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:::{{Reply to|Kbhatt22}} The sentence on BAPS focuses on the work that specifically influenced society in the wake of a natural disaster. The inclusion of the UN is appropriate here because they are involved in humanitarian efforts that impact society. Additionally, it is sourced to an independent, scholarly source and not the institution's own website. I see you have posted your proposed version of the edit on my [[User:Harshmellow717/sandbox|sandbox]]. Let us continue any further discussion regarding this topic on the talk page of my sandbox. [[User:Harshmellow717|Harshmellow717]] ([[User talk:Harshmellow717|talk]]) 07:01, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
:::{{Reply to|Kbhatt22}} The sentence on BAPS focuses on the work that specifically influenced society in the wake of a natural disaster. The inclusion of the UN is appropriate here because they are involved in humanitarian efforts that impact society. Additionally, it is sourced to an independent, scholarly source and not the institution's own website. I see you have posted your proposed version of the edit on my [[User:Harshmellow717/sandbox|sandbox]]. Let us continue any further discussion regarding this topic on the talk page of my sandbox. [[User:Harshmellow717|Harshmellow717]] ([[User talk:Harshmellow717|talk]]) 07:01, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
::::{{Reply to|Harshmellow717}} We should keep the discussion here since it relates to content on this article. Your points make sense, and I would like to propose Edit #3. It uses the word 'organ' instead of 'eye' and 'body' because it's less confusing and strange than mentioning both 'eye' and 'body' donations as separate. {{Reply to|Kbhatt22}} while the [[Laxmi Narayan Dev Gadi]] may not have a section, this may be the right opportunity to develop one, and all details you want to incorporate can be included there. [[User:Moksha88|Moksha88]] ([[User talk:Moksha88|talk]]) 17:43, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
::::{{Reply to|Harshmellow717}} We should keep the discussion here since it relates to content on this article. Your points make sense, and I would like to propose Edit #3. It uses the word 'organ' instead of 'eye' and 'body' because it's less confusing and strange than mentioning both 'eye' and 'body' donations as separate. {{Reply to|Kbhatt22}} while the [[Laxmi Narayan Dev Gadi]] may not have a section, this may be the right opportunity to develop one, and all details you want to incorporate can be included there. [[User:Moksha88|Moksha88]] ([[User talk:Moksha88|talk]]) 17:43, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
::::{{Reply to|Kbhatt22}} It appears that consensus is to not add the information you are proposing to the article here, but rather to the [[Laxmi Narayan Devi Gadi]]. I think it would help enhance that article further.[[User:Apollo1203|Apollo1203]] ([[User talk:Apollo1203|talk]]) 20:12, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
:::::{{Reply to|Kbhatt22}} It appears that consensus is to not add the information you are proposing to the article here, but rather to the [[Laxmi Narayan Devi Gadi]]. I think it would help enhance that article further.[[User:Apollo1203|Apollo1203]] ([[User talk:Apollo1203|talk]]) 20:12, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

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Schismatic groups

I would want to know as to the following of each in terms of numbers. Its important as if the following is the same then the views should be represented equally. Wikidās ॐ 08:25, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Title

Name does not sound right. I propose it be moved to either Swaminarayan Faith or Succession of Swaminarayan. Wheredevelsdare (talk) 14:09, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, I like Swaminarayan Faith    Juthani1   tcs 19:30, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You can look up on how exactly this works with other groups. I think a good example is Bahá'í Faith article. Its featured and can used as an example to where to go from here. Wikidās ॐ 20:27, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
 Done - Wheredevelsdare (talk) 22:19, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Should "Faith" and/or "Sect" in the title be capitalized? I could be wrong, but it seems to me that only Swaminarayan should be capitalized, since "faith" is not the only formal term used for the tradition, and is used for the article to make the distinction between the faith and the religious leader. --Shruti14 t c s 16:00, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. Around The Globeसत्यमेव जयते 15:59, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree from what I read this may be blasphemous to Hinduism. BAPS financing is also not clear whether this is a commercial enterprise or a genuine religious organization. This is worship of the person swaminarayan just like sai baba who is inspired by muslim influences and some people still consider Hinduism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.49.150.167 (talk) 00:07, 1 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Denomination?

Is the Swaminarayan faith considered Shaivism, Shaktism, Vaishnavism, or Smartha? Sylvain1972 (talk) 17:07, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is considered a denomination of vaishnavism by most, however some believe it is a denomination of its own    World   tcs 20:15, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think the intro should characterize it as Swaminarayan Vaishnavism or Swaminarayan Vaishnavist Hinduism then. As a westerner having delved into the topic of Hinduism, I agree with the Indic sentiment that there is not really a religion called "Hinduism", but since most westerners use to believe there is, the "Hinduism" (similar to Abrahamite) may still be retained. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 22:31, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
See my comment above, that's the only problem with doing that The World 12:38, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This should be a denomination on its own — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.171.129.133 (talk) 06:35, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It is a sub-denomination within Vaishnava Hinduism, much like Gaudiya Vaishnavism (ISKCON sect). The present title doesn't really make sense since it's not its own brand of Hinduism; rather, it is a sect of subsect within Hinduism. It would be more appropriate to move the article back to its previous name of Swaminarayan faith or Swaminarayan sect. Or perhaps it could be renamed to something like Swaminarayan (sect) to indicate that its name is Swaminarayan (and not Swaminarayan Faith, as in the case of the Baha'i Faith, but that it is a faith community as distinguished from Swaminarayan the spiritual leader who is the founder of the faith group. --Shruti14 talk • sign 01:45, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in Swaminarayan Faith

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Swaminarayan Faith's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "isbn8170247985":

  • From Shikshapatri: M. G. Chitkara (1997). Hindutva. APH. Retrieved March 26, 2009. Page 230
  • From Desh Vibhag Lekh: M. G. Chitkara (1997). Hindutva. APH. Retrieved March 26, 2009. Page 228
  • From Shri Swaminarayan Mandir, Vadtal: M. G. Chitkara (1997). Hindutva. APH. pp. 227–228. Retrieved June 10, 2009.
  • From Vachanamrut: M. G. Chitkara (1997). Hindutva. APH. p. 228. Retrieved June 13, 2009.
  • From Swaminarayan Sampraday: M. G. Chitkara (1997). Hindutva. APH. p. 230. Retrieved June 17, 2009.

Reference named "isbn8120606515":

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 10:24, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

https://indiankanoon.org/doc/145565 laxmikant (talk) 03:00, 30 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

New information

Keeping in mind some information has been transplanted here from Swaminarayan, the article now gives information on both the Faith (or belief) and Succession. Should the article title be changed to reflect the same - Swaminarayan Faith and Succession or Swaminarayan Hinduism? Around The Globeसत्यमेव जयते 10:43, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I strongly agree. The name of the article must reflect the information. I think Swaminarayan Hinduism would be a suitable name. Swaminarayan Faith and Succession, to me at least, feels like there is a bit of repetition. The faith includes succession, if you see what I mean. World (talk • contributions) 18:34, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

There are a number of academic and journalistic sources that provide an (at times highly critical) analysis of the evolution and social function of the faith. These should be covered in this article, and some use of the would be essential, should it be nominated at any future stage for Good Article status:

  • Rohit Barot, 'Religion, migration and wealth creation in the Swaminarayan Movement', in Bryceson, Deborah and Ulla Vuorela (eds), The Transnational Family".
  • Rohit Barot has written books that would also prbably touch on the subject and should be checked at some stage.
  • David Hardiman, "Class base of Swaminarayan sect", Economic and Political Weekly, 10 September 1988 (subscription needed, or library access)
  • Makrand Mehta, controversial article in the Gujarati-language journal of the Centre for Social Studies, Surat, 1986

Suggestions

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  • "The Swaminarayan faith has a large percentage of Hindus who are followers of Swaminarayan." what how it mean? Are there non-Hindu Swaminarayans?
  • "India, Britain, and the United States." Form sentences. A section on distribution of Swaminarayan Hindus is necessary
  • Instead of having a section titled "Succession of Swaminarayan", I suggest a layout of:
    • "Common beliefs"
    • Common History: who is Swaminarayan? Sampradaya and reason of schisms
    • Separate sections on each sect within S.Hinduism. Highlight differences in philosophies, succession etc. A short history of each within the sect section. Chief Temples and leaders by each sect. Organization of each sect.
      • Swaminarayan Sampraday
      • BAPS
      • et al
    • Relations of the schisms (approval/criticism of each other etc.)

--Redtigerxyz Talk 13:44, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Swaminarayan faith can be considered an "original" work by wikipedia standards as Hinduism already has an established collection of authentic books. remove swaminarayan from wikipedia hindu references as per wikipedia standards please and also other faiths like sai baba and iskcon claiming to be hindu faiths . please

Swaminarayan and ISKCON are established, widely recognized faith communities that are sub-denominations of Vaishnavism, which itself is a major denomination of Hinduism. Thus they are not merely 'claiming to be hindu faiths' as you say. They are actually validly classified as part of Hinduism and recognized as such by scholars, legal systems, and governments. --Shruti14 talk • sign 01:47, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia standards are based on reliable sources and there are sources that clearly point to both ISKCON and Swaminarayan being recognized and widely accepted subgroups within Vaishnavism which itself is one of the major branches of the Hindu faith. --Shruti14 talk • sign 01:56, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Gunatit Samaj edits by Apollo1203 and Moksha88 are factually incorrect and the "reputable" sources are one-sided thus they are not reputable. Reputable accounts can be found on gunatitjyot.org and kakaji.org as they consider points of views from all parties who are involved with the discussion of the Gunait Samaj.

Name change & lede

Name change given for reasons mentioned above - it does not make sense to call the article 'Swaminarayan Hinduism' since that is not an official name for it and frankly it is not some special brand of Hinduism. More properly it is a spiritual tradition within the Vaishnava major sect of Hinduism. It is also not known as Swaminarayan Faith officially (akin to Baha'i Faith) nor is it officially known as the Swaminarayan Sect. Its name is simply Swaminarayan. Changed the title of the article accordingly, with a parenthetical explanation that this is a spiritual tradition to distinguish from the spiritual leader with the same name who is the founder of the sect whose biographical article also bears the name Swaminarayan. Also edited the lede to clarify that this is a branch of Vaishnava Hinduism. --Shruti14 talk • sign 01:55, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

https://indiankanoon.org/doc/145565 it is not Hinduism at all, it is business. laxmikant (talk) 03:02, 30 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hinduism

Please remove references to Hinduism in this article. This sect is already falsely claiming to be the largest Hindu temple. Please stop misinformation if you believe in a God. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.55.34.248 (talk) 12:21, 23 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Fan POV Tag

WP:Conachieve can you please explain why this tag was placed? There has not been a discussion about this tag.Treehugger8891 (talk) 02:08, 2 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Treehugger8891:, agreed. I'm tagging @Harshil169: to explain the reasoning. Moksha88 (talk) 21:47, 2 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Moksha88 If someone is reading article then it can be clearly understandable that it’s written from point of view from person who follows it. On Wikipedia, articles related to religion must adhere NPOV and secondary and tertiary sources which critically examine one religion. Also, many details in the article is unnecessary for common person who just want to know about tradition but it may be necessary for fan/follower of sect. The article has systematic bias and thus, I’ve tshged this. Thanks— Harshil want to talk? 02:10, 3 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
The result of this discussion was to merge.

This article needs to be merged with Swaminarayan. Editor2020 (talk) 03:13, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Editor2020, I agree that this article should be merged though would like to suggest another article. This refers to the tradition founded by Swaminarayan. Just as there are separate articles for the founders of other faiths and the faith itself, I don’t think these articles should be merged. Instead, this article should be merged with the Swaminarayan Sampraday article. After a close review, the majority of scholarly sources use Swaminarayan Sampraday to refer to all the groups within this tradition (1). Some of the content in this article also duplicates what exists in the current Swaminarayan Sampraday article as noted by others. Moksha88 (talk) 04:21, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, you are correct. This article should be merged with Swaminarayan Sampraday. Editor2020 (talk) 04:25, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Editor2020, let me study these articles a bit more to identify how best to make the merger happen. I will then draft up an outline in my sandbox of steps moving forward. Moksha88 (talk) 03:55, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Editor2020, here's my suggested merger (1). If you agree, can you change the merge tags that you've currently placed to reflect the suggested merger? Per WP:PM, I will also invite other editors in the Swaminarayan Wikiproject for discussion given the complexity of the task at hand. Moksha88 (talk) 03:06, 20 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I don't believe I set any tags, just this mention on the Talk page. Editor2020 (talk) 22:46, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Editor2020, my mistake. I added the tags to all the pages. Please let me know if they look alright: Swaminarayan Sampraday, Swaminarayan (spiritual tradition)‎, Nar Narayan Dev Gadi, and Laxmi Narayan Dev Gadi. Thank you. Moksha88 (talk) 03:05, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Looking good. Editor2020 (talk) 03:16, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I came across this discussion on the wiki project. I agree with the proposed merger. However I feel we should move the 'Temples' section from the Sampraday article into the List of Swaminarayan Temples article.Actionjackson09 (talk) 12:18, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Moksha88 for posting on the Wikiproject page regarding this merge. I, too, agree on this merge and it also seems logical to move 'Temples' from the Swaminarayan Sampradaya article to "List of Swaminarayan Temples" article. Apollo1203 (talk) 15:21, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Actionjackson09 & Apollo1203, I think that makes sense and will adjust the tag accordingly. Moksha88 (talk) 19:42, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
In reviewing the Sampraday article, there's a significant amount of content lacking scholarly sources along with original research. I will begin posting excerpts on my sandbox (1) which need to be verified and/or rewritten and would appreciate both of your help. I will make these edits after I merge to avoid confusing content. Moksha88 (talk) 02:32, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
On closer review, I think 'Organization Structure' from the Sampraday article is best suited for articles dedicated to each of the diocese. I have revised the structure accordingly. Moksha88 (talk) 03:39, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hey everyone, came across this conversation after I joined the Swaminarayan wikiproject. Thanks to (talk) for succinctly visualizing what sections from the spiritual tradition would merge into the main page under. I happen to also think that this merge should happen and agree with the editor above that the 'Temples" section should be in the list of swaminarayan temples article. The organizations within the swaminarayan sampraday should also encompass the bit about the gunatit samaj from the spiritual traditions page. If you have not done so, review the chart on Moksha88's sandbox. I believe this grouping is the best for this proposed merge. ThaNDNman224 (talk) 04:19, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate everyone's input. As this discussion has been ongoing for at least 7 days and we have unanimous consensus to move forward, I will close this thread and begin the merger. Thank you Editor2020 for starting this process. Actionjackson09, Apollo1203, ThaNDNman224, we will need to do a lot of verifying and copy editing in the coming days.
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Requested move 31 December 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Page moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jerm (talk) 15:55, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Swaminarayan (spiritual tradition) → Swaminarayan Sampradaya – Based on my research and the n-gram result, I am requesting to move the current article, to change the title to Swaminarayan Sampradaya as it is more appropriate. Apollo1203 (talk) 08:21, 31 December 2019 (UTC) —Relisting.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:37, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I supporting moving the article as it reflects scholarly consensus (1). In merging the pages, I didn't realize I couldn't simply rename the page and would have suggested merging in the opposite direction. Tagging Editor2020, Actionjackson09, ThaNDNman224 for comment. Moksha88 (talk) 18:07, 31 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at the previous comments I believe that the move and name change is warranted. Not sure where the "spiritual tradition" originated but it's not in line with other religious wikis here. It makes sense to me to change the title to what the editor above has said. I'd welcome any editors who have another opinion to chime in though! ThaNDNman224 (talk) 17:34, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Gunatit Samaj

The Gunatit Samaj edits by Apollo1203 and Moksha88 are factually incorrect and the "reputable" sources are one-sided thus they are not reputable. Reputable accounts can be found on gunatitjyot.org and kakaji.org as they consider points of views from all parties who are involved with the discussion of the Gunait Samaj. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C5:4293:D801:3825:56ED:593F:8259 (talk) 14:29, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Those are primary sources are do not meet the criteria for reliable sources as per WP:RS. Moksha88 (talk) 06:39, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Swaminarayan Mandir Vasna Sanstha: Notability

@Apollo1203: I saw you removed the section on the Swaminarayan Mandir Vasna Sanstha here from 'Major Branches' but reinserted it until you could explain your reasoning as per WP:ORGCRIT. Moksha88 (talk) 06:38, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Moksha88: I've removed the branch from the article as there is only 1 secondary source cited to the group. According to ORGCRIT, the subject needs significant sources to be viable. If you can find additional secondary sources besides the one that was cited, it can be added back into the article. Apollo1203 (talk) 03:18, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Apollo1203: You're right, there's not much to support the notability of this organization, only Raymond Williams's 2001 book and a brief mention in Gordan Melton's paper. While there are other newspaper articles referenced in the Swaminarayan Mandir Vasna Sanstha article, the depth of coverage is not significant. Moksha88 (talk) 17:20, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Humanitarian Service

@Kbhatt22: Your recent edits on the humanitarian service section list world records held by the Laxmi Narayan Dev Yuvak Mandal which to my knowledge is not a registered charitable organization. I think it is appropriate to limit this section to charitable organizations of the Swaminarayan sampradaya in an effort to keep this article focused as per WP:FALSEBALANCE. Additionally, the source “golden book of world records” seems dubious at least according to the editor in chief of India Book of Records (https://indiabookofrecords.in/fraudrecordbooks/) see, WP:QUESTIONABLE and its use here seems to promote the “golden book of world records” more than the activities of the Laxmi Narayan Dev Yuvak Mandal which is not a Wikipedia best practice WP:NOTPROMOTION. At the very least, I think we should 1) focus on the humanitarian activity and not the record, or 2) if the Laxmi Narayan Dev Yuvak Mandal is not a registered charitable organization, then I think these edits should be removed. Thoughts anyone?Harshmellow717 (talk) 01:41, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Harshmellow717: You make a great point and I agree with you. I think it would be better if it was kept out as well. Apollo1203 (talk) 18:42, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at the edit, I don’t think the criteria for WP:RS is met. @Kbhatt22:, do you have another reliable source to vouch for the work done? There is consensus here that the material doesn't adhere to a core policy, so I will remove it for now until you can provide a better reference. Moksha88 (talk) 03:03, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Harshmellow717: @Moksha88: This was already discussed on Apollo's talk page 2 days ago and the change was added back in. The Indian book of world records is not a registered entity and only existed for a few years as a competitor and that is not a reliable source. The source you are referencing is an opinion article from a smaller competitor record company. The Golden Book of Records is a registered publisher in India. They are recognized by another Indian entity http://www.worldrecordholdersclub.com/ http://www.worldrecordholdersclub.com/?p=339

This is another registered publisher recognizing their work. The Indian Book of Records(your citation) is another private record book holder only in existence since 2006 that in the article you listed is simply trying to downplay other record holder companies within India. Here is another article legitimizing Golden Book of World Records: https://www.timesnownews.com/india/article/international-yoga-day-2018-yoga-guru-baba-ramdev-world-records-rajasthan-kota-vasundhara-raje-acharya-balkrishna-rac-ground-guinness-golden-book/243582 https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/2-501-blood-tests-in-6-hours-madhya-pradesh-ngo-sets-new-world-record-1813105

Both Times Now and NDTV are legitimate news networks who cover world records tracked by Golden Book of World Records. I think there is no reason to question their source material.

Adding another national level news company's (Times of India) coverage of tracking done by Golden Book of World Records: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tv/news/hindi/roadies-11-contestant-navjyot-gurudutta-registered-among-the-list-of-worlds-top-100-influencing-sikh/articleshow/75434744.cms

Many big Indian media networks work with and cite Golden Book of World records honors. I don't think the Indian Book of Records is a legitimate source as they are a competitor with bias in the matter. Times of India, NDTV, and Times Now News have all used Golden Book of World Records as reference material. This meats Wikipedias source policy as it is used by

The focus is on the humanitarian efforts of 21,900 eye donations. They registered a world record which is documented proof that was simply used as citation. The Laxmi-Narayan Dev Yuvak Mandal is a registered entity of SVG Charity which is a 401c registered non-profit in the United States (http://www.swaminarayanvadtalgadi.org/charity/) but instead of using their official site as a source, i used an independent recognized record tracking company. Laxmi-narayan dev yuvak mandal is also the offical acting youth charity entity of the Vadtal gadi so does not trip the False Balance policy I believe.

@Kbhatt22: Please do not add any material for which consensus has not been reached. Doing so can be seen as being disruptive editing. For the time being, I have moved it to my sandbox where we can work on it together. Harshmellow717 (talk) 02:53, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Harshmellow717: Understood. I assumed all concerns were addressed in revisions but will keep this in mind for future.
@Harshmellow717: Where is you're sandbox?
@Kbhatt22:, I agree with your move to the sandbox for us to all review. Please make sure you include a link to your sandbox next time. @Kbhatt22:, there are several problems with this edit. First, the section is entitled, "Humanitarian Service, which is nested under "Influence on Society." In the edit you included, the focus should be on the actual donations because it is an example of the humanitarian activity which has impacted society. By emphasizing the Golden Book of Records, the service is considered a promotional activity, so I proposed a simpler version which integrates the details at the end of the prior paragraph. The policy WP:NOTPROMO is very clear here, and promotional matter lowers the quality of the article. In this past, this article was tagged for not having encyclopedic material. If you do want to include those details, I think you should cite them in the Laxmi Narayan Dev Gadi article. For example, BAPS Charities has more details in the BAPS article than this article which focuses on the entire Swaminarayan Sampradaya. Also, please make sure to sign your comments as it becomes very difficult to identify who is who. Moksha88 (talk) 03:29, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Kbhatt22: I agree with what @Harshmellow717: and @Moksha88: have outlined above. I think it would be best to move those details to the Laxmi Narayan Dev Gadi article.Apollo1203 (talk) 03:42, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Apollo1203: ::@Moksha88: ::@Harshmellow717: I agree with all the points all 3 of you mentioned. My concern is the Laxmi Narayan Dev Gadi article doesn't have a dedicated humanitarian service section and doesn't need it for 1 line. I saw that the following line was posted in that section: "Following the devastating earthquake in Gujarat in 2001, they rebuilt 15 villages and neighborhoods and 39 schools. For its work, BAPS has been granted consultative status with the Economic and Social Council of the United Nations" I tried to use a similar format to list the humanitarian service, eye donations, and then the source, golden book of world records. If that is a promotion violation, is the reference to the Social Council not also a promotion of that independent entity? How does this format sound "In 2013, under the guidance of Vadtal Acharya Ajendraprasadji Maharaj, Laxmi-Narayan Dev Yuvak Mandal registered 21,900 eye donations in one hour in an organ donation charity drive as well as the most body donations to medical sciences and studies with 352 registrants in a 12 hour window." It removes the text about record and company (only used as citation) designating the record but at this point there is no reason to question Golden book of world records as it is constantly used by 3 major news networks across India and recognized as a valid record tracking company by NDTV, Times of India, etc. I can see where my wording sem promotional so I simplified it. My concern with putting this in the Laxmi Narayan Dev Gadi article is that it is not enough to warrant a dedicated section. On the swaminarayan sampraday page, we have a section this fits in, and the service is by the Vadtal Diocese which is a large size group in the swaminarayan sampraday. Thank all 3 of you for the help. (talk) 05:42, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Kbhatt22: The sentence on BAPS focuses on the work that specifically influenced society in the wake of a natural disaster. The inclusion of the UN is appropriate here because they are involved in humanitarian efforts that impact society. Additionally, it is sourced to an independent, scholarly source and not the institution's own website. I see you have posted your proposed version of the edit on my sandbox. Let us continue any further discussion regarding this topic on the talk page of my sandbox. Harshmellow717 (talk) 07:01, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Harshmellow717: We should keep the discussion here since it relates to content on this article. Your points make sense, and I would like to propose Edit #3. It uses the word 'organ' instead of 'eye' and 'body' because it's less confusing and strange than mentioning both 'eye' and 'body' donations as separate. @Kbhatt22: while the Laxmi Narayan Dev Gadi may not have a section, this may be the right opportunity to develop one, and all details you want to incorporate can be included there. Moksha88 (talk) 17:43, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Kbhatt22: It appears that consensus is to not add the information you are proposing to the article here, but rather to the Laxmi Narayan Devi Gadi. I think it would help enhance that article further.Apollo1203 (talk) 20:12, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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