Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tropical cyclones

I just created this wikiproject, after several months of contemplating doing so. I hope everyone working on hurricane articles will get involved. I went ahead and wrote a bunch of guidelines, basically based on current practices...naturally since this is something I just wrote it doesn't necessarily represent community consensus and needs to be discussed. That discussion should probably go here for now...although eventually we may make these pages a little more structured. For a general TODO list, see the "tasks" item on the project page. Jdorje 23:17, 5 October 2005 (UTC) Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/WikiProject used Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/WikiProject used Template:WikiProject Tropical cyclones

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Featured article candidates

• 15 Oct 2024 – Hurricane Dennis (talk · edit · hist) was FA nominated by Hurricanehink (t · c); see discussion

Featured list candidates

• 22 Oct 2024 – Timeline of the 2019 Pacific typhoon season (talk · edit · hist) was FL nominated by JCMLuis (t · c); see discussion

Good article nominees

• 24 Oct 2024 – Hurricane Wilma (talk · edit · hist) was GA nominated by 12george1 (t · c); start discussion
• 09 Apr 2024 – 1873 Atlantic hurricane season (talk · edit · hist) was GA nominated by 12george1 (t · c); start discussion

Good article reassessments

• 06 Nov 2024 – Hurricane Allen (talk · edit · hist) was nominated for GA reassessment by JCMLuis (t · c); see discussion

Peer reviews

• 26 Aug 2024 – Tropical Storm Kai-tak (talk · edit · hist) has been put up for PR by TheNuggeteer (t · c); see discussion

Requested moves

• 17 Nov 2024 – Typhoon Yagi (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Typhoon Yagi (2024) by Anenglishguyinthephils95 (t · c); see discussion
• 17 Nov 2024 – Typhoon Man-yi (2024) (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Typhoon Man-yi by Zzzs (t · c); see discussion
• 30 Oct 2024 – Hurricane Paul (1982) (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Hurricane Paul by AwesomeAndEpicGamer (t · c); see discussion
• 25 Oct 2024 – Tropical Storm Trami (2024) (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Tropical Storm Trami by HurricaneEdgar (t · c); see discussion
• 06 Nov 2024 – Hurricane Rafael (2024) (talk · edit · hist) move request to Hurricane Rafael by Quxyz (t · c) was moved to Hurricane Rafael (talk · edit · hist); see discussion

Articles to be merged

• 18 Nov 2024 – Hurricane Hernan (2002) (talk · edit · hist) is proposed for merging to 2002 Pacific hurricane season by Zzzs (t · c); see discussion
• 05 Nov 2024 – Tropical Storm Agatha (talk · edit · hist) is proposed for merging to Effects of Tropical Storm Agatha in Guatemala by 74.101.118.218 (t · c); see discussion
• 05 Nov 2024 – Effects of Tropical Storm Agatha in Guatemala (talk · edit · hist) is proposed for merging to Tropical Storm Agatha by 74.101.118.218 (t · c); see discussion
• 07 Nov 2024 – Tropical Storm Kirsten (1966) (talk · edit · hist) proposed for merging to 1966 Pacific hurricane season by Tavantius (t · c) was closed; see discussion
• 07 Nov 2024 – Tropical Storm Pilar (2023) (talk · edit · hist) proposed for merging to 2023 Pacific hurricane season by Accordthemusician (t · c) was closed; see discussion

Articles to be split

• 30 Oct 2024 – Hurricane Helene (talk · edit · hist) is proposed for splitting by 74.101.118.218 (t · c); see discussion
• 09 Oct 2024 – Hurricane Hugo (talk · edit · hist) is proposed for splitting by 69.123.54.241 (t · c); see discussion

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Article up for promotion to A-Class

List any proposed A-Class assessments here. Discussion will take place on the article talk page. In general, at least two people should endorse promotion.

• Typhoon Nabi ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:57, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
• Cyclone Anne Jason Rees (talk) 14:53, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
• Typhoon Chanchu ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:08, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Source guide for tropical cyclone articles by User:Hylian Auree

All of the below is based on style guidelines per WP:MOS.
Note: The names and titles used as examples in this guide are fictional and do not represent real articles or reports unless otherwise stated

Titles

• For news and journal articles, the title of the article needs to be written in lower case. Naturally, proper nouns, as well as names of places, people, etc., retain their capitalization. Example: Not More Than 500,000 Left Homeless in Brenden Moses County by Hurricane Julian, but More than 500,000 left homeless in Brenden Moses County by Hurricane Julian.
• For reports, books, press releases, and conferences, the title of the text should be fully capitalized. Example: Not Rainfall report on Hurricane Julian and its tropical remnants in Brenden Moses County, but Rainfall Report on Hurricane Julian and its Tropical Remnants in Brenden Moses County.
• For regular websites, the reference title assumes the capitalization format of the original website title. However, full-caps words or titles still need to be rewritten in lower case.
• All titles should have proper punctuation per the WP:MOS (e.g. straight  '  rather than curly  ’  apostrophes or quotation marks, spaced en dashes instead of misused spaced hyphens, unspaced colons, semicolons, etc.), even when the source titles may not be stylized as such. Example: Not Brenden Moses County on alert : JULIAN plays wait-and-see - Forecasters warn of storm’s “undivinable” nature, but Brenden Moses County on alert: Julian plays wait-and-see – Forecasters warn of storm's "undivinable" nature.

Dates

• The publication date of a source is listed in the |date= field. While this can normally be found at the top of the source, it is sometimes hidden in a more obscure location (e.g. the bottom of the page, the page history, or the url of the page). For web sources that are frequently updated, use the most recent revision date. If the source is undated, this needs to be indicated by adding "n.d.", as such: |date=n.d.
• For online sources on web pages that may be suspect to domain changes, the retrieval date (the date upon which the source was found and last accessed) is listed in the |accessdate= field. This is always the case for online newspapers or web sites, though retrieval dates should be considered for online reports as well. For books and journals, even when electronic (such as Google Books), a retrieval date is unnecessary.

Authors vs publishers in reports, press releases or documents

• In the |author= field, only list the name(s) of the person or people that wrote the piece (i.e. the "First" and "Last" fields are applicable). Anything else does not belong in the author field: never a (government) institution, department, or organization, nor their sub-branches—these belong in the publisher.
• Agencies and government institutions tend to have multiple sub-departments or branches. For example, the "Weather Prediction Center (WPC)" is one of nine service centers under the umbrella of the National Centers for Environmental Prediction (NCEP), a part of the National Weather Service (NWS), which in turn is part of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) of the U.S. government.

• Although these all fall under the |publisher= field, it is rather cumbersome and impractical to include every single parent department (NCEP, NWS, NOAA) in |publisher= for a report or document published by the WPC. Therefore, simply listing the lowest branch as the publisher suffices (so Rainfall Report on Hurricane Julian (Report). Weather Prediction Center. rather than Rainfall Report on Hurricane Julian (Report). Weather Prediction Center; National Centers for Environmental Prediction, NOAA. or something).
• Above all: DO NOT compartmentalize these branches and spread them across the fields. These are the |publisher= of reports, not the |author= or |work=. Example: NOT Hink, Andrew; Weather Prediction Center (2015). Rainfall Report on Hurricane Julian. National Centers for Environmental Prediction (Report). College Park, MD: National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.{{cite report}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link), but simply Hink, Andrew (2015). Rainfall Report on Hurricane Julian (Report). College Park, MD: Weather Prediction Center.)

• The |work= field is often redundant here, unless the referenced report/document is part of a project, database, or contained in a separate website. In this case the project/database/website name may be listed as work, though this is often optional.

• A recent example I came across can be found here. This is an undated rainfall report for Hurricane Earl (2010) from Météo-France published on their site, so an appropriate formatting would be {{cite report|url=http://pluiesextremes.meteo.fr/antilles/2010-Earl.html|title=Earl 2010: Ouragan|publisher=Météo France|date=n.d.|accessdate=September 13, 2015}}. However, note the "Pluies Extrêmes Aux Antilles" ("Extreme Rainfall in the Antilles") at the top of the webpage and within the url; this suggests this is a separate web archive/database for extreme rainfall events in the Antilles, documented by Meteo France as an extension of their website (meteo.fr). In this case, the |work= parameter may serve disclose this additional information.

Newspaper vs publisher vs agency vs author in news articles

• In the |newspaper= field (or the more obsolete |work= field), list the name of the newspaper. Online newspapers are sometimes hard to distinguish from web or radio sites; looking for an "About us" section on the site or searching the newspaper name on Wikipedia may help in this case.
• The |publisher= parameter is used for sources from broadcasters (i.e. BBC), news channels (i.e. CNN, Fox News), radio channels (CBS Radio), etc. For newspapers, listing the publisher is unnecessary and redundant.
• The most frequent error I see in newspaper citation formatting is misusing the |author= field for the news agency (i.e. AFP, AP, Reuters, etc.). There is a special |agency= field to list these agencies. Again, only names of individuals should be included in the |author= field.

Current infobox

Typhoon2013 is trying to put the current inforbox to all seasonal articles of tropical cyclones. It may be considered as a good idea but it really makes other editors very stressful to update, and it often looks unnecessary. -- Meow 01:36, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

@Meow: Since last year, some users have been telling me to add infoboxes in all basins and therefore, I agreed. That's the reason why I started using the infobox for the 2015 North Indian ocean season article. I just added the infobox there (just to see if someone agrees or disagrees) and later that day I found users like Cyclonebiskit updating it. Also if you say unnecessary, then why do we have it in the WPac? IMO it's important to people, especialy when the forecast track is shown. Typhoon2013 (talk) 02:39, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

@Meow: Just in case you didn't see my last week's reply, I think it's fine now. Adding current infoboxes in all seasonal articles are fine and I don't find it that stressful by updating the infobox every 6 hours. Typhoon2013 (talk) 09:09, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

I don’t have time to update. -- Meow 10:01, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Personally I think we should get rid of the Current infobox for all seasons and remember that we are not a weather agency or news service.Jason Rees (talk) 16:42, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

We're still an encyclopedia though, so we can certainly still summarize. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 16:43, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

@Hurricanehink: @Jason Rees: First of all, who even brought up an infobox hurricane current? Well, yes, we are not an agency Jason, but I personally think it's a good idea to follow the agencies. Just saying that when I arrived here in Wiki in 2013, the infobox hurricane current was already there. Typhoon2013 (talk) 10:23, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Do you mean the current infobox for the individual storm, or for the season? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:06, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

@Hurricanehink: Sorry my mistake. For individual storm, when they're active (the infobox hurricane current, not the regular infobox hurricane small) Typhoon2013 (talk) 10:27, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Oh, ok. Yea, I don't see the need for the current hurricane infobox. For our readers, the info doesn't change terribly much every 3-6 hours (the position is pretty abstract until it comes ashore). I'm fine if we don't use them at all. There are more important things our editors could be doing than changing the pressure by 1 mbar and the position by .1 latitude. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:48, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

@Hurricanehink: So from now on, starting next year, we do not need to add the infobox hurricane current if a storm is active? I really need to ping a lot of users for them to be aware of this in the future and just in case someone has an idea about this or what they say about it. @Supportstorm: @Yellow Evan: @Tatiraju.rishabh: @Cyclonebiskit: @Nino Marakot: Typhoon2013 (talk) 03:25, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

I'm fine either way...people seem to find the current infobox thing useful, even IPs update them from time to time, though. Could still be useful to keep the "current storm information" sections, which provide links to the proper warning agency/agencies. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 03:50, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Same. It is time consuming and it would seem the only time editors updated the info was when a cyclone was near landfall or at a high intensity. During the monotonous portions of the season we would see info in some articles that were days old. If we keep the infobox is there a way to program a bot to update the template with current information? Supportstorm (talk) 05:01, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

@Supportstorm: Great idea about the bot thing, but I do not know how to do that or who to go for this. Doing that is an easy way for users and is time-saving (lol, we are so lazy). Otherwise, if we are not continuing using this template, in my opinion, we can only use it if the storm has an article or if the storm has a high chance of becoming a known storm (eg. Typhoon Haiyan, Hurricane Sandy etc), especially for Cat 5 storms I guess. Typhoon2013 (talk) 08:29, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

@Cyclonebiskit: @Hurricanehink: Maybe too early to say this, but the GFS predicts TS Pali forming and possibly another after that by next week. If this happens, do we include the infobox hurricane current as usual with active systems? Or not anymore? Because with all these information since 28 Nov, I would say that it's a 50/50 atm. Typhoon2013 (talk) 10:39, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

It's a bit speculative, but sure, if no one objects, let's just try using the regular infoboxes for current storms. I think using them should be limited to when there is a current storm article (for Patricia and Haiyan storms). I agree with Cyclonebiskit, that we'll still use the "current storm information". The watches/warnings don't need updating as often. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:26, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

@Hurricanehink: Melor is a good example of why that's not a good criterion. There's no article on it (yet), but it is going to have a very high impact on landfall, and we likely have readers in the path of it.--Jasper Deng (talk) 17:46, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

@Hurricanehink: When you said "regular infoboxes", are you talking about the Infobox hurricane small or Infobox hurricane current? Also, I agree now with the current storm information, so does this mean to use it in all basins? Because from what I see, you guys only use the current storm information in EPac (plus CPac) and Atlantic basins. Typhoon2013 (talk) 04:39, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

I was referring to the "Infobox hurricane small", which is currently the only infobox used (as no storm is present). As for current storm info, other basins don't have the same interest, or the same warning structure that the NHC basins have. I think just having a cited summary written is more important than having the updated info. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:20, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

That it is a lot of work to update these infoboxes is not a valid reason to not have them. A bot could really work well, especially for JTWC, NHC, and CPHC data, which is available in standardized formats. @Legoktm: used to have a bot to this end. Also, I fail to see how the "too much work" argument holds up with rapidly intensifying storms where the peak intensity parameter of the permanent infobox must be constantly updated anyways.--Jasper Deng (talk) 17:39, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Edouard (2002)

This article will show up at WP:TFA tomorrow. The first sentence says "Tropical Storm Edouard was the first of eight named storms to form in September 2002, the most such storms for any month at the time", and there's a ref after it, but the ref doesn't seem to support the claim that September 2002 had more tropical storms than any other month, only that it had more North Atlantic tropical storms than any other month. Is the broader claim also true? - Dank (push to talk) 02:25, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Off the top of my head I don't believe the broader claim is true. I think the sentence was working on the assumption that since it's an Atlantic storm article, the sentence only applied to the basin. I've added "North Atlantic" to it to avoid any confusion. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 02:29, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. - Dank (push to talk) 02:58, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

1933 Tuxpan hurricane article under construction

feel free to add any info you can find.98.174.223.41 (talk) 19:06, 27 December 2015 (UTC)