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• This does come across as the classic "attack helicopter" meme, a slippery slope argument. I feel quite strongly about the value and importance of self-determination and autonomy, where one gets to shape their own identity. Moreover, I would like to note that neopronouns are particularly uncommon on Wikipedia thus far, and I can't think of any notable individuals that use them. The concern that our MOS:IDENTITY guideline will be abused by someone who wants to make fun of sources like Wikipedia is currently unfounded. As for trademark stylizations and honorific titles, I don't really have an opinion. I do think we should be nicer to Cabo Verde and Côte d'Ivoire, though. This is just kinda mean. They have a name and we (the English-speaking world) refuse to use it? ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:06, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
• This is shockingly mean-spirited. Where, exactly, is the joke here? Parabolist (talk) 12:15, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
• IMHO, this a borderline transphobic rant. Complete with wikilinking the picture caption in a disturbing manner. The fact that Wikipedia finds this funny and has published in in their official publication is very distressing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.171.194.26 (talk) 13:15, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

  I don't see anything borderline here. Galobtter (pingó mió) 15:36, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

• This is simply appalling. Especially since these concerns were raised before publication. Doubly-so since there were alternatives. This article should be retracted, with unambiguous apologies (not the "Well I'm sorry you were offended", kind). Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 13:32, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
• I'm just going to tell you write right now that I'm a she, I've always been a she, I was born a she, I'm staying a she. Don't be It'n on me, forgetaboudit. – Athaenara ✉ 13:36, 28 February 2019 (UTC) (I was hopping mad and couldn't spell rite.) – Athaenara ✉ 13:47, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
• I'm really disappointed that none of the examples provided discussed It putting lotion on Its skin. Argento Surfer (talk) 13:52, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
• Your Cousin says hello. --Guy Macon (talk) 14:08, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
• Kind of sophomoric humor but humor nonetheless. Scolding criticism and personal feelings of upset about any humor borders on a gotch-ya moment of satiric bliss, and could be attributed to recentism, an attitude of pointofviewist condemnation, or just WP:IDONTLIKEIT. I do compliment Athaenara for wanting to remain a 'she', no longer PC in some circles. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:26, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
• Lighten up folks! This is one of the funniest bits of humor I've enjoyed in awhile. If you are offended stop reading and let the rest of us enjoy the laugh. Honestly, we need laughs where we can get them because humor isn't funny anymore. Not Wilkins (talk) 14:28, 28 February 2019 (UTC)NotWilkins
  • As an expression of social non-acceptance and fairly mean-spirited disregard of the autonomy of others, it's hard to really ignore, especially when it's published in a publication you otherwise really respect. It's frustrating to see an opinion piece about how your identity should probably just be disregarded completely on formal channels. I'm lucky I am able to find humor in a lot of things these days. Sadly, I cannot see it here. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 14:40, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
• It (the usually uncapitalized version in a capitalized beginning-of-sentence situation that seems contrary to the first bullet point) doesn't make any sense. Oh, It does, but it doesn't! And while we're at it, does this mean that It will continue It's (or Its?) usually long-winded harassment of the rest of us shes, hes and Its who disagree with It? Paine Ellsworth, ed.  ^put'r there  15:06, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
• I have gone ahead and raised Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2019-02-28/Humour. No doubt those involved will paint me as a figure of ridicule or hatred, but genderqueer, nonbinary and transgender people are real and should be treated with dignity. This "humour" essay does not. --Fæ (talk) 15:11, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
• I'm going with "appalling" and "disgraceful", and endorse Headbomb's call above for the article to be retracted. Galobtter (pingó mió) 15:36, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
• Wikipedia should be better than this. It's appalling that, in 2019, this sort of content is still seen as fit for publication. - Sdkb (talk) 16:57, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
• Jesus christ, folks. Let's maybe not post transphobic shit on the signpost? Thanks. -- a. ^{get in the spam hole | get nosey} 17:11, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
• I found the comments above more amusing than the article. I shall revisit in a day or two in the hope of some more chuckles. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:10, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

  It'll likely be deleted by then; see the MfD.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  18:12, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

• It's not transphobic in the faintest. You're utterly missed the point. It's about Wikipedia editors engaging in language-change activism trying to push non-mainstream stylistic strangeness, including a) fake pronouns like zie and hirm, b) unusual trademark stylizations, and c) excessive honorifics. It has nothing whatsoever to do with off-site usages or the values (or value) of those who engage in them somewhere else. It's about and only about encyclopedic usage.

  Anything can be offensive if a) you're desperately looking to be offended, and b) if you have trouble telling the difference between "entity A writes like X, off-site" and "Wikipedia is required to use exactly X because A says so". It's the exact same thing over and over again with adherents to various religions, with trademark holders, and with people convinced that English is broken and must fixed right-now-or-else.

  If you want to go change WP:MOS to say "It's okay to exactly mimic the appearance of logos, to write of Jesus and Mohammad with "Our Lord" and "Peace Be Upon Him" before and after (respectively) their names, to inject made-up pronoun shenanigans like ze and xir into our articles", well, good luck with that. Never going to happen. That's the entire point of the essay. Given that these are all sacred oxen to their various camps ("my identity", "honoring my Prophet", "my profits"), it is not possible to address the matter without tweaking some people. I gored them in the gentlest manner I could, with explicit silliness. So, grow a sense of humor.
   — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  18:12, 28 February 2019 (UTC)