Talk:Newbie

Grammatical error

The word 'alternative' should be used were 'alternate' was written. It's ironic that a newb mistake like this would have been made on this page. Robin.Anderson (talk) 19:04, 17 June 2008 (UTC) pie

'where' ahem! newb

Origins

The first mention of 'newbie' on Usenet was 1988, and it was used in the same manner as currently: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac/msg/68659de9d2d8e42d?hl=en 76.105.254.12 (talk) 14:32, 18 July 2008 (UTC) The term noob can also mean a person who is cheap and uses high quality objects.This word also refers to crappy players of video games like sam best —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.61.17.15 (talk) 23:34, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Also commonly know as the player "iiixiiixiii" in the private L2 Dreams Luna 50X server. He captured this epic nickname by constantly raping the English language and debating the usage of the word Nab (which is a common replacement from the origin of the word NEWBIE). To see this NAB in all his glory, please check out the following: KING OF THE NABS and check out the 21 posts he has and how they have earned him this title. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NFCTinken (talk • contribs) 02:09, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Still a dicdif.

This article still really isn't anything beyond a dictionary definition of the term. Given how there doesn't seem to be any move to go beyond that (and, in my opinion, no potential to go beyond that using good sources), and given how the previous AFD seems to have gotten side-tracked into unrelated concerns that it was 'slang' or not, I think it should probably be re-nominated for deletion soon. Yes, it was only a month ago, but that AFD really addressed the wrong issue; opinions on it that touched on the dicdif issue -- noted that keeping it was contingent on it being expanded beyond a mere definition of the term. When you look at it and how little progress has been made since then, I think it's obvious that that isn't happening, and probably can't happen in a sourced fashion. (Other options exist. Technically, really, an pie AFD result isn't needed to soft-redirect to Wictionary, if there's no objections here; or it could be redirected and folded into to another subject, one capable of supporting an entire article.) --Aquillion (talk) 12:59, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Aren't there any comments on this? The AFD closure noted that this article needs serious work to bring it out from being a dicdif; where's the people who wanted to keep it? If nobody says anything in the next week or so, I'll assume there's no opposition and soft-redirect to Wiktionary... --Aquillion (talk) 18:41, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Newb vs. n00b

Ok guys, a n00b is not the same as newbie....ask around in any gaming community...a n00b can be a newbie, but a newbie is not necessary a n00b. We used to call these kobolds way back in the AD&D-days.....running around the gaming conventions, ruining gaming sessions and just being obnoxious, irritating and in huge need of growing up... Some "facts" 1. Being a newbie is unavoidable when doing something new. 2. Being a n00b is easy to avoid by being humble and showing respect to those with experience and not acting childish. 3. key characteristics of a n00b: 3.1 Arrogant 3.2 Think you know something but really don't 3.3 Try to tell others how things are/work, without the knowledge and the experience to back it up. Spreading misinformation. 3.4 Behaving childish 3.5 bragging about stuff not worth bragging about since it involves no skill, no difficulty, no effort or anything else that would make it worthy of bragging. (like: Hey! Today I killed a rat and found 3 cp)

/H — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.55.110.220 (talk) 12:36, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

I agree with the people here who say that "newbie" and "n00b" have different meanings. I have been using the Internet for many years and talked to many people on different forums and I am absolutely sure that the two terms have different meanings. A newbie is a newcomer, yes. But "n00b" and its variations have nothing to do with "newbie". A n00b is someone who is annoying, stupid, ridiculous, spammy, etc. A n00b can be a newbie and vice versa but they by no means are the same thing. Something has to be done about this page. Strawberry~ (talk) 01:12, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Shouldn't the distinction between Newbie and Noobie be made. Newbie being the new player needing to be helped at the game. Noobie being a griefer or troll generally ruining the experience for others. Further explanation for Nub and Nublet need to be added with references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.127.11.24 (talk) 22:12, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

A Newbie, is a person who is a new player. Often unskilled or unaware of how things work and often ask for help. A n00b, was derived primarily from First Person Shooting games, this is a person who lies, is deceitful, a troll, a scammer, a spammer or a cheater who intends to ruin the experience for another person, a n00b also typically uses a form of 1337 speak in order to aggrivate other people. KingKKRON (talk) 12:27, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

The term n00b was first used amongst gamers, particularly in the FPS genre. It was used to describe a player who continiously swore, lie and would spam to aggrovate other players. In more modern gaming usage, it is used in MMORPG's mistakenly for newb, a new player. There is a large difference between the terminology of the two words, as explained above a new player does not spam, cheat or troll in order to gain attention from other players, however a n00b will. The original terminology of the word n00b has lost it's meaning for many people, where they have grown into a era of gaming where new players are branded as being spammers, trolls, cheaters and deceitful people, however are only branded as such because the new era of gamers never learned the original terminolgy therefore use it in the manner which they believe is correct. KingKKRON (talk) 12:27, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I must disagree, in my perception the term noob came from the name 'Noob Saibot', which was a character in the game Mortal Kombat 2 (1993 i think) and was the easiest character to play with many many abilities. All players who didn't know how to play the game played 'Noob Saibot', hence the term Noob in other games for players who don't know how to play the game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.209.204.209 (talk) 11:08, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

This is the sort of information that tends to be largely undocumented, as it is very sub-culture specific. Labored research may go so far as to find an obscure forum thread from 2003 or so that explores the difference. Among the gamer subculture, it is largely accepted that 'newb' or 'newbie' refers to a player bungling due to inexperience, and 'n00b' separately refers to virtually anyone that an experienced player finds obnoxious-- especially another player that behaves as though they are inexperienced, despite evidence to the contrary. Motivation for behaving in such a manner can include a desire to irritate others (typically referred to as 'trolling') or simply being a thoughtless idiot, with a sheer inability to learn from the mistakes of others or oneself. VanGarrett (talk) 05:22, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

The Urban Dictionary would perhaps be the reference on this. The first article on 'n00b' clearly makes a distinction from 'newbie'. I'm going to make a note that you'll mostly find people with a 'noobish' attitude calling other people 'noob' even though they're seen as new to something.Faro0485 (talk) 06:09, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Urban Dictionary does not meet WP:RS; it is open to contributions from anyone, and therefore cannot generally be used as a source within Wikipedia. --Aquillion (talk) 09:24, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

So a wikipedia, a site that is open to contribution from anyone, doesn't accept information from a site that is open to contribution from anyone? How does that make sense? It's pretty simple, newbies are new to a game, noobs however are not new, they're simply unwilling to be the type of player you'd want to play with. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.151.6.222 (talk) 21:01, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

I second this, this page is uninforming a lot of people and it needs to be changed. 66.41.83.205 (talk) 14:04, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

alright. I agree with the distinction and I'll try to change the page to not be misleading. but it is the case that wikipedia doesn't accept information from sites open to contribution by anyone. We have to rely on reliable sources for our articles specifically because our editors are anonymous. Protonk (talk) 02:16, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I think a newbie is just some one new to the game, and a noob is anyone (new or not) who is either annoying or uses tactics considered to be too easy for them Tyler John (talk) 19:23, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to point out that the general consensus of people who have commented on the discussion of the difference in meanings have pretty much all agreed that there is a difference between "newb"/"newbie" and "noob"/"n00b". I think by that fact alone we should make the distinction. I don't think a new article is in order, as "n00b" is derived from "newb". Ryoga-2003 (talk) 05:14, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

i agree we need to let people know the diffrence between a newb and a n00b there is a huge diffrence and i agree with every thing said above! (Supersmashbros123456 (talk) 15:12, 26 March 2009 (UTC))

Noob comes from newbie.., it just slang or different wording of the word. It means the same thing. Like people will say "noob" to mean idiot, just like saying newbie which means the samething. Inotherwords, in their mind saying "noob" is cool/new lingo. If i am wrong, then why do so many use it like that? I don't know why there is such discussion on this or why their even needs to be an article on it. Kingkkron, i agree with half your post. ~~majinsnake~~ 7 may 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Majinsnake (talk • contribs) 23:18, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Here. http://cad-comic.com/comic.php?d=20060823. Read it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NuparuMahnika (talk • contribs) 14:17, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I beg to differ with the above comment. Newbie or newb and noob have completely different meanings. But unfortunately many are do not know the difference. Newbie refers to a new player, someone who who is unsure of the going-ons of the game simply because he or she is new to it. A noob however, as mentioned above is someone who spoils the gaming experience for others. Newbies deserve some help and guidance as they are new to the game and should perhaps be given some basic pointers. Noobs however, are not new to have already had time to learn what should or should not be done and yet are still spoiling the gaming experience for others, although admittedly some noobs do this unintentionally. These definitions only apply to internet gaming however. But I am quite certain that using these terms in other contexts would be quite awkward. (innocentboi) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Innocentboi (talk • contribs) 12:09, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

If "many do not know the difference" [sic], perhaps there is no difference. Maybe in some circles, there is a clear distinction between the two words, but in most places, the two mean the exact same thing. See wiktionary: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/N00b. (I would cite Webster, but he's only listed "newb" as a shortening of "newbie", which he basically defined as someone new.) As for common usage, I don't really know how to prove anything, all I can offer is anecdotal evidence. 76.122.102.100 (talk) 23:04, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

I second the above. Noob is the insulting version of newbie. Yes, newbie "just" means new comer. But it's precisely because a new comer is expected to be clueless that calling an "experienced" person "newbie" would be insulting. It's just that "noob" is better suited for insulting than "newbie", but they have the same root. Hrimhariw (talk) 19:24, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

In my humble opinion, the reason why "noob" gained so many more meanings is that it became such a common insult that people inferred all sort of things from it, when actually it just means this: you're so lame that no matter how much time you dedicated to this game, it's as if you had just joined. Hrimhariw (talk) 16:04, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I agree with you. "Noob" seems to have many meanings, although they are all similar.

For example: 1. An annoying but devoted person to a game who does things that makes them seem like a newb. 2. A person who thinks they are the best and refuse to learn a better way than theirs. 3. Someone who acts idiotic and acts immature although they know better.

And "newb" just means a clueless newcomer. So basically "noob" is a insulting version of "newb". And therefore they are somewhat the same. And different. But I digress.

P.S. I doubt an actual "experienced" person would be called a "newb/noob", unless the person saying so was one. --114.241.28.45 (talk) 04:03, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

So, as far as I can tell (and I was on the internet as of 1991), 'n00b' is the 1337-spelling of newbie, and 'noob' is a backformation from 'n00b' by people too lazy to reach for the zeroes. 'n00b' should be properly pronounced just like 'newbie' (two syllables, n00-b), although its commonly pronounced as a single syllable now. The reason for the perception of a derogatory nature of 'n00b' is that, coming from 1337 culture, where being 1337 was the ideal state, the opposite of 1337ness (ie, being a n00b) was a bad thing. Its nothing inherent to the term itself, so much as a facet of the subculture which spawned the spelling. Amongst those cultures which hold themselves to a similar standard (1337ness is the pinnacle achievement), n00bishness will be considered poor form regardless of whether you spell it 'newbie', 'noob', 'newb', or whatever. So its not so much that the word means something different as the communities or individuals which foster the 1337 attitude look down on someone whom that label describes. --76.206.239.39 (talk) 16:48, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

The gentleman immediately above me is correct. I do not have a source, only anecdotal evidence that "noob" is the lazy-man's "n00b" which was simply "newb" written in "1337" or "l33t". Any attempt to distinguish the two is a social web phenomenon that may or may not be significant to the widespread use of the term. To call any garbage player a "n00b" (newbie or not) was the best way to rile them, as it would immediately incite a war of net cred, displaying ranks and game history and discussions of what patch you had owned what game since. This is why it's essentially a universal term for the annoying or crappy player. You are simply assumed to be bad because you do not have the experience that the other person has. Again, this is simply anecdotal evidence from a 15+ year user of the internet. 65.96.29.38 (talk) 03:36, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

A newb is someone who is learning, a noob is someone who refuses to learn. --174.71.78.253 (talk) 00:35, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Refs for the difference. http://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/gallery/files/5/6/8/3/noob.jpg http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=noob http://geekdictionary.computing.net/define/noob Refs against the difference. ....

A newb is someone who's new at a video game and a noob is someone who's bad at a video game and is ignorant about it. Only a noob wouldn't know the difference. Voxhit (talk) 14:46, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Newb vs noob

I agree with Voxhit (talk) to a point. Newb and Noob are two DIFFERENT words. Both with DIFFERENT uses and meanings.

HOWEVER... The origin of the Gamer word "Noob" is actually incorrect. Noob was created BEFORE the online popularity of FPS games. It was created on old online RPGs, in fact, and was used as a way of "combating" the censorship of most of the chat.

Noob was the only way of saying Nob without it being converted into the typical censorship ***'s. Other words were also created, like Kunt, Fook, F00k, N00b, Wank3r, D1ckhead... Leet Speak or 1337 Speak is BASICALLY just the same thing, only THAT became popular...among Noobs!!

- Daryl — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.115.60.153 (talk) 02:10, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Soft-redirecting to Wictionary.

I mentioned this above, but since it's been a while and nobody replied: The AFD closure for this article, and most of the opinions there, were contingent on it expanding beyond a dictionary-definition. It hasn't, and I still don't think anyone has really argued that that's possible (even the part discussed in the section above this would still just be a dictionary definition.) So... We could just relist it on AFD, but if there's really nobody that objects, that isn't even necessary. Does anyone object to this simply being soft-redirected to Wiktionary? We don't need to go through AFD for that. Of course, anyone could revert it, but I can't see why anyone would want to -- Wiktionary is the proper place for this, and covers all the important points from here much more concisely. --Aquillion (talk) 09:32, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I would think there was enough cultural references to the word to expand beyond a dictionary definition. Like 'I feel like pwning newbs' and stuff? Richard001 (talk) 08:00, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

chobo

why does this redirect here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.151.6.222 (talk) 20:59, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Chobo no longer redirects here. Probably an inexperienced editor thought that the two words have identical meanings. In the past, Novice has been incorrectly redirected here as well. Thanks for pointing out the redirect. — ℜob C. alias ᴀʟᴀʀoʙ 13:44, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Chobo still redirects here im afraid!Misortie (talk) 15:36, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Stoob?

I have never until this day heard that term, even after playing Guild Wars (an MMORPG) excessively for 2 years and frequenting the PvXwiki, where trolling is common. Urban Dictionary has only a couple definitions that even remotely resemble the one here (although they prefer "stupid noob" to "high-level players that seem, or act like they lack experience".

Also, it'd be great if we had the (actual) history behind the term "noob" (and its variations), if that's possible. 24.109.90.46 (talk) 02:45, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

• I removed it. I request that editors research and source the claim before replacing it. Protonk (talk) 04:33, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

... I just feel I need to post the reason I created that subsection "Stoob". I was reading a book about MMORPG terms, of which I've forgotten the name of, and there was this entry "Stoob", with about that definition I inserted into the article. But, unfortunetly, I've lost the book, and forgot the title, it being just some book I read for fun belonging to a friend. *sigh* Oh, well...

I agree with the removal of it though. Might as well delete it, having no current cite.

But not like it doesn't have much use: a Yahoo! search (one of the most reliable of search-for-hits engines) gives about 188000 hits. Not a bad number, though many of the hits are just people jokingly inserting such as their name.

7h3 0N3 7h3 \/4Nl)4L5 Pl-l34R ( _t / _c ) 04:26, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Stoob--AodhanTheCelticJew (talk) 16:32, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

In case you are suggesting anything, I was well aware of that. Now if, you'll just search it on a search engine and find out how many are actually referring to the town?

7h3 0N3 7h3 \/4Nl)4L5 Pl-l34R ( _t / _c) 02:40, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

it's noob

the word may technically be newbie, but the word noob is actually being added to the dictionary! so the article should be called Noob. here is a source to prove it:

http://www.geeksugar.com/3148046

and another:

http://www.destructoid.com/noob-to-become-the-millionth-word-in-the-english-language--131688.phtml

Noob and Newbie have different meanings.

Newbie is a ordinairy newbie. Noob is a term used for people who are experienced, acting like a newbie, often with an annoying attitute. That has been the meaning since online gaming started in 1995 (or so)... —Preceding unsigned comment added by VixensWay (talk • contribs) 22:37, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree that the page title should be changed to noob. Noob is a far more commonly used word, and is more relevant than "newbie" in most cases. If people can't come to a proper agreement over this, the term 'newbie' should have a separate page that explains the different meaning and usage of the word. Churkirby (talk) 18:50, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

I agree at the guy above me. Voxhit (talk) 02:27, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Millionth word reached!

And they were dead on, too. The 1,000,000th word was found on June 10th, 2009. At the time of this post being written, that was only 3 days ago! Someone better update the article! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.252.40.17 (talk) 18:39, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Protection

It should be removed, there's no reason for this page to be protected. It's highly unlikely that this page will be vandalized, and I'm sure people can watchlist it.

Let's just un-protect it, and if that goes poorly, add it again later. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.90.144.239 (talk) 03:38, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

<sarcasm> Yeah, that worked spectacularly well, didn't it? </sarcasm>

Considering that, in the past year, this page has attracted a ton of anonymous vandalism, I requested semi-protection be reinstated, if for no other reason than to allow the editing community to spend their valuable time doing something other than reverting non-conforming edits on this page.

Sorry, but it was getting to be a bit much. — UncleBubba ^{( T @ C )} 14:48, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

F YOU LoL!! NooB !!! NooB!! F you Noob!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.70.29.80 (talk) 07:49, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Unprotect it. Voxhit (talk) 14:50, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Origin

The term Newbie is actually a anglicized version of a Chinese honorific for self-deprecating humbleness, núbì (奴婢), which means a female servant. The term is anglicized as nubi or newbie.--76.19.133.38 (talk) 00:47, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

The resemblance is coincidental. Just because the same sounds occur in two different languages, that does not demonstrate a shared origin. If you cannot find a reliable source that confirms that the English word was derived from the Chinese — and you can't — then leave it alone. — ℜob C. alias ᴀʟᴀʀoʙ 14:06, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Much of internet culture is undocumented, but the term newbie was popularized on an online chat-room in 1998-1999. It was a joke making fun of a Chinese historical television drama, where a female character, delighted at hearing praise, humbly replied, "Nubi (I, your humble servant) is unworthy of praise." This was made fun of on the chat-room as "Nubi is unworthy of praise", but because of perceived pronounciation difficulties, variants were used, such as substituting Nubi with Nuby, Nubie, Noobie, and Newbie. It was "Newbie is unworthy of praise," that someone at the chat-room remarked, "You're a newbie." This started a trend as people started calling each other newbies and the term quickly entered mainstream usage.--76.19.133.38 (talk) 00:08, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but that sounds like an extremely unlikely etymology. Words don't normally just become trends and magically become common words, (normally), and even when they do, they become fads, and quickly die out. A much simpler and more obvious origin would be from the english word "new", which much more of the internet (well, the part that uses the word newbie at least) would recognize, converted into a noun. (which is kind of weird to me too, but much less so than the possibility you proposed). 76.122.102.100 (talk) 23:14, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

People interpreted it to be meaning a rookie, because of the word "new" in it, and yes, it didn't establish itself in mainstream usage right away, but took awhile and is still largely limited to internet culture. The "new" is actually inspired from Newbery from Newbery Medal, and the -ie was added as if "nuby" is written in plural without the 's', it is also found in a word like "zombie."--76.19.133.38 (talk) 00:04, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Lol. This is really funny, but I guarantee n00b, newbie, and so forth are older than 1998. I imagine that chat channel was making fun of the movie because the line was interpretable in the context of the existing internet subcultural use of n00b, rather than an origin of the new meaning. Ie, 'Nubi is unworthy of praise' sounds like 'N00b is unworthy of praise'. --76.206.239.39 (talk) 16:57, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Froobs

originating from noobs froobs are a mixture of the word fruit and noob. they are both simalar and you may think that it is a fruity noob. you would be wrong however because somehow fruit transfers to gay. noob meaning some one who is new or fails at life a froob would be a gay person who fails at life. for example miley cryrus is a froob. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.194.217.59 (talk) 00:37, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

noob:a weird annoying game nerd (maxy) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.74.219.239 (talk) 03:34, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Or a brand of yogurt. Colabcalub (talk) 11:06, 12 November 2011 (UTC) :D

Froob, a portmanteau of "free" and "noob" used to describe players who opt to view in-game advertising instead of paying a subscription fee in Anarchy Online. Ezhar Fairlight (talk) 21:40, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Pronounciation Derivation

It should be noted that "noob" is derived from "newbie" by the way that Americans pronounce it (noob-ee) as opposed to the British and Australian pronunciation (nyew-bee). i.e. the "new" is said in the same way as "mew" and "few" and not like "zoo". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.164.21.1 (talk) 11:43, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Wrong. Many, if not most, Americans don't pronounce it "noobee". They pronounce it "nyewbee". Don't make things up. - M0rphzone (talk) 06:38, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

It's just where the Americans decided to pronounce all these English words different. The result makes a noob in itself. Gawsh. I can't take the paradox. xD Colabcalub (talk) 21:28, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Other spellings, related terms

nib, nub, nab are all getting to be used more and more widely around. cheers 80.99.1.12 (talk) 15:34, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

derivation

Probably "new boy" was more relevant to the term's origin than "new baby".... AnonMoos (talk) 10:32, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Split noob from Newbie

I typed in Noob in the search box and found that it redirects to Newbie. Everyone these days know that noob is different from newbie. A newbie is a new person at something, while a noob is the n word (swear). a noob is someone who is experienced but still used basic stuff (I heard on youtube that in mario kart wii if you still use automatic when you are experienced you are a noob) or pretends to be a newbie —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.1.201.172 (talk) 02:15, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Correction: Everyone these days does not know that noob is not different from newbie, which it is not. A noob is a person who is new and a newbie is a person who is new. The notion that they're different is just a bunch of people regurgitating a definition that some guy made up thinking he was clever.

It's a bit like "kid", when describing actual kids it doesn't need to carry any negative connotation, though somtimes it might be used to emphasize aspects of kids considered negative in comparison with grownup adults, specially when it's used in reference to someone that is techinicly not a kid anymore; the different spellings and pronunciations with newbie/noob are often used to emphasize the intended meaning, usually the more leet'fied and distorted the more derogatory it is intended to be, but there hasn't been enough time for this to become a clearcut language rule and the usage and interpretation might vary quite a bit depending on who you're dealing with. --TiagoTiago (talk) 09:19, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this counts but here's another one: n006

n stands for n, 0 stands for o, and 6 stands for b. you get noob = n006. I'm sure someone made a word called shroob —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.1.201.172 (talk) 02:52, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Actually in 1337 speak 6 does not stand for b. 6 is for g as it looks similar when G is capitalized (6-G). In 1337, 8 stands for B so it would properly be n008. 75.18.161.93 (talk) 07:47, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

HOWEVER

Leet speak is pointlessly stupid and was derived from mobile phone texting language. It is pointless, stupid, childish and only used by NOOBS...

Thus proving that Noob and Newb are two DIFFERENT words.

Thank you.

- Daryl

Edit request from Dalleon, 23 August 2010

As the word Newbie and Noob are considered the same in many people's eyes, as the gaming has evolved so has the meaning to the word.

In the early 90's where gaming were pretty much born, the definition of noob were created. As the definition of Noob is considered a person who would or stay bad, he is ignorant of becoming better, A person who, regardless of experience, lacks the skill to be competitive in a certain game; Who wants everything to come easy instead of working hard to achieve something, and if they do try and yet fail at achieving to become better, their very much likely a noob.

If someone would basicly "pwn lol" this sort of person, - (Pwn, "Own" /Owned - definition of winning against the opponent in a game such as in a overrated way. Proving the person in the game, "Who's better"), he would become defensive and probably call the person who's winning either a hacker/cheater or noob.

Therefor he who uses the word noob against another person whilst loosing are pretty much considered noob themselves or in a denial state because someone is better, and if a Professional player calls someone a noob whilst winning; even if the person he's facing is good, he's just doing it for insulting and being rude towards the bad player and making him feel bad, causing his self-confidence to lack and the Professional person would feel better about himself for achieving something better than the losing person has.

A Newbie in the other hand is a person who's completely new to a game, area, rang, or thing and has the possibility to either becoming Professional or either a Noob.

As a Noob can be spelt in many ways within the Leet (1337) Language where you use numbers and letters to express yourself with. (n00b, noub, nub, nuub, n0ub, nab, n4b, etc, etc).

Here you got a definition of the word Noob.

Dalleon (talk) 02:08, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. We can't publish original research. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:41, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

ITS LOSING...not LOOSING.

You're a spelling noob!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.115.60.153 (talk) 02:26, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Leet

I find it strange that this word n00b, which is so obviously a Leet word, does not reference to the page for Leet at all. Is there a reason for this? It seems like it should both refer to leet in the text of the n00b article and link to the leet article.Tkemp (talk) 01:34, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Needs a comment about how it originated from mortal kombat

it needs a breif sentence about how it came from Noob Saibot - And that was the creators names. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Headchopperz (talk • contribs) 17:53, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 174.61.16.141, 23 November 2010

See Antares (Evony)

174.61.16.141 (talk) 21:06, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

What do you want to change? -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 21:16, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Mistake in history section

"The term is believed to have entered online usage by 1981." should be "The term is believed to have entered online usage by 1988." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zambet (talk • contribs) 13:33, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

And you are citing what authoritative source for this assertion? Personally, I'm not sure that one can infer, from a Usenet reference alone, the first use of a neologism. — UncleBubba ^{( T @ C )} 14:52, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

The article's statement's (above) citation is Usenet dated 1988. The article states that usage had reached online 1981. Therefore, "1988" is a mistake, WRT the citation. While the inference itself may not be reliable, at the least the inference & the citation should agree! Alsavage (talk) 23:06, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

(I indented your text per WP:TALK)

There's probably no real issue here, anyway, since USENET, being user-contributed, is not a reliable source per WP:RS. — UncleBubba ^{( T @ C )} 23:47, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Origin of the word "newbie"

As a german speaker I would say that the word newbie comes from the phrase "to be new" or "new being" and not from the phrase "new boy". In german you would say "Neuling", in englisch "new kin" or "new member".--MBelzer (talk) 21:19, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

It came from English, not German, so this etymology/relation is highly unlikely. No one puts a verb after a noun as an adjective. It's the other way around. Also, no one uses "new being" - it's not a word or phrase. - M0rphzone (talk) 06:40, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

I always thought the word originated from the TV show Romper Room, which ran in the 50-60's. The hostess would sing a chant for/about "good doobies" in her "magic mirror", and then call out some kids' names. "I see Alice, and I see Bob". "Good doobie" and the following "doobie" were pop culture phenoms, at least in the New York/New England area. The "goody two shoes" definition, combined with the show was being rather nauseating, meant the word was used as a minor insult. "Newbie", as well, was a minor insult in the beginning (geek's revenge?) until The Newbie Guide came along. Don't be a newbie! Dickbalaska (talk) 03:45, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Untitled

The term noob is a slang to defined new comer or unskilled player, mostly in RPG. It may also refer to a certain played named IamShu as he is the worst played in the world — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.31.168.95 (talk) 00:42, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Newb vs Newbie

This is just a doubt from me, I don't have any source or anything, but are you sure Newb is short for Newbie? I've always been under the impression that Newb was just "childish spelling" for Noob, and that Newbie was a completely different word that meant "New player" (as discussed above). In other words, Newb and Noob would be synonyms, and would be both that derogative word (again, discussed above), and Newbie would mean "New player" and wouldn't have any relation whatsoever to "Newb". 206.41.92.18 (talk) 16:24, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 14 June 2012

Category:Video game terminology

ABunnell (talk) 04:58, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Reformatted for display. Dru of Id (talk) 07:42, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Mdann52 (talk) 16:09, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

edit requests

Please add a wiktionary sisterlink

{{wiktionary|newbie|noob|n00b|newb}}

to the top of the article (just after the hatnotes)

-- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 21:26, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Partly done: I've added it to the History section, where it looks less cluttered but still seems to make sense. Rivertorch (talk) 09:30, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Newbie shouldn't be redirected from noob because they both have different meanings, I think that there should be a separate article titled noob. Voxhit (talk) 23:25, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Noob

The person who made this article and made redirection from noob to newbie is real noob. The noob and newbie entries should be separated ASAP, they spread false informations and confuse people around world. Newb =/= Noob — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.205.225.110 (talk) 18:09, 11 November 2013 (UTC)