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Nomination of Jill Kenton for deletion

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Bluford Series Deletion

I appreciate hearing criteria for impartiality, but there is a gray area here. These words HAVE been said by "objective" parties such as the ALA (American Library Association) and the Journal for Adolescent and Adult Literacy (JAAL), and the books have sold over 9 million copies, so there is something to the idea that they are popular! Links to these authorities were in the deleted page. I can edit to address your concerns, but what was on that page is what others--not me--have been saying.

Also, the content of those pages took a while to compile and does not exist anywhere else except on Wikipedia. While I certainly can edit to add reference and more objective or third party language, I would like to get back the content as a baseline from which to start editing. Is that possible?

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Re: blocking of user VHlab

Hello Orangemike, I was disappointed today to learn that you blocked my username VHlab. I understand you believe there is an apparent COI, despite the fact that we are a non-profit, open access group sharing many of the values of Wikipedia (dissemination freely of knowledge and education). How can I access the code/markup of the sandbox of the user VHlab? Would it be possible to have it sent to me somehow? I can no longer access the revision history of the sandbox. Thank you, Ryan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.101.136.10 (talk) 19:17, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

• I can't speak for Mike, but it seems that this is a pretty clear-cut case. First of all, your account was blocked because it violated our username policy: Wikipedia:Username policy. Second, the page you created, The Atlas of Human Cardiac Anatomy, was both promotional and contained a huge amount of copyrighted material which could, in addition, only be described as promotional (and could, conversely, in no way be described as neutral). Third, one wonders what content you wish to access, since most of it was copied from pages such as this one and this one. If it's the coding you wish to preserve, that's unfortunate, but the page as you had created it was in no way acceptable for Wikipedia anyway. I hope this answers your questions. You are welcome to contribute under a new username, as long as you make sure that your edits are neutral and follow our guidelines. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 20:06, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

As Drmies says, just because you are a non-profit does not exempt you from following our rules about corporate role accounts, etc. Wikipedia is not here to promote your cause, however noble you perceive it to be. Our strictures on self-promotion make no exception for non-profits. --Orange Mike | Talk 22:25, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

I understand, but would like to access the coding anyway. Is there a way to do this? BTW Drmies, you're extremely rude- would you address me this way if we were talking in person? Simply no need for it. I understand now from Orangemike that I was in violation of the terms and appreciate his respectful and educating responses. I didn't read the hundreds of pages of documentation before creating my first page. I'm sure it's frustrating to you and the community that people do exactly what I did. It is funny though because so many of the corporate/political/individual pages are created by employees obviously...

I apologize, but give me a break Drmies. I was actually pretty pumped about being able to contribute to the community since an expert in varied fields, but this is a quite souring experience. Drmies- what was not neutral about the article that I wrote? It simply explained the utility, process, and content of the website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.101.136.10 (talk) 20:31, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Non-neutral content that doomed the piece included the repeated "generous"-"generous"-"generosity" shout-outs to donors; the repeated use of the ® symbol (forbidden here); and self-lauding phrases like "a wealth of information". That's one reason, frankly, I'm reluctant to send you the prior version, since it strikes me as a poor role model. (That, and the use of copyrighted material.)

"so many of the corporate/political/individual pages are created by employees obviously"? Alas, you are right. That, in fact, is why we are so harsh and precipitate when we spot such conflicts-of-interest.

Believe me: we really are eager to get the help of subject-matter experts here, and I hope your little brush with the buzz saw does not keep you from helping in ways that don't impinge on our COI and copyright policies. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:48, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Orangemike, thank you again for the kind response. If there were a way to get access to the code I would greatly appreciate it. I will not be re-posting this article myself, as I'm sure it would be a waste of time. I would like the code for future reference on formatting. Regarding the copyrighted material I was in the process of filing the documentation needed for free use per CC-BY-SA 3.0 after the page was deleted (When I uploaded the files I listed that I am the copyright owner and didn't realize that this was not sufficient since it is in an option when you upload. I'm still confused by this to be honest.). I was wondering, is there an acceptable way to have a page made by someone neutral- e.g., could I ask a student who is not involved with the project to create the page? This may be getting into technicalities, but hardly think calling organ donors generous is being non-neutral-- I do agree that there is self-lauding that should not have been included and the user can draw their own opinion as to the value of the content. Thank you again for the educating posts! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.101.136.10 (talk) 16:14, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Orangemike, should I take your non-response as a 'no' to be able to get the text/markup from the page/sandbox that was deleted? Thanks again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.101.136.10 (talk) 15:31, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Years

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You made it!

You made my funny stuff page. --I dream of horses If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. @ 17:40, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)Yes that is an OM classic - made me laugh too.--ukexpat (talk) 17:59, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

How to look for the history of edits of deleted articles.

a) What places are there to check for the history of edits to a deleted article?...

b) For example, ? Where can be found the history of the edits to the deleted article Recovery Is Possible Recovery Is Possible

> Only those with Admins rights are able to access deleted pages. You can email an admin, and request for them to retrieve the information for you. There is no way a non-admin can access these pages. : (talk) 14:05, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Please retrieve deleted Recovery Is Possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Don warner saklad (talk • contribs) Thank you !

Please retrieve the revisions "history" of deleted http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recovery_Is_Possible

Bill Luckett

I'd be more inclined to restore the pre-gutted version. Carrite (talk) 02:11, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

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BLP Help!

Hey there! You look like just the guy I was looking for! S0 I am new and my first post has recieved some BLP criticism. I believed I made it about as nuetral, fact based and relevant as possible but still recieved a tag today. Any advice is greatly appreciated! I just want to make sure that unbiased, factual pictures are painted of the topics I wish to help build. Topic concerning John Dewey Academy. Troutbum898 (talk) 01:27, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Hey again. I must say I had asked many others to read and review my post. They had all given a thumbs up and much pain has once again been felt by many at the deletion of it once again. We had some victims all rejoicing last night at the many nods of approval we had received. It is the small victories we take pride in as fighting against victim-blaming (especially amongst minors) and rape/abuse cover up (especially in schools/churches). This is an uphill battle to say the least. We need to come to an agreement on this topic. 1.) How the model of therapy used at a therapeutic school is wrong to even delineate I have a hard time understanding. I said nothing positive or negative about it and cited the published books written by the faculty of JDA promoting these methods. Some people promote Attack/Confrontation Therapy (though never has a single study been done to say it works though many have proven its damaging impact on peoples lives, I could also lead you to sources from the APA citing these facts) some people do not promote or accept it and in the industry it remains very. very controversial. This is why I think it is important for it to be delineated and part of the picture regarding an unbiased encyclopedic portrait of JDA. Either way, I left it up to the reader to decide. Each book I cited even refers to case examples in JDA. This to me seems like an exceptional source. I even had the link open up to the pages that directly reference Attack/Confrontation Therapy. 2.) How rape and abuse at a school for vulnerable teens perpetrated by faculty in an incredible power position can not be included in the full, unbiased story is also hard for me to understand. I only stated that it had happened and even gave the Perp his own voice in defending himself. 100% neutral. Again, I gave a link to an article that refers to the crimes committed. I only stated that these horrific crimes had happened, quoted the Perp in defending himself, gave factual links so readers could investigate on their own and come to their own opinion as to whether it is good, bad or however they choose to interpret the crimes. So where do we go from here? I think a conversation regarding this topic is incredibly important and for every victim past present and future a answer regarding rape/abuse cover-up should be delineated. Troutbum898 (talk) 15:00, 22 March 2013 (UTC)— Troutbum898 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

We need information from reliable sources, not blogs and attack websites. Where is the press coverage?

This should be discussed on the article's talk page. Did you not notice that I raised these issues on the article, to be discussed at talk?

Please read this guideline and this essay. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:02, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

You seem to be confused. I only cited a newspaper and two published books never a blog or attack website. Are you confusing this with another case? We have moved the convo also to the Teahouse and seem to have an agreement between many people except you. I hope we can all agree one day! Troutbum898 (talk) 20:38, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

You need coffee (or sleep)

on the (non)-block of User:Melicband. -- Alexf^(talk) 13:03, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Sleep? My wife just broke her leg; I'm not getting a lot of sleep. (Probably should have had another Mountain Dew, though.) --Orange Mike | Talk 15:02, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Why did you delete the crest (rap group) page, can it be restored?

Sorry to ask as it's going back more than a few years, I'm hoping you remember why you deleted the entire page though as now I can't find anything on the group here and information is scarce elsewhere. Can the page please be restored as I'd love to actually know how many albums they've released (if it's mentioned?) and I'd also love an explanation as to why you deleted the page in the first place. Thanks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Crest_%28rap_group%29 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.107.170.244 (talk) 14:18, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

It was an article about a band with no credible assertion of notability, consisting of a list of their self-published albums copied off their MySpace page. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:55, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Question about reverting

I would like to revert this users edit see this diff back to the user User:VIAFBot but the user that made the vandalism edit was an IP address as shown in the history logs, the thing is that also since that edit the User:Addbot did the migration removal of the Wikidata Projects interwikilinks for that page witch is a legitimate edit. So I can't revert it as under vandalism. How should I go about reverting it to before the Vandalism but without wiping the history of the Addbot edit? I know this is confusing but if you need some help in maybe explaining things better let me know. And I will try to explain better. --Clarkcj12 (talk) 04:04, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

You can't do a simple revert. What you'll have to do is restore the lost content by re-editing the current version to the clean version. Then, do an edit summary saying something like, "restoring content removed by IP vandal on date X". --Orange Mike | Talk 12:35, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Karl Marx

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Discussion Spam

Can you look at this [[1]] and give a comment? Hell In A Bucket (talk) 08:37, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Ponka-We Victors

Many thanks for your comment. The Kansas State Library has a database of the Kansas Legislators Past and Present-you might want to check that out. On a personal note-how is your wife doing? You mention she broke her leg. Please tell her to get well along with my greetings.RFD (talk) 15:20, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

She slipped and fell on the ice at UW-M, where she works. She'll be out of work for 6-8 weeks minimum (fractured tibia up by the knee). Even Scott Walker can't keep her from getting worker's comp on this one (she works for Parking & Transit, ironically enough). --Orange Mike | Talk 16:32, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Oversight Needed?

Greetings.

Would you say that this diff is worth oversighting? I'm asking you because you were the one that blocked user:Zantessadvancetelecommunications for some kind of attack campaign or something. MIVP - (Can I Help?) (Maybe a bit of tea for thought?) 23:33, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Yep, it's a hater/crusader account. I'd say the edit deserves oversighting; but I can't do anything today (complications as mentioned in item one header above this one). --Orange Mike | Talk 14:56, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Wholeheartedly agree; I've revdel'd the edit and contacted oversight to request full supression. Yunshui 雲‍水 15:06, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Bill Biggart

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Templating without blocking

Hi! You put a block notice on User:Britto Group's talk page, but forgot to block them: I've blocked them now. Just thought you might want to know. -- The Anome (talk) 15:22, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Block of Ctb500

I mentioned you in an SPI case which discusses User:Ctb500 and your action to block him. Feel free to comment at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Goldenbearpress. Thank you. Binksternet (talk) 02:00, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Tennessee - Milwaukee

You moved away from "Southern Politics" to the land of McCarthyism!!! Brilliant! lolololo!!!2001:558:6007:27:7992:7DA3:D702:EE6A (talk) 22:23, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Milwaukee is also the home of the Sewer Socialists, including my dear brother in Christ the late Frank Zeidler; and Wisconsin was also the home of Wisconsin Progressive Party. --Orange Mike | Talk 23:42, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Someone rapidly deleting my creation

Medu321 (talk) 22:47, 26 March 2013 (UTC)) I (medu321)have some problem, someone again and agin deleting and changin my articles. I ahve a graphically created image, indicating all my problems those I am facing for 2 month. please, let me email ID at [redacted]

Please, I need administrative assistance (moved from the User page)

This is an Open Challenge regarding the Wikipedia article reference as entitled: Aminul Haque Wasel Maizbhanderi which we have written but someone send an objection to the authority of the Wikipedia; not to accept any article named: Aminul Haque Wasel Maizbhanderi. Moreover, they are rapidly changing the list of Khalifa’s of the Universal Sufi Saint Ahmed Ullah Maizbhanderi. Their act of changing without submitting any reference is totally contrary to the Wikipedia terms and conditions. Note: Delowar Hossain Maizbhandari was an evidently initiated Sufi Disciple and mostly younger nephew of Aminul Haque Wasel Maizbhanderi. This is a published documentation as we remarked indicating the historically famous published Sufi Book, 'Alakar Renesar Joogeer Akti dik' which was written by Delwar Hossain Maizbhanderi himself. Moreover, within a day or two, we shall upload the book cover and original page by scanning which was published under the superintendence of the author’s sons as well as the authority of Maizbhander Dorbar Sharif More than 25 years before. If there any one belonging even a single contrary document, please, let you write, denote or come in a web conference at any time from all around the world (Contact through: wwww.rahebhander.org). Please, don't repeat changing without submitting any document/ reference. Please, I need administrative assistance of the Wikipedia at [redacted]. I have a graphically created image, indicating all my problems. so, please, provide me email ID.

I have moved this comment from the user page to the talk page (and redacted personal content info) -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 23:02, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Medu, you appear to be attempting to publicize this upcoming book; what else precisely you are trying to do I am unable to comprehend due to your confusing and promotional language. I will point out, however, that the subject of an article is not regarded as a reliable source of information about himself.

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White noise online is real!

Not to be rude but there is a game called white noise a tale of horror, you can find this game on the xbox360 in the indie game channel with a price of only 80 microsoft points which is equivalent to $1.00 it's still a work in progress and I kindly ask you to not use prejudgment before you place a deletion template on it. If you do not know what the game is then research it then--Indienews (talk) 15:22, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Despite having a high blood pressure, i am trying my best to make it a okay article but i still can't find a refrence for the page so that's why i am still having trouble with it along with some citations that need to be addressed.--Indienews (talk) 15:57, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

If there are no references to it in reliable sources, then that's a pretty strong indicator that it is not notable, and there should not be an encyclopedia article about it. Many things are real but not notable. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:26, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

I am sorry about my outburst i attend to be overprotective on a certain topic, your right it was not prejudgement or assertion it was because it lacked noteability...thats something i really lack in and sorry to intrude on your work its a big website that i am still learning.--Indienews (talk) 17:53, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Apology fully accepted; no ill will attaches! You can't be "insubordinate" because you're not my subordinate; we're both just editors - I just happen to be a guy who's been entrusted with the Mop-and-Bucket of adminship.

Face it: a lot of indie games are like self-published books: not notable and not likely ever to be notable. That doesn't make them bad or worthless; nothing wrong with exploring that end of your chosen pursuit. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:04, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

i feel discouraged i thought i was doing the right thing for this game but instead i feel like i violated the law, one of the users replied to me about the failed article that i made but i want to help and educate gamers instead i get this guy who seriously doubts me about my editing. i felt like cussing him out for saying that to me but i will get in trouble for that so i guess i got to be a pin-cushion for him--Indienews (talk) 22:46, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

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You've been conscripted!

Hey Mike--

Toby Higbie of the UCLA History Dept. is going to have a course in the coming term (begins Tuesday) in which he's going to assign each person in his 100 student class to write or improve a Wikipedia article on the biography of a labor or political leader, union, or other political institution. I've told him I'd try to round up four or five sympathetic Wikipedians to be available to answer any questions the students during the term. The assignment is due May 30 and college students being college students, it can reasonably be expected that the bulk of the queries will happen in the week or two prior to that date. May I list your WP talk page as a contact address for them? Please do let me know. Best, —Tim /// MutantPop@aol.com /// Carrite (talk) 23:26, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

You bet! --Orange Mike | Talk 21:09, 1 April 2013 (UTC) (B.A. History 2004 magna cum laude at UW-Milwaukee)

Care to take on a project?

I just found Joel Goffin which was written in part by the subject and by a number of other editors who appear to be related to the subject. The subject appears to be notable, but the article is promotional. I'd work on fixing it up, but I already have too many wiki-projects pulling me away from my schoolwork. I was thinking of an editor who might be able to make the article neutral and you were the first to come to mind. Ryan Vesey 23:37, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Mishapocalypse

I disagree with your use of R3 for my redirect. At the very least it should get an RfD. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:51, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

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Sscwmhist

Just asking that you watch User talk:Sscwmhist; this appears to be a potentially valuable contributor(s), so I've left a request asking her/them to request an unblock immediately if it's just one person instead of a role account. Nyttend (talk) 14:41, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Mike Kernell

Thank you for fixing the "Democrat incumbent" that I missed. I am not particularly fond of that particular phrasing either. As for your question in the edit summary, the only reason there is an article on him at all is because of his son's activities right before the 2008 elections; the article was created the day before David Kernell was arrested (after the FBI interrogated him). Notice the redlink on the incumbent who beat him in 2012? I suspect that most of the TN assembly members and senators are in the same state. Unless someone goes through and systematically adds at least stub bios for everyone who has served in the state legislature, most of those people won't get articles unless they get elected to the US Congress or the state governorship. (Some states are better covered; I am pretty sure that there are several states which are complete or nearly complete for legislators elected in the past 20 years or so, but I'm not sure beyond that.) I really think Kernell's BLP (in its current tragic state) is a coatrack, but there's no way it would ever get deleted at an AFD, and partisans on both sides would be screaming about "Wikipedia whitewashing" or something similar. (rolls eyes) Horologium (talk) 20:03, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm working on the Wisconsin legislature back to territorial days; I've decided to start with the minority parties first: done all the Socialists, Greenbacks, Union Labor; working on the Free Soilers, then the Populists, probably Whigs after that. I have done a few Tennessee legislators, including Republican Ray Bodiford, who beat me in 1974 (I was 20, unemployed and on food stamps; he was an incumbent and had Henry Loeb doing fundraising for him). --Orange Mike | Talk 20:08, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Adam Neylon

Hi-I started an article about Adam Neylon-he was elected to the Wisconsin Assembly in yesterday's election. You may want to look at it-Thank you-RFD (talk) 15:20, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Thompson

Orangemike, I rearranged the sections in the Tommy Thompson article, moving things from the Criticism area to their chronological occurence. Take a look when you have a sec. It was kind of a large change. Thanks, your insight would be appreciated. Capitalismojo (talk) 19:06, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Block RubiconMinerals

Hello Mike, my name is Alan Walker and I am a member of Wikimedia Canada. This evening we were contacted by the owner of the account RubiconMinerals that you had blocked. The woman is new to Wikipedia and was attempting to update/correct some factual errors on the article for the company. I realize this may be a conflict of interest, but it appears that her account was blocked without any talk page discussion. Can you expand on your reasons for blocking her account? I can't see any evidence that she had actually done anything malicious on Wikipedia. Alan.ca (talk) 00:01, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

User:RubiconMinerals was a violation of our username policies, as a role account, and was blocked on that basis. Additionally, her very first edit dropped this kind of promotional language into the article: " focused on the responsible and environmentally sustainable development of its Phoenix Gold Project... Rubicon is well-funded and its flagship Phoenix Gold Project is fully permitted for production.... controls over 100 square miles 65,000 acres (26,000 ha) of prime exploration ground in the prolific Red Lake gold district" That's spamming. --Orange Mike | Talk 03:03, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

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Komsky afd process

Just do me a favor and watch this: (this was recorded from NBC and uploaded) I know that you're right, that its not applicable based on wiki rules, but please watch it. Just tell me that you can see its a live broadcast with no commercials. I know I represent this person, but this truly happened and I'm not exaggerating anything:

https://vimeo.com/56063290 Ngoesseringer (talk) 04:57, 4 April 2013 (UTC)