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Claim that Scott Baio is no longer an actor

There is an editor who keeps editing the article with the claim that Scott Baio is no longer an actor--keeps adding the word "former" before the description of "actor". I would like that editor to provide a reliable source to support such an edit and also to discuss the other edits which add questionable information to the article. Please do not re-add that information until you discuss right here on the talk page.ML (talk) 14:37, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Apparently IMDB is not reliable? It doesn't matter. I'm done with Scott Baio (NotHoratio (talk) 17:55, 20 July 2016 (UTC))

It does matter. You did not provide a citation to IMDB that said what you claimed it said. IMDB did not say what you claimed. Please do not make up "facts" and put in them in the article, supporting them with citations that do not state what you claim they state.--ML (talk) 14:39, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Claiming that he is a "former actor" is pointless, his acting is what he was best known for, but I'm not so sure about deleting other details. As has been mentioned above his comments on Twitter are indicative of his politics. Calling Michelle Obama a cunt and his outburst directed at Obama, seemed to get more than enough coverage to considered notable. -- 109.79.117.155 (talk) 20:33, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Barista flap

I keep seeing reports that Baio had an altercation with a barista, some say there was a battery-shove, some not. The argument started, supposedly, over the barista's refusal to pronounce the name of Donald Trump. I can not find a reliable source for this story, but if someone can, it might be worth putting in the article. 96.90.200.185 (talk) 23:44, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Co star death controversy

Erin Moran, known as Joanie on Happy Days, passed away recently and before a cause of death was determined, Baio made inappropriate comments regarding Morans use of drugs and wrongly proclaimed that as the cause of death . Baio then apologized when the cause of death was determined to be complications of stage 4 cancer. 24.69.165.94 (talk) 01:20, 27 April 2017 (UTC)31jetjet

References

Sandy Hook/Heather Heyer

I removed an earlier version that was heavily POV and unsourced. The new version was sourced and needed ust a few tweaks to clean up the POV and such.

Yes, Baio retweeted a Sandy Hook "truther" tweet, apparently meant to insinuate that Heyer's death (and the deaths at the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting are hoaxes. Yes, folks on the 'net took him to task for it, he pulled down the tweet and says he wishes he hadn't sent it.

While there is little to say about Baio in the past few years outside of his fiery political grandstanding, I don't think that serves to lower the bar for inclusion here. There just doesn't seem to be substantial coverage in independent reliable sources showing that this particular incidence of stepping in it is a significant aspect of Biao's biography.

I don't think this fits in at the moment. While I wouldn't be surprised to see a source surface discussing this and the Erin Moran dust up as being in some way related, I don't think we're there yet. Thoughts? - SummerPhD^v2.0 21:02, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Explain why I added "that"

I changed the following sentence to insert the bold "that":

On August 26, 2017, Baio re-tweeted a Sandy Hook "truther" meme, insinuating that the recent death of Heather Heyer was a hoax.

User:SummerPhDv2.0 reverted it, correctly pointing out that the word "that" adds no meaning here, but that's not why I added it. I added it to improve the flow: when you're scanning the sentence, it's easy to try to parse "insinuating the recent death" with "the recent death" being the subjectobject of the verb "insinuating", and only once you get to "was a hoax", you realise your mistake. The word "that" basically keeps it from being a mild form of garden path sentence. --Slashme (talk) 15:42, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

<sarcasm>Summary: The reason that you added that "that" was so that that sentence would indicate that that insinuation referred to that death. I might have to look into that.</sarcasm>

I can't begin to see any other meaning in the sentence without that "that". - SummerPhD^v2.0 16:22, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

I agree that once you get to the end of the sentence, it's absolutely unambiguous. I put the word in because while I was reading it for the first time, I found myself having to re-parse halfway through, so I added it to make it read a little more smoothly. It essentially signals that a new clause follows so that your brain doesn't need to figure out whether the next phrase is the object of "insinuating", or whether the whole clause is the object. --Slashme (talk) 17:43, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Photo

"The existing picture in this biography is of extremely poor quality and is out of date. It appears that whoever loaded it intended to either defame or slander Mr. Baio by using an inferior picture or took the photograph themselves without the subject's consent. To improve the quality of the article, I recommend the picture be revised immediately." - File page of soon-to-be-deleted professional shot.

Yes, the current photo is old and of low quality. That said, we cannot just grab a professional headshot, claim fair use and start using it.

To use a photo here, it must be released from copyright, not copyrighted or not replaceable. "Released from copyright" involves the author of the photo specifically posts a notice with the image essentially saying anyone can use it for just about anything. (That's clearly not the case here, so my unfamiliarity with the details doesn't really matter...) "Not copyrighted" generally applies to very old works, works created by the U.S. Government (such as the current photo) and a bunch of other cases that do not apply here. This leaves us with "not replaceable", which Wikipedia generally applies to: people who have died, people who are extremely reclusive, fictional characters, etc., such that it is impossible for someone to take a photo of that person in public and make it available to use. Baio is neither dead, reclusive nor fictional. It is theoretically possible for someone to take a photo of him and release it here.

As for the claims that a low quality/old photo is defamation or slander, the claim is laughable, else people posting photos of me from high school on Facebook are in serious trouble. The photo sucks, but it doesn't say or imply anything negative about Baio, let alone something we have any reason to doubt.

The claim that it was taken "without the subject's consent" is immaterial. (It's also simply not true. When you join a line of people shaking hands with Nancy Reagan with a photographer taking a picture of each one, you can't reasonably claim you didn't want to be in a picture.[1])

But let's ignore all of that. Let's assume all of these horrible things about the current photo are true. OMG! What can we do?!?! Simple. Remove it. Alleged problems solved. Using a different photo is a separate issue.

We can discuss whether or not we should continue to use the current photo. Anyone interested can certainly look for a replacement (I'm guessing there might be something out there from Baio's activities in support of Trump). Until either of those occurs, the photo stays. - SummerPhD^v2.0 13:07, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Archive box

The archive box on this page does not link to the talk page archives. It links to a long list of random Wikipedia articles. Can somebody who understands User:ClueBot III/ArchiveThis fix this please? 2001:BB6:4703:4A58:5081:C294:44B8:F581 (talk) 15:06, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

I've made an edit to the configuration at the top of this page. I don't know how often the bot looks at the configuration or recompiles the index. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:49, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

I suggest you wait at least 48 days hours after each configuration change before deciding whether it has worked. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:54, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Good point. Will do. 2001:BB6:4703:4A58:5081:C294:44B8:F581 (talk) 19:56, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Wait. 48 days? Did you mean 48 hours? 2001:BB6:4703:4A58:5081:C294:44B8:F581 (talk) 19:57, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Oops, corrected. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:58, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

This issue has been mentioned at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Archive box problem. John of Reading had the right idea However, I've made an immediate fix here by converting the page to using numbered archives and letting the talk header take over the archive box function ... since we have one here, why not use it? The initial archiving would have turned out the same whether the bot had been instructed to archive by year or numerically. Do note that I've had a dispute with DanielPenfield about a related issue at Talk:Triangular trade#Archiving of 12 year old discussions, so this might colour my views here. If you think I'm way out of line, feel free to change the archiving system back. Graham87 06:00, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Also, once I'd changed the archive fconfiguration, ClueBot III rewrote its index within a minute. Graham87 06:10, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

That looks perfect now, Graham. Thanks. As a matter of interest, have you any idea what caused the bot to do this? --2001:BB6:4703:4A58:39D4:8D7F:35E2:1 (talk) 11:21, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

No worries. As described in the above-linked village pump thread, it was caused by the fact that the name of the talk page wasn't specified, so the bot spat out a list of page titles that seems fairly similar to the list at Special:Allpages. Graham87 14:27, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Sandy Hook meme

In the sentence, "On August 26, 2017, Baio re-tweeted a Sandy Hook "truther" meme, insinuating that the recent death of Heather Heyer was a hoax", please change the link from Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting to Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting conspiracy theories. Also, please add an explanation of the connection between Sandy Hook and Heather Heyer, e.g. "...insinuating that the recent death of Heather Heyer was a hoax, and claiming that the mother of Heather Heyer was the same person as the mother of one of the Sandy Hook victims." 2001:BB6:4703:4A58:CC4A:21F3:2F33:20B2 (talk) 11:27, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

 Done Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 21:21, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Birth date needs cite

BLP bio otherwise. Here is one {{cite web|url=https://www.biography.com/people/scott-baio-248812| title=Scott Baio: Television Producer, Actor, Television Actor (1960–)|publisher=Biography.com|archivedate=October 13, 2018|archiveurl=http://archive.is/OqA34|deadurl=no}}</ref>> --2604:2000:1382:C5DD:0:DA07:D6E:614D (talk) 13:52, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  Spintendo  13:33, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Biography.com is WP:RS. There was even a WP:RfC about that. Without a cite, we can't give a birth date at all per WP:BLP.--2604:2000:1382:C5DD:0:DA07:D6E:614D (talk) 19:15, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

I've added the biography.com ref. I'm not seeing a dispute over his age. --Ronz (talk) 21:33, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

I've started a new discussion below on his birth year. --Ronz (talk) 22:04, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Could someone flesh out Early life with this from 1977 interview

Also, here is source for some of his early life. Note that, according to every other biographical source, he lied about his age in this interview. Actors often do that. There's not really any reason for him to have lied about his grade school or where he was born, though: {{cite news|title= An Intimate Interview with Scott Baio|work=[[16 (magazine)|16]]| volume=19|issue=2|date=August 1977|publisher=16 Magazines, Inc.}}

I was born on September 22, 1962 in Brooklyn Methodist Hospital, in Brooklyn, New York. ... My mom is Rose and my dad's Mario. He's a used car dealer in Brooklyn ... My brother is Steven and my sister is Stephanie -- they're twins. They're 19 and they both go to college. ... I started out in public school -- I went to kindergarten at P.S. 201 in Brooklyn. ... [F]rom first to eighth grades I was at St. Bernadette's, also in Brooklyn. ... I had an older cousin who was acting and when I was about 8, I got interested. So I went to see some agents and managers and pretty soon I got my first commercial. ... After that I acted in some plays and did some modeling in magazines. When I got the part in Bugsy Malone, I really hadn't been doing anything for a while. ...But I liked Bugsy, and when they were casting for Blansky's Beauties, I decided to try out.

--2604:2000:1382:C5DD:0:DA07:D6E:614D (talk) 13:52, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: This would make the subject 14yo during the interview, one month shy of turning 15, where he doesn't describe any schooling past the intermediate level. How reliable is an interview with someone spending their 2nd consecutive year as an eighth grader?  Spintendo  13:43, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Actor lie about their ages all the time; that's not the point of the above. Actors don't normally lie about where they were born or their parents' names or where they went to grade school and like that — all of which we have the subject saying in a direct interview in an RS source. --2604:2000:1382:C5DD:0:DA07:D6E:614D (talk) 19:18, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Birth year

Past discussion: Talk:Scott_Baio/Archive_1#Birth_year

Some early press might help clear it up. He's quoted as saying he was 13 when shooting Bugsy, but as far as I can tell, it was a relatively quickly made film.

I think 1960 is questionable enough that it requires better sources to stand alone. --Ronz (talk) 22:02, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

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Hmmm. --Ronz (talk) 23:23, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

The 1961 birth date has a Time cite, and thank you for that. We still need a cite for "1960" though, or it can't really stay, per BLP.--2604:2000:1382:E2B2:0:DA07:D6E:614D (talk) 19:35, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 December 2018

Year of birth

In an interview on January 12, 1980 he said he is age 18 years old, making his birth year 1961.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TES4kNzXiO4

5.41.17.226 (talk) 16:34, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

 Not done. Not a secondary source, see MOS:OPENPARABIO, and that doesn't automatically imply a birth year, even if we could assume it were true. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 17:10, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Reversion of explanation of Sexual Assault Claim

I have reverted the deletion of a minor edit by dmies that removed the reason Baio claimed Eggert's claims against him had been undermined by her own prior words. It provides a useful explanation of a well established element of the page and is notable. I'd request it not be deleted again without consensus.

User Ronz has now followed me to this article, as well as a prior article I edited, and undone my edits. This is not normal protocol for editing disputes Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution#Follow_the_normal_protocol. I would appreciate other editors weighing on on this before I decide whether escalation is justified.