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::And I certainly second those words from Yunshui. In my experience you are one of the most helpful and sensible Admins here. I do hope the situation can be resolved somehow. Regards. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 11:15, 22 October 2012 (UTC) |
::And I certainly second those words from Yunshui. In my experience you are one of the most helpful and sensible Admins here. I do hope the situation can be resolved somehow. Regards. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 11:15, 22 October 2012 (UTC) |
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:::Thanks, that's very kind of you. -- [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|Boing! said Zebedee]] ([[User talk:Boing! said Zebedee|talk]]) 12:25, 22 October 2012 (UTC) |
:::Thanks, that's very kind of you. -- [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|Boing! said Zebedee]] ([[User talk:Boing! said Zebedee|talk]]) 12:25, 22 October 2012 (UTC) |
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== Observation == |
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While no sane person could blame you for wanting out of this asylum, we really need you. There will never be a shortage of admins willing to bait users and then make punative, policy-violating blocks. There will however be a paucity of admins with the integrity to reverse them. [[User:Joefromrandb|Joefromrandb]] ([[User talk:Joefromrandb|talk]]) 17:22, 22 October 2012 (UTC) |
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Oct 2012
Hi Boing. :) Believe it or not, I am not writing about the Hu12 incident. Haha. I am actually writing because of new, repeated uncivil comments from User:Tribal44 again. She is the one that reported me a few days ago at ANI and accused me of being threatening and rude, etc. And then you blocked me. :P
Anyway, one thing I never mentioned in that ANI is that Tribal44 repeatedly was calling me a troll in her edit comments after she would revert edits I made. I refrained from ever making those types of comments; I simply told her that I would report her to an admin if she continued making inappropriate edits (poorly sourced, etc), which then resulted in me being called threatening. In her various edits, she said, “You have no proof so knock it the hell off, troll”,[1] “Knock it off and stop trolling",[2] and “Please stop trolling”.[3] These were all about my edits of inappropriate vocal range content.
That was then. But I never said anything about her uncivil name-calling in the ANI. Well, last night, I made an edit in Lea Michele, one of the singer articles I follow. A few minutes later, Tribal44 left a comment on my talk page and told me to stop stalking her.[4] I just removed her comment with the edit comment, “I follow articles, not users. "Stalking" is uncivil, therefore please do not post on my talk page again.”[5] I then posted the same comment on her talk page (since I wasn't sure if she would see it in on my edit history page).[6] She removed it and called me a jerk: "“Then don't post on my talk page or revert every edit I make then. Jerk.”[7]
Whenever I make edits in these singer articles, I put detailed edit comments to explain them and don't include anything uncivil or name-calling. I just comment about why I'm making the edit. But Tribal44 has repeatedly called me a troll, stalker, jerk and other names. Based on the WikiProject Musicians discussion going on, plus the years of reverts of her content by other editors, she must know or needs to know that this isn't just one or two editors objecting to content she is adding.
Also, if you look at Tribal44's edit history, you'll see these types of angry comments from her are not just towards me; she has made them to many other editors who have changed or removed her content. It goes back for years. You can see all the comments that include terms like "knock it off", "troll", "rude much?", "Stop deleting pictures!!!!!!", "good lord!", "ugh", "leave it alone!", "WTF" and even "Stop adding freakin' Miley Cyrus!". :p Her other big editing passion, besides adding vocal range/type to all singer articles, is to change photos in articles, which causes a lot of contention among other editors, thus triggering her angry edit comments and talk page comments towards them. She also will add content and actually admit in her edit comments that she doesn't know if it's appropriate to add, even if it's very poorly sourced.
So, can you please help do something about this ongoing incivility? And to get her to understand that when others make edits or reverts to content she's added, especially when it's done in good faith and for valid reasons, she can't get angry and lash out at other editors and call them names. Thanks, Boing! Sorry to bother you with this. :) --76.189.121.57 (talk) 20:32, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
- By the way, I think this comment on Tribal44's user page sums up the problem: "FYI: I do not like it when random users delete referened vocal types and pictures off of the pages of singers. It is extremely annoying and rude. I will revert it back if need be. Also, I don't like to be constantly "watched" and being attacked for no apparent reason. If you don't like what I edit, then don't go on the page." So basically she's saying, "do not change my content." She considers changing or removal of her content to be "attacks." And it appears that when she uses the term "random users," she is talking about IPs. --76.189.121.57 (talk) 21:51, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
Since this thread is about me, I have a right to intervene here. That IP is actually keeping tabs on all my edits and just basically harassing and bullying me. Each edit I make, he/she ALWAYS interferes and revert, even if its a small edit. And I am getting really sick and tired of his/her behavior towards me. I do not know what he/she has over me and why they are picking on me out of the blue, but this is a personal attack against me by all means. I wouldn't be surprised if he/she added my user and talk page on their "watchlist" or "favorites". If wikipedia has a block option, he/she will be the first to be on the list. And since the IP user was so butthurt over my comments about them, which there were true, I am going to tell you yet again, 76.189.121.57, please leave me alone. Tribal44 (talk) 23:48, 10 October 2012 (UTC)Tribal44
- Based on the above comment by Tribal44, in which she called me a "nazi",[8] which is far beyond the bounds of civility, I am respectfully requesting an immediate block of her editing privileges. Her highly insulting comment is in additon to all the previous derogatory terms she has called me (jerk, troll, stalker, etc.), as I indicated above.
- Tribal44 has made very serious allegations against me of "harassing and bullying" and "personal attacks" but has provided absolutely no proof to back it up. I have never done any of those things and therefore insist that she either provide proof (by diffs) or acknowledge that the claims are false. An apology would be even better.
- I explained above that I do not follow editors; I follow articles. Whenever I make changes or reverts in an article, it never has anything to do with the editor; it's always about the content. My edits are done in good faith, with clear edit comments whenever needed. Since the ANI a few days ago, I have edited just two articles that Tribal44 has edited, Mary J. Blige and Lea Michele. I provided clear edit comments for both of them.[9][10] With the Blige article, "Blige is a mezzo-soprano" was inserted into the article (in the lead) of this R&B singer, and was unsourced. In the Lea Michele article, "Michele has the vocal range of a soprano" was inserted (as the first sentence) into the totally inapplicable "Stage roles" section of an article about a TV and Broadway actress, and the content was not even supported by the source. Following the Lea Michele edit, as explained above, Tribal44 came to my talk page, called me a stalker, then called me a jerk.
- Tribal44's inappropriate behavior is a pattern, not an isolated incident. She has repeatedly made personal insults and false allegations of serious misconduct against me (bullying, threatening, harassing, trolling, stalking, and personal attacks). This type of behavior should never be tolerated on Wikipedia. When I started this thread, it was not my intention for Tribal44 to be blocked; I simply wanted an administrator to counsel her, with a warning at most, about the behavior and editing issues. But after reading her post above, I feel that a block is clearly warranted. --76.189.121.57 (talk) 04:10, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
- You want me blocked so I can't edit? Is that what you wanted all this time? I think you've had it in for me for a while and decided to come out of the blue. It seems that I'm an apparent threat to you. And you are making stuff up. I did NOT say that Mary J. Blige was a mezzo-soprano. It was done by another editor. Are you going to harass and bully them too? You'll say and do anything for me to go away huh? Seriously, what do you really want from me? WHY DO YOU HATE IT WHEN I EDIT JUST ANYTHING?! I mean really. Please go away and harass someone else. Leave me BE.
Tribal44 (talk) 04:28, 11 October 2012 (UTC)Tribal44
- @Tribal44, I'm sorry, but I feel that your behavior clearly warrants a block. But as I said, that's not what I was looking for initially, as my original comment shows. But you can't go around calling people Nazis and other terrbile names, and making outrageous allegations with no proof. And I never claimed that you added the Blige content; what I said was that "I have edited just two articles that Tribal44 has edited" to counter your false implication that I follow you everywhere you go. Whether you are the original editor who added that content is irrelevant; as I explained, my editing is about the content, not the editors who add the content. I strongly suggest that you stop posting these very uncivil comments and let Boing address the situation and decide the best way to handle it. The sad part of this situation is that, initially, I loved your passion for the types of edits you are interested in (vocal range and photos), but you must understand that Wikipedia is a collaborative effort and has guidelines (rules) for behavior and editing. If what you're doing violates those guidelines, they need to be addressed. And if you "cross the line", there are likely to be consequences. I feel that you have definitely crossed the line. Thank you. --76.189.121.57 (talk) 04:51, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
- Then why are you going after me? And I do agree with about letting Boing address all of this. And, Boing, I do apologize. Didn't mean to "spam" your talkpage.
Tribal44 (talk) 05:02, 11 October 2012 (UTC)Tribal44
- Folks, it's early where I am and I don't have time to look at the specifics right now, but I will have a look later today. In the meantime, can I ask the two of you to stop the back-and-forth argument here, and to stay away from each other until I have a chance to review this? -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 05:12, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry, I really haven't had time to look at this today - please be patient and I'll try to help as soon as I can. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 16:03, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for the update. --76.189.121.57 (talk) 16:34, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
- Firstly, sorry for not getting back to you. I've had lots on my mind and I simply forgot about this - it's embarrassing and I apologise, but that's the simple truth. Secondly, as per the notice at the top of this page, I will not be contributing further to Wikipedia at least until the ArbCom elections are over - and whether I return then depends on the outcome. If you still need any help with this, I would suggest WP:ANI. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:37, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
Good move. I did basically the same thing, for most of the same reasons, a while ago. I make a remark now and then but have essentially stopped contributing content. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 03:27, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks - I appreciate your thoughts. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:00, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
Lists of names
Is a list such as List of Surnames of Gomantak Maratha and Naik Maratha really encyclopedic? It does have one source, sort of, but I dread to think how big such things could become. We can never ensure completeness, nor accuracy, nor exclusivity. What purpose do they serve? Are they not a form covered by the spirit of WP:NOTDIR? - Sitush (talk) 17:49, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry, I've been meaning to get back to you on this, but you know how things have developed. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:40, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
Since you handled the earlier block of User:Farwah khan in reference to disruptive editing on Nadia Khan Show, could you take a look at User: Wahaj khan? He's continuously reintroducing BLP violating material on Nadia Khan. It's not negative info, but it is sourced to blogs, forums, and the like. I think that this edit summary well summarizes his opinion about how to contribute to Wikipedia and this subject, and implies that things aren't going to get better. I've left a number of explanatory comments on User Talk:Wahaj khan, but to no avail. Qwyrxian (talk) 00:45, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry, I've been meaning to get back to you on this. But, as per the notice at the top of this page, I will not be contributing further to Wikipedia at least until the ArbCom elections are over - and whether I return then depends on the outcome. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:41, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
- Sigh...I'd say more, but I don't know what else to say. I wake up and finish my watchlist and find that some of the most important people on Wikipedia are going missing.... Qwyrxian (talk) 00:30, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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The Special Barnstar |
For being one of Wikipedia's most trusted administrators and editors. I find it greatly saddening that you seem to have decided to leave. Thanks for your contributions and I hope you reconsider your departure from Wikipedia. Good luck and all the best in your future endeavours, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 01:35, 22 October 2012 (UTC) |
- Hey Boing, another who would be missed, if ever you visit the subcontinent, the beers are on me! I say that as I don't expect a sensible resolution of issues out here and therefore do not expect to see you back or stick around myself, therefore, the likelihood of you visiting India seems more possible! —SpacemanSpiff 03:30, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks, both of you. A beer in India sounds good - I did a trip across North India in the 90s and always wanted to go back, so maybe I will make it there again some time :-) In the meantime, I'll wait and see what comes of the ArbCom election. Depending on the makeup of the new committee, I expect I'll consider a few options - to come back as before, to resign the admin bit and come back as an editor, or to stay away for good. We shall see. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 08:37, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
On the recent wheel warring
Hey Boing! (or whatever I should call you)
First, sorry if this seems silly considering your declaration you are leaving, but I've written something on the Clarification request the calls you out by name, so it is only fair that I notify you. Second please reconsider. I've very left in frustration before, and it was never the same afterwards. These were people who I worked with and some who had even become good friends. Not to put too fine a point on it, I felt betrayed, which feels both ridiculous to me now, and as raw and hurtful as it did that night. I'm around to talk, if you want, and understand if you don't.--Tznkai (talk) 04:34, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
- Hi. Thanks for letting me know - but I won't be taking any further part in that discussion. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 08:17, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
this it *not* the time for cowboy admins to be - clearly no need for civility there - and you didn't even have to say "fuck" William M. Connolley (talk) 12:10, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you for your comment. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:29, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
- Oh come on, you're better than that William M. Connolley (talk) 13:32, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
- I was just being civil -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:18, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
- Oh come on, you're better than that William M. Connolley (talk) 13:32, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
Oppose
Thank you for your look at this with an open mind and voicing oppose to the main stream, see also, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:00, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks - I appreciate your thoughts. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 08:32, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
- Hey Boing! Don't bail on us, the Empire may have struck back at Malleus and a few other good folks, but the Jedi will prevail in the end. We pirates and rebels need ya, matey! Montanabw(talk) 09:12, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
- Hehe, thanks - we'll see how things with ArbCom go -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:16, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
- Hey Boing! Don't bail on us, the Empire may have struck back at Malleus and a few other good folks, but the Jedi will prevail in the end. We pirates and rebels need ya, matey! Montanabw(talk) 09:12, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
Sadness
Without commenting one way or the other on Malleusgate, I'd just like to express my sorrow at your decision to withdraw from contributing - I fully respect your choice, but losing an administrator of your calibre is a blow. You will be sorely missed. Yunshui 雲水 10:12, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for your kind words - I will reconsider my position after the ArbCom elections. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:59, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
- And I certainly second those words from Yunshui. In my experience you are one of the most helpful and sensible Admins here. I do hope the situation can be resolved somehow. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:15, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks, that's very kind of you. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:25, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
- And I certainly second those words from Yunshui. In my experience you are one of the most helpful and sensible Admins here. I do hope the situation can be resolved somehow. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:15, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
Observation
While no sane person could blame you for wanting out of this asylum, we really need you. There will never be a shortage of admins willing to bait users and then make punative, policy-violating blocks. There will however be a paucity of admins with the integrity to reverse them. Joefromrandb (talk) 17:22, 22 October 2012 (UTC)