !votes were the usual ragbag of POV !votes and IP socks, as far as I could see (apologies if I'm lumping a good-faith Jclemens-type !voter in with the POVs and socks...) Anyway, it was a weird one. Brewcrewers' comment - I don't know. I still want to AGF, but it seemed a little too much like they were trying to win over another !vote and knew they wouldn't sway you. TFOWR 17:50, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Actually I'd seen Jclemens around before and had mentally added him to my list of "good editors", so I was also a little confused with his reasoning in the DRV and a couple of similar venues recently. Looking at his argument, it's probable that he has a conflict of interest and is having trouble maintaining objectivity. In any case I'm sure he realises that criticising an established policy in DRV isn't going to influence the close. GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 18:04, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

After resolved?

Hi, after something gets resolved at BISE (say the Steak and Kidney Pudding article), what's the next steps? In the past, an editor would make the change and mention BISE in the edit summary, but what about the template on the talk page or project page? --HighKing (talk) 14:26, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Once any necessary change has been made (and the discussion marked as {{done}}) I'll archive the discussion and update the talkpage template to point to the archived discussion. I'm slightly disappointed I've not been able to do this yet, Codf1977 has updated the template to make this possible but I've not had a chance to try it out - the discussions I archived earlier were either "meta" discussions, or pre-date the new template. Incidentally, I should probably update the shiny new instructions to explain this... TFOWR 14:31, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, shall I update the aforementioned article, and then you get to play? --HighKing (talk) 14:34, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Go for it! Codf1977 and I will both be very happy (assuming the template works as advertised!) TFOWR 14:35, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

It was not resolved and it is not resolved.

It was not resolved and it is not resolved. You are forbidding and I think you are wrong to do so. I have taken it to ANI.

I am perfectly willing to talk this through and explain to you why it is important if you are willing to do so. --LevenBoy (talk) 16:28, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

I think you've had ample opportunity to explain it by now, both at WT:BISE and above. If you forgot something at BISE or above, by all means mention it now. Otherwise I feel ANI would probably be a better bet. TFOWR 16:41, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Pronunciation problems

It seems Paul Henry is in a spot of bother over his pronunciation of certain names.. O Fenian (talk) 17:59, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Heh, he's an idiot! I was always a TV3 viewer anyway, mostly because of fine programmes like Outrageous Fortune and bro'Town, but I saw him on breakfast TV from time to time. Opinionated idiot. He had some bloody stupid things to say about our Governor General recently as well, I think. I don't understand how casual racism still exists - particularly in broadcasting. TFOWR 18:06, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Don't think I'm !voting for it at WP:ITNC, though - even I recognise it's non-important as far as ITN goes ;-) TFOWR 18:07, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm pleased to see that it's not just American radio jocks who go too far and get canned. :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 18:40, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

We have an article with the gory details, but aye, it happens in New Zealand, too. I still can't get over how he can say stuff like I am astonished and dismayed that my comments have created a diplomatic incident - he called an Indian government minister "Dick Shit"! What did he think was going to happen? "Hello, New Zealand? This is India. We just wanted to say how amusing we though Henry's comment was! 'Dick Shit'! How drole! Sheila is still laughing..." TFOWR 18:49, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

It's astonishing and dismaying that these characters think they can just say anything they feel like and not be held accountable for it. His comments you've quoted just above fall into the class of "non-apology apology". P.S. Where is Old Zealand? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 18:52, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Old Zealand ← here! This guy was the first European to reach New Zealand; his crew mostly came from old Zeeland. It's also called Aotearoa, but that's a fairly modern name - I suspect the people who now call it "Aotearoa" used to call it "ours". ;-) TFOWR 18:55, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Aha, I should have known it was connected with the Netherlanders somehow - Zuider Zee and that sort of thing. This actually crossed my mind earlier today when I saw something about the "nation" called "Sealand", and wondering if they had to move or expand or something, whether they might call it "New Sealand". Regarding that Henry guy, what these jocks seem to have in common is the assumption that the only ones listening are ones who will understand that they're "just kidding". They talk on the air as if they were hanging around their neighborhood pub or something. Something similar happened to Don Imus a few years back when he made some incredibly stupid on-air comments about a woman's basketball team. "Aotearoa", eh? I wonder how that Henry character would pronounce that? And ol' Abe Tasman, who I assume Tasmania is named for (nothin' gets by me)? I expect he never anticipated Taz. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 19:06, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

It wasn't so much his laughing at her name that got me (I mean, that's understandable in a way, less that he guffawed loud and long), but the "it's so appropriate, because she's Indian, so she'd be dick-in-shit wouldn't she?" part was just blatantly stupid. Oh, and talkback at my page btw. sonia♫ 00:50, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

So if he got the pronunciation wrong and left it at that, that's one thing. But the fact he didn't stop there (seemingly unaware of where he was, i.e. on the radio and not in a pub) is what really got him in trouble. Similarly, as I recall, the Imus controversy was actually triggered by someone on-air with him who commented on how tough the women's team looked, and Imus want on to characterize these college women as "nappy-headed ho's" (again seeming to forget that he was on the air).[2] If a guy on the radio forgets where he is that way, it's time for a lengthy vacation. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 04:33, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Tasmania was originally known as Van Diemen's Land. It was given this name by Dutch explorer Abel Tasman, after Antony Van Diemen, the High Magistrate, or Governor-General of Batavia (Netherlands East Indies). Van Diemen's Land remained the name of the island until 1 January 1856, when Queen Victoria approved a petition to rename the island Tasmania, in honour of its discoverer. Off2riorob (talk) 19:48, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

"Van Diemen's Land" is a term that turns up in some Irish songs which mention British convicts being sent their. If the animal had been called a "Diemen's Devil", assuming it's pronounced like "demon", that could work. :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:11, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

• 
  Old Sealand.
• 
  One possible option for
  New Sealand.

• Thanks, Uncle G! Don't think your fix went unnoticed! <galley>, eh? I'm struggling with the galley-slaves - some are up to the task, others not so much... TFOWR 14:43, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
  • I misspelled it "galley"? Well, that's right much pathetic. Must have been thinking about some upcoming meetings. :( ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:57, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
    • My biggest concern is that the tags didn't match - always close your <galley> tags! Otherwise we're sunk! TFOWR 15:00, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

<galley> File:Sealandafterfire2.JPG|Old Sealand. File:Deepwater Horizon.jpg|One possible option for
New Sealand. </galley>

Doesn't work. :( ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:05, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Weird - looks fine to me. Maybe it's your browser? I see two oil rigs balancing on top of a trireme, with about 20 galley-slaves rowing frantically. The <galley> tag is fairly new, it was introduced with HTML 4 BC... TFOWR 15:08, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I have a really old machine. Its browser operates on kerosene. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:10, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I feel your pain. I upgraded from this only last year. TFOWR 15:12, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Yeh, that looks kinda like mine, if you add more rust to it. :( They tried to run wikipedia on those old galley ships, but it wouldn't work, because wikipedia doesn't allow OR's. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:17, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

My browser is so old, if I try to connect to YouTube, it redirects me to NoYouDontTube. :( ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:41, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Request

Could you delete User:Truthkeeper88/Ezra Pound Sandbox for me? ... and don't ask whether I'm sure, b/c I am. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Truthkeeper88 (talk • contribs)

It is gone. If you change your mind, it can be restored. (Don't know what happened with your signature - the images in the previous section seemed to "Hide" your post, so I think it didn't get signed until I removed the images...) TFOWR 13:38, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I probably forgot to sign - had to take a phone call. Thanks. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 14:18, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you like this - can you take down User:Truthkeeper88/IB Sandbox as well? Today is cleaning day for me ... Truthkeeper88 (talk) 14:37, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

No bother at all. It's gone. (I had a feeling I'd already deleted this one - I guess not?) TFOWR 14:41, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Indonesia vandal again...

Yesterday, the Indonesia misinformation vandal silently did it again. He used another "proxy": 12.50.249.160 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log). He vandalized two articles that day, but I might inspect the programs he tried to add to the said two articles as he may have vandalized them too. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 13:46, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I've semi-protected both articles for a month. Let me know if you find any other "targets". I've not blocked the IP, but if there's evidence that they're continuing to use that IP I will block it. TFOWR 13:51, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I've investigated that he tried to add Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy! into the Televisa and TV Azteca lists and it's pretty obvious the guy ain't Mexican. Wheel of Fortune has a Mexican version, but not on the two channels I mentioned and it's impossible Jeopardy would have a version there as well. The articles for the two shows are untouched, but it seems this guy is sure pretty desperate. Just stating my opinions since action has been done somewhat. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 13:58, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I suppose as we lock down more and more articles the desperation will worsen. It'll be interesting to see what happens when the first batch of one-month semi ends... I suspect I'll need to re-protect. Hopefully sooner or later the message will sink in and "our friend" will go off and find another "game" :-) TFOWR 14:02, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

OF

Hi, on the OF website and DVDs they use the term "series" not "season", thats why I changet them. TBSfan1223 (talk) 15:10, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, weird - TV3 used "season". I wasn't sure - I grew up with NZ English but I'm surrounded by British English these days. I'd still say stick to "season", per WP:RETAIN, however. TFOWR 16:02, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Recent edits

We are editing almost simultaneously, but not quite. I looked at Hong Song-dam, saw the bibliography entry with the Google book entry, and decided to replace it. After doing so, I looked at the edit history and see you had already replaced the publisher. I'm not quite sure why I didn't get an edit conflict, but want you to know my edit wasn't intended to suggest your updated cite was bad.

At the help desk, I posted about the Wikipedia citation tool for Google Books minutes before you posted, but perhaps you didn't see my post. You talked about a greasemonkey script - I wonder if you could check out the Citation tool and see if it does meet your needs. I love Google Books as well, and have been adding to the history of Simsbury, Connecticut recently with a heavy emphasis on Google books. The cite tool helps enormously.--SPhilbrickT 15:29, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

No worries about replacing the Hong Song-dam cite - I had a nosey and felt yours was better (more precise date and publisher). I did see your post about the cite tool - in fact I've stolen it already ;-) TFOWR 15:32, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Christopher Pissarides

Hi TFOWR. Once, we updated the article, we should only find the exact date of birth. In the German article it's 20 February, but not cited, while in the referenced CV there is no date of birth. Could you please help with finding the exact date? Best regards.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:31, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I'll give it my best shot! TFOWR 15:33, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

No date, but I've found a ref for 1948 - in.reuters.com. TFOWR 15:39, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

The cached version of his CV gives 20 February 1948 - google cache. I'm hesitant to use it, though, as I don't know how long it'll stay cached. Everything else I've found uses the German Wikipedia entry. It might be best just to say "1948"? TFOWR 15:52, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I've got this (Prof Christopher Pissarides at debretts.com).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:53, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

That's ideal! TFOWR 15:54, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm inserting it.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:55, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Nudge ....

Do you have some work to do @ Talk:Arts and Crafts Movement ? Codf1977 (talk) 15:47, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Could have sworn I'd done that - I meant to let you know, I tested the new, improved formula yesterday - worked perfectly. Obviously I can't actually remember what I tested it with, however... TFOWR 15:56, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Steak and kidney pudding ;-) Hmmm, tasty! TFOWR 15:57, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

 Done here. Thanks for the nudge ;-) TFOWR 16:01, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

List of Cambodian singers

Why did you believe Jeff G. anyway? Don't you read my comments? I'm trying to develop the article, not to destroy it. The article must be like List of Mexican singers or List of Afghan singers.--125.25.15.166 (talk) 16:22, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Don't forget to let me know when you're talking to other admins. I would like to read too.

Yes. 125.25 is a dynamic IP of Thailand. (I'm not Thai, I'm American, but currently living in Thailand)

Many users has misunderstanded me with other users from Thailand.--125.25.15.166 (talk) 16:25, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Because I saw this, checked the article's previous deletion discussion, and became very concerned at your actions. For what it's worth, I have asked another admin to check what I've done - Amalthea (talk), who I believe has previously been involved with the article (and with you). TFOWR 16:26, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't really matter what nationality you are - US citizens don't get a free pass to remove content, create bizarre redirects, or otherwise mess around. TFOWR 16:27, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm not trying to say US citizens can vandalize Wikipedia pages. But if you have some questions about native Thais, I will tell you first, I DON'T KNOW. I'm not Thai. Only FYI, not this one.--125.25.15.166 (talk) 16:30, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't have any questions about native Thais, and don't understand why you think I might do. TFOWR 16:31, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I saw some users asking for local language words. I'm telling you I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAI and I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT NATIVE THAIS.--125.25.15.166 (talk) 16:39, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

You can see in this. Boing! said Zebedee said:

Hi. Just to let you know that User:125.25.34.128 is one of a small number of dynamic IP editors based in Bangkok who have been causing all sorts of trouble for a good while, by continuing to blatantly act in defiance of Wikipedia policies - unsourced additions, adding clear nonsense to articles, blatant vandalism, using Talk pages for chat, making "fun" edits to User talk pages, taking part in page move vandalism (with the help of one registered editor who is now banned),

The using Talk pages for chat really driving me crazy. I haven't use the talk page for chat. I saw another user did.--125.25.15.166 (talk) 16:39, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I have to say, nothing you've said so far makes me think that I made the wrong decision... TFOWR 16:42, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

You've made the right decision. Now it's time for you to relax. I'm talking to Jeff G. and the problem will be finished very soon. Please finish this problem before I go back to the USA.--125.25.15.166 (talk) 16:47, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

OK, I have no idea what you're playing at, but I do know it has to begin to resemble sense. I'm going to keep the article protected: you can propose changes on the article's talk page, get consensus, then use the {{edit semi-protected}} template to request agreed upon changes. TFOWR 16:57, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi TFOWR, Thanks for stepping in and protecting this article - I've added some comments at User talk:Jeff G.#List of Cambodian singers. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 16:50, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. I've got the article watchlisted now, if the 125.25 nonsense continues in a week, I'll re-protect it. TFOWR 16:57, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

What if I edit in good way adding reliable sources?--125.25.15.166 (talk) 17:01, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Propose your changes on the talk page. TFOWR 17:02, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Bypassing the normal inability to create pages, I have created a draft at List of Cambodian singers/draft for this user to work on, without muddying the production page or the talk pages.   — Jeff G.  ツ 17:48, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

"Many users has misunderstanded me with other users from Thailand" is because you refuse to create an account to increase understanding of you.   — Jeff G.  ツ 17:52, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I've done drafting--125.25.15.166 (talk) 17:53, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

"Civility Parole"

Just out of curiosity: did this[3] expire or something? I know you're a big boy and can take care of yourself, but his most recent accusation of you causing "disruption" ("massive" this time)[4] over the poll closing brings the grand total of accusing you of this to eight (8) times(!) since 10 October beginning with this edit[5], not to mention twice explicitly of you "blocking consensus" and "acting beyond your authority", of "forbidding", of "unilaterally deciding"... it all seems pretty much a very blatant and repeated violation of his civility parole under assumptions of bad faith. I'm personally sick of watching him beat this poor horse's mangled carcass and casting aspersions everywhere. Maybe it's time the CP is actually enforced by an uninvolved admin... jus' sayin'.  :> Doc9871 (talk) 16:48, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I am indeed big enough and ugly enough to handle it ;-) The overarching issue - LevenBoy's Isle of Man/Channel Island poll - is currently at WP:AN, and I'm happy to wait and see how that plays out. I beginning to think that this may all stem from a confusion between "Britain and Ireland" and "Britain" and "Ireland" (the former being an alternative term for the British Isles, and the latter being two islands), in which case this is all a misunderstanding and I'd be happy to forget about it. If not, and there's further disruption, then I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. TFOWR 16:54, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Cool! Hopefully you won't cause such massive disruption in the future, because he cannot seem to let go[6] of accusing you of not assuming good faith. Very tiresome... Doc9871 (talk) 17:29, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

WP:ROPE ;-) TFOWR 17:44, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Declined speedy deletion of Bombardment of Cárdenas

Hi, you declined a G7 speedy tag I placed on Bombardment of Cárdenas with the rationale "I'm not seeing any evidence that the original author either blanked the page or tagged it." This edit by the article creator added the prod to the article. To me, that is an explicit request for deletion, which is why I tagged it for G7 in the first place. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 17:22, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I know, see #Deletion of Bombardment of Cárdenas, above. I still feel that a prod would be better, as it will give other editors a chance to find sources. Another editor has now contested the prod, so WP:AFD is probably the best bet. TFOWR 17:24, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

It's also being discussed (in passing) at WP:ANI. TFOWR 17:46, 11 October 2010 (UTC)