Talk:Spider-Man: Homecoming

Post-credits scenes

There is always a discussion after a film about whether the post-credits scenes are notable enough to the film's plot to be included in the plot summary. In this case, I don't feel that either should be mentioned. The mid-credits scene is potentially setting up a future villain, but in the film it just plays as a small character beat for Toomes after the credits that could maybe be mentioned in his character section, rather than an actual plot point. And the second one is definitely not important to the plot. - adamstom97 (talk) 07:33, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Nevertheless, it is still important. There are other instances where the post-credit scenes are not important, but are still worth noting.

I think the mid-credits scene can be mentioned, but I'm fine with the post-credit one not being mentioned. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:47, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Every MCU movie has a summary of the post-credits scene. No every pcs has something relevant to do with the plot. The Avengers eating Shawarama? That's not essential to the movie at all but it's added because it occurred in the film.Xtremeroller (talk) 00:19, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Plot summaries should "avoid minutiae like dialogue, scene-by-scene breakdowns, individual jokes, and technical detail" (from WP:FILMPLOT). The post-credits scene of this film is just a joke, it does not add anything to the plot. - adamstom97 (talk) 00:29, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Again, like I said so was The Avengers' and even the 1st Guardians. The collector sitting in his collection while Howard the Duck just says a one-liner. These scenes are jokes but are added to the plot of the movies. Please explain to me why that is and this time is different. Xtremeroller (talk) 00:33, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

No, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not an acceptable argument. If you take issue with those other articles, then they should be discussed at their talk pages. Here, we are discussing this film's post-credits scene, which I have noted has literally nothing to do with the film's plot, and another editor has agreed with its exclusion. Can you give a good reason for why this specific scene needs to be mentioned in the plot (i.e. how it does not come under "minutiae like dialogue, scene-by-scene breakdowns, individual jokes, and technical detail")? - adamstom97 (talk) 00:50, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

It is an acceptable argument because it's part of the same franchise of those films. And like I've said in my examples, those post-credits have nothing to do with their plots as well. Change of conversation: look up the word "balance". The word is perfectly used in the sentence, Peter is trying to balance his life in high school while being Spider-Man as he faces the Vulture. Nothing wrong with my version of the summary. Xtremeroller (talk) 01:05, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Balance is between things, in this case his high school life and being Spider-Man. Your wording removes the comparison between those two things, and instead says "balance his life in high school (with some unknown thing that I am not going to tell you about) while being..." Clearly we do not want to be saying that. - adamstom97 (talk) 01:12, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Sorry for joining this discussion too late. I saw the movie today, and was stunned by the post credits scene. While we don't have to mention it in the plot, can we mention in the production section that it was inspired by the scene in Ferris Bueller (which in turn inspired Deadpool's)? Use this source. Kailash29792 (talk) 16:20, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

I've added it in, but only that it is similar to the Ferris Bueller scene, not inspired by, because the author of the article is making the connection, not getting the info from Watts or Feige that that was indeed what inspired its inclusion. I know the Ferris Bueller scene has inspired the MCU post credit scenes in general, but with only this source, a bit of a stretch to say it also was for this one. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:07, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

I don't think we should have that line. Saying that scene is similar to the Ferris Bueller scene is a very big stretch, and one that is being made by someone unrelated from the film. - adamstom97 (talk) 10:38, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

I agree with Adam, since saying "the film is similar to that" without mentioning according to who, looks like OR. Besides, I remember seeing the name "Ferris Bueller" in the credits of this film, and I first thought that was indication that the post-credits scene (PCS) was based on that film's one. Might have been, but now I realise they actually used a clip from that film in Homecoming, for which they could not possibly leave Ferris Bueller unacknowledged in the credits. But I'll leave it there, since there's no primary source saying Homecoming's PCS was based on that in Ferris Bueller. --Kailash29792 (talk) 11:32, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

To be honest, I'm not incredibly familiar with Wikipedia and how strict form is over content, but I know that Wikipedia is one of, if not the top site that people check to see if Marvel movies (and other movies I suppose) have mid-credit and post-credit scenes. It just seems a shame that the scene that is purposefully placed at the very end of the movie, which is popular and iconic within this media franchise, is going to be left out completely. I'd additionally argue that examining each individual sentence in movie plot sections would result in noticeably different plots for virtually all movies on Wikipedia, and is subjective as well, as we wouldn't be discussing this if it weren't. Also, it doesn't seem like a congruous encyclopedia to have such scenes added in every single Marvel movie (if they exist) and ignored in this one, simply to be dismissed with "take it up with those other movie talk pages." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:646:C501:7E69:F1EC:E81E:56F3:959 (talk) 08:18, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

I agree about the post credit scene it not giving you hint on the next best avengers movie. But can we say that the post credit scene is hinting that fans can't wait for infinty war . I mean that is what the post credit is meant to be for anyway. Underdog0123 (talk) 05:00, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Please see WP:NPOV and WP:OR. The post-credit scene indicates nothing helpful for the next Avengers film. It also does not indicate "that fans can't wait for infinty [sic] war." We cannot read people's minds. Post-credit scenes are meant so much more than that. Callmemirela 🍁 ^talk 05:05, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Ned / Jacob Batalon

Please add "Jacob Batalon" who portrayed "Ned" to the cast list. Being that he is Peter Parker's best friend and the only one that knows his secret, he was the second most important character in the movie and it's odd that he was left out of this list. Soso694 (talk) 03:53, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Second most important character was Tony Stark or Vulture. Perspective is everything. Oppose, continue to follow billing.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkwarriorblake (talk • contribs) 09:43, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Not done: per Darkwarriorblake. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 18:43, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Looking at the Wikipedia Manual of Style entry on films, I think this is a poor choice -- [Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Film#Cast|see here]. It mentions "the prominence of the cast in the film" as a key factor in presentation, which the character of Ned certainly lives up to. Batalon's role has far more screen time, dialogue, and impact on the film than Zendaya's character, for example. She gets higher billing because of previous acting roles and her music career, not because of her prominence in this film. (Her character is likely to be far more significant in sequels, of course). I would edit this myself, but I'm not completely familiar with the etiquette around semi-protected edit requests. -Dayv (talk) 06:01, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

We follow the billing precisely because a person's individual attribution of screen time or prominence of an actor is just that, individual. The billing removes edit warring over it. Plus that character was awful. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 09:41, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Official credits

Cast and main crew, from the presskit.

• Directed by Jon Watts
• Screenplay by Jonathan Goldstein & John Francis Daley and Jon Watts & Christopher Ford and Chris McKenna & Erik Sommers
• Screen Story by Jonathan Goldstein & John Francis Daley
• Based on the Marvel Comic book by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko
• Produced by Kevin Feige, p.g.a., Amy Pascal, p.g.a.
• Executive Producers Louis D'Esposito, Victoria Alonso, Patricia Whitcher, Jeremy Latcham, Stan Lee, Avi Arad, Matt Tolmach
• Co-Producers Mitch Bell, Eric Hauserman Carroll, Rachel O'Connor
• Director of Photography Salvatore Totino, ASC, AIC
• Production Designer Oliver Scholl
• Editors Dan Lebental, ACE, Debbie Berman
• Music by Michael Giacchino
• Starring Tom Holland, Michael Keaton, Jon Favreau, Zendaya, Donald Glover, Jacob Batalon, Laura Harrier, Tony Revolori, Bokeem Woodbine, Tyne Daly with Marisa Tomei and Robert Downey Jr.
• [Also starring] Abraham Attah, Hannibal Buress, Kenneth Choi, Selenis Leyva, Angourie Rice, Martin Starr, Garcelle Beauvais, Michael Chernus, Michael Mando, Logan Marshall-Green
• Casting by Sarah Halley Finn, CSA
• Music Supervision by Dave Jordan
• Costume Designer Louise Frogley
• Visual Effects Supervisor Janek Sirrs
• Visual Effects Producers Diana Giorgiutti, Maricel Pagulayan

• A Pascal Pictures production, a Marvel Studios production
• Columbia Pictures presents "SPIDER-MAN: HOMECOMING"

Cast

• Peter Parker / Spider-Man - Tom Holland
• Adrian Toomes / Vulture - Michael Keaton
• Tony Stark / Iron Man - Robert Downey Jr.
• May Parker - Marisa Tomei
• Happy Hogan - Jon Favreau
• Michelle - Zendaya
• Aaron Davis - Donald Glover [note: Criminal alias "The Prowler" given onscreen when facial recognition pulled up his file]
• Ned - Jacob Batalon
• Liz - Laura Harrier
• Flash - Tony Revolori
• Herman Schultz / Shocker #2 - Bokeem Woodbine
• Anne Marie Hoag - Tyne Daly
• Abe - Abraham Attah
• Coach Wilson - Hannibal Buress
• Principal Morita - Kenneth Choi
• Ms. Warren - Selenis Leyva
• Betty - Angourie Rice [note: Identified as Betty Brant in onscreen TV graphic]
• Mr. Harrington - Martin Starr
• Doris - Garcelle Beauvais
• Phineas Mason / The Tinkerer - Michael Chernus
• Mac Gargan - Michael Mando
• Jackson Brice / Shocker #1 - Logan Marshall-Green
• Agent Foster - Gary Weeks
• Randy - Christopher Berry
• Jason - Jorge Lendeborg, Jr. [note: Identified as Jason Ionello in onscreen TV graphic]
• Mr. Cobbwell - Tunde Adebimpe
• Cindy - Tiffany Espensen
• Sally - Isabella Amara
• Charles - Michael Barbieri
• Seymour - J.J. Totah
• Mr. Delmar - Hemky Madera
• Street Vendor - Zach Cherry
• Punk on Street - Kirk Thatcher
• Car Jacker - Yu Lew
• Yelling Woman - Sondra James
• Yelling Man - Bob Adrian
• Day Sleeper - Gary Richardson
• Gary - Stan Lee
• Thai Waiter - Joe Hang
• History Teacher - Wayne Péré
• Steve Rogers / Captain America - Chris Evans
• Tent Kids Alexa Laraki, Liza Fagin
• Voice of Friday - Kerry Condon
• Mr. Hapgood - John Penick
• Tiny - Ethan Dizon
• Decathlon Moderator - Amy Hill
• Park Ranger - Miles Mussenden
• Tour Guide -Martha Kelly
• Helicopter Pilot - Kevin N. LaRosa
• Ferry Kid - Ren Colley
• Ferry Mom - Jennifer Kim
• Ferry Commuters - Ari Groover, Louis Gonzalez, Stewart Steinberg, Andy Powers
• Yeah Spider-Man Guy - Omar Capra
• Dean Crimson - Nitin Nohria
• Stark Tower Technician - Vince Foster
• Stark Tower Employee - Brian Schaeffer

--Tenebrae (talk) 00:15, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Looks like they withheld Gwyneth Paltrow and Jennifer Connelly. For obvious reasons, I suppose. - DinoSlider (talk) 00:42, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

They were included in the presskit mentioned above at #Press Kit. Tenebrae No presskit is currently up at the link mentioned in that section, where did you find this presskit? Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 11:02, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Actually, the press kit is available at that link, but I don't see a cast list. - DinoSlider (talk) 14:33, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Another source for the cast list [1]. - Brojam (talk) 14:47, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

I am not seeing the press kit entitled credits, only "One-Sheets", "Productions Notes", and "Synopses". Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 15:23, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

I am not saying we need another source, as the movie has been released in some markets. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 15:23, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi, DinoSlider. Oh, that's funny ... I was busy and threw this here without looking too closely but, yeah, Paltrow and Connelly are definitely listed onscreen. Huh!

To answer my fellow good colleague Emir of Wikipedia, I'm press, so I got it from the studio.--Tenebrae (talk) 22:12, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for informing me where you got it from. I think the only possible information we could add is from the notes. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 11:17, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

This wasn't really about adding anything, just having the info on the talk page if we ever needed to reference it. I don't see anything else really to add. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:40, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 July 2017

In the main information box under "Story By", add a link to John Francis Daley's wiki page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Francis_Daley) to confirm this is the actor/writer rather than a different writer with the same name. Mattocaster7 (talk) 08:09, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

 Not done - as with Jonathan Goldstein immediately above Daley's name, they are both linked under "Screenplay by" earlier in the infobox - we only link the first use as WP:OVERLINKING - Arjayay (talk) 09:07, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Anyone have a Wall Street Journal subscription?

I came across this article on the film, but I can't read it since I do not have a WSJ subscription. If anyone out there does, I'm just curious if there any helpful or useful info in it to include in the article. If you do have a subscription and are unsure what is or isn't considered useful, if you could copy/paste the article text somewhere, I can look through and determine. Thanks! - Favre1fan93 (talk) 02:26, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Pasted.co. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 02:39, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks @Erik:! - Favre1fan93 (talk) 22:17, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Also @Erik:, I have decided to use information in the article. Would you be able to make an archive of the article with WebCitation or Archive.org for me? - Favre1fan93 (talk) 22:29, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Don't think having a subscription will matter for archiving, the archiver just uses the link not Erik's subscription. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 22:38, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Speak o' the devil - http://archive.is/eKuoZ Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 22:39, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Cool. Thanks @Darkwarriorblake:. And archive.is is okay to use again? I know we had all those RfCs about it not being okay. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 22:47, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

I've added the archive.is archive, because I checked Archive.org and it was not appearing properly, and I know anything from WebCitation.org will not produce positive results. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 23:54, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

It is per Wikipedia:Archive.is RFC 4. -- Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 11:08, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 July 2017

I am going to change some minor errors that some people have miswritten. Squidsid2911 (talk) 11:21, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. DonQuixote (talk) 11:35, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

VFX

I'll probably get to it at some point, but this interview has a lot of good stuff if somebody wants to add it here. - adamstom97 (talk) 09:19, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

In the process of working on adding it. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 22:25, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

I've added the major points from the article. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 23:56, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

An analysis article

Not sure if this can be incorporated at all here or another article. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:13, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 August 2017

Markyeoh1327 (talk) 05:53, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

So what do you plan to do?Crboyer (talk) 06:09, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Suggestion for how we could improve the article

I feel like the best way we could improve this article is if we refer to the main character a bit by his first name and a bit by his last name. Yes, nearly all articles for Marvel Cinematic Universe movies often refer to the characters by their last names even though some of them usually go by their forenames (and on the rare occasion codenames), but the article for Spider-Man: Homecoming is strange in that not only is Peter Parker referred to constantly by his last name, but he's a teenager and therefore predominantly goes by his first name IN THE MOVIE. My proposal for how we could make the article better may not be one you guys would agree with, but I really think it might work well.--TheRocknRollPat (talk) 14:16, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Per MOS:SURNAME, subjects should generally be referred by their last name.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 14:44, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

@TriiipleThreat: True, but from what I can recall, the Manual of Style doesn't mention anything about how to refer to fictional characters.--TheRocknRollPat (talk) 01:53, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

It does not specify, which means that it applies to both real and fictional people. It is an encyclopedic approach. - DinoSlider (talk) 02:47, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

@DinoSlider: Okay, NOW I understand! Thanks for telling me!--TheRocknRollPat (talk) 18:46, 8 August 2017 (UTC)