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Seasons

	Gothic Seasons Greetings
	Wishing you all the best for x-mass and miss you as always. Thought what happened to you this year was shocking, but not surprising, and I notice, frankly, that karma has come around. Keep on fighting the good fight my dear. Ceoil (talk) 19:12, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Happy Saturnalia

		Happy Saturnalia
		Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and troll-free. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:07, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Greetings and Salutations

To SandyGeorgia:

Hello!

Congratulations!

You have been included in my first, and possibly only, Very Early Christmas List!

As an earnest fellow believer in Santa Claus, and possibly in Our Redeemer Liveth as well, you may wonder how you got on this list.

I have no idea!

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Unless I tracked down the connection in our user talk archives, in which case you know who you are!

Or not.

All the best for you and yours this Christmas 2018 and New Year 2019!

– Athaenara jingles all the way 02:17, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Best wishes

		Season's Greetings
		Wishing everybody a Happy Holiday Season, and all best wishes for the New Year! Adoration of the Shepherds (Cariani) is my Wiki-Christmas card to all for this year. Johnbod (talk) 10:26, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

	Season's greetings!
	I hope this holiday season is festive and fulfilling and filled with love and kindness, and that 2019 will be safe, successful and rewarding...keep hope alive....Modernist (talk) 12:48, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Austral season's greetings

	Austral season's greetings
	Tuck into this! We've made about three of these in the last few days for various festivities. Supermarkets are stuffed with cheap berries. Season's greetings! Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:16, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Xmas

FWiW Bzuk (talk) 01:58, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Seasonal Greetings

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2019!

Hello SandyGeorgia, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2019. Happy editing, Walk Like an Egyptian (talk) 06:33, 25 December 2018 (UTC) Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

Phillip Cross Network: 15 minutes ...

... of non-fame. "Controlling the narrative: Six editors account for the overwhelming majority of edits to Wikipedia articles covering current events in Venezuela" on reddit. @Jamez42, ZiaLater, Kingsif, MaoGo, Cyfraw, and Smartse:

• https://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia/comments/bjsi0j/controlling_the_narrative_six_editors_account_for/

This exposure explains the sudden rash of red-linked-account interest in Venezuela topics. Reading the thread, you'll see there are posters who have explained how Wikipedia works, and you do have to speak Spanish and know the local sources to stay abreast of Venezuela topics, because of the freedom of press problem in Venezuela. But you know something like this is out there when you have to suddenly deal with a lot of uninformed edits. It's only borderline for WP:RECRUITING, but it has an effect.

I've always joked that I'm a famously inefficient editor. I do tons of minor cleanup edits that cause an exaggerated edit count, and make 10 edits to any other editor’s one. I have a high edit count on any article I touch: see WP:EDITCOUNTITIS. Edit count is also inflated on current topics, where some editors plop in crap text that we then have to copyedit, format, merge for flow, all that stuff. Something missing in the articles? Bring a reliable source !

The good news is that, even if editing is more challenging when you have to educate new accounts, it sure beats the alternative (the days when the media didn't pay any attention to events in Venezuela). Saludos, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:40, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

So this is were the hell break loose? I guess I avoided a bullet there, or I am not working hard enough :-(. The redditer seems to be a propaganda warrior. It has another post about Guaidó's article. --MaoGo (talk) 07:32, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

The user gave us a name too [1]. --MaoGo (talk) 07:48, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

He's building tools to analyze us ... don't you feel important ?? Funny, all he has to do is ask :) The data is heavily influenced by the fact that I do the splitting and merging, so that I end up being credited for almost all the content, even if I didn't write it, rather just copied it over. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 09:37, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

"Regarding the relatively few accounts: Most likely if this is government-sponsored activity, it is subcontracted out to a PR agency that specializes in Wikipedia editing." Allright, now I'm mad: who's been withholding my paycheck ???? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 09:44, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

I want my paycheck too :( --Jamez42 (talk) 11:44, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Posted to AN for more eyes: [2] SandyGeorgia (Talk) 10:20, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Should we answer in the Reddit thread? I feel it would give the impression of more transparency. --Jamez42 (talk) 11:45, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

My recommendation is no; when you are dealing with POV warriors (whether on or off Wiki), trying to reason with them usually doesn't work. And it would just give them undeserved attention. And it's better to observe from afar ... then you can recognize off-Wikipedia recruiting to articles. One of the reasons I pinged Smartse on this post is that I see a Reddit editor in that thread named Smartse, and I'm guessing they may be the same. If Smartse wants to clue them in as to SandyGeorgia's typical editing habits, they will :) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 11:53, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

@EllenCT:, here is some info for you:

• Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates/archive55#FAC delegate resignation (a bit about who I am)
• The paid editing thing needs to be dealt with right away; that dog won't hunt anywhere, because I've been around too long and know too many editors, and have too much of a consistent editing pattern (where I end up with a high edit count on every article I touch, because of how I edit) for anyone of substance to believe it. Besides that. It is false.
• From being WP:FAC delegate and heavily involved at WP:FAR, if you look at any article I edit, you will find I have gazillions of cleanup edits, even if I add little. You will find the same thing if you look at any of the Venezuela articles. I clean up citations. I clean up MOS stuff. I do gobs of little edits. It's because I am used to working on articles written at the WP:FA level, and I hate working on crap articles, so I clean them up.
• Here's one of my favorite examples: Samuel Johnson. I can't remember for how many years I've watched that article and maintained the little crap. So I end up being the top editor in edit count by a long distance, even though I have only 6% of authorship.[3] That Reddit ninny has no idea how to use the tools he's found. You will find similar on almost every article I touch.
• Another factor is that we have had to constantly split articles in the Venezuela suite because the main presidential crisis article has grown so much. Other editors have trusted me to do that work. And we've merged some. When you split or merge an article by copy-pasting text, you end up with 100% credit for the authorship, even if you wrote none of it. Best example of that is an article that MaoGo maintains, Censorship and media control during the Venezuelan presidential crisis. I show as having 73% of the content in nine edits;[4] that's because I copied the text from the main article to there when we split it, so it looks like "my" article, even though I wrote almost none of it. The tools don't give the information that Mr. Reddit thinks they do.
• Do six editors do most of the work on Vzla articles? Yes. (Curiously, not the six identified; I have no idea who one of them is, and a couple of very involved editors on Ven topics don't show on that chart, and that again, is a function of HOW they edit. Maybe they get it right in one edit, where I take 10). Is six editors on an article atypical for a situation where you need to speak Spanish and know something about Venezuela to keep up? No. Does that mean a single one of us is paid? Have you looked at whether we accurately reflect reliable sources? Do you think someone who dedicated most of her Wiki career to the FA process would do shit editing and not reflect high quality reliable sources?
• Do I do more of the editing than most? Yes ... I'm a bit of a take-control type, and have FA standards, and I get seriously irritated when people don't format their citations completely and little things like that, so it is entirely common for others to propose things on talk and then wait for me to add it.
• Now, this is a little more delicate; how can I put this? Not all of the editors on Venezuela topics are as fluent as I am in both languages, so they often make edits that I have to spend a lot of time cleaning up. I have no idea of the nationality of any of them (wait, not true, I do know one is Venezuelan because they said it somewhere), but I am absolutely certain none of them are paid editors. The pattern is just not there. We struggle to find the best sources, and to reflect them correctly. I am not going to take the time to dig it out now, but everyone knows I busted a Venezuelan paid editor once, rather spectacularly, at ANI. I can't remember his name: he was editing e-cigarette topics and Derwick Associates. If you had bothered to ask, you would know (like everyone) that I take pride in my work, that I would not do this for pay, and that I have a high edit count because I work to get it right. I also happen to speak fluent Spanish, so I can get a lot done on the Venezuela suite.
• Ask people who have edited with me for YEARS if they think I am a paid editor. @FAR: @Ealdgyth: @Newyorkbrad: @Risker: @Laser brain: @Colin: @Mike Christie: @Doc James: (medical editors always had to put up with me asking them for sources, 'cuz I couldn't get them-- do you think a paid editor would have to get sources from others, or might they not have PAID access?) Look at my edit count on my top edited articles and explain to me who paid me to write those? You know how to use the tool to find my top edited articles? Mr. Reddit doesn't; he has succumbed to WP:EDITCOUNTITIS while having no knowledge of the tool he is using.

What else would you like to know? Feel free to ask. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:00, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

No one that matters or with any knowledge of Wikipedia thinks you are a paid editor... Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 23:03, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Off topic

Never Ask A Gringo A Simple Question. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:56, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

BEER

		A beer on me!
		I only came upon the problem when I stumbled upon a weird transclusion. You identified the issue and immediately addressed it. Good Catch! Mannanan51 (talk) 19:27, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

oh boy, that beer is going down fast ! Could not come at a better time :) Great work there, best regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:42, 3 May 2019 (UTC)