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Of course there's no "smoking gun" in the sense that there was a smoking gun in the 1998 embassy bombing because of bin Laden's use of a sattelite phone. But only the conspiracy fringe disputes his guilt. [[User:CJK|CJK]] ([[User talk:CJK|talk]]) 03:13, 1 April 2013 (UTC) |
Of course there's no "smoking gun" in the sense that there was a smoking gun in the 1998 embassy bombing because of bin Laden's use of a sattelite phone. But only the conspiracy fringe disputes his guilt. [[User:CJK|CJK]] ([[User talk:CJK|talk]]) 03:13, 1 April 2013 (UTC) |
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See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Location_of_Osama_bin_Laden#What_should_be_the_name_of_this_article.3F [[User:Chutznik|Chutznik]] ([[User talk:Chutznik|talk]]) 00:14, 22 April 2013 (UTC) |
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The last sentence in the second paragraph is ungrammatical: "Established a new base in Afghanistan, he declared a war against the United States, initiating a series of bombings and related attacks."
It should be rephrased to something like "He established a new base in Afghanistan and declared a war against the United States, initiating a series of bombings and related attacks."
71.233.8.228 (talk) 02:05, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
- Fixed--L1A1 FAL (talk) 02:49, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
FALLACIOUS ASSERTION (graf 2)
While Osama's father was unquestionably wealthy and eventually accrued more than $1 billion, the wiki entry on 1957 billionaires says J. Paul Getty alone held that title in the year of Osama's birth, with one Arab sheik as a second possible contender. Which means while Osama was undoubtedly born into wealth, he could NOT have been born unto a billionaire family as currently stated. (Same sentence's construction is awkward and quaint anyway, so change should do much good.) 76.102.197.4 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:59, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
— አቤል ዳዊት?(Janweh64) (talk) 15:52, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
bin laden did not die on may 2nd 2011 that was a lie they used him as a poster boy i heard he died 12 years ago, please i would put died unknown cause he did not die at that time if you look on the web hard enough you find the info about it --Historyman3 (talk) 04:06, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
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In paragraph 2, US to U.S. for consistency with other references in the article.
In paragraph 4, fewer ruffled feathers [see preceding commenter] and greater objective accuracy would follow if the second sentence's action changed from he was killed to he was reported killed. The former (thus far, anyway) lacks any published corroborating evidence beyond verbal reports from government officials or self-proclaimed witnesses -- while the latter relies entirely on such reports rather than making unequivocal assertions of fact, thus obviating any need for harder evidence. 76.102.197.4 (talk) 10:38, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
So what's with all the weasal wording and conspiracy innuendo?
was the founder of al-Qaeda, the militant Islamist organization that claimed responsibility for the September 11 attacks on the United States
He was believed responsible for the 9/11 attacks in the United States in 2001 and other terrorist acts.
in 2004 Osama bin Laden finally claimed responsibility for the September 11, 2001 attacks in the United States
The Federal Bureau of Investigation has stated that classified evidence linking al-Qaeda and bin Laden to the September 11 attacks is clear and irrefutable.
In the 2004 Osama bin Laden video, bin Laden abandoned his denials without retracting past statements.
In June 2006 FBI's chief of investigative publicity, Rex Tomb, saw no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11.
What a disgraceful excuse for an article. Bin Laden is guilty for 9/11 as much as Hitler is guilty for the Holocaust. There was never any "hard evidence" that Hitler ordered the Holocaust (no written orders for instance), but it's possible to infer his responsibility based on a logical examination of the evidence.
The evidence against Bin Laden is neither non-existent nor entirely "classified" as the article dishnonestly implies. It consists of interrogations of people close to bin Laden as well as documented links between the hijackers and bin Laden associates. This was detailed in the 9/11 Comission Report as well as newspaper reports back in 2001 (both going utterly unmentioned in the article, as it would contradict the conspiracy narrative). Interestingly, the article does contain a fact-free assertion from Milosevic that Bin Laden was involved in Kosovo, so it seems Wikipedia has no problem accepting some people's words at face value.
Oh yeah, and he confessed. Usually, when the prime suspect confesses, it means he did it.
Of course there's no "smoking gun" in the sense that there was a smoking gun in the 1998 embassy bombing because of bin Laden's use of a sattelite phone. But only the conspiracy fringe disputes his guilt. CJK (talk) 03:13, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
New name for "Location of Osama bin Laden"?
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Location_of_Osama_bin_Laden#What_should_be_the_name_of_this_article.3F Chutznik (talk) 00:14, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
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