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== Climate data ==
In the previous versions, climate data was used from the weather station Hohe Warte for the time period 1971-2000. Hohe Warte is pretty outside the city center and is located on a hill. Thus, temperatures are on average lower than in the rest of Vienna. Instead of adopting the cooler values from Hohe Warte, the weather station Innere Stadt (city center) should be used. I've included the values from Innere Stadt and updated the sunshine hours. [[User:Spaceflo.L8|Spaceflo.L8]] ([[User talk:Spaceflo.L8|talk]]) 00:07, 17 February 2015 (UTC) Spaceflo.L8
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this definitely needs some love...hopefully from someone who lives there...
How about a cleanup tag? --Rednaxela 12:01, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Any particular reason for this? The remark you are responding to was made in October 2002, and the page has changed a lot since then. Martg76 18:23, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The one world lines along the left of the infobox certainly caught my eye, plus the large number of lists there are in this article. Just a little bit of pruning here and there? --Rednaxela 15:50, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
So many city names!
Hmmm, so many versions of the city's name in different languages is overdoing it a bit, maybe? Perhaps just the English and German are sufficient?
The two obvious ones should remain in the first paragraph. There is historical context that gives value to the others, but they don't need to clutter up the beginning, I'll move them to the end. (For various Austrian monarchs, their alternative names are also listed after the content.) --Shallot 23:16, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)
It’s particularly relevant to include Vienna’s name in other Central European languages, given the city’s history as an imperial capital to so many nationalities in the region. Certainly it’s appropriate to mention them in the tongues of the former crownlands, at least the more major ones. -- GJK 10:45, 18 Oct 2005 (GMT+1)
Can anyone explain to me why reorganizing this article automatically means removing all but one photograph? <KF> 14:24, Jan 16, 2005 (UTC)
Although there are probably now less links than 2 years ago, I'm very inclined to remove all links to tourism sites apart from the official Vienna Tourist Board. It's not that the couple of sites currently in the list of external links are bad sites; just that this article is about Vienna, not "Visiting Vienna as a Tourist". Furthermore, if you allow one site to be listed, it creates problems when other, similar, sites are later added. After all, you need to draw the line somewhere.
What do others think? I don't just want to go ahead and delete the links; I think it would be good to reach a consensus and maybe add an appropriate comment to the external links section. Steevm03:46, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, Hamburg and Berlin certainly are. And I don't think it's important to rank it in this way in the introduction anyway. Tfine8020:05, 20 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Robertbyrne: According to that website, that city population of Vienna is larger than that of either Frankfurt or Munich (much larger than that of Frankfurt, which has a population of 643.000 only). Things look different if you look at agglomerations, where there are several larger ones in Germany. Martg7621:30, 20 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I know, it's #3 after Berlin and Hamburg. #4 is Munich. -newkai | talk | contribs 03:34, August 21, 2005 (UTC)
Munich and Frankfurt are both smaller than Vienna, Hamburg is almost equal in population... the only german-speaking city that is really bigger than Vienna is Berlin --Asdfking12308:26, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I Think the Romani Name of Vienna is Betschi. Look at here.
celtic name
User:213.152.56.60added the claim that the name comes from from the Celtic Uindobona 'Fair Bottomland' , but does not give a source. The Encyclopedia Britannica says that the Celtic name "Vindobona" means "white field". For the moment, I have removed the translation. --Austrian21:16, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You have to make a distinction between the Roman military castle, which was called vindobona and was in the same place as now is Viennas first district - the city center, and the older civil settlement. 62.178.137.216 (talk) 18:42, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I`ve lately heard, that the name of the little river "Wien" (same name as the city) may derive from a celtic word which means something like "river in the Woodland". 62.178.137.216 (talk) 18:45, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Both windobona and wedunia are Celtic - just because the Romans called their fort "Vindobona" does not mean that it was Latin. Bona in modern Gaelic is bun "bottom, base", including the area that is at the bottom of hills, mountains, cliffs, and so on. The Encyclopedia Britannica's researcher made a mistake, in that "White Field" would have been windomagos (Modern Gaelic fionnmhagh). --Roidhrigh 12:09, 24 April 2012
Translations of Vienna
I really don't like how the translations of "Vienna" clutter the introduction. I would suggest we move that to another section all on its own, and provide maybe only one or two in the introduction (German, Czech, Hungarian maybe?) - grubber17:50, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for moving the translations to the infobox! However, I am wondering if all those translations fit here. I quite like the translations into central european languages and english, but why are Swahili, Dutch, Greek, and Afrikaans listed? I'd rather keep the list short. --tomst | talk14:33, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
NPOV
As much as I hate to say it... This article needs some NPOV work. Sentences such as Excellent, enormous and authentic Wiener Schnitzels are available at the Figlmüller restaurant (Bäckerstraße 6) are simply blatant point of view, and not fact! -newkai | talk | contribs19:09, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A similar reference to Figlmüller was removed from the german Vienna article some time ago. I do not see the value of that information either. Tomst07:16, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
By my calculations, Vienna has the dubious honour, if Iran positions missiles in the far north western corner of Iran of being the most distant and most important European city that can be threatened with atomic destruction by Tehran's world-famously lovely politicians in a few year time, with current missile technology. I don't suppose anyone in Vienna has actually noticed this? (Good job the Israelis have.) Iran won't attack, of course, but at least the Vienna papers would shy from "depicting" the prophet. --LeedsKing11:52, 30 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Austrias "Neutrality shield" would be activated and no such missile will ever reach the city.
I don't think that this is a real big problem, because we are not in the NATO or declare war to any country which wont give us oil.
We don't think that if the iran produces perhaps 5 rockets per year that they would attack us because we don't have such big prodlems with the Iran like Israel etc.
Complement EU
On December 16, 2004, The World Factbook, a publication of the United States' Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) added an entry for the European Union. [1] According to the CIA, the European Union was added because the EU "continues to accrue more nation-like characteristics for itself". Their reasoning was explained in this small statement in the introduction:
The evolution of the European Union (EU) from a regional economic agreement among six neighboring states in 1951 to today's supranational organization of 25 countries across the European continent stands as an unprecedented phenomenon in the annals of history...
... for such a large number of nation-states to cede some of their sovereignty to an overarching entity is truly unique...
... the EU ... has many of the attributes associated with independent nations: its own flag, anthem, founding date, and currency, as well as an incipient common foreign and security policy in its dealings with other nations. In the future, many of these nation-like characteristics are likely to be expanded. Thus, inclusion of basic intelligence on the EU has been deemed appropriate as a new, separate entity in The World Factbook. However, because of the EU's special status, this description is placed after the regular country entries.
I might add that EU citizens have EU- numberplates, -passports, drivinglicense, the EU institutions, and regular election. I hope you support the small extension I made... all the best Lear 2118:41, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Vienna's vineyards
Vienna is not the only city with its own vineyards. Paris has them too, on the Montmartre Hill.
Paris, it seems, has only one vineyard [2]. So, the statement that Vienna is the only capital with vineyards (plural) is actually correct, although it is a bit confusing. I'll add a note about Paris. --Stemonitis09:39, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Cathedral?
I tought that Steffl is one of the most famoust vienna sights but there is no picture of it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.200.89.32 (talk)
You're absolutely right of course. I have replaced a picture of a flak tower (not such an important tourist attraction, although interesting in their own way) with one of the Stephansdom. --Stemonitis14:25, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
nations
There are a lot of nationalities living in vienna but there is no any nummber about it.(although there are per cents of religius in vienna)
Note to Translators
To anyone who's involved in translating text for this page, please bear a couple of things in mind when you are translating:
You don't need to literally translate every single bit of German. In fact, many German speakers tend to waffle, especially when writing. It's dreadful enough in German :) Call a spade a spade, not "an earth relocation implement". Chop out all redundant "bla bla".
Don't leave the German sentence structure; the English ends up being very stilted. Rephrase things and split up sentences if necessary.
Don't translate all the awful marketing bla bla that's probably been added to the German by the Vienna tourist board or whoever. Wiki is an encyclopaedia (e.g. Nachteulen die Nightline fahren).
Read through the English when you're translated it, and correct it as though it were an English text. It is very important for the translated text to read as though it was actually originally written in English. If English isn't your mother tongue, get someone to proofread the text for you who is a native speaker. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Steevm (talk • contribs) 02:24, 21 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]
A couple of other points if I may:
Please provide explanations when the original text refers to things (e.g. places, people etc) which are familiar to most German speakers but may not be to English speakers.
If German is your native language, consider translating articles from English into German as well - not only is this likely to be easier, but there is a wealth of material you can get working on - whereas pickings are relatively slim the other way round - since the English Wiki is currently bigger than the German. Lfh20:25, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
History
"Adolf Hitler lived in Vienna from 1907 until 1913. The Academy Of Fine Arts of the city rejected him as a student. When Hitler became broke and homeless he stayed at homeless shelters like the one on the Meldemann Strasse."
I know that Hitler's years in Vienna had quite an important effect on him, however is this really neccessary for this article? The 'History of Vienna' article does not mention his years in Vienna at all and it is much longer than this section.
It's just a thought, I guess you don't have to agree with me
Quite right! Vienna may have been important to Hitler, but Hitler was not so very important to Vienna (at least no more so than many other cities in Central Europe). Certainly, Hitler's youth had no discernible effect on the city, and should not be mentioned here. --Stemonitis14:36, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed that bit, since I agree it isn't really relevant. However I wrote a new sentence mentioning his presence and the importance it had on him, since that (shorter version) does seem quite interesting and relevant as Vienna was a very multicultural imperial hub at the time. Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf that he learned to hate Jews in Vienna so I think that's important. Dmhaglund11:55, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
On second thought, above users are right. I have now removed the sentence about Hitler's youth from the history section. That information is best suited in the article about Hitler. Users please note I've extended the history section somewhat to encompass the 20th Century, which was previously given short shrift; I hope it isn't too long here. Dmhaglund12:02, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"Fine Cuisine"
Just noticed the history bit claims Vienna was known for its fine cuisine under the Hapsburg Empire. I've never heard this claim anywhere before - can anyone attest to its accuracy? Even if it is accurate it doesn't seem relevant so I will delete it within a few days unless I hear strenuous objections for some reasons. Dmhaglund09:59, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
# of visitors
User:Stemonitis, please check the source before you revert corrections. According to the given statistics [3] each of the mentioned museums has more than 280,000 visitors, not 250,000.
Ah, I see the source of the misunderstanding. The original text was poorly worded (almost certainly my fault); I think the implication was meant to be that each of the attractions in that paragraph had more than 250,000, not just the last sentence, so including the Kunstforum. --Stemonitis17:53, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
oh, well then sorry about that. Maybe we should make it more clear then that the number also refers to the art galleries, and not only to the popular museums. --Spitzl18:14, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No need to apologise; it's my fault entirely. It dates from an attempt of mine (which I think succeeded in general terms) to establish a list of attractions determined by some objective criterion which could be referenced. I'll be happy as long as the article accurately reflects the sources and as long as it doesn't slip back to the state of every editor adding his favourite museum (and there are a lot to choose from). Actually, that should be referenced somewhere, that Vienna has more museums than any other city, according to some claims, although I forget whose claims those are. --Stemonitis18:24, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I now rephrased the paragraph and added the number of museums (figures for 2004). I also replaced the Hofburg (which is already mentioned above) with the rather important Leopold Museum. Btw, the Museumsquartier itself is not a museum but a cultural area where many museums are located. --Spitzl10:18, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
One thing that seems to be missing in this article is the wide range of media companies, such as tv and radio stations. There is a whole paragraph in the german article about it. --Spitzl08:52, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Is this a notable subject? I have been copyediting another article that refers to a band (Baccara) having a memorial along Vienna's Walk of the Stars, and was hoping to wikilink it... but nothing found. Maybe this could be added by someone who knows a bit more about it than I do? Regards 80.229.35.229 13:01, 25 June 2007 (UTC) (edit)EyeSereneTALK13:02, 25 June 2007 (UTC) (damn computer auto-logged me out!)[reply]
References
The article is tagged as requiring references. I think it would be great if the missing references could be tagged in the text itself (or at least tag the sections, not the whole article), so that we know what needs to be sourced, rather than the entire article.
I'd agree that there aren't enough references for an article of this size, but I'd like to have some sort of guidance as to what needs to be referenced. That way I can actually see if I can find something. There's quite a lot of information in this article that is (to me at least) quite simply common knowledge. Steevm17:08, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Removing the template in absence of any specific guidance on what needs referencing. I have just scanned the article and see nothing that looks doubtful. -- Rob C. alias Alarob00:42, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"Of course, there is nothing wrong with having lists if their entries are famous because they are associated with or significantly contributed to the list topic, for example Nixon's Enemies List."
Being a capital city, obviously loads of well known people have lived there at some time - from Adolf Hitler to Bryan Adams; from various emperors to Friedrich Hundertwasser, Sigmund Freud and Gustav Klimt. Whether listing them all (and hundreds of others) adds to the article in a constructive manner is something I severely doubt. Ideally, if they are particularly significant, they belong in the article itself - either under culture, tourist attractions or history (as the case may be). btw, I'd actually associate Mozart (who is one of the two listed) more with Salzburg than Vienna.
As a side note, other city articles, such as New York City and London don't have any such a list in them. So I'd be all in favour of removing the list from the Vienna article, rather than expanding it. Any reason not to do this? :) Steevm00:50, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The number here, about the population of the metropolitan area is, as far I understand the information on the Homepage, where the numbers are from[1], that these numbers represent more the urban area than the metropolitan area?
Correct me if i am wrong, but i think in the metropolitan area are also cities included, wich are closely affiliated to the city, but are not in the urban area, like Baden, or even Wiener Neustadt, or even Bratislava, in that case.
There is no geography section in the article and climate data is also missing. I looked up the average monthly temperatures for Vienna: [4]. If anyone knows how to make nice tables and charts, please don't hesitate to help out. Thanks, (Einstein00 (talk) 19:36, 21 January 2008 (UTC))[reply]
Don't think so, because the gloriette is neither a major sight nor THAT impotant anyway. (It is part of the schönbrunner tiergarten). I think it would be better if there was a picture of the st.stephans. or something. I personally like this picture very much (http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archive/00233/wien_uebersicht_DW__233664g.jpg) but I am not that familiar with uploading or getting the license for pictures. it would be nice if someone more experienced would do that.
Entry height of tram?
The ULF tram stock, designed by Porsche and built by Siemens boasts an entry height of 180 mm (7 in), the lowest in the world.
Huh? What does entry height mean? What does this have to do with Vienna? Makes me wonder if it is an odd little specialed ad placement. --NealMcB (talk) 01:53, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The entry hieght is the distance from the ground to the top side of the floor where the door is. In other words how high off the ground you'd be when you stepped in. Lower is better because it makes it easier to get in.(86.31.191.26 (talk) 00:08, 9 July 2008 (UTC))[reply]
I think the flag on the German version is correct, while the one here is just the state flag. So, I am planning to change it. Tomeasytalk21:02, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There are a number of books on the negotiations leading up to the Austrian State Treaty which might shed some light on why the Soviets didn't blockade Vienna at the time of the Berlin blockade. It transpired that The Soviets were willing to pull out of Eastern Austria in return for a neutral constitution, as a second best to having the western sectors forming a NATO bridge between West Germany and Italy. That would of course have been the consequence if the Soviets had successfully blockaded Western Vienna in 1948/49. Others have argued that the Berlin blockade was 'ad hoc', specifically over the currency question and that the argument did not involve Austria or Vienna. Nevertheless there were some minor disruptions on the land access roads to Western Vienna during the Berlin blockade, but these never amounted to a wholesale blockade. David Tombe (talk) 14:56, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
[/viːn/]
Just a quick question - I was under the impression that you couldn't have slashes inside brackets with IPA notation. Notations are either in slashes or in brackets, because they represent different things: /x/ represents the phoneme and [x] the allophone... /x/ -> [y]/z...
These two are supposed to be standard sections for city articles. Right now no information is installed about these issues at the Vienna article. Instead it rather concentrates to appear like a tourist brochure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.53.9.43 (talk) 12:39, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The main picture is, despite the recent change, still not very good; no real subject, rather dark and gloomy, altogether somewhat undistinguished. What about this one?:
The first picture is supposed to repesent an article. In this case it does not. Is this really the best pic with got of Vienna? What about one with the Stephansdom, Riesenrad or even Schönbrunn? Reidlos (talk) 18:05, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Pronounciation
I haven't found any citations where Wien is pronounced "Wean." As far as I've found on the internet, and after discussing it with a friend who is a college professor teaching classes on Austria who lives there half the year, it is always pronounced "Veen" when it is spelled "Wien." Vocalizing the "w" would be a mispronounciation.
--Rotellam1 (talk) 14:54, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In Austrian High German, Wien is pronounced Veen, with a v like in verb, not Wean. The pronunciation of written Wean, which is pure Viennese dialect, is Varn. --Wolfgang J. Kraus (talk) 15:01, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Either way it should be removed. This is ridiculous. A colloquial / slang pronunciation has no place in a written resource. If there are no convincing objections I will do so within a few days. --IGreil (talk) 14:15, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Most populous city in Austria by far
Why is it by such a huge margin that Vienna is Austria's most populous city? I tried to calculate how many of the next bigger cities put together have the same population as Vienna by itself, but stopped counting at about fifteen. In contrast, in Finland, Helsinki is only less than one and a half times as big as Espoo and Tampere put together, and smaller than Espoo, Tampere and Vantaa put together. What makes Vienna so special in Austria? JIP | Talk20:02, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Some of the reasons should be fairly logical - it's got a better geographical position that most others in Austria, and it was the center of a large empire for centuries. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 11:43, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If you include the cities in the former Austro-Hungarian empire, you'll notice that the sizes fit the rule of thumb of 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, 1/5 etc. size. The dissolution of the empire after WWI created this disparity. 84.114.214.144 (talk) 03:16, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The Habsbergs
The section on the Habsbergs seems pitifully short, considering their importance in the history of the development of classical music. In fact, the whole wiki seems light on classical music, considering Vienna's importance to classical music (and vice versa). Perhaps someone familiar with these topics - the Habsbergs and classical music - could expand this? 121.220.146.71 (talk) 08:01, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The wikipedia page for Twin_cities_(geographical_proximity) does not list Vienna and Bratislava, however I find its criteria somewhat erratic. I had however come across this term several times before coming to live in the city. But I believe I only saw the reference in guide books. The only immediate commercial reference to the Twin Cities that comes to mind is the Twin City Liner. I have a faint memory that the trains linking the capitals may also share a similar designation. Of course, the cities are also twinned.
Thinking about it, the term quite neatly applies as both cities are linked very well to one another by road, rail and indeed river. Their airports provide complimentary roles. They are the closest two capital cities in Europe (at about 65 km between them). I don't believe they need share much more for such a qualification. Samluke777 (talk) 01:53, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not entirely convinced. I mean, is proximity all it takes? Take Dallas / Fort Worth: Have you ever heard anybody refer to the "Vienna / Bratislava region"? I certainly haven't. Or to stay in Europe: Monaco is about 20 km away from Nice, France. Are they "twin cities"? To me the term also seems to suggest (if loosely) an equality in size or importance. Bratislava has been a European capital for less than 20 years, and is less than one fourth of the size of Vienna. IGreil (talk) 07:20, 5 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This is just mumbo-jumbo being churned out the likes of the WKO (Chamber of Commerce) and tourist board, who are trying to promote the area. While it is true that the two cities are very close together and that many cheap airlines fly from Bratislava and provide transfers to Vienna, to call the area the "twin city" area is IMO a spurious claim - it's just marketing and no one actually refers to them as such in normal conversation. 84.114.214.144 (talk) 03:20, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Skyline Image Collage Caption?
Could someone with knowledge of Vienna provide the names of the locations shown in the Vienna skyline collage in the infobox? For the moment I have inserted an internal comment to attract people’s attention to the lack, but I thought it good to put something on the talk page. AnjwalkerTalk10:09, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, d'you just mean the normal images at the start of the article? It looks like the info is there now. I'd say that only the second from last image shows the skyline ;) 84.114.214.144 (talk) 03:25, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Adding HRE task force link onto the page
Considering that Berlin (not just the history, but the city as a whole) was added onto the HRE task force, and was still on there after revisions, I wanted to see if it was okay that if I add the HRE task force onto the page. Considering that It was the capital for it, and had a huge history in the HRE (and the Habsburgs) I feel that it should be on the scope. I was going to add Prague as well, and maybe Aachen, but see how it went here, considering Vienna had the most significance in the HRE in terms of capitals. LeftAire (talk) 15:51, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Climate data way out of date
The climate data is averages from the 1970s!!! With clear evidence of global warming the last 10 years should be giving the current data. A look here shows temps reach 36 degrees - a lot more than is suggested by the data in the article now. An encyclopeia should be upto date and make it clear what the weather IS. And not what is WAS:
In the previous versions, climate data was used from the weather station Hohe Warte for the time period 1971-2000. Hohe Warte is pretty outside the city center and is located on a hill. Thus, temperatures are on average lower than in the rest of Vienna. Instead of adopting the cooler values from Hohe Warte, the weather station Innere Stadt (city center) should be used. I've included the values from Innere Stadt and updated the sunshine hours. Spaceflo.L8 (talk) 00:07, 17 February 2015 (UTC) Spaceflo.L8[reply]
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