Talk:New World Order (conspiracy theory)

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New World Order (conspiracy theory) is an article that is being improved by supporters of WikiProject Rational Skepticism, which seeks to improve the quality of articles dealing with counterknowledge. Therefore, although remaining neutral, this article will be written from a rational skeptical perspective. Like its name suggests, this article isn't about “new world order” as a paradigm shift in international relations (if you are interested in that subject, I suggest you read and possibly edit the new world order (politics) article instead). It's about conspiracy theories about a “New World Order”. By “conspiracy theory”, we mean any “a belief which explains an event as the result of a secret plot by exceptionally powerful and cunning conspirators to achieve a malevolent end”. Conspiracy theories are viewed with skepticism because they contrast with institutional analysis of historical or current events, and are rarely supported by conclusive evidence.

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That being said, in order for the article to be chosen by the Wikipedia community to become a feature article, I am interested in collaborating with anyone who has created a user account well-written, comprehensive, factually accurate, neutral and stable enough to meet featured article criteria. Creating a user account is extremely useful for an editor (such as giving him or her the ability to more easily watch over pages he or she is interested in) but it also contributes to a culture of relative accountability on Wikipedia. Lastly, as this article gets closer to becoming a featured article, it will most probably become a target for vandalism by anonymous cranks so an administrator will have to semi-protect it to prevent them from editing it, which means even good anonymous editors won't be able to edit it either. --Loremaster (talk) 01:16, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

In the first paragraph "ideology" is spelled incorrectly. 50.75.197.19 (talk) 20:06, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

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I have restored the internal links to articles which deal with the various subsections of this article in more detail. No reason, valid or otherwise, has been given for removing these links. Edward321 (talk) 14:35, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

template {{main}} is not appropriate in this context. That template is used when the section is an exact WP:SUMMARY of the main article. These sections instead deal (or should deal) only with the topic in relation to NWO. In these cases, it is instead appropriate to simply link to the topic within the first sentence of the section. -Verdatum (talk) 16:12, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Verdatum which is the reason I have and will continue to remove these internal links. --Loremaster (talk) 21:14, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Literature

I have done some research on literature on the topic lately. Even though I have not yet read all these texts, I though I might just suggest them for review and possibly inclusion into the article. Also, I think it would be a good idea to have a list of scientific literature about this topic as well, not only primary sources by conspiracists.

• Parish, Jane (ed.): The Age of Anxiety. Conspiracy Theory and the Human Sciences, Oxford 2001.

In this book: Alasdair Spark: "Conjuring Order: the new world order and conspiracy theories of globalization", 46-62, Nigel James: "Militias, the Patriot movement, and the internet: the ideology of conspiracism."

• West, Harry G & Sanders, Todd (eds.): Transparency and Conspiracy. Ethnographies of Suspicion in the New World Order, Durham and London 2003.

In this book: West and Sanders: "Introduction", 1-37, Daniel Hellinger: "Paranoia, Conspiracy, and Hegemony in American Politics", 204-232, Susie Harding and Kathleen Stewart: "Anxieties of Influence: Conspiracy Theory and Therapeutic Culture in Millenial America", 258-286, Jean Comarof and John Comaroff: "Transparent Fictions; or, The Conspiracies of a Liberal Imagination: An Afterword", 287-300.

The may also be bits on NWO in

• Fenster, Mark: Conspiracy Theory. Secrecy and Power in American Culture, Minneapolis 2008,

as well as in

• Goldberg, Robert Alan: Enemy Within. The Culture of Conspiracy in Modern America, New Haven, London 2001.

Chapters 5 and 6 of Rupert, Mark: Ideologies of Globalization. Contending visions of a New World Order, London, New York 2000, may give hints towards the spread of conspiracism.

There also are an entries on the New World order in Landes, Richard A (ed.): Encyclopedia of Millennialism and Millenial Movements, London, New York 2000 and in Knight, Peter: Conspiracy Theories in American History. An Encyclopedia, Santa Barbara, Denver, Oxford 2003.

I thought I'd just put that up here. As soon as I get to read these in depth, I hope to be able to contribute. Maybe others take an interest in some of these texts. If they are not always suited for this article, I guess they are still relevant for adjacent ones, like conspiracism, for example. 78.55.218.66 (talk) 06:27, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you User:78.55.218.66. Those are very good sources. If you intend on contributing directly to the article at some point, I suggest you create a user account since it is extremely useful for an editor (such as giving him the ability to more easily watch over pages he is interested in) but it also contributes to a culture of accountability on Wikipedia. Despite the fact you will probably use a pseudonym, it's easier for other editors to discern your motivations when a track record of contributions is attached to your user account. Lastly, as this article gets closer to becoming a featured article, it will most probably become a target for vandalism by cranks so an administrator will have to put a semi-protection on it which will prevent them as well as good anonymous contributors such yourself from editing it. So seriously think about it. --Loremaster (talk) 15:28, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 December 2016

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Not done: as you have not requested a change.
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How is it a "Conspiracy Theory" when you can watch the Media say it?

The media continues to say (just like today on Fox news), a "New World Order might be approaching"

Here are 3 articles today: 1. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-new-world-order/2017/01/01/fc54c3e6-ce9d-11e6-a747-d03044780a02_story.html

2. http://www.euronews.com/2017/02/02/orban-waits-to-be-on-right-side-of-new-world-order

3. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jerry-jasinowski/scary-new-world-order_b_14334856.html

It's OBVIOUSLY not a "conspiracy theory". That credit would go to CIA document 1035-960 which proves that the CIA made up the term: https://projectunspeakable.com/conspiracy-theory-invention-of-cia/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.173.64.8 (talk) 00:29, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

There's this thing called the future and this other thing called the past. They're in opposite directions on this thing called time. Opposite means "not the same, as far away from the same as possible." Things in the past happened before now. Things in the future have not happened yet. Those may be very hard concepts for you, but you need to understand the difference in order to get what's going on here.

The news articles you cite discuss the possibility of future changes ("new") to how things work ("order") in the world. They are not claiming that there was, has been, or still is an existing secret society that controls the world.

In other words, your claims that those articles prove the existence of the New World Order mentioned in conspiracy theories is like claiming that the possibility of a nanotech Grey goo proves Paracelsus's legendary alkahest can be found in every hardware store on the planet; or that still nascent Genetic engineering technology proves that the mythical Minotaur is as well documented a historical figure as Abraham Lincoln. Ian.thomson (talk) 01:02, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict)There is no "it" here; that's a "them.". That is, the different sources are using the words in subtly different ways from each other, and in vastly different ways from the conspiracy theory. As nations', states', corporations' and political movement's fortunes change, the way the world runs changes with them in response. That's a simple fact. On the other hand, the changes are not necessarily driven by a single linked set of shadowy forces acting in concert; that's a conspiracy theory. Anmccaff (talk) 01:04, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

And we have New world order (politics). Doug Weller talk 05:53, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

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Totally Bias And Partial.

Wall Street, The Federal Reserve, and the Warburg Family needs to be addressed.Paul Warburg, in order to be on the board of the Fed left Wells Fargo and Jacob Schiff replaced him.This is a bias and partisan article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:5B0:51CB:7B38:910E:A082:9C63:33DB (talk) 15:11, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

This whole article reads like a conspiracy theory about right-wing conspiracy theories. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.69.234.225 (talk) 09:13, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

The article makes no attempt to discuss the subject objectively and should be deleted. Bougatsa42 (talk) 08:15, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

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