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December 27

Narrative sequence of the Hobbit and LotR

What is the correct chronological sequence of the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings films? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:37, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Fairly sure it's the same as the books i.e. the Hobbit films occured about 75-80 years before the Lord of the Rings films (discounting the flashbacks etc). Nil Einne (talk) 11:16, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Nil Einne, that makes sense, the opening scene of LotR is Bilbo Baggins' 111th birthday. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:16, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Check the opening narration for LOTR. That takes place first. At one point, it mentions that Gollum had the ring in his cave, and that the ring abandoned Gollum, to be found by a hobbit, Bilbo. That's the point where "The Hobbit" is located in the timeline. You saw the meeting of Bilbo and Gollum in full detail in the first Hobbit film, and how Bilbo got to be there and his eventual return home. Cambalachero (talk) 12:40, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

The films aren't very explicit about it, but the books (specifically appendix B) are. They are consistent, except for the fact that in the film Pippin doesn't seem to age in the 17 years between the Long Expected Party (when he should have been 11 years old) and the Quest. This time interval is not completely skipped, as at the end of the film it is stated that Bilbo is 130 years old. The Hobbit is set in Shire Reckoning 1341 (returning home in 1342), the Party in 1401, the Quest begins in 1418, return home in 1419 and they leave from the Grey Havens in 1421. I think the first of the Hobbit films begins with a scene just before the Party and then says something like "60 years before". PiusImpavidus (talk) 10:14, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

December 28

Star India's parent company within 21CF

(I'm asking because I can't find annual reports and public filings from Star India Private Limited.)

I know Star India is a part of 21st Century Fox, but I'd like to know the company's ownership structure so I can find out the parent company within 21CF. Is it a part of Fox Networks Group? If it isn't, is it still a part of Fox Entertainment Group? If it isn't, is it directly owned by 21CF? JSH-alive/^{talk/cont/mail} 18:38, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

A search on google indicates that Star India Private Limited parent is Buzzer Investments Ltd. registered in Mauritius, might give some clues. MilborneOne (talk) 18:12, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

January 2

Horse name

I have some photos on Alice Pearson and the horse Jack the Ginger. Before uploading them on Commons, I would like to know if the correct name is "Jack the Ginger", "Jack The Ginger" or something else? // Zquid (talk) 14:45, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

"Jack the Ginger", since there's absolutely no reason to capitalize the definite article. That's certainly the way Alice Pearson herself treats the name. Deor (talk) 15:20, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! Photos to Commons soon... :-) // Zquid (talk) 15:35, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Freddy Vs. Jason movie page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddy_vs._Jason

I am kinda confused on the release date of this movie 2003, other articles (and my remembrance) suggest release 1998 instead. The article shows no information of the theatrical release having 3D footage, which it did too. Would like to discuss this more. Hallow88 (talk) 20:20, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

What evidence do you have of the 1998 date? IMDb says 2003, AllMovie says 2003, and Allmusic says the soundtrack was released in 2003. Here is Empire Online's review, which again says 2003. In fact, here is a copy of the movie poster, which says "August 2003" on it. I'm not seeing anything that even hints at 1998. None of the posters or sites I checked said anything about 3D that I could see either. You're going to need to provide some reliable sources. Matt Deres (talk) 01:30, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

This article hints this information may be true https://bloody-disgusting.com/videos/3450814/new-lines-1997-sales-trailer-freddy-vs-jason-surfaced/ and this http://www.fridaythe13thfranchise.com/2015/03/the-original-1997-promo-flyer-for.html It wasn't the whole movie in 3D, just the ending fight scene. 1993 was "Jason goes to Hell", Freddy is hinted at the end scene, but several movies later and 10 years it took to release in 2003? Hallow88 (talk) 06:52, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Except those sources don't actually say a movie was released in 1998. In fact one Do you mean those articles hint the 2003 may be true? If so I agree although I'd go further and say they make it sound very likely the 2003 is correct and not the 1998. One explicitly says

It didn’t actually come to fruition until 2003, but most fans of the Friday the 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street franchises know that New Line had been trying to get Freddy vs. Jason off the ground for many years by that point.

and the other says

However, back in 1997, New Line Cinema thought they had the story locked down for the ultimate Horror showdown and proceeded to begin the promotional campaign for the film. The campaign was short lived with the many changes in direction for the Freddy vs Jason causing delays, but one infamous flyer was sent out to announce a release year for the titans of terror. Thanks to a fan named "Jesse", we now can show our readers the promo sheet that announced the film's release for 1998. Check it out below and let us know what you think of New Line jumping the gun on the release date announcement.

Not RS obviously but several commentators seem to agree there was no movie in 1998. Nil Einne (talk) 10:25, 3 January 2019 (UTC)11:47, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Reviewing Newspapers.com (pay site) for 1998 through 2003, in 1999 the papers are saying Freddy vs. Jason is in pre-production. In 2001 they're saying they expect a 2002 release. In 2002 they're saying the script isn't done yet. In early 2003 they're saying it's expected later in the year. In early August 2003 they're saying it's to be in theaters on the 15th, and that proves to be the case. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 11:01, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

I'm still stuck on how anyone could think that the movie came out in 1998. Literally the second line of the first link says "It didn’t actually come to fruition until 2003, but most fans of the Friday the 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street franchises know that New Line had been trying to get Freddy vs. Jason off the ground for many years by that point." The second link is all about how, even way back in 1997, the movie was in planning. Clicking the first link there brings you to this page, which pretty clearly says "U.S. Release August 15, 2003" right near the top. What part is unclear or ambiguous? Maybe development hell will help you understand the years-long delay. Alien vs. Predator had a similar decade-plus wait time.

As to the second question, I haven't seen the movie, but I've seen nothing that suggests any part of the movie was filmed in 3D. Please provide a source. I don't understand what the purpose would be of only having one scene in 3D, but even if that were so, someone somewhere must have mentioned it - find it in a reliable source and it can be included. Matt Deres (talk) 16:23, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

• Obligatory link to Development hell, which is the term for a movie which is announced at a certain time, and then takes way too long to actually make. Though not listed in the article, given the timeline, this sounds like a classic example of development hell. --Jayron32 17:45, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

• Wish I'd done that... :-) Matt Deres (talk) 18:14, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

• Wish I'd seen that you'd done that... :) --Jayron32 19:22, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Now if you look at any VHS or DVD 2004 version of "Freddy Vs. Jason", it reads at the top Platinum series, how can it be labeled this way if it was just released that year? Hallow88 (talk) 19:09, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

The terms "top Platinum" are marketing terms created by the film studio for its DVD releases. It means nothing in this context. --Jayron32 19:21, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

This article talks of a 1998 version which have been made by a different director. https://www.screengeek.net/2017/08/01/abandoned-1998-freddy-vs-jason-movie-trailer-surfaces/ I remember seeing this movie at the cinema but, never seen this movie as the home version release, DVD, VHS, Blu-Ray. Going to watch now, maybe the whole movie is different, I will remember. Also "A Nightmare on Elm Street" "Freddy's Dead, The Final Nightmare" only had the ending in 3D too.

January 3

Eventing rider Lissa Green - cat?

Before uploading photos of eventing rider Lissa Green on Commons, I would like to know if I should put her in "Eventing riders from Australia" (she is competing for Australia [1]) or "Eventing riders from the United Kingdom" (she is living there [2])? // Zquid (talk) 12:57, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Why not both? --Jayron32 17:42, 3 January 2019 (UTC)