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Asking for a nomination

Hello there Worm^TT · I wan't you to help me regarding my nomination for the administrator-ship I requested for earlier today, please do help me regarding it. Thank you :) (Spitfire202 (talk) 08:58, 13 March 2012 (UTC))

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vandal attack

Hi,

I got attacked by a vandal yesterday. Fortunately I'd read your newest lesson for me and I left four warnings (which he kept deleting) and reported him to the vandal page. Another editor had already blocked him, but only for 31 hours. Maybe that will do it, as it was an school ip. MathewTownsend (talk) 14:22, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Well done! Unfortunately it does happen on wikipedia. 31 hours is pretty standard for IPs, especially school IPs. The theory is that they will be blocked for the rest of the school day plus another school day (7h) which should be enough to deter them from walking out of the classroom and coming straight back the next day. Worm^TT · (talk) 14:45, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

• Re my TEST. I'm worried about the time limit. Supposed something comes up and I have to leave the test for a while? I could probably return the same day if that happened, but if the time is too strict...? MathewTownsend (talk) 22:01, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

it's not that strict :) see what you can do Worm^TT · (talk) 22:32, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

well, I'm sort of wearing out today. Should I wait till tomorrow to start? Or is it ok to spread it over a two days? MathewTownsend (talk) 22:46, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

oh I though you realised, you get a whole week to do it! So far everyone's managed to do it in that time, but there's no rush :) Worm^TT · (talk) 22:51, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

That's great. I guess I have test anxiety! I won't worry then. Thanks, MathewTownsend (talk) 22:55, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Worm! I'm working on my test. I'll be sorry when my adoption is over. MathewTownsend (talk) 16:22, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

I'd noticed, I'll look forward to marking it. Even when it's over though, you're still welcome to come to me for questions. I've just mentioned you in the bottom section of this page by the way! Worm^TT · (talk) 16:25, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Adoption

Do you think if you were to adopt me that I would benefit at becoming a better editor or do you think it is unnecessary?—cyberpower (Chat)(WP Edits: 521,280,954) 00:37, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm not Worm, but I think you would benefit from it, yes. One slight problem is that Worm has so many adoption requests at the moment that he's fairly unlikely to have time to help. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:40, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Demiurge has summed up my thoughts exactly. I've noticed you around a few times, and thought that you'd be make a great candidate for mentorship - I know you haven't caused lots of issues or anything like that, but I do think that you could do with a little guidance on what areas would benefit most from your help. Having said that, I'm not sure how much good my mentoring style would be to you and I think that you may want to ask around, see if you can find another long standing editor to help you out. You're always welcome to come to me to ask any questions, should you want to - but since I don't see that I would be the best mentor for you and I already have too many mentees and more requests (see below), I don't think I'll be in the best position to help out. Worm^TT · (talk) 08:29, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

I am open to adoption. Please let me know if there is a spot available.—cyberpower (Chat)(WP Edits: 521,926,947) 12:49, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

I will get back to you when I'm a little bit less busy then. By the way, I see there's another editor complaining about your signature on your talk page... at what point would you say that it might be problematic? Worm^TT · (talk) 12:52, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure what he quite means by bombastic. I a signature is supposed to identify one's self and this complaint isn't like the complaints I have received in the past. Last time when editors were complaining about the colors I considered that problematic and I applied changes to it.—cyberpower (Chat)(WP Edits: 521,928,584) 13:02, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, I read bombastic as "over the top", I think it's a combination of the striking colours and the length (esp the total number of edits) - just my opinion. Which I've said before. Worm^TT · (talk) 13:05, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

If I get more complaints, I'll change it.—cyberpower (Chat)(WP Edits: 521,966,102) 17:21, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Um... how many more complaints exactly? Every single one of your talk page archives have at least 1 complaint about your signature. There's about 8 or 9 complaints I can find! You make changes, but not taking on board the larger issues, it's still garish, it's still too long. Worm^TT · (talk) 17:31, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hello, I wouldn't make a complaint, but I'm not a fan of the sig either. 1) Very, very long. 2) The editcount figure shows total edits to EN by every user ever, I assume, at the time you post it - but it redirects to your personal contribs, which I find a bit misleading. 3) The colour-coding thing to show your availability is a neat idea, but because it doesn't update once posted, it is not very useful for seeing whether you're online. If you're signing something, you're online! If people need more info they can go to your user page.

I suppose what it comes down to is that a fancy sig is a bit like decorating your house with flashy Christmas lights. No matter how much you like it, it does you no favours if your neighbours start a petition. Ask yourself who you're doing it for. My Humble Opinion, heed or ignore as you like. :) ~ Kimelea (talk) 19:05, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I don't understand why Cyberpower678 wants to have such an over-the-top signature. It's hard to read so I just skip over it. So he's saying that he has over 500,000 edits? Isn't that kind of a meaningless number? MathewTownsend (talk) 16:28, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

No, he's saying that WP has a total of 521million edits... but he's in the process of changing it, so don't worry. Worm^TT · (talk) 16:32, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

My article

Do you think my nawton school article is readu to be moved into the mainspace to be developed yet as i have added basic content and structure (With formatting help from Gilderien)? --Turbo₅₆₆ ^talk 08:11, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Right. There's a few issues with the article at User:Turbo566/Nawton primary school at the moment, perhaps you'll want to have a look at them?

1. Primary schools aren't inherently notable and are generally deleted at AfD. To stop this from happening, you'd have to prove that this school is notable under the general notability guidelines, and that means that you'll have to find a fair number of independent sources which discuss the school specifically. Not just mention it, but actually discuss it.
2. The image that you've got up there is an example image. You'll want to remove that before going live, possibly replacing it with a free image of the school, but definitely removing it.
3. The reference is unformated. Try using the {{cite}} template, adding more information in, like when it was accessed, who publishes it and so on.
4. It seems to have 4 names! Nawton Primary School, Nawton primary school, Nawton Comprehensive Primary School and Nawton Community primary school
5. It doesn't read particularly well at the moment. Remember, you're writing in an encyclopedic manner, keeping to the facts and trying to be succinct. That means that repeating the same thing isn't particularly good. For example The entire second sentence could be removed by writing
   Nawton Primary School (or Nawton Comprehensive Primary School) is a comprehensive school located in Nawton, North Yorkshire.
6. The titles need to follow wikipedia standards (capital at the start, and that's it)
7. You have an empty section.

Sooo there's quite a bit more that needs doing before it gets moved to the main space, but keep at it, it may be a great article one day! Worm^TT · (talk) 16:10, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Umm, there seems to be a problem here: it isn't a comprehensive school! That's a word used for secondary / high / senior schools (I suppose pretty well all primary schools are comprehensive in effect, in that they have pupils from all abilities, but there aren't any selective alternatives except some competitive fee-paying schools with entry exams). What it calls iself on the school website is "Nawton Community Primary School" (and also "Nawton CP School", another title from which we'll need a redirect). Turbo, you need to be careful to read the words of the sources you use. Good luck in your editing - though, as Worm suggests above, we may not be able to have a whole article about the school, and it might be better to add the info to the Nawton, North Yorkshire article. There's a free-to-use picture of the school at http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2756771, though it doesn't seem to have been copied into Commons as yet. PamD 16:27, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

You see, this is why talk page stalkers are helpful. When your brain has gone soft from a long day, they still spot the obvious mistakes! Turbo, don't be disheartened, the information can go somewhere on the encyclopedia, but perhaps a new article might not be the best spot. Worm^TT · (talk) 16:30, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Actually, looking at the Nawton article, it could do with some expanding! Worm^TT · (talk) 16:31, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the criticism, i will keep working! (and probably just add it to the nawton article instead as the school is just a school in the middle of nowhere) --95.149.232.243 (talk) 20:16, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Please adopt me

Please can you adopt me? Androzaniamy (talk) 17:59, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Adoption

Hi Worm That Turned, I am interested in being adopted by you. How could I go about accomplishing this? Alexroller (talk) 19:17, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm afraid I'm rather full up at the moment, I'll leave you a note with some suggestions on your talk page. Worm^TT · (talk) 08:30, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

You are being discussed at . . .

Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship#Suggestion_for_new_crats.—cyberpower (Chat)(WP Edits: 521,619,151) 22:43, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

User pages

Thank you for making an alteration on my user page. However, I thought it was against Wikipedia polices for anyone to edit user page that wasn't their own, regardless of admin status - unless there was offensive material that warranted such action. I'm slightly concerned that a user to whom I haven't come in contact with before has visited my user page and took it upon themselves to edit it. Wesley☀Mouse 13:12, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict)I think you'll have a hard time finding any policy that actually says that an editor cannot edit another user's page, it'd be wholly against the spirit of a wiki. All contributions are released under WP:CC-BY-SA, so do be careful about giving the impression of ownership. How I got there, if you're interested, was through User talk:Hghyux, where you suggested he used your Barnometer. I thought it was an interesting idea and went to your userpage. I saw a way to improve (in my opinion) and that's what I did (as you'll see in my edit summary.) If you don't like it, revert it, it's your userpage. Worm^TT · (talk) 13:23, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

If I may ask a question; I have noticed some pages that have their barnstars/awards in some sort of a "wow" style. Not sure how to describe it really, each award is set within a table of boxes. I've tried several times to do this, but the end result is my main page looking all higgledy-piggledy. I've also noticed a lot of people talking about adoption too, and notice you do adopting. Is there a specific timeline in which adoption coursework has to be done by? Wesley☀Mouse 13:19, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

If you can point me to one of the userpages with the "wow" style, I'd be happy to try and help you recreate it. I just display mine at User:Worm That Turned/Awards. Regarding adoption, I'm afraid I'm a touch busy at the moment (I've got too many people on and a queue of people trying to sign up!) but you could always go to the list of adopters and see if there's anyone else who might be able to help you! Worm^TT · (talk) 13:23, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

	A Personal Thank You Award
	I would like to thank Worm That Turned for fixing my Barnstar wall of fame section, and giving it a well earned improvement. Wesley☀Mouse 13:35, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

You are, of course, welcome. Worm^TT · (talk) 13:38, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I won't get in trouble for making a personalized award like that above would I? I know it isn't one on the Barnstars list, but I couldn't find one that had the personal touch to it, and that design (except the image) is my own choice. Also, you asked for links to show the wow style I have seen for displaying awards received. Here is one version and I have seen a really smart looking user page too belonging to the same person, but of course I don't want to be copying designs of users. If I were to have a personal design to my user page and/or awards page, it would be to highlight the fact that I'll be a volunteer at the London 2012 Paralympics, so sporty/Olympic/Greek theme would be along the lines. Wesley☀Mouse 13:43, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Not at all. I've got a personal barnstar that I give out to people completing my course User:Worm That Turned/Adopt/Barnstar, and it's so clever you can give out parts of it at a time! You're allowed to create anything you like like that as long as it's not disruptive (effectively likely to bother people) and using content that's released under license.

As for AxG's awards, he's quite cleverly used a set of <gallery></gallery> tags. How about you have a go creating something using those tags at User:Wesley Mouse/Awards, which you can transclude in. I'll keep an eye on the page, and if you get stuck, I can give you a hand. There's some help at Wikipedia:PIC#Galleries if you want some inspiration. Worm^TT · (talk) 14:00, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Oooo thank you ever so much for pointing me in the right direction with all this information. The link you provided has definitely inspired me now to get creative and jazz up my page. Am I permitted to design a few images via photoshop and upload them into public domain, for the purpose of incorporating them into the artwork design, similar to what AxG has done? Wesley☀Mouse 16:50, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Indeed you can. I'd recommend you upload them to Commons, but as long as they are your own work, you can upload them. Worm^TT · (talk) 17:25, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Woohoo I've designs my own logo-style image, and managed to design my user page, headers, and other pages too. You are a good teacher when it comes to things like that - let me know what you think - and once again Thank You! Wesley☀Mouse 20:35, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Looks good - don't spend too much time on it though, remember we're here to build an encyclopedia! Worm^TT · (talk) 10:51, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

For like the millionth time

Hello, Worm That Turned. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.

• I have the wonderful joy of school in a couple of hours, So I'll have to get back to you, next time I'm on. Sorry, -- MST☆R ^{(Chat Me!)} 13:50, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

I've had a glance, I'll reply soon. Have a good day. Worm^TT · (talk) 13:54, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Return from absence

Dear Worm That Turned, I apologise that I seemingly disappeared mid-adoption, it must have seemed mightily ungrateful; there were a series of events which conspired to make my free time scarcer and all the more valuable and wikipedia was somewhat forgotten. However, following a recent resurgence in my own in interest in editing I am back and wanted to let you know given how much of my knowledge of wiki's workings I owe to you, and to perhaps finish my adoption course! My name was Reichsfurst but I have changed it following possible associations of the name which were wholly unintended. Yours, Trumpkinius (talk) 19:37, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

I would like to continue with the final test and exam if possible, thank you. Trumpkinius (talk) 07:49, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Good Article

Hi Dave, just wondering how I get someone to assess an article on the "Good Article" criteria? It's the Citroën C3 Picasso article by the way. Thanks Jenova20 16:08, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, once you are happy that it meets the Good article criteria, then you can follow the instructions at the good article nomination page. It's fairly simple, involving dropping a template on the talk page. Having said that, I'm not sure that article quite meets good article criteria... I'd expect there to be a lot more information... is there really that little to write on that car? Worm^TT · (talk) 16:14, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

No, there's loads more, i just wanted something to work towards rather than waffling on and picking the information i think suits the article.

This way i can improve the article and be productively working towards a Good Article.

Thanks Jenova20 16:20, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Ah, that's a very good idea. Well, generally you're looking for the information to be broad, accurate and well written. When you've done a bit more and you start to get stuck, why not have a chat with another of my mentees, User:MathewTownsend. He's reviewed over 70 Good articles and may be able to offer you some pointers. Worm^TT · (talk) 16:23, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for that, i've sent him a message. Jenova20 16:35, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

So I see! Well don't be surprised if he tells you it's not ready yet :P Worm^TT · (talk) 16:38, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm expecting that response...hopefully though he'll give some good advice on what to focus on.

Thanks Dave Jenova20 16:59, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

87.84.143.100

• I thought I should let you or that you could tell someone who has the power to do something, that IP address user 87.84.143.100 is deleting info on the Izabella Scorupco page and giving no reason why and shows no signs of stopping.[1]-68.75.19.4 (talk) 16:37, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hi, I'm just a regular user but I had a look in case it was unchecked vandalism. Although it looks like this IP address has vandalised before, it belongs to a school and I believe this is a good-faith edit. The user keeps removing a single unsourced phrase which was added by another IP address in January without explanation (see here). If you know this person did learn Arabic in Sweden as well as Swedish, English and French, can you provide a source? ~ Kimelea (talk) 19:17, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Almost word for word what I would have said. Though I might have mentioned she was the first bond girl I had a crush on! Worm^TT · (talk) 08:31, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Mail

Youve got mail. Steven Zhang ^{DR goes to Wikimania!} 10:16, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

If it's the email from 15h ago, I've already acted on it :) Worm^TT · (talk) 10:17, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

USHC

Hi,

a while back we communicated about an new wikipedia page for USHC (see below) I have asked one of my students to start working on such a page you can access it at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/United_States_Housing_Corporation

Could you please let us know if this is ok and what can we do improve it / publish.

Thanks

Hi Hockney. Further to our chat on IRC, I just thought I'd leave you a quick welcome to Wikipedia - which it looks like you've missed out on! Just to let you know a little bit about me, I'm actually one of the online ambassadors at Wikipedia, so I spend quite a lot of time working with university students and helping them with Wikipedia projects. I can tell you a little more about the scheme if you are curious.

In the mean time, I'll look forward to your article on USHC. Perhaps if you start the draft in your userspace - User:Hockney/USHC would be a good place to create it. That way, you will minimal danger of it being deleted as you are working on it. I'll be around if you need any help, just leave me a message or email me. WormTT · (talk) 19:46, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Hockney (talk) 19:22, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Better Idea

Want to work on a different article instead and get away from cars. You work on things you have an interest in so i had a bit of inspiration there and found this - Hurst Street. It's one of the worst articles on Wikipedia and i visit the place at least once every 3 weeks. I could do it up, get some more information and references, even a better picture. But...i would need to rename it to Birmingham gay village, which is the more common name than Hurst Street and would give much more information on the area. What do you think? Jenova20 11:44, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, I think it's a great idea to work on, certainly something that could do with some expansion. As for the rename, does Birmingham gay village refer to that street only, or some surrounding ones? - It might be that you could create a completely new article on the area. How common is the term? I'd like to see some evidence of what the "common name" is before a move happened. Worm^TT · (talk) 11:50, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

How's the Birmingham City Site for reliable?:

"Hurst street" covers almost half of the clubs, "the village" covers all.

Thanks Jenova20 16:42, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

It would be like referring to the nearby Chinese Quarter by the street name only even though it covers more than one.

An article on the gay village would include Hurst St so a merge into one article makes more sense.

Thanks Jenova20 16:47, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

AN section on TT

Sorry. Misclicked an early enter key and didn't finish my comment. Templates in titles don't work for going directly to the section from the watchlist. That's the only reason I edited your entry. --Onorem♠Dil 13:44, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

No problems. Worm^TT · (talk) 13:45, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi Worm

Are you on line now? I'd like to discuss something with you. Also, the hardest part of the "test" is finding articles that I'm capable of cleaning up. Most require being able to add references that I can't find. Also, on the vandal patrol, I almost never revert using "vandal" unless it is very very very clear. I prefer to give a reason instead and use the "undo". So I hope the ones I selected are appropriate. MathewTownsend (talk) 16:40, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm becoming very demoralized, as I have hunted all day for an article to cleanup. All of them I've come across have hopeless problems. (Otherwise, I think I've completed everything.) Your demoralized mentee, MathewTownsend (talk) 23:31, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, I would consider making any change that is good enough to remove any cleanup tag counts... referencing is one option, but so is copy editing, wikifying, or any of the other tags found at WP:BACKLOG... Worm^TT · (talk) 12:09, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

I looked and looked and looked through WP:BACKLOG, spent hours. Couldn't even find a reference to add or an orphan to save. I think that category has been combed through already for anything salvageable. Wikifying, according to the directions is not just adding links (which the articles have anyway, but making sure it's referenced, structured correctly, etc. I'll look some more today, but I ended up thinking most articles are a hopeless mess. I couldn't find one article that I could fix one tag. And I look through hundreds. I started looking through Random articles, and just found lots that needed tagging! MathewTownsend (talk) 13:13, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

If you're having that much trouble, don't stress too much, it's not the end of the world! One of the easiest ones there is categorisation... Worm^TT · (talk) 13:17, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

I think I'm finished. (I'll be devastated if I fail! - so please give me a chance to fix any mistakes.) MathewTownsend (talk) 15:35, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Ha! no no, you don't get to fix mistakes on this one :P I'll give you the weekend to double check anything (because I'm about to head off myself) and check it over on Monday. Most people don't fail, don't worry. Worm^TT · (talk) 15:38, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

hey, Worm. Did I pass the test? Your adoptee, MathewTownsend (talk) 13:54, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

has it been a week already? Sorry! I'll mark it now. Worm^TT · (talk) 13:56, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

A user is continuing to mark major edits as minor and edit war (And smells like a sock to boot...)

Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/MjSoldierBoy

I noticed that after ADKIc3mAnX stopped editing the article this user seems to be an SPA for then they started trying to insert almost EXACTLY the same content! I can hear quacking from that account from a mile away! Barts1a / Talk to me / Help me improve 03:11, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Doesn't look like a sock to me, but does look possibly like edit warring by proxy and appears to be problematic . I really don't have time to look into it much further, due to other commitments, who do you normally go to with problems like this? Worm^TT · (talk) 12:18, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

I don't have a go to person. Since you're an admin I decided to get in contact with you. Barts1a / Talk to me / Help me improve 12:59, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

I am an admin, yes, but not all admins deal with the same stuff. For example, I do very little at UAA, I hardly even know the rules there. Worm^TT · (talk) 13:07, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Favour to ask

Hi Dave, can i ask you to do me a non controversial move with your admin powers? I'd like to have Birmingham gay village moved to Birmingham Gay Village and then deleted, leaving only Bimringham Gay Village Is that ok? Thanks Jenova20 10:14, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, let's see. There's no reason to delete it, it's not an implausible redirect and they're both redirecting to Hurst Street. I'd suggest you just go an create another redirect for the moment. I'm still unsure about the entire gay village being set in one street - have a look at Liverpool gay quarter for what I'd be looking for in the article. Oh and the source you gave me, I'd already seen, I think we need a bit more! Worm^TT · (talk) 10:24, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

The whole village isn't on Hurst Street, that's the point i'm making. The current article has only one reference and talks about the gay village more than hurst street even though only around a third of the gay village is even on Hurst Street.

The current article is a farce and needs a delete either way. Thanks Jenova20 23:58, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

I'll even chuck in WP:Coatrack for good measure. Have a nice weekend Dave Jenova20 23:58, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

In which case the best thing to do is start the Birmingham Gay Village article, point Birmingham gay village to it, and link it through from Hurst Street. The current article looks fine to me, but if you have a valid reason for deletion, you know where to go. Worm^TT · (talk) 10:46, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

I'll start working on the article. Feel free to help out or chuck in contributions and criticism.

I'll put in my userspace with the other projects still in progress.

Thanks Jenova20 11:26, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Fire me a link, and I'll look at it when I get a chance. Am rather up to my eyeballs at the moment though! Worm^TT · (talk) 11:35, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

User:Jenova20/Birmingham Gay Village Ta Jenova20 12:22, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

The help was appreciated and it's given me a good starting point.

Maybe i can finally upload a picture soon aswell since the good weather will allow me to take some good photos of the village =P Jenova20 16:21, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Cluebot III

What kind of problems exactly. I set the parameters to archive exactly like Miszabot III was to archive for you. I would like to know what the problems are because I set up Cluebot III on my page. I set it up for you without asking because I wanted to help out with archiving.—cyberpower ^Talk_Online 22:42, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

The style of archiving is different - it indexes all the pages to a cluebot subpage. That may speed up searching, but it's horribly unflexible if you want to change your archiving. I originally had my archiving by date, then decided that it wasn't appropriate as some months had lots and others little, so I decided to change it. Cluebot's inflexibility didn't let me do that, so I switched to Misza.

The thing is, you know I'm technically minded. You know I understand archiving and templates and bots. You know I've been here long enough to evaluate options and make a choice. I find it astounding that you'd go onto my page and change my archiving, without asking. Remember what we were saying about patience on your page? I don't mind if my page isn't archived. I can live with a couple of old threads for a few weeks. I could even archive them manually, but I don't want a different bot archiving my page. I'd suggest you undo BWilkin's one too - favours are great if someone asks for it or is even aware, but not so much when done behind their backs - especially if it's something they want. Worm^TT · (talk) 23:16, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

See User:ClueBot III/Detailed Indices/User talk:Worm That Turned/TheArchives2009. Think about it this way. If there was no differnce between the two, why would we have two? Worm^TT · (talk) 23:21, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Cluebot III can archive like Miszabot III. The setup in yours was set to exactly archive like Miszabot III but, OK. I respect that. I didn't think it would harm anything.—cyberpower ^Spout_Online 23:25, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Is that so? In which case, why all of a sudden have you got a set of indices. The code is different, it does things differently. I didn't get on with it - and I would rather manually archive or have a few extra threads than change. I simply don't want too many archive pages or it being indexed in that manner. Worm^TT · (talk) 10:44, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Is there anything important about that index, because Miszabot doesn't do that so I ignore those indices while I use Cluebot or is there some hidden purpose to them?—cyberpower ^Chat_{Limited Access} 12:18, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, I believe they allow cluebot to index your data so, you can search it easier. However, if you ever want to change your archives (from one format to another) they can be a right royal pain in the rear. You needn't worry about them for your code - safely ignore them, I'm just pointing out they're not exactly the same. Worm^TT · (talk) 12:25, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Well I'm not changing in the future so no issues for me. I will respect your wishes nonetheless and not change you archive setup. I've already set up Cluebot III for other people though. Now back to writing my bot.—cyberpower ^Chat_{Limited Access} 12:29, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

As long as you ask them first, it's all good. Worm^TT · (talk) 12:30, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

I have. I did it for User:Jimbo Wales, User:Androzaniamy and User:Edinburgh Wanderer so far.—cyberpower ^Chat_{Limited Access} 12:32, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

But remember to ask other users before you change their parameters - Amy seemed understandably taken-aback at the change from 60 days to 3. (And I rather thought that when she said "Can someone please put it back to how the other one ran" she may have wanted the 3-60 days-old stuff unarchived). But I'll keep off her page. PamD 14:50, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

You've Got Mail!

Suspicions, unfortunately have merit. Explained inside, -- MST☆R ^{(Chat Me!)} 23:57, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Wikibreak

I have three coursework deadlines coming up for next friday, so I cannot afford to be distracted by WP :/ . I have added wikibreak enforcer to my User:Gilderien/vector.js page. See you in a week :-) --Gilderien Talk|Contribs 18:47, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Good luck with that! Glad to know you have your priorities right! Worm^TT · (talk) 10:41, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm back. Yay.--Gilderien Talk|Contribs 21:32, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Your opinion

Thanks for adding to my potential article and that will really come in handy. Just wondering what your opinion of the recent block on User:DeFacto was from an admin POV? Thanks Jenova20 13:30, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

DeFacto wouldn't put down the stick. There was consensus at the page, yet he brought it to different forums over and over until he had to be blocked for disruption. I'd rather it didn't happen, and perhaps a topic ban would have served the purpose, but it looked like a good block to me. Worm^TT · (talk) 13:35, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Understandable...On a side-note have you seen this essay? Wikipedia:How many legs does a horse have?

Very interesting Jenova20 16:11, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Closing a Requested Move

How do i do it and merge the content of Straight pride into Gay Pride without copying and pasting? Thanks Jenova20 17:27, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Um, you don't! For one thing, you've commented on the discussion, making it inappropriate for you to close. For another, there's more people opposing the merge than supporting - again inappropriate to close as a merge! Consensus is king, remember? Worm^TT · (talk) 08:31, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Ah...I didn't know that. And the oppose votes are higher now.

OK...how do i get someone independent like the Admin to discuss the move then, like a third opinion?

Thanks Jenova20 09:12, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Would it also be canvassing to post about the Requested move on the Gay Pride and/or Homophobia articles since it concerns both? Jenova20 09:20, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Yep, it would. Uninvolved editors can already see the stuff at the requested moves page, you've already got outside opinions... you just don't like them :P Oh and it's already there on Gay Pride. Right at the top of the article. Worm^TT · (talk) 09:28, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Err... it's not. It should be. The same template that's at the top of the Straight Pride article. Worm^TT · (talk) 09:33, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Well you're right that i don't like the result. The opposing views are just voting and not following any policies, that's how i interpreted the rules on a requested move, it does state quite clearly that it's not a vote and that we have to use policy to back our opinion.

That's why i'd like someone independent of either Wikiproject to look in and say their bit.

And i'm unsure how to add that tag to Gay Pride.

Thanks Jenova20 10:04, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

It's getting a bit uncomfortable for me to even comment on there now lol.

Might try and keep my head down for a bit and lay low... Jenova20 13:17, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Personal Attacks

What if I don't like the person? How will they know that I do not like them?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justgravy (talk • contribs) 16:41, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

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There is a question at the Teahouse you might have interest in...

Dear Worm That Turned, I just asked a question at the Teahouse that you might have interest in! I hope you'll stop by and participate! Sarah (talk) 01:34, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Need your help

i need your help about this page : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Othmanebenjelloun/Ryan_Belhsen — Preceding unsigned comment added by Othmanebenjelloun (talk • contribs) 12:30, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

ANI

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Teahouse Talkback Template

Hi Worm! Thanks for answering questions at the Teahouse, as part of your role as a host, of course! I did notice that upon your response to TLBateson you didn't respond to her with a Teahouse talkback on her talk page. While we were lucky and she checked back for her response, most new editors don't know about the watchlist tool and have also proven to come back if we let them know we responded to their question. It's mentioned Host tips page I mentioned above and also on a general template collection we have that features all of our templates, thus far! I hope you find value and use in these :) Sarah (talk) 13:36, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Ah blast, I knew there was something I was forgetting. Worm^TT · (talk) 13:37, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Response to your reply to my feedback

Hello, it's MunkkyNotTrukk. Thank you very much for your answer to my feedback, and to answer your question, the page I was trying to contribute to was List of Characters in Transformers Prime. To be clear, I'm in no way claiming ownership of that article, I was simply trying to remove poor spelling and grammar, remove any unnecessary information and condense each character synopsis down into shorter, easier to read paragraphs, because I feel they're a bit too long. However, any edit I make is deleted after a few days, and the article is returned t exactly, word for word, the way it was before I edited it, so I suspect that whoever wrote the article originally IS claiming ownership. Thank you once again for your time. MunkkyNotTrukk (talk) 20:22, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Speedy Delete - not so speedy

Hello grand overseer of so much Wikipedia knowledge. Can i ask how long a speedy delete usually takes? I wasn't thinking it would be instantaneous but we're going on 2 hours now so i'm just interested on how big the wait is usually. Magic Hour (English band Cast album) Thanks Jenova20 16:15, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Do you think combining Magic Hour and The Magic Hour would be controversial? They list a few of the same things and they're both disambig pages. I'd rather ask advice before i act on this. Jenova20 16:56, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

I was WP:Bold and combined them. It seemed pointless having 2 pages listing the same thing with the addition/deduction of the word "The" in the title. Jenova20 22:49, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Mediator

We're gonna need someone to step in here. The page is changing drastically day to day and since you're my fave admin i'm giving you first refusal.[2] Thanks Jenova20 23:04, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

... to cuddle :D

Pesky (talk) 18:11, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

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RS nit

Re Amy's answer on the RS pillar -- we both know easily accessible isn't a requirement for RS; not sure if you want to mention it or not:

• reason not to: obviously wiki-policy is overwhelming so maybe it's too fine a point.
• reason to: she might make a good faith but incorrect removal of someone's reliable but not easily accessible (e.g. a book)

(You're doing a good thing here). Nobody Ent 13:36, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Good point, I had glossed over it - will make sure I mention that. I was quite impressed with her answers over all, I've had much worse ones! Oh and thanks! Worm^TT · (talk) 13:44, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Teahouse host

Hey, you joined the Teahouse! I can't believe I missed that for three days. And the really surprising thing is they asked me before they asked you! How strange, you would have been the first choice if I was choosing hosts, given how you are the best adopter here. Hope we have a good time there together. Rcsprinter (speak) 17:44, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Who said they asked you first ? I've only just had enough time for such things. Worm^TT · (talk) 08:44, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Editor moving others' comments in discussion: help

Hello Yoda. I might need some advice, as I've got into my first one-on-one argument with another user.

Over on the Muhammad images discussion (I'm sure these things are taking their cue from our teaching examples), Niteshift36 moved a comment made by HectorMoffet so that it appeared Hector was replying to me, when he wasn't. I asked him on his talk page why he did it, he moved my question to my own talk page (this section) and replied there. I don't think his statements are true, it doesn't seem right to me that comments should be prevented in 'voting' sections when we are not supposed to be voting, but I don't know the wikiquette and I can't find any policy or guideline that directly addresses it.

Meanwhile, I posted a short reply to the moved comment, so that other editors would know it had been moved. (At the moment the disagreement is right at the bottom of this section). Niteshift challenged the need for this and when I explained, he accused me of trying to blame my errors on others. (?! What errors??) I'm trying hard not to get angry about this, but I don't think Niteshift is actually reading what I'm saying at all - he's just decided that because he's right, I must be wrong. I feel that his moving a comment out of its context is confusing and damaging to healthy debate. Now somebody else has accused the pair of us of 'penis fencing'. Which is kind of amusing since I don't have a penis to fence with, but really, whatever happened to civility and working together? Is it always like this?

Taking it back to my talk page won't solve the problem of Niteshift moving the comment, since he doesn't seem to want to listen. Hector and the person he replied to probably don't even know the comment was moved. Now I feel unable to say so. Advice please. ~ Kimelea (talk) 21:21, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Cancel the call for help. :) Guy Macon dropped by my talk page and put things in perspective for me. Your comments would still be very welcome, but I'm chilled about it now. ~ Kimelea (talk) 01:08, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Yoda, hah! Unfortunately, I've been quite busy for past little while - I'm often away for weekends, and realised that Wikipedia isn't the be all and end all.. so I missed this. You were asking for controversy, well it looks like you found it. Why not swing by WP:ANI for a bit more fun. (That's not a serious suggestion by the way, WP:ANI is a place to eat popcorn and watch, try not to get involved as there is no good outcome) - I hope everything's sorted, I'll try and have a good snoop before too long. Worm^TT · (talk) 08:54, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll be careful what I wish for next time. Since my last comment, the argument re-opened on my talk page and eventually closed. Yesterday I posted a complicated RfD (which took me ages trying to figure everything out) and within minutes I was being accused of very bad faith and forum shopping. That one's still ongoing. :/ Seems every time I gingerly touch WP: pages, my hand gets bitten off. It's like a dog pit in there.

Real Life absolutely comes first though. Enjoy the sunshine. :) Can you suggest some level-headed people I could turn to informally for advice if I get in a flap when you're not available? ~ Kimelea (talk) 13:16, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, off the top of my head, Steven Zhang's offered his help, Demiurge1000 is fountain of knowledge (though less available at the moment) and most admins are very good, Swarm, 28bytes and HJ Mitchell are ones I generally see talking sense. Worm^TT · (talk) 13:50, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

• Or you could just quit moaning about it and let it go. Sheesh......Hector didn't give a damn. Guy has told you that it would probably not be productive to continue, yet here you are, still complaining about it. You asked why I did it on my talk page and I told you why on yours. It didn't require your "help" in the RFC discussion. All this back and forth is a huge waste of time, yet here you are, still running around talking about me. Put the whip away, the pony is dead.Niteshift36 (talk) 15:01, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Your former adoptee

User:MathewTownsend seems to be having a case of "I didn't hear that" (1) and deliberately misconstruing stuff (1, 2) for the Signpost writeup on Whistler's Mother, a painting which he doesn't think is iconic and has refused to budge from said position. The article has been given three citations to back up the fact (1, 2). Perhaps you could weigh in? Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:01, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

North Pier

Hi there - sorry I didn't reply to your message earlier, I have been very busy and not very active on WP of late. Congrats on the GA though, it looks like you've done a really good job with it! --BelovedFreak 10:27, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) As a redirect-inclusionist I've made one from North Pier now (it does seem to be the only usage, to my surprise). I'd have thought it necessary - I'm surprised that GA criteria don't include the existence of any necessary redirects, hatnotes, or dab page entries! PamD 10:53, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Looked at the incoming links to North Pier, I found a huge number: from a Chicago malls template, "defunct" section - so disambiguated that link to a redlink to North Pier (Chicago) - it doesn't seem worth creating a dab page or hatnote just to allow for that. Nothing is ever straightforward! PamD 11:08, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Wow! Thanks Pam! And cheers Belovedfreak, am pleased with how it turned out. Worm^TT · (talk) 08:41, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Citroën C3 Picasso

Hi WormTT. Can you help me with this template? I can't get it right and it's annoying me. I've finally finished it but can't get the reference in without the table refusing to show up properly, and so i'm left with a reference name and no reference... Thanks Jenova20 13:08, 26 March 2012 (UTC) Thanks Jenova20 13:11, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

This was sorted so don't worry about it. Thanks Jenova20 08:37, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, haven't been looking after my talk page for the past few days. Glad it's sorted. Worm^TT · (talk) 08:39, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry about it, i was just anxious not to leave it unfinished. And you don't need to brag that you have a life! =P Jenova20 08:43, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Have you not SEEN the weather? My goodness, summer's here! It'll be winter again by the end of the week... enjoy it while it lasts. Worm^TT · (talk) 08:46, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I did notice it actually but i have a cold! =[

I'm the only one still wearing a scarf lol Jenova20 09:30, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

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MSU/US Education Program: Wiki-Project Management Interview

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You can reply to me via email - as my email address is listed in a Wikipedia email form to you - to confirm the interview. My questions should take no longer than 30 minutes to answer. Thank you again, and I look forward to working with you. Tarucstephen (talk) 15:04, 27 March 2012 (UTC)