User talk:Doug Weller

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User talk:103.93.201.2

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Question about DS alerts/notices

Hey, Doug! I keep a DS Notice at the top of my user page where it's easy to see (it's a custom design I borrowed from MPants & made some of my own modifications). It helps eliminate repeated postings of DS Alerts which can be rather frustrating to receive when you frequently edit DS topic areas. Besides, there is also a notice on the article TP and in edit view of the actual article (I believe). So...where is the best venue to present this idea - would it be AE, or ARCA (or somewhere else)? ^Atsme _Talk 📧 04:54, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

@Atsme: if you start with ARCA and it's the wrong place I'm sure someone will point you to the best venue. It will need ArbCom approval so AE won't work. Doug Weller talk 08:39, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Editing Shaykh Al Islam page

Sir , i have edited Shaykh Al Islam Page which was undo by you , you can check the title is used for Sayyed Muhammad Madni in Today's date , so please update the page as per modern Title Holder. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RQ125 (talk • contribs) 19:13, 12 May 2019 (UTC) @RQ125: you deleted most of the page and then added unsourced information, so I can't. You are continuing to add unsourced content and your draft, this needs to stop. Doug Weller talk 18:33, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

User:Alg01

Hey Doug, (I'm Aṭlas, just losing my pw all the time)

There is an editor with a Single-purpose account, who is removing Morocco/Moroccan from every article he edits. My sock radar is telling me that this is one of Bokpasa's socks. The thing that forced me to say this is that they're sharing the same "anti-morocco" agenda. Just check out his edit history and you'd be amazed about the many times he's using "Removed: X morocco", "Removing Moroccan"...in his edit summaries. But, I don't want to rush. I just wanted to tell you about his behavior. Kind Regards -TheseusHeLl (talk) 00:17, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Mauretania

Hi Doug,

Could you please have a look at the Mauretania article. There's an edit warrior there who doesn't seem to understand the difference between the region and the province and who's hell bent on removing the part about Christianity being extinguished. They literally butchered the article just to make a point. Best regards. M.Bitton (talk) 00:24, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

M.Bitton has been edit-warring and also restored a copyright violating paragraph. They accuse me of being hell-bent on removing "Christianity being extinguished" even though I'm not. In the compromises I have attempted, I kept the part about Christianity being extinguished but added another view that it did not. Bitton claims to me on the talk page that Mauretania didn't exist after 7th century so anything talking about existence of Christianity after Arab conquest is irrelevant, in order to keep his claim that it didn't exist even though it would be factually incorrect.

Fact of the matter, Mauretania didn't exist except as a name for a region after 44 AD as the Roman Empire divided it into two provinces and then three provinces. Even the Encyclopaedia Brittanica Bitton used said so:[1]. No matter what compromise I make, they absolutely refuse to cede even an inch. IRGCfan (talk) 00:33, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Six years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:57, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

How to nominate an article for deletion

Doug, I want to nominate Names and titles of God in the New Testament for deletion, but Wikipedia's guidelines leave me none the wiser on how to start the process. Can you suggest what I should do? (I anticipate strong opposition from one editor, agreement from others). PiCo (talk) 10:34, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

@PiCo: what's your rationale? Twinkle does it automatically by the way. Doug Weller talk 10:59, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

The rationale is that the article has no rationale - the name of God in the New Testament is God (Theos in Greek), and his title is Lord (kyrios): enough information for exactly one sentence. A user who seems to be affiliated with Divine Name has padded it out to absurd lengths.PiCo (talk)

@PiCo:, with great respect, let me express that the fact that you do not agree with the different scholarly points of view does not mean that they are "absurd". Regarding your statement "Irrelevant - this isd about Jesus and the NT", let me tell you that the tetragrammaton hypothesis in the NT is not an obstacle to a trinitarian view. At least 14 scholars who propose the existence of the Name of God in the New Testament can be cited. Someone can quote one that proposes an original Κύριος or θεος in unavailable New Testament manuscripts, and even if there was one, it would be against 14, and with the state of the current erudition, some plausible explanations must be found. Jairon Levid Abimael Caál Orozco (talk) 16:35, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

I'd participate in that deletion debate just for the craic. -Roxy, the dog. wooF 16:17, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Can some cite someone who says that "the name of God in the New Testament is God (Theos in Greek)"?. Jairon Levid Abimael Caál Orozco (talk) 16:44, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Jairon Levid Abimael Caál Orozco I really don't want to discuss the article here. Doug Weller talk 17:38, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

I'm sorry Doug, I think I left the topic. Jairon Levid Abimael Caál Orozco (talk) 17:47, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

But I still can't work out how to start the listing process. ::::I anticipate plenty of craic, Roxy, and I'm ready for it. PiCo (talk) 23:58, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

@PiCo: I don't know why you don't want to use Twinkle, but if you won't, I'll do it for you. Write a rationale based on its lack of notability and put it here. Doug Weller talk 05:37, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

AfD - Names and Titles of God in the New Testament

Names and titles of God in the New Testament has been nominated for deletion. As this is an article you may have an interest in, you are invited to comment at [2]. PiCo (talk) 08:57, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Message

I left you a response on my User Talk page, but I don't know if Wikipedia automatically gives you a notification, so I'm leaving this here in case it does not.Tym Whittier (talk) 16:58, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Rashida Tlaib

Hi, I see that you put talk page notices on the top of the talk page that Rashida Tlaib is currently under several DS sanction areas. However, I am not sure if you logged it, I didn't check. But more importantly, you didn't place an edit notice on the actual page itself which is required, and I also don't think the page should be under ARBPIA sanction. We shouldn't restrict pages when fewer sanctions can be applied. BLP obviously applies, as does US politics, but I don't see how her entire page should be under ARBPIA subject area. Thanks. In any event, the page requires an edit notice, not just a talk page notice. Thanks. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 20:55, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

@Sir Joseph:, "the area of conflict in this case shall be considered to be the entire set of Arab-Israeli conflict-related articles, broadly interpreted." However the specific sanctions only apply to pages that are "reasonably construed". This may all be revisited this year but no edit notice is required as there are no specific sanctions on the page, and we don't automatically log pages that don't have such sanctions. Doug Weller talk 11:14, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

@Sir Joseph: You should not be commenting on ARBPIA sanctions, since you are topic banned from the area. But for what it's worth, I think Doug got it exactly right here. This is "broadly construed" to be in the topic area, but not "reasonably construed", so only DS are active. Placing a template noting that DS are active requires no logging. The template isn't even required; it's just a courtesy notification. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 14:17, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

COI?

You know your way around WP and its partners much better than I, so I bring this query to you. I have just come across Wikipedia:GLAM/BEIC, which begins its article with "We". Doesn't such a personal statement breach WP:NPOV? I don't doubt the great value of the project's work, but do wonder who is monitoring the work of its "Wikipedian in residence", who seems mainly responsible for contributing to that page and supervising the project's alumni. What important fact am I missing? Sweetpool50 (talk) 09:24, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

@Sweetpool50: First, it is not an article, so WP:NPOV does not apply. Second, museums and cultural archives are exempted from WP:COI. Tgeorgescu (talk) 11:27, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Blacklisted

Hello Doug, Thanks for keeping wikipedia clean. Your revert was on the basis of the quoted scientific paper being published at a Journal (Archeological Discovery) from a company, SCIRP that is blacklisted. However, I can see some serious scholars (professors) publishing at Archeological Discovery. Who decides that overall each and every one of the 200 journals are not trustworthy? Is this worth discussing with the community? --Batdegroot67 (talk) 13:26, 17 May 2019 (UTC)Bernard

@Batdegroot67: As reliability is not the default anyway, I think we start with why should we use it as a source? Look at this recently published article.[3] Of course Robert Schoch is well known to be WP:Fringe, but look where both authors are: "Institute for the Study of the Origins of Civilization, College of General Studies, Boston University." which is affiliate with this place. The other author is an "independent researcher".[https://www.scirp.org/Journal/PaperInformation.aspx?PaperID=83873] Doug Weller talk 16:09, 17 May 2019 (UTC) By the way, Scrip.org is on our blacklist so I had to "nowiki" it. Doug Weller talk 16:10, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Some advice needed

Hey Doug, since I'm still fairly new I was wondering if you know any editors I can consult with. For example, there's this article about a murder suspect from a notable case. Does that make the suspect notable? Since the only thing this person is famous for is killing a kid, I don't think it meets WP:PERP. Obviously this is one example, but I don't want to assume I'm always right. Is there a place I could consult with fellow editors in cases like this besides the talk page?

Oh and just in case you're curious, this is the article in question: Jos B. Alex.osheter (talk) 13:39, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

@Alex.osheter: interesting. The Dutch article on the case[4] mentions the suspect but he has no article of his own. That doesn't prove anything though. The place for this issue is WP:BLPN. Be aware that not every post there gets a detailed response. Doug Weller talk 15:39, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Glenn Greenwald

Mr. Weller, you told me to source my claims and that's what I did (with a WaPo article). Then you 'sanctioned' me for doing it. Greenwald has described himself as an activist journalist (see the source I provided). And he is best known for his journalism, not being a lawyer, so I disagree with your point on that. He doesn't practice law. Anyway, I thought I was adding value to the page by pointing out an important piece of background information on the source of a quote. Thanks for your attention and I resent your sanctioning me. Ahjotina (talk) 17:32, 17 May 2019

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@Abjotina: I haven't sanctioned you. I think you misread the alert. Doug Weller talk 18:35, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

ARBPIA

Doug, you're mistaken in telling Alex.osheter that ARBPIA doesn't apply to him yet. this AfD he created clearly falls into the discretionary sanctions provisions. More eyes on this editor would be good. Tsumikiria⧸ 🌹🌉 04:23, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

@Tsumikiria: I'm puzzled. I told him "you don't have to worry if you follow the above and WP:AGF (even if others don't)." The "above" was the alert and information about ECP, etc. I can't see how you got the idea I told him it didn't apply to him yet. Doug Weller talk 09:33, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Hope your well

Just popped in to do a few things out of the blue. Noticed this, wondered how I and everyone else missed it the last few years it was up, haha. If the user wasn't already indeffed for the last 2 years I'd recommend their edits be gone over with a fine tooth comb. Not sure if it was malicious or if they really had absolutely no clue what they were talking about, but the addition of "the southern shores of the Great Lakes at Western New York and Western Pennsylvania" to an article about the Mississippian culture is about as accurate as saying they were in Arizona. I actually laughed a little when I first spotted it. Though I'd spread the mirth. Anyways, hope you're well and keeping up the good fight. Heiro 08:32, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Ashdod

Hey, isn't the article's History section pretty good evidence for continued inhabitance? Alex.osheter (talk) 18:13, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

@Alex.osheter: sorry Alex, it actually isn't. It says things such as "destroyed", that the modern city is near the ancient site (implying that there is a discontinuance), and above all, we need archaeological sources stating that. I found one ancient city that was deserted for centuries before being refounded in the late 19th century. That was one of the oldest but not oldest continually inhabited - same for Jericho. One line in Ashdod is "In 950 BCE Ashdod was destroyed during Pharaoh Siamun's conquest of the region. The city was not rebuilt until at least 815 BCE." The article really needs good sources. By the way, you forgot to mention which source you were unhappy with when you posted to the talk page. I don't think I'll have time tonight to look at it though. Doug Weller talk 18:21, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Fair point. Okay, then could you remove the link that sent me to that page in the first place? Since it's an incorrect statement. I also updated the Talk page, it's just a quick edit. Replace "www" with "archive". Cheers, Alex.osheter (talk) 18:28, 18 May 2019 (UTC)