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::"This guy never learns"? I just had an IP address and an account banned for (a) trying to add a comment to my archived discussion and (b) adding a comment to my archived discussion. It's not my fault if someone arbitrarily says a discussion is over when it isn't, or if I'm banned on a whim for no reason. If Wikipedia suffers from great disorganization and as a community is dysfunctional, regardless of whether you will admit it or not, I'm not here to be a scapegoat for its problems. And Ed, the filter you're talking about doesn't catch long-term abuse, it's just a junk software that detects hard-to-define-as-wrong keywords and then doesn't tell you what keywords it doesn't like when it disallows your edits. Since I can't continue a discussion once someone decides that it's over, may I create a new discussion log for the renaming? Thanks. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Wrathful creed|Wrathful creed]] ([[User talk:Wrathful creed|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Wrathful creed|contribs]]) 02:30, 11 November 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::"This guy never learns"? I just had an IP address and an account banned for (a) trying to add a comment to my archived discussion and (b) adding a comment to my archived discussion. It's not my fault if someone arbitrarily says a discussion is over when it isn't, or if I'm banned on a whim for no reason. If Wikipedia suffers from great disorganization and as a community is dysfunctional, regardless of whether you will admit it or not, I'm not here to be a scapegoat for its problems. And Ed, the filter you're talking about doesn't catch long-term abuse, it's just a junk software that detects hard-to-define-as-wrong keywords and then doesn't tell you what keywords it doesn't like when it disallows your edits. Since I can't continue a discussion once someone decides that it's over, may I create a new discussion log for the renaming? Thanks. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Wrathful creed|Wrathful creed]] ([[User talk:Wrathful creed|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Wrathful creed|contribs]]) 02:30, 11 November 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:::No one is blaming you for any problems other than those you have created yourself. And yes, you never learn. You've created yet another sock account knowing full well you have been told you are not welcome to edit here as we can't trust you to abide by the policies and guidelines of the site. You edited a discussion which was clearly marked as closed, ignoring the very clear notices that the discussion was closed and should not be edited. You've also said multiple times you weren't coming back, yet here you are again. Ergo, you just don't learn. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]]<sup>[[Help:Installing Japanese character sets|?]]</sup> · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]] · [[WP:JA|<font color="maroon">Join WikiProject Japan</font>]]!</small> 03:58, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
:::No one is blaming you for any problems other than those you have created yourself. And yes, you never learn. You've created yet another sock account knowing full well you have been told you are not welcome to edit here as we can't trust you to abide by the policies and guidelines of the site. You edited a discussion which was clearly marked as closed, ignoring the very clear notices that the discussion was closed and should not be edited. You've also said multiple times you weren't coming back, yet here you are again. Ergo, you just don't learn. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]]<sup>[[Help:Installing Japanese character sets|?]]</sup> · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]] · [[WP:JA|<font color="maroon">Join WikiProject Japan</font>]]!</small> 03:58, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

== [[User:LucyEtherington]] ==

You asked me to send you a message regarding my account rename. [[User:LucyEtherington|LucyEtherington]] ([[User talk:LucyEtherington|talk]]) 13:08, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
:I still haven't heard back from you and I am going to be offline for a few hours now. Please could you advise me either here or on my talk page as to what is going to happen? Thank you [[User:LucyEtherington|LucyEtherington]] ([[User talk:LucyEtherington|talk]]) 13:37, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Revision as of 10:22, 11 November 2010

User:Dendodge/Yes

Portal:Speculative fiction is now a Featured portal! Thanks to everyone who participated in the discussion and helped improve the portal in any way (you know who you are). I really appreciate it! ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 19:43, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
日本穣—Nihonjoe—Talk page

Generally, I'll reply here if you post here, so please watch this page if you want to see my reply. If replying on another page, use the {{ping}} or {{reply}} templates to make sure I notice your reply. If I don't reply within a couple days on another page where you replied to one of my comments, feel free to drop a message here. Thanks! ···日本穣

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Edit revert on Debito Arudou

Just thought I'd let you know that I don't think that User:Nodo gordiano's edits to Debito's page were vandalism. The part about his birth name was actually correct, per both our own article and his blog, so I switched that back. The change to his hometown I think is just a mistake--according to his blog, Debito used to live in Nanporo, but later moved to Sapporo. So you may want to alter your message on the user's talk page. Qwyrxian (talk) 06:40, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The ref provided only indicates when he was born, not that his birth name was Schofill; that's what I was reverting, and the other edit was also incorrect as well. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 06:46, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

He was saying "空知郡南幌町に家を買ったんです。30年ローンで買ったんですよ。 だから、どこにもいけないんですよ" in this speech, so I thought his house was in Nanporo, not Sapporo. Anyway, I think you better read WP:ATWV carefully. --Nodo gordiano (talk) 06:55, 28 September 2010 (UTC) You say you lived in Japan, so I talk to you in Japanese. 何でもかんでも荒らしと決めつけるのは失礼だよ。不愉快だ。Wikipedia:Assume good faith ここも読んどけ。--Nodo gordiano (talk) 07:06, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but your edits appeared to be completely wrong (and they mostly were). The message I left on your talk page is not rude, nor does it state you are a vandal. It merely states that your edits appeared to be unconstructive. There's no reason to come here and poste rude things at me when I haven't been rude to you in the least. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 07:32, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That is a lie, for you clearly stated my edit was "vandalism"([1]). Telling such a lie is not only rude but also stupid. --Nodo gordiano (talk) 21:54, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That was an automated edit summary, not something I specifically chose. I already explained this, so I see no reason to spend more time on it. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 06:08, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And you said "they mostly were (wrong)." First, indeed one out of two edits happens to be incorrect, but it is ridiculous to call 50% as "mostly". Second, simple mistakes and incorrect edits are different from vandalism.You are just bullying newcomers by abusing your adminship, in addition you are unsightly trying to justify what you have done. Just admit you lied. --Nodo gordiano (talk) 06:14, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, no. Adminship has nothing to do with it (as others have explained. I'm not bullying anyone, either. I was merely correcting unconstructive edits. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 06:08, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Misc translations

I noticed your offer on the RS page. One of my challenges in Eva writing is, unsurprisingly, untranslated materials. For example, I've known for the past 5 years that Hideaki Anno did an interview on Top Runner where he said that the religious references in Neon Genesis Evangelion were 'pedantry', but though the transcript is available, no translation is available. (Google Translate is just good enough for me to verify that that page probably is what it's supposed to be.)

So, I was wondering whether the offer extends to material that might not be used on Wikipedia; if it isn't, do you freelance? (For example, a translation of all the transcripts would be worth a good $50 to me, and I think a translation of just that specific section would be worth at least $10-20 to me.) --Gwern (contribs) 16:26 28 September 2010 (GMT)

I will see what I can do. Feel free to email me more info, but please note that I will be busy for the next couple weeks due to helping to run a local anime convention which begins next week. I don't know that you need to pay me, but if you insist, I'm sure I'll be fine with it. :p ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 04:35, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, then I will follow up in 2 weeks or so. --Gwern (contribs) 18:19 29 September 2010 (GMT)
Any further thoughts on this now that the con is over? --Gwern (contribs) 18:17 14 October 2010 (GMT)

Softened wording

Ping: WT:Twinkle#Unconstructive
Cheers, Amalthea 13:05, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I've commented there. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 18:19, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Request for mediation of Video games developed in Japan, second notice

The mediation request has stalled because some of the lesser-involved parties did not answer to the note they received on their talk page. I have notified users jgp and Ost316 again, who both are the most likely to be interested in participating, though mediation cannot commence until all parties agree.

If you have no objections to going into mediation even without the users that have not signed up so far, please leave a short indication of your agreement in this section at the request page. Thank you. Prime Blue (talk) 11:47, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

EXCLAMATIONS!!!

HEY NIHONJOE!!! PLEASE STOP TRYING TO EDIT MY EDITS!!! I WILL USE AS MANY EXCLAMATION POINTS AS I PLEASE!!! SIMPLY BECAUSE I LIKE THEM!! IF THERE IS A RULE LIMITING THE NUMBER OF EXCLAMATION POINTS I MAY USE, THEN I CAN SEE A POINT TO YOUR MESSAGE!!! OTHER THAN THAT I WOULD APPRECIATE YOU KEEPING YOUR COMMENTS TO YOURSELF UNLESS THEY ARE REALLY RELEVANT TO THE ARTICLE AT HAND!!! THANK YOU! I MEAN NO DISRESPECT, BUT REALLY GUY, IS IT REALLY SO IMPORTANT HOW MANY EXCLAMATION POINTS I USE?ANASTROFAN (talk) 13:10, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I guess subtle humor is not something you understand then, so I'll be blunt: using so many exclamation points in everything you do comes off as very brusque, as if you're shouting (just like using all caps, as you did here). It makes you look like someone with no grasp of proper grammar. From what I've seen of your edits, you are very passionate about whichever topics you are discussing, but there is no reason to always be shouting at people. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 17:05, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am going to try a different approach and hope I get through to you. Thank you for your comments. Please do not contact me again unless you have a comment about the information I have added to a particular article. Outside of that I am not interested in anything you have to say!ANASTROFAN (talk) 18:55, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. I appreciate the calmer message, though refusing to take critique (note, that's different than criticism) regarding your actions is not beneficial to keeping Wikipedia running smoothly. My initial comments on your talk page were an attempt at addressing the issue through some humor, which you obviously didn't see. I'm sorry that you weren't able to grasp the spirit of that message. We all need to be able to freely work with each other, and (speaking from experience) refusing to accept such critique is not an effective way to do that. Now, if you don't want to accept my comments in the spirit in which they were given, that's your choice and I'll leave it at that. However, refusing to work with people and accept behavioral critique—as you appear to be doing here—will serve to fragment those of us who are working together to improve the encyclopedia. I hope you'll reconsider your stance on this issue. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 19:45, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You seem to misuderstand. I never said I refuse "to take critque". Humor you should realize is subjective. What may seem humorous or humorous in intent to one person, (especiaaly when meant as a "critique"), could be taken as inane, trivial,annoying and sometimes insulting; especially when coming from a stranger!
I welcome any "critique" or criticism on information I have provided. My discussions with other Wikepedia contributers has always been in a civil manner and illustrates that I have never refused to not work "with people" and want only "to improve the encyclopedia." On the other hand, it is my prerogative, if I feel the criticism or "critque" is not relevant to any information I have posted in an article, and seems personal (or as you say a "behavioral critique") to question why someone I do not know at all and who does not know me, would critique something that does not, in my opinion, require "critique". (Like something as minor in importance as exclamation points in an edit summary. Or should I be flattered that you seem to have been following my edit summaries?) So in this instance let's just agree to disagree and let it go at that.ANASTROFAN (talk) 22:34, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
As I said, if you want to refuse to accept the critique, that's your choice. It was offered in a spirit of goodwill. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 06:05, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

konichiwa

hey,

i wanna learn japanese! can u suggest me what should i learn first? -- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 14:53, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest learning hiragana and katakana first, as well as studying basic vocabulary and grammar. There are various books and lessons available which can help you with this. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 17:14, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
kanji, hiragana, katakana, romaji, which is more common and the easiest? I didn't knew that japanese have 4 types of alphabets :/, i thought they have only one? or isnt it an alphabet? Or is it like Penmanship and Block letters? . And one more question which u maybe know: is chinese, like mandarin or cantonese, harder than japanese?-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 17:29, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Learning kana first will only serve to help you as you then learn kanji. Romaji is pretty easy to learn, though there are several different versions which can confuse the matter. I would recommend learning kana first, then learning basic vocabulary and picking up kanji as you progress. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 19:48, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
k alright, thx for ur answer :D!-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 13:52, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Excuse my butting in, see our article Japanese language. There are ELs for learning. Oda Mari (talk) 17:39, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, our article is a good overview of the language, and there are useful links there, too. Thanks, Mari. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 19:48, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Request for mediation accepted

The request for mediation concerning Video games developed in Japan, to which you were are a party, has been accepted. Please watchlist the case page (which is where the mediation will take place). For guidance on accepted cases, refer to this resource. A mediator should be assigned to this dispute within two weeks. If you have any queries, please contact a Committee member or the mediation mailing list.

For the Mediation Committee, AGK 21:35, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Message delivered by MediationBot, on behalf of the Mediation Committee.

Looks like I was a little sloppy with the linkfarm clean-up. Thanks for catching it. — Bdb484 (talk) 02:29, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. We're all here to help each other out. :) ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 03:27, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mediation

I sought assistance here — Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2010-10-04/Eulsa Treaty. I do not know what happens next. --Tenmei (talk) 21:10, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Summarizing the so-called discussion which began at Talk:Eulsa Treaty in early August here:
A. In an attempt to help us start discussion, options were proposed here and refined here.
  1. Leave it at its current name?
  2. To Japan-Korea Protectorate Treaty?
  3. To Japan-Korea Treaty of 1905?
  4. To 1905 Protectorate Treaty?
  5. Or what?; see the second paragraph of page Eulsa Treaty.
B. Valentim presented the results of a Lexis/Nexis search here. This supplements several Google searches.
In the many weeks of so-called discussion thread development, those opposing the move have either been unwilling or unable to present refutation or counterargument; and therefore, I propose we delay no longer.

In other words, I suggest that there is a consensus to act now on the basis of the Lexis-Nexis search outcome. The time has come for this article to be renamed Japan-Korea Treaty of 1905. --Tenmei (talk) 19:44, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requesting undelete

Hiya, I come to you because you are listed at Category:Wikipedia administrators who will provide copies of deleted articles. The article FriendsWithYou was speedy deleted as unambiguous advertising / promotion. However it's been around a while, and looking at the history, it was a basically fine (if short) article a while back (before the promotional edits.) If you could restore the article or userfy it for me I'd be happy to revert/clean it up and remove all the promotional material. Thank you for your time, Siawase (talk) 14:39, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done. It's at User:Siawase/Friends With You. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 16:42, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much. Sorry for accidentally linking to the redirect. Cheers, Siawase (talk) 20:59, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note

Please see here  7  01:58, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, replied. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 05:12, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A question about Japanese pronunciation ... if I see a long accent over a vowel, does that mean I stress that vowel in the English approximation of the word? - Dank (push to talk) 22:43, 9 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, it merely means you hold the length of the vowel twice as long. To break it down simply, each syllable in Japanese is pronounced in the same amount of time, so if each one took one second, then that word would be four seconds long (Ko-n-do-o). Hope that helps. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 04:54, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks so much. Btw, the article we're getting ready for FAC is Japanese battleship Kongō, feel free to jump in. - Dank (push to talk) 12:36, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
But Joe, "Kondō" has just two syllables. As for moras, yes it has four, but I don't think that phonetic research would confirm that "ō" takes twice as long as plain "o". -- Hoary (talk) 12:44, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In English it only has two syllables, but in Japanese it has four. And I'm not going to get sucked into one of your little semantics arguments, Hoary. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 19:30, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Copy/paste move

Senkaku Islands is copy/pasted to Senkaku Islands dispute losing all the edit histories. Please see Talk:Senkaku Islands#Content Copied/Awaiting Removal. I think the edit histories should be kept to Senkaku Islands dispute and Talk:Senkaku Islands dispute. Please handle this matter. Thank you. ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 23:21, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to swap the article to keep the edit history to Senkaku Islands dispute, but Senkaku Islands is protected to move. I failed the move. Please restore Senkaku Islands dispute temp to Senkaku Islands dispute and preferably swap Senkaku Islands with Senkaku Islands dispute. I will then swap the contents. ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 00:58, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Senkaku Islands should absolutely not be moved to Senkaku Islands dispute. It's perfectly fine to create a new article with only the dispute information as long as it's noted in at least one of the first edit summaries that the information was copied over from the Senkaku Islands article. The article will not be moved. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 20:02, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I am talking about which article should have the past edit history. Almost all of the recent edit history of Senkaku Islands are related to Senkaku Islands dispute. Moreover, Talk:Senkaku Islands is still in use for discussions about Senkaku Islands dispute. Should it be moved to Talk:Senkaku Islands dispute by cut/paste? Senkaku Islands should have been moved to Senkaku Islands dispute and split to Senkaku Islands by cut/paste. ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 20:22, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The way it was done is perfectly acceptable. Please see the notice on the talk page of Senkaku Islands dispute which incorporates the history of the Senkaku Islands article, too. Only one article can keep the history, and trying to separate it out is too much hastle for very little return, especially when the notice already does what needs to be done. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 20:30, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It may be a legitimate split by guideline, but it was not a clever split at all. Then how do you deal with Talk:Senkaku Islands which is still in use to discuss about Senkaku Islands dispute? Don't you think it should be moved to Talk:Senkaku Islands dispute instead of cut/past split?―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 20:53, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No, it should just be left where it is, and any future discussions on the dispute should be moved to Talk:Senkaku Islands dispute. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 20:56, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requesting unprotection of Sea of Japan naming dispute

I have requested on Talk:Sea of Japan naming dispute to have the full protection dropped so that I can replace the current article with the draft from my user space. As the original protecting admin, would you like to handle the issue yourself, or would you prefer that I go through WP:RPP? Qwyrxian (talk) 01:06, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 05:22, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category/user deletion request

How are you doing Nihon? This is Darin, thank you for your time. I would be very appreciative if you could delete the following category page ([[2]]) and the users listed in that category. I'm happy that you did what you did five years ago when I, out of ignorance, submitted those unrevised articles to Wikipedia, and I'm sorry you had to stand up to that immaturity until early 2009. But that's all over now. I want to move on from this and from Wikipedia so this no longer affects me or anyone else. I have no interest helping Wikipedia since it's anti-capitalist but if you ever need specific help with anything you can just send a message my way and I'll see what I can do. If you can do this for me you will have my thanks. Take care. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.208.41.91 (talk) 20:41, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have nominated it for deletion. We will need to abide by that decision. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 04:27, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies

Hi! Just before you'd posted the message on UAA about discussing a user name with the user, I had blocked the user. Inadvertent. Do change the block if you wish. Best. Wifione ....... Leave a message 09:40, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 04:07, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned non-free image File:Ancestry dot com logo.png

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Thanks for uploading File:Ancestry dot com logo.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of "file" pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Skier Dude (talk 04:00, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It was replaced with an SVG file, so this notice is a little off. Please don't template the regulars. I've deleted it. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 04:06, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A small step

I have a better response to something you wrote a month ago here.

Responding to constructive criticism here, I tried to restate the point in different words:

"... if the argument manages inadvertently to exclude or marginalize, it is missing the broader point that Wikipedia is a collaborative venture.
"An idiomatic expression is almost applicable (but not exactly): Do you know what I mean when I say that I construe Qwyrxian to be advising me not to throw out the baby with the bathwater."
Aha -- a step in a constructive direction. --Tenmei (talk) 20:38, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Ōmuta (disambiguation) for deletion

A discussion has begun about whether the article Ōmuta (disambiguation), which you created or to which you contributed, should be deleted. While contributions are welcome, an article may be deleted if it is inconsistent with Wikipedia policies and guidelines for inclusion, explained in the deletion policy.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ōmuta (disambiguation) until a consensus is reached, and you are welcome to contribute to the discussion.

You may edit the article during the discussion, including to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. armagebedar (talk) 04:03, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Help

Can you please explain the "ou" thing to LovelieHeart (talk · contribs). They don't seem to get it. 追人YumeChaser 09:15, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think you both need to cool your jets and stop edit warring. Then we can discuss compliance with MOS:JA. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 15:53, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Can you help us please ?

Hello Nihonjoe. We'd like to have published on ja.Wikipedia a page re an international artistic movement founded in Italy. A Japanese friend has partly translated it: can we send it to you in order to see if you can refine and complete it for the publication ? We'd be much obliged! Thanks a lot--Aeron10 (talk) 04:29, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not the best person for translating into Japanese. I suggest asking someone for help at ja:Wikipedia:Help for Non-Japanese Speakers. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 06:10, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mucking up the page

Hi, just wanted you to know that I wasn't trying to muck up the page. I had noticed a few days ago that someone has but some kind of bold header saying some pretty unsavory things up at the top. I was just trying to take that down, I don't know if I did it the right way? Sorry about that! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.218.86.128 (talk) 16:54, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Which page? I have no idea what you mean. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 04:21, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Users

Ukentertainment triggered the Edit Filter for http://ukentertainmentonline.com Hence gave them the welcome for COI and reported them and similar is the case with Tibetan Tsampa alos trigged the filter through they had no edits as it is better to let them know at the start itself.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:25, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

They still have no record of any edits in their actual contribs (deleted or otherwise). I wonder why that is. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 05:39, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

BLP Issues

I came across your name via the Highly Active Users board. Through NPP, I have recently come across another editor User:Peripatetic that has a long history of creating BLP articles that lack any references. I flagged one of his articles with a BLP Prod and he responded stating that he has created hundreds of articles and he has never been very good at adding refs, so he doesn't do it. He started a conversation on my talkpage, in which another editor has participated and stated his concerns as well. User:Peripatetic's talkpage is full of ignored warnings from individuals and bots regarding the failure to add refs on BLPs. What recourse do we have to enforce compliance with the policy regarding BLPs? Thanks. Cindamuse (talk) 02:52, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

While I can understand the importance of sourcing articles, especially BLPs, I also think it's important to not waste so much time trying to force someone into doing something they admit they are not good at. I would recommend instead spending time adding to their additions and helping to source the articles. That's what Wikipedia is all about, after all: a collaborative encyclopedia with articles written by multiple people. If he's not understanding, then go and try to source the article. If you can't, then tag it as needing sources. Only do that after making an honest effort to actually source it, though. Doing anything else is not helping the effort. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 05:55, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Puzzling response. Ensuring adherence to policy is not a waste of time, and certainly should not be dismissed by a Wikipedia Administrator. You may want to spend some time reviewing the policy, which can be found here. References indicate the "source" of the material used to write the article. It is inappropriate and impossible to ascertain where another author found the information s/he used in the article. This is the responsibility of the author of the article. While I often assist in bringing articles into compliance with guidelines and policy, this lack is an egregious violation of the policy pertaining to hundreds of BLPs. I prefer not to condone the violation of policy. The policy to not create unreferenced BLP articles is there for a purpose. Disregarding the policy is a disgrace. Regards, Cindamuse (talk) 06:15, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not puzzling at all. What you appear to want is extreme enforcement to the detriment of all else. That's just plain unworkable. Rather than drive-by tagging, it's far more effective to see if you can find sources to match the information in the article first, and if you're unable to do so, then tag it appropriately. Rote adherence to policy is not the end-all, be-all of Wikipedia. We should instead be working with the spirit of the policy lest we become mere bots. And as I said, we are all authors here; heaping all responsibility on only the person who created the article is absurd. One thing you might try (which I can't see that you've done at all to this point, though I may have missed it) is to request that Peripatetic at least list, either in a References section or on the talk page of the article in question, where he obtained the information in the articles. It doesn't need to be formatted properly or anything. This allows those more familiar with how references should be formatted to go through and format them properly and place them in the article appropriately. And then, if no references can be found, tag the articles appropriately. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 06:35, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Adherence to policy is not only workable, it's required. I'm not the only editor that has been essentially walking behind this horse in the parade and cleaning up his mess. Others are frustrated as well. Thought you might be able to help in this situation. Sorry to have bothered you. Regards, Cindamuse (talk) 06:56, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have no desire to see anyone blocked. Peripatetic states that s/he has created hundreds of articles. My concern is that these BLP articles have been added in violation of policy, lacking references. My desire is that Peripatetic would appropriately comply with policy by providing at least one reliable source to support the articles that s/he writes. My request (as well as the request of others) is cooperation and collaboration, of which both have been dismissed by Peripatetic. The motive of my approach on your talkpage was to inquire about the process. A noticeboard or something of that nature directing these questions to specific admins that are familiar with BLP issues. Peripatetic's refusal to provide references for BLPs that s/he writes goes back two years. I have communicated along with other editors, in an attempt to request sources from Peripatetic and address the lack of references, to no avail. I have provided numerous references and improved hundreds of articles. My question pertained to process and recourse, after other efforts have failed. Cindamuse (talk) 10:15, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I just wanted to thank you. In spite of my frustration with a lack of adherence to policy, I want you to know that your words offered regarding collaboration have not fallen on deaf ears. Hope you're having a great weekend. Cindamuse (talk) 07:09, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Have an ale

Ha ha. Have an ale. Sit back and enjoy it — no, wait, it's your choice: Feel free to use it (a) to drown a snark or two, (b) to drink (to perk you up for the arduous chore of desysopping?), or (c) just to pour over my head. Mine's a Chimay. Cheers! -- Hoary (talk) 07:51, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'll down a root beer instead since I don't drink, but I appreciate the sentiment. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 17:44, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Root beer: not my taste. But I do like juice. Well, that little argument over there has become surreal. I'm now accused of pushing an argument that makes no sense because, because ... well anyway my problem is that I ignore something that, um, is in fact pretty close to what I was saying just a few lines previously. Read and enjoy. -- Hoary (talk) 00:07, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It really depends on the root beer, for me. I agree the argument has gone a little surreal. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 01:44, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I'm not sure what you are referencing in option "b". Will you explain? ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 01:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It references something that this now reminds me is the job of a steward, not a bureaucrat. Bureaucrats turn out to have remarkably few special roles/abilities, which makes me wonder again about why there's such an enormous kerfuffle about whether or not somebody should become one. (A ripple from the "Essjay" debacle, perhaps?) ¶ Here's another (a)-(b)-(c) of mine for you. If you're not particularly interested in Obama, so much the better: although a number of the regulars on that page do work there that's mostly or exclusively excellent, I've often thought that the attention of a few more unprejudiced and dispassionate people there would be welcome. -- Hoary (talk) 06:47, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Account rename

My old account seemed to be global one, but renamed was English-only. I promoted it to global, not knowing that it's not right :( What I have to do really to move other languages' histories? May be you can undo English rename and then do Global rename instead? Ncpie (talk) 16:27, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You will need to request a rename on all the others, too. We can't do global rename here. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 17:41, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you a lot! Ncpie (talk) 22:08, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Questions

Hello! I saw your name under HAU, and it lists you as being experienced with content. I have a few questions about Good Articles, specifically WP:GACR. First, are there any size requirements for GAs? And secondly, what's the optimal amount of pictures that a GA should have? GACR reccomends images, "if possible", but is it possible for an article to be a GA without any pictures, if none are available online?--hkr Laozi speak 12:39, 4 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's possible, but not likely. I don't know of any good articles which have no pictures whatsoever. There are many good articles which have only one picture, but those tend to be about topics where all the images which could be used would be fair use images. As for size requirements, there is nothing specific other than that the article should be fairly complete and cover the topic well without any glaring omissions. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 15:42, 4 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the help, I understand now.--hkr Laozi speak 20:19, 4 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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A tag has been placed on Akio Nakamori requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

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Nomination of Akio Nakamori for deletion

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Odd user login problem

I've been contacted by Concertphotos (talk · contribs), formerly Festivalphotos (talk · contribs), whose username you changed. He gets "Login error. There is no user by the name "Concertphotos". User names are case sensitive. Check your spelling, or create a new account." when he tries to log in. He has (once) successfully used the account but has since consistently gotten this message. I've offered the usual suggestions about spelling, trying different browsers, clearing caches, etc., and they seem to be sufficiently clued that they've tried the obvious remedies themselves. They can't get into Commons or svwiki either. Do you have any ideas? The login sequence is definitely not my area (and maybe not yours either, but suggestions on who might understand it would be welcome).I'm posting as well at WP:VP/T. I've suggested just creating a new account, but thought I'd see if there's a known issue. Acroterion (talk) 03:53, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what you can do. It's likely a browser issue if he's sure he's entering the username correctly. It may not be submitting the form correctly. Help:Logging in#How to log in may have some help. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 06:58, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Now I was abel to log in succesfully. I have tried to log in with Firefox, Internet Explorer, Google Chrome and got the same message there. My usernamne i stored in my browers so i use execctly the same namne everytime I'm trying to log in and of course the same password. I have tried to log in a lot of times believe me. This is my second time of a sucsessfull inlog and that is very confusing. What could the problem be? Concertphotos (talk) 13:41, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Now they can't get in again, according to email. I've suggested using an entirely different computer, seems like something odd with the browser. Acroterion (talk) 14:16, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've creatade a new account now this seems to work fine. I have tried to log in with 3 different computers and I can log in at the festivalphoto account every time without problems on all 3 computers, just the Concertphotos account that is giving the error-message. This new acount is working just fine. So there must be some specific problem with the Concertphotos account, the problem is not with the browser or something like that. Concertphoto (talk) 13:32, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, you're logged in with an account now, so that's all that matters. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 17:35, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

User:IBen/TB Should be fixed. 00:24, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Er, it was correct! 173.49.140.141 (talk) 00:26, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, because the series isn't science fiction, fantasy, horror or anything related. The series is considered realistic fiction. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 00:35, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Japanese Warrior and history Articles

I've been interested in tightening up the Japanese history articles for a while, and might now really have the time, but don't know "where" the page(s) are that contain the groups of people who work on them. I'm just leaving a note here because I've seen you on various related discussion pages. Where do I find the people that actively work on them? There is A LOT of fluff and frankly worthless articles among the better ones that I think I can help clean up. BradTraylor (talk) 05:41, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well there are the following pages for a start:
You can also find many people who watch Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan, so posting a message there might be helpful. I recommend taking things slowly, though, and not doing any wholesale deletion nominations or anything as that will likely get people riled up. If you think something should be done (other than general clean up editing and tightening and sourcing of content), please be sure to discuss it first. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 07:35, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for response to name change request

Thank you for your response [3] to my request for a name change. I now regret that I registered an account under my real name and would like to have it changed for privacy concerns. Thank you. Andrew Olivo Parodi (talk) 07:05, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALready answered over there. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 15:31, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

After change of username

Hi, Thanks for changing my username. I have a question: My old username still shows on talk pages (like on signatures after a post).. how do I get those to reflect my new username? --Bhanap1708 (talk) 18:01, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I read about this on a wiki help page and I realize it can't be done due to limitation of MediaWiki software. You don't need to respond now. Thanks.--Bhanap1708 (talk) 18:11, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, you have to go through and manually change all of them. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 05:16, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Checking AIV, I have blocked User:Innocent premonition because he tripped a certain filter designed to catch long-term abuse. From his contributions he is trying to speak on behalf of User:Darin Fidika, so I put a sock tag on his user page. If you disagree with either of these actions, feel free to adjust. Since you participated in a discussion about deletion of his sock category, I assume you are familiar with his case. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 05:40, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, you did the right thing. This guy just never learns. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 05:47, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"This guy never learns"? I just had an IP address and an account banned for (a) trying to add a comment to my archived discussion and (b) adding a comment to my archived discussion. It's not my fault if someone arbitrarily says a discussion is over when it isn't, or if I'm banned on a whim for no reason. If Wikipedia suffers from great disorganization and as a community is dysfunctional, regardless of whether you will admit it or not, I'm not here to be a scapegoat for its problems. And Ed, the filter you're talking about doesn't catch long-term abuse, it's just a junk software that detects hard-to-define-as-wrong keywords and then doesn't tell you what keywords it doesn't like when it disallows your edits. Since I can't continue a discussion once someone decides that it's over, may I create a new discussion log for the renaming? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wrathful creed (talkcontribs) 02:30, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No one is blaming you for any problems other than those you have created yourself. And yes, you never learn. You've created yet another sock account knowing full well you have been told you are not welcome to edit here as we can't trust you to abide by the policies and guidelines of the site. You edited a discussion which was clearly marked as closed, ignoring the very clear notices that the discussion was closed and should not be edited. You've also said multiple times you weren't coming back, yet here you are again. Ergo, you just don't learn. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 03:58, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]