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Some baklava for you!

Looking through the nominations to see how to improve the article, thanks celestina007 Tundealuko (talk) 14:26, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

	Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2021!
	Dear Celestina007, warm wishes to you and your family throughout the holiday season. May your heart and home be filled with all of the joys the festive season brings. Here is a toast to a Merry Christmas and prosperous New Year!. scope_creepTalk 11:07, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Happy New Year

	Happy new year 2021 !
	Wish you a great New Year! Thanks and best regards RV (talk) 06:12, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thanks Hudlag (talk) 08:24, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi

@Celestina007 ,2 days ago you rejected the publishing of "Erica Nlewedim" page..please may I know what went wrong so that I can edit Justfrankleen (talk) 09:38, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi

Hello, how are you? Look at the article is well written, also would consider that you will observe this article with little information and without many references that prove its permanence by Wikipedia Richard Holzer if they delete mine they should also delete that without relevance. Secretsgenius (talk) 18:10, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

@Secretsgenius, no, I wouldn’t do such. Celestina007 (talk) 00:00, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

I wanted to say hello!!

Hi there! I'm new around here and I'd love to get to know you! :) Elise (she/her/hers) (talk) 18:38, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

@BoundlessElise, hello there, & welcome to the family. Pretty much everything you need to know about me is on my Userpage. I’m open to answer more personal questions from you, however, if you are a young editor, (arbitrarily I set that at 18 & younger) ensure never to give away personal information to anyone and even if older, not sharing your personal information is a good idea, as our edits here have real life consequences on a global scale. If you have any question or questions pertaining to editing in general you may ask me or if you like, for a faster response you may go directly to the WP:TEAHOUSE & ask your questions and it would be answered almost instantaneously. Once again, welcome to the family.Celestina007 (talk) 19:08, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! I'm a wikiHow user by the same username, so Wikipedia editing should be easy. Elise (she/her/hers) (talk) 17:15, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

How do I change my username to reflect my real name? I signed up with my pseudonym but now I want to change my username to reflect my birth name :) Elise (she/her/hers) (talk) 17:16, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

I changed my username! Thanks for the help :D Aditi (she/her/hers) (talk) 17:24, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Done updating

Hi, Cele. I am done updating the draft Draft:Emmanuel Nuhu Kure. I hope it's well done! Kambai Akau (talk) 14:12, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

hello, i did take a second look & unfortunately i can’t accept it at this moment. Frankly speaking I don’t think you followed the advice i left on your tp. There seems to be a lot of ref bombing with what’s best described as fake referencing, for example this source as many other sources listed in the article don’t even name drop the subject of the article. At this point I’d leave it to another uninvolved reviewer to make the decisions. Another problem is, some of the book sources used were written by the article’s subject himself and some of the other sources are definitely paid for. In order not to poison the well, I’m leaving this comment here & not at the AFC itself, giving an uninvolved reviewer the chance to make their own decisions. I hope you do understand. Celestina007 (talk) 23:20, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007: -- Paid for! Okay o. No problems. I would really appreciate help on this article. Truly. But, I would also want to say this... I, Kambai Akau, see the creation of articles as part of community service. If I am not able to give in cash, I give in works without expecting even a thank you from anyone because I really don't care so much about people's testimony about my mortal self. Once I feel happy doing it, I do it. Once I know another would find it useful, I do it, even when I stress my body to do it. Money is wonderful. But integrity is indispensable. When I write an article, I try as much as possible to see it survive. But where my skills lag, I learn. Please, don't get tired of me, I learn slowly at times. Kambai Akau (talk) 19:48, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

@Kambai Akau, I actually like your sense of humor, I’d work on it tonight & it would be published before 12:00. Celestina007 (talk) 21:19, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007: -- Glad you like it. 😊 Thanks indeed! Kambai Akau (talk) 21:57, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

@Kambai Akau,  Done your article has been accepted and published. Celestina007 (talk) 23:20, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007: -- Thank you! Thank you!! Thank you!!! I won't have done it any better than this, though. I am humbled! Kambai Akau (talk) 23:34, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Comment of Draft:Rebecca Nengi Hampson

You left a comment on my draft accusing me of being paid. Quite frankly I haven't been paid to draft it and neither have I been paid to edit any articles I've contributed to in my four months on Wikipedia. Your suspicions stem from a comment I left on someone else's talk page. It came from a place of seeking approval that the draft was good enough for resubmission and not the way you interpreted it at all. Your accusation was grave and discredits all the effort I'm putting into bettering the draft and other editsm I found it somewhat offensive. I was not paid, but at this point I wish I was so that the discredit wouldn't bother me. But I wasn't and I don't plan on making anyone pay me to contribute to Wikipedia at any point in time. I'm just the average Wikipedia user. -Best regards Justice Faith (talk) 09:43, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

@Justice Faith, you do yourself a disservice by being dishonest, when being truthful would save you from an indef block coming your way for violating our WP:PAID policy. Celestina007 (talk) 09:59, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Wow! This is actually heartbreaking. What exactly did I do to make you think I'm paid?? Also kindly guide me on how I can disprove your presumption. Is there a Wikipedia administrators email where I can send Identification proof. Isn't there a procedure for rebuttal of such false claims. Cause I'm ready to go through procedure since you think I'm telling lies.

I don't even know any of the subjects personally. I've just seen them on television and made research. I'm not even Nigerian to begin with so by what means would someone jump from Nigeria to pay a Ugandan to draft an article?

Again if you don't believe me, just guide me on the procedure of contesting these claims Justice Faith (talk) 10:17, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

I’d rather not, if I told you how I nab undisclosed paid editing it would make it much easier for you to evade scrutiny next time. Honestly, I wouldn’t be entertaining any questions from you anymore & that article is never going to be accepted into this collaborative project & would be held at AFC until you disclose your COI. Do you know how many times I’ve heard such tales? Do you know how long I’ve been doing this? Furthermore Nobody needs to see your ID as that may constitute WP:OUTING & endangering your own self. I am however happy to share my knowledge with functionaries & afc reviewers. Celestina007 (talk) 10:30, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Just do me a favor and delete the draft. I'd rather have it deleted than be accused falsely and made to accept something I didn't even know was possible on this particular platform.

Wouldn't have wasted hours of my time if I knew how unfair you editors are. You have no proof, you're busy judging me from your past experience. Painting me a liar and you won't even let me provide any proof against these accusations.

Have a nice time falsely accusing people on here ❤️ and help me delete it since I'm a liar Justice Faith (talk) 10:38, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

@Justice Faith, an inexperienced inept liar to be precise, & I do have proof, too bad I’m not going to be sharing it with an inept UPE editor.Celestina007 (talk) 10:44, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Okay❤️ Justice Faith (talk) 11:02, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Request on 12:02:00, 7 March 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by JudeJnr

• JudeJnr (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Oxlade (singer) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi @Celestina007:, according to your review. You stated "The subject of the article isn’t notable notjustyet". According to notjustyet, a subject is considered "NOTJUSTYET" if it fails the Notability guideline. The subject appears to be notable, being nominated twice at the The Headies. Covered on reliable sources, as followed: [1], [2], [3] [4], [5], [6], [7] and also his releases has also been covered on reliable sources: [8], [9], leaving the subject notable enough, and meeting the following guidelines; WP:SINGER, WP:ANYBIO, and WP:GNG. I have, made adjustment on all the comments made on the article, and I believe the subject is notable enough to be tagged notjustyet.

JudeJnr (talk) 12:02, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Query on Anusha Rai moved to draftspace

Hi Celestina007, thanks for the attention. The subject is a TV and film actress. Acted in multiple languages - Kannada, Telugu, Malyalam. The reliable secondary resources are available in the following local langauge newspaper (digital, print both) and in English both.

• Vijaya Karnataka Kannada Newspaper
• News18 Kannada
• Udayavani, Kannada Daily News Paper
• The Times of India - English
• The Indian Express- English
• Deccan Chronicle - English
• Bangalore Mirror - English

In the above list, The Times of India - English, The Indian Express- English - are also considered reliable or perennial sources of Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#Sources). My query is whether the coverage in local langauge is not taken into consideration? The menntioned local newspapes have a high ciruclation or readeship in the region she belongs to. If not, there are 4 english newspapers also talking about the subject's contribution to the entertainment industry, are they not sufficient? Emerging artists gradaully get coverage with more releases, and she will too. Can we restore the page, and keep improving it as new notable incidents took place? thank you Wisdomwiki 40 (talk) 02:18, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of an article

Hey Celestina007 I came across this Ghanaian article Reuben Griffiths Bekoe, looks like someone just created it out of sheer will of knowing the person but in my opinion and from what I have searched on the article, it doesn't meet Wikipedia's notability tag and references on the article are poor. Can you have a look at it, I want a second opinion on it, and if possible nominate it for deletion? Thanks Ampimd (talk) 10:39, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

@Ampimd, so it was created by Jrwale in 2018 & has the file in the article listed as his “own work” which pretty much tells me at least more than half of what I need to know. The sourcing doesn’t appear to be there, I’m not sure how it has stayed on mainspace for this long. Celestina007 (talk) 17:01, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

@Ampimd, it may interest you to know that following our discussion above I have nominated the article for deletion. Celestina007 (talk) 00:55, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007 I guess my convictions were on point then. I was surprised it had also stayed on wikipedia for that long without anyone noticing it, thanks for nominating it. Ampimd (talk) 15:36, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Emiway Bantai (Indian rapper)

@Celestina007, Emiway Bantai has once declined (like an advertisement on reading). But I have fixed it now. Please review it. Please do not deny by giving any other reason, I hope so. 223.238.222.235 (talk) 11:43, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Praxidicae was the one who declined the draft and rightfully so. Celestina007 (talk) 13:52, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
	For a basketball player, you know how to keep a low profile when you need to  :) thanks for all your great work here, and I hope real life isn't being too oppressive right now. Cheers! ——Serial 16:59, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

@Serial Number 54129, thanks for this show of affection which means a lot coming from you, who i always look up to. Real life has been fair thus far. It’s also a great delight to see you editing once again I unsuccessfully attempted to contact you during your break from editing. Glad to have you back and once again, thanks for this. Celestina007 (talk) 17:14, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice

@Celestina007 I sincerely did not know that other editors had try to create a page for Nengi. I recently joined the WikiProject; Women in Red and my aim is to create profiles for women, mostly Nigerians who deserve a page. You can check my userpage. I will NOT contest the deletion of the page or any other page that violates the community rules. I have no COI/UPE with the subject of this article or any other that I have created. It might turned out to be a good thing that I am on your list, it will guide me to become a better editor. Thank you. MesutOzula (talk) 23:38, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

@MesutOzula, I don’t disbelieve you believe you are making me to believe the story you just conjured. Well why don’t I AGF & move along right? Only time would tell. Celestina007 (talk) 23:48, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007 The word conjured sound quite harsh for someone you have not met in person. If I conjure a story on a faceless community, of what benefit is that to either of us? Comments like that from experienced editors discourage those of us who are still trying to help here. Thank you.

@MesutOzula, this is the archetype & classic response from a/an UPE editor who isn’t new to Wikipedia. I wasn’t wrong after all. You all seem to forget that I wasn’t born last night. Furthermore please WP:SIGN your comments, deliberately forgetting to sign to feign a NEWBIE is also a useless, stupid tactic y’all use. Celestina007 (talk) 00:28, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007 Hahaha. You're a complete and an unapologetic conspiracy theorist. I took the time to read through your user page, from top to bottom. I can see that it is of no use arguing with you. Being exposed to such materials you have at your disposal and considering the amount of time you spent here, you will always most certainly win all arguments. I am learning from you though and I am not too ashamed to admit it. I have begun to see your harsh words as belts to buckle up, rather than scathing. I hope to keep the communication line opened though, as I will be needing more mentorship from you. I hope this meets you well. MesutOzula (talk) 00:43, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

@MesutOzula, Reverse psychology wouldn’t help here either and what exactly do you mean by materials at my disposal? Winning isn’t the goal here, the goal is to significantly destabilize UPE in Nigeria which I’m pretty good at. Calling me a conspiracy theorist constitutes NPA. The communication lines are always open, but let me remind you that I’ve been here long enough to tell when I’m being bullshitted, other non Nigerian editors may fall for your gimmicks but we both know that wouldn’t work on me, if you so much as create dubious articles any more you’d be blocked from editing here any further. Celestina007 (talk) 00:57, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007 Your point was made from the word go and has been taken accordingly. I will not be deterred as I consider this a necessary difficulty associated with Wikipedia editing. I shall continue to edit to the best of my knowledge. However, since I am not in Nigeria I will completely boycott any Wikipedia article related to Nigeria and maybe Africa completely. Enjoy the rest of your day/night Sir. Thank you. MesutOzula (talk) 01:10, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

@MesutOzula, again, reverse psychology isn’t going to work. Boycott articles on Nigerians all you want, as I stated earlier creating dubious articles would earn you a block regardless of your choice of articles even they are on non Nigerians. Policy mandates me to AGF, even though I clearly know what this is, if you are as clean as you claim then you shouldn’t even encounter me in the first place but per AGF I’m mandated to give you benefit of doubt. You mentioned to Timtrent that prior creating the Nengi Rebecca Hamson article that you have created decent articles in the past, i saw the articles you created & it was decent to be fair, but it isn’t out of character for Upe editors to begin with good articles then clandestinely switch to creating dubious articles, infact that is the MO of a relatively intelligent UPE editor. Ah, like Burnaboy said in Anybody “Wetin person never see Omo wetin person never see” & tbh I’ve seen it all. You Nigerians & Indian editors have thought me this. I wouldn’t be answering any more questions from you. Now allow me to read my Marvel comics in peace. Celestina007 (talk) 01:30, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007 The word is actually Taught Sir, but I am sure it is a common error anybody would make. I won't bother you again. Thank you very Sir. MesutOzula (talk) 01:52, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

@MesutOzula, ahh yes indeed you are correct. I feel your pain but I’m not going to allow you perpetuate UPE either with this account or any other other account ever again. Celestina007 (talk) 14:48, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Flowers for you!

Thanks a million Ma'am for your review on my WP:BLP article on Priyanka Choudhary. These flowers are a small return to give you for my gratitude for the help that you have given.

I just have a small request, I had made a WP:BLP article on Hitesh Bharadwaj much earlier before Priyanka Choudhary and Puneett Chouksey, but no-one has given any review yet :(.

Is it possible that you can give your review on it? --Aleyamma38 (talk) 04:35, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

So the flowers weren’t for free after all? Alright let me see what I can do about those. Celestina007 (talk) 14:51, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

@Aleyamma38,  Done, Alright there you go, @fences and windows also helped out so you might want to thank them. Celestina007 (talk) 19:24, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007 Thanks a million Ma'am for this support and this cake is again a small token of my love for reviewing the article Hitesh Bharadwaj.

So the flowers weren’t for free after all?

No no Ma'am, of course the flowers are free, the only thing is that, I don't know many people who reviews articles here, which is why I asked your help. My extreme apologies if I bothered you in that process.

Yes Ma'am, fences and windows did give a lot of support on my WP:BLP article on Puneett Chouksey and I did acknowledge it both on the talk page of that article and on fences and windows's talk page too :).--Aleyamma38 (talk) 16:21, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

@Aleyamma38, thanks for the cake, It’s funny cos i actually got a sweet tooth. I don’t usually do reviews on request, but it seems like you know how to source an article properly & I don’t see any imperative reason why I can’t be flexible every now and again, so in summary what I’m trying to say is if you create new articles, you can always notify me about them & ask me to review them. Celestina007 (talk) 19:33, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007 Thanks a million Ma'am for your generosity. Actually, I usually try my level best not to create WP:BLP articles because they are quite difficult and risky to make as we have to be very careful to see if subject attains all criteria of WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR. So, I feel agitated until my article gets a review from one of the admins. It's was really a great pleasure of having met you and received your support as a admin who reviewed my WP:BLP articles. Ciao and have a great day Ma'am! :)--Aleyamma38 (talk) 13:00, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

@Aleyamma38, thanks for the kind words, I’m not an admin, a new page reviewer is what I am. No need to feel agitated just let me know anytime you create a new article & I’d review it for you. Celestina007 (talk) 14:19, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007 Thanks a million again, Ma'am! --Aleyamma38 (talk) 14:29, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Afaka kidnapping

The name of article should be Afaka Kidnapping where the incident took place and not Kaduna which is the State. Other kidnapping incidents have taken place in Kaduna afterwards, one in a Primary school in Birnin Gwari where Teachers and Students were kidnapped. The Students were later confirmed not abducted by authorities. How many Kaduna kidnapping do you want to have? Important info like the number of abducted have been removed too. UtubeGodwin (talk)

@UtubeGodwin, I dont understand why you are complaining to me about this, I literally had nothing to do with that. I’m afraid I can’t be of help to you. Celestina007 (talk) 14:39, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Happy St. Patrick's Day

Happy St. Patrick's Day! I hope your St. Patrick's Day is enjoyable and safe. Hopefully next year there will be more festive celebrations. Best wishes from Los Angeles.   // Timothy :: talk

@TimothyBlue, Aye! thanks mate. I appreciate the message. Celestina007 (talk) 19:23, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Erae_AMS

Thanks for your feedback. I've streamlined references, dropping from sixteen to five which seem to support the article sufficiently. I've also tried to reword the article to adopt a more neutral tone, as you suggested. Would you take another look? 216.150.233.146 (talk) 20:26, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

question

I came across your comment here while compiling this start to an RFC I am planning. Specifically Thanks for calling my attention to this @Bkissin, I’d like to say without an iota of doubt that the Guardian Nigeria is definitely a reliable source as they possess a reputation for fact checking and possess editorial oversight and also state clearly when an article is written by a guest editor or a sponsored post. Celestina007 (talk) 2:06 pm, 19 November 2020, Thursday (3 months, 28 days ago) (UTC−5) and I'm curious if your thoughts are still the same? It does not appear to still be the case as I am increasingly running into blatant PR published under various journalists names in a variety of outlets, including the one discussed at RSN but it's literally a copy of other published articles from other media outlets. VAXIDICAE💉 15:21, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

@Praxidicae, sorry for the late response I’ve been feeling quite unwell in the last four days. This is a tough question to be honest as the Guardian Nigeria has always been considered a default Nigerian RS from the 90's up until recently as they have been given me cogent reason to doubt their genuineness. For example, the concerns you raised in your statement and to answer your question, my thoughts aren’t more the same. Celestina007 (talk) 19:25, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Improved Article

Good day Celestina007, I created Mudiwa Hood article and you moved it to draft space stating that it needed more references to meet notable persons guideline, thank you, your move helped me do deeper research to find out the person has more to his biography to add.

So here in Zimbabwe the sources included in the article are actually the top ones if you can research further and see. Mudiwa Hood is the biggest hip hop act in Zimbabwe, the most successful with over 40 awards and many nominations, he is indeed very notable in the country without any doubt.

I have added more information and more sources and I am kindly asking for the article to be published back into mainspace. Zvandofarira2 (talk) 06:12, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Can you kindly consider moving back Mudiwa Hood into mainspace. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Mudiwa_Hood Zvandofarira2 (talk) 06:16, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

3Music Awards

Hi Celestina! Just a quick question if I may. I've noticed a recent surge in articles on people nominated for 3Music Awards. Namely, we have seen Yaw Tog, Nanky and KaySo (producer). What do you think about these people? They seem to have a notability claim that depends upon whether the 3Music Award nominations confer notability. I'm not familiar with this award and whether or not it is enough. I'm also unfamiliar with a lot of the sources cited. I have noted that you have already submitted Nanky for deletion, which seems fair enough. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:37, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

@Spiderone, hey there, the problem is the music award isn’t a major music award hence if an article’s subject has that award as a sole claim to notability then the subject of that article isn’t notable. Celestina007 (talk) 19:45, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

UTC)

@Spiderone, 3Music Awards is the second biggest music awards festival in Ghana aside the Vodafone Ghana Music Awards. You can kindly make your off Wikipedia search to confirm. Thanks 154.160.22.251 (talk) 18:08, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

We work differently

We also achieve the same end. You are more direct, I approach these matters with infinite kndness. The person who threw the stick may be about to discover that it turns into a boomerang. Fiddle Faddle 22:23, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

@Timtrent, you are correct. I should also mention that as a friend I appreciate the fact that you are looking out for me. I also appreciate the fact that your approach towards things like this are subtle and not as tough (or “harsh” ) as most Nigerian editors have called me. I’m not harsh, in fact I have received a barnstar for random act of kindness, but the problem is, unlike you who knows how to remain calm even if you know you are being bullshitted, I don’t remain calm & handle what I perceive as covert UPE without kids glove. Honestly if they keep violating our policy on copyright I might have to report them. Celestina007 (talk) 23:04, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Celestina007, I would suggest that you simply make the report.

I look out for you because I value your wok. I would hate it were you to jeopardise that by being over zealous. We catch more wasps with honey than with vinegar Fiddle Faddle 07:40, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

I am not always as kind as you believe

I invite you to look at my talk page and at the self identified paid editor's draft, observing or participating at your discretion Fiddle Faddle 20:15, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

@Timtrent okay I’m not sure why it made me laugh but it did, seeing you vexed is definitely an anomaly, I could have sworn it was me doing the typing, okay enough jokes, but you see how you spoke with conviction when you felt they were trying to play you? That’s the same way I speak when I know I’m being bullshitted. I know BS when I see it but for now I’m taking your advice and recusing myself from engaging them. Celestina007 (talk) 18:00, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

I knew it would make you giggle. It is an anomaly, and I pulled back and gave myself room to think, involving another experienced editor while thinking Fiddle Faddle 18:02, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

@Timtrent, tbh if you hadn’t told me to just dead it & move on I probably would have over done everything. I took your advice, I’d be a keeping an eye on them but wouldn’t proceed to engage them. In fact they have told me not to message them again & I’m going to respect that but I’d be a close eye on them regardless. Celestina007 (talk) 18:31, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Wise move. Any evidence can be presented by email, after all. And one cam smile and walk silently away from the creature, trying not to disturb it, all the while calling quietly for its keeper! Fiddle Faddle 19:14, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

ANI courtesy notification

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Aleyamma38. Thank you. Ravensfire (talk) 14:40, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

@Ravensfire, I actually feel bad. If I were around amidst this I probably could have talked them out of such behavior, but I haven’t been feeling well for a long while now thus I’ve been in & out of here. Celestina007 (talk) 17:50, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Celestina007, ack! Hopefully you're on the road to feeling better. Long term illness of any type isn't fun. I abhor going to ANI outside of the really obvious stuff. There's a feeling of me failing in my interaction with that person, and here it just didn't make sense. I totally understand that they don't like people changing or flagging possible issues in their articles, but that's normal around here and doesn't mean any hostility. I'm hopeful they'll come back after the block without some of the drama. Collaboration is so much easier. If you have a chance and the energy, would you mind look at Priyanka Choudhary and the talk page and see what you think. Out of courtesy to Aleyamma38, I'm not going to do anything AFD-wise until they return. I'm looking for some additional thoughts as right now, it just feels a bit WP:TOOSOON. Thanks, hope you're feeling better soon! Ravensfire (talk) 18:06, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Ravensfire, Thanks, I’m way better now. Yeah, about the article, I’d definitely do just that. Celestina007 (talk) 18:14, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Help needed on another not notable article

Hi Celestina007, I came across this article some months ago, I didn't pay attention to it until now. Kwame Baah (musician). 1. it looks like the article was actually created by the subject in the article. 2. The subject does not meet Wikipedia's notability tag, From what I noticed because the subject in question is a so called ''Digital Marketting Expert'', I have a feeling this article was to get him popular or something. Kindly have a look at it for me. thanks. and thanks gain for the previous help. Ampimd (talk) 02:12, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

@Ampimd, yes, it is definitely a non notable autobiography and once again I can’t seem to fathom how a blatant self promotional article has been on mainspace for three years. I’ve sent it to AFD, thanks for making another nab. Celestina007 (talk) 12:46, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!

Many thanks for your advice! CommanderWaterford (talk) 22:08, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

@CommanderWaterford, anytime, thanks also for listening I was pissed at something recently and it took the advice given to me by Timtrent, to realize my own shortcomings. The advice they gave me was the same advice I gave you. Thanks for your contributions. Stay safe. Celestina007 (talk) 14:14, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

@CommanderWaterford and Celestina, the giving of advice is the easy part. The truly hard part is to take a pause, understand the advice, pause again and then accept or reject it with a good heart. The fundamental part is the pause.

We all need to remember, yes, me too, that nothing, repeat nothing, is ever urgent on Wikipedia. This is especially true when we are committed emotionally to a position. And this is true whether we are right or wrong.

Not all advice is good. Some is absolute rubbish. The pause gives us time to breathe, time to think, time to be our best selves Fiddle Faddle 14:23, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Well spoken and very much apt! Celestina007 (talk) 15:01, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Elijah Onyeagba

Thank you for the edit and suggestions that have been for additional sources on my article. I wish to source for more sources to meet the criteria as you have indicated. Kindly endeavor to notify me any other suggestions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Torksimlife (talk • contribs) 08:11, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

@Jimfbleak already told you here all there is to be said & if you aren’t listening to them it’s very unlikely that you would listen to me. Celestina007 (talk) 09:50, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

why is this page

what is wrong in this article im going to improve itHardyisback11188 (talk) 07:12, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Ummm what page? Celestina007 (talk) 11:06, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Request to edit and publish the Draft: Wale Adetona

Hi [[10]], can you please review the page again [[11]]? I do not know the subject personally but he has done tremendous work and deem as a notable personality.

@Islimfit, except it’s an indefinite block from editing here ever again you are seeking for, you’d be wise to cease and desist from sock puppetry. Celestina007 (talk) 09:10, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007, excuse you? What are you talking about? And why so condescending and rude with your choice of words?

@Islimfit, start by reading WP:SIGN and learn to do so in order to make other editors follow the conversation with ease, what you are currently doing by editing with multiple accounts isn’t permitted here, if you refuse to comply and continue, you would get blocked & that’s a factual statement. I wouldn’t warn you again. Celestina007 (talk) 09:20, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007 Okay o. I thought the whole essence of this talk page is to provide help and not threat! I ask again, what suggestions do you have for the page to be published? What words or sections do you suggest to be removed?

@Islimfit, The sheer fact that I just told you to read sign and learn to do so but didn’t bother to shows you aren’t here to build an encyclopedia but to promote yourself, let’s do a quick re-cap, thus far you have created a promotional autobiography, created a sock account (Omokstee) to tell me rubbish, vandalized my userpage and now you are still asking & pushing for your autobiographical non notable article to be published shows you clearly are in violation of WP:NOTHERE. That you’d be blocked if you continue at this rate isn’t a threat but an eventuality. Celestina007 (talk) 09:41, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007, created a sock account to tell you rubbish? C'mon man. Tone down on your choice of words. We learn every day and which I am open to, as indicated in my previous request to suggest ways on improving the article. But your tone and choice of words aren't helping. I doubt if you'd be here if people had behaved the same way to you.

@Islimfit, I see I’m wasting my time here. In summary, there’s no universe in which a non notable autobiography created by a SPA would ever be published on Wikipedia, not now, not ever. Goodbye. Celestina007 (talk) 09:55, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

• For any editor reading this, it was a hunch then i made an official SPI requesting a Checkuser, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Islimfit, which shows they indeed are confirmed to be engaged in sockpuppetry. Celestina007 (talk) 16:35, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

We're in the news!

Hi Celestina. I thought you might be interested in this and this. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 17:33, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

@Curb Safe Charmer, yeah I kinda saw it on the Twitter trend table yesterday, & tbh there’s no way on God's green earth that man(Bola Tinubu) is 69. In-fact, he’s closer to 80 but since we are about verifiability and not truth, all I can do is sit back and laugh. Celestina007 (talk) 19:07, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

FaStest shedder

Is this article significantly similar to the previous ones? Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:26, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

@Spiderone, hello there, in actuality, I don’t think the article has ever been deleted via an AFD in the past, it has been created thrice now and the first time it was deleted via G12, the second iteration was sent to draftspace and so will this current iteration be treated. The Fastest shedder is a program conducted by Seyi Olusore who is either one & the same person as the article creator (Nda64rc) or is accepting financial rewards from them. Their userpage tells the whole story. I have left a final warning on their tp. They definitely aren’t here to build an encyclopedia and how they have successfully been evading scrutiny beats me. Celestina007 (talk) 13:31, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

It might be worth an ANI after their next offence. This absolutely stinks of UPE. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:16, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Nikhil Raut

I have been watching this artist’s film for the last seven years... And I've been reading the newspaper for a long time and I've gathered information about this person... In the case of this person, people share misinformation on social media... I created this Wikipedia page to let people know the truth... My only purpose is to let people know the truth Chatarpatar2020 (talk) 06:47, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

I asked you a question on your talk page but you reply on mine & totally evade the question. Go back to your talk page, read the question, read why the article was sent back to draftspace, to be specific read both WP:COI & WP:UPE, when you think you understand my question, you may reply accordingly on your talk page where the question was asked. Celestina007 (talk) 12:01, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Okay.Chatarpatar2020 (talk) 12:04, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

An item for your watchlist

Knowing that you also find paid editors who exhibit a refusal to learn or hit the ground running to be irksome, I wonder if you would consider watching Draft:Jason Blazakis. I declined it again today, but I think my offering it a fourth review should it be submitted again in the awful state it's in would be counter-productive Fiddle Faddle 09:18, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

@Timtrent, got you! Celestina007 (talk) 19:03, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

The editor goes away for a few days, presumably thinking we may forget all about it. I wasn't too harsh there, I hope. Fiddle Faddle 19:10, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

@Timtrent, nahhh, everything you told them were factual. Celestina007 (talk) 19:26, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Haruna Sentongo

Hello Celestina007, i have made edits on Haruna Sentongo with great hope of remedying the article deletion, i am kindly requesting for your Expert Review and proposal of essential extra edits required. Thank you. Ibitukirire (talk) 03:10, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

look, except it’s a block for covert UPE you are seeking, I’d suggest you back off while you can. Celestina007 (talk) 23:18, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

I already backed off and forgot all about that bro, but a great experience and many lessons for me, thank you. Ibitukirire (talk) 00:25, 9 April 2021 (UTC)Bold text

Victor Ike

Hi Celestina007, I noticed that my submission was rejected by you. Can you please go through CommanderWaterford recommendations (Guidelines on the notability of music-related topics) for the subject matter? kindly check other Nigerian- European artist's Wikipedia like Ayo, Lemar, and more, and advise how you think it's for promotional purposes? Will appreciate, your kind advice and if you can develop the subject matter topic to meet the Wikipedia requirement, that will be excellent. The subject matter has worked and featured with Hollywood stars like DMX Victor Ike - Baby. feat. DMX and more, and on the basis mentioned above, he definitely deserves to be on Wikipedia. except there is politics behind the rejection which needs to be dialogued.

@Nextprod, first read WP:SIGN and learn to do so. Secondly, I suggest you discontinue article creation until you take a look at WP:YFA. Finally, I’m trying to be as polite as can be here, but just what do you mean by “politics behind the rejection which needs to be dialogued”? Lest i forget, I removed this from the article because that is borderline spamming, see WP:NOSOCIAL as well. Celestina007 (talk) 14:47, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Discussion at WP:ANI

Hello. An ANI discussion has opened in which you are mentioned. You are welcome to take part if you wish to do so. Thanks very much. No Great Shaker (talk) 17:27, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Revdel helper

In your common.js page add this line:

importScript( 'User:Enterprisey/cv-revdel.js' ); // Backlink: [[User:Enterprisey/cv-revdel.js]]

The revdel item should show up in your more tab Fiddle Faddle 20:46, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

@Timtrent, thanks dear friend. Celestina007 (talk) 21:07, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

A further antennae twitch

We have an editor who seems to be very insisted in creating an article on one Randall Goodden, shown by

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/A_Flaneur
• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/A_Flaneur

Every file has been deleted on Commons, and I've been concerned about their COI here, which they declare not to have. But my antennae are twitching. I wonder if you would mind keeping an eye on this. I seem to be the only one concerned right now Fiddle Faddle 20:44, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

@Timtrent, I’ve added them to my watchlist and if they continue down this path, it’s only right to label them as an WP:SPA & if that’s the case then it’s an indef block that would invariably be their portion. Celestina007 (talk) 22:03, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

You might have a look at my latest message in their talk page, and let me know what yiu thunk. Or let them know Fiddle Faddle 22:05, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

@Timtrent, it appears to be a case of AUTO. They are definitely writing about themselves. I guess now I have added them to my watchlist the article of theirs would never be published on mainspace except they are completely honest and disclose their COI accordingly. Celestina007 (talk) 22:36, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

It also interests me that they are inconsistent, with two diametrically opposite statements. The draft is appalling and the sandbox worse. Ah well, time for sleep Fiddle Faddle 22:39, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

@Timtrent, i agree, & the good news is if they continue to double down they’d eventually get what’s coming their way. Celestina007 (talk) 23:33, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

They doubled down in a very unexpected manner 😳 Fiddle Faddle 16:18, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Timtrent, I’m not sure what to make of them. They just shot themself/themselves(because there’s no telling how many individuals optimize that account ) with what they just stated. Celestina007 (talk) 00:23, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

I know what to make of them in a human sense. In a Wikipedia rules sense that is a different matter Fiddle Faddle 07:33, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

I think my talk page shows a resolution. I shall certainly not review the draft again! Fiddle Faddle 16:05, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

I posted at the AFC talk page. Up to you what you do with it Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^{Talk to me} 20:30, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

I think it's worth waiting for another reviewer and just watching and waiting Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^{Talk to me} 21:06, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

@Timtrent, Im going to address that right away, Celestina007 (talk) 21:15, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar

Hi, i just rode your dialouge in the teahouse about the time someone has to wait for his article to be reviewed. Could you do me the favour and review my article as well? I don't have to match any deadline or something, its just that I'm working on this article quite a while now and i would be happy when its launched. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:European_Jewish_Community_Center_/_EJCC Leonard Winder (talk) 14:11, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

for starters it appears you haven’t even submitted the draft for review, secondly I do not do reviews on request except it’s an exceptional circumstance, I’m afraid I can’t be of help to you but there are other editors who are open to this and would be willing to assist you. You may continue to seek guidance at the WP:TEAHOUSE or at the WP:HELPDESK. Celestina007 (talk) 00:11, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

UPE scams

One of the UPE scams is to AfD an article, then contact the subject and offer help for a fee. When it closes Keep (faster the better) you take the fee. AKA extortion. The nom of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gustavo S. Oderich is under suspicion on this though there is no determination. was blocked today for this extortionist activity. -- GreenC 18:26, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@GreenC, yes! In-fact, there was a similar case pertaining to a now blocked experienced Nigerian editor who specialized in this. At that point they were the head of the Nigerian UPE ring. See this. They specialized in AFD'ing articles then contacting the subject of the article and requesting fees to “protect” their article. Celestina007 (talk) 00:02, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

My research indicates the socks in the more recent case have knowledge of India and Sri Lanka. However as your page says, those countries and Nigeria are hot spots for this sort of activity. They may even work together through off-site coordination. I'm glad to see more aggressive action being taken because as you say, if it smells bad it probably is. Would like to see AfD reformed, example nominations only by approved editors the same way AWB works. Or noms go through an approval processes similar to AfC. -- GreenC 01:29, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

@GreenC, indeed, save for MER-C, and a small bunch of other sysops there isn’t much help for editors like ourselves constantly battling the cancer called UPE. That AFD needs reformation is very much true. Celestina007 (talk) 01:51, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Keep up the work!

Hey there, just wanted to come here and say that I appreciate your effort to act against paid editing. I am also an user who is strictly against paid editing. I dont have any problem if an article is created for an UP by keeping our policies and guidleines striclty. But it is very rare I think. You are really doing a pretty job at AFD, by throwing away some thrashes from this encyclopedia. My main mission is also something like that. Now I am regularly watching over the newly created India related articles. Keep up your work and I have my full support for you. By the way, I have tried a lot of methods including new pages feed to monitor new articles. But is there any other option available to exclusively filter an article based on its topic/associated projcets. Regards Kichu🐘 ^{Need any help?} 23:45, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

@Kashmorwiki, thanks for the kind words, I appreciate them. I have also noticed your participations in AFD's and your brilliant rationales for either !voting a keep or delete. Pertaining your question, I’m unsure if there any filters as such. I checked for the existing filters and was unable to locate anyone matching your requirements. @Barkeep49 could you chip in here if you don’t mind? Celestina007 (talk) 00:09, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

@Kashmorwiki you might be looking for something like User:SDZeroBot/NPP sorting? Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:10, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

A call to engage in character assasination

There is now a Wikipedia administrators notice board discussion where someone has called for people to try to publish character assasination pieces against me in reliable publications. This is pared with an accusing me of engaging in "sexism" because of things that happened 8 years ago, that were really a result of misunderstanding the complex categorization system and the at times contradictory rules it involves. I will admit I was unwise in going to far in allusions about grandfathering. On the other hand, the fact that the reaction to deletion request for 14 year old articles was to call for speedy keep of all the article is and of itself a very frustrating sign of people being unwilling to engage in the process of contributing to Wikipedia at all. It is so unbalanced. Those in favor of keeping articles are held to virtually no standards on creation, yet those who want to make Wikipedia a better place by removing articles that do not in any way meet inclusion criteria face a constant process of at every turn facing more and more and more obstancles to participation. The current view seems to be that the minimum length of a deletion nomination is far larger than a minumum length of an article, that it is ok to create articles with no sources, but to nominate them for deletion you have to review all possible sources in multiple databases. Beyond this to nominate them for deletion you need to do a minimum of 4 edits, while creation is done with one, and deletion takes a minimum of one week while there is no delay in creation at all. Except for those of us who try to do the right thing and take an article through AfC. In that case we can wait over 2 months to have any response at all. This is very frustrating to me. I wish I had not gone for such allusions to grandfathering, but it is frustrating how long it take to get even non-sourced articles inproved or removed. This whole process is getting very frustrating, and there seems to be no way to actually get my vgoice heard on it.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:40, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

@Johnpacklambert, I didn’t bother reading the whole thread at the ANI because I know once a thread is about you everyone suddenly has an opinion or a worthless proposal.

I’m aware of the 8 year ago incident and if editors are still bringing it up in 2021 then it’s indicative of their horrible personality.

If you want changes to how our current AFD is structured or if you want all new articles to “pass through AFC” (assuming that’s what you meant and not “pass through AFD”) as you may have erroneously typed then the best way to get your voice heard is to start an WP:RFC to that effect. Celestina007 (talk) 15:17, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

I meant to put AfC. I think I did open an RfC on it. It was shot down pretty hard, but no one has really considered the merits, they just reject it out of turn. Some days I think I should close down this account and open a new one. Then at least people would stop hounding me about things that happened years ago. I know that is officially discouraged, but not holding people to using their real names opens those of us who do up to some very vicious attacks.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:52, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

@Johnpacklambert, no please don’t. You have endured so far & backing out now doesn’t seem proper, if the ANI starts a proposal intended to limit your editing skills it would invariably fail. Celestina007 (talk) 16:05, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

• Comment I am just burned to the core by this one. I hope Coin has not been scared away forever. He clearly was trying to apply verrifiability, and this lead to a true attack.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:42, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
• Comment Now they want to impose the absurdly low limit of 20 AfD nominations a day. This is just plain absurd.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:28, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

@Johnpacklambert, don’t you worry it would fail. Celestina007 (talk) 22:16, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

wish I believed that. It now has 5 supporters and only 4 opposes. I really am worn out by this whole process.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:23, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

@Johnpacklambert, even if it were to sail through which I believe it wouldn’t you could always appeal. Celestina007 (talk) 22:27, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

I don't know. If it goes through I have half a mind to quite Wikipedia forever.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:09, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

@Johnpacklambert, that is exactly what they intend to achieve & you mustn’t give them that satisfaction. Celestina007 (talk) 00:14, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!

For taking the words today just right out of my mouth... CommanderWaterford (talk) 21:44, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

@CommanderWaterford,I admit my bias towards @Johnpacklambert & would almost always support and stand by him no matter what they claim he has done, but it is appalling the manner in which he is treated. I don’t know why he is being subjected to such ridicule every year, someone even went as far as bringing up the fact that he is autistic, I suffer from aggressive acromegaly(gigantism) I grow tall rapidly and I hope someone won’t use that against me in future. Celestina007 (talk)|

General thoughts

I am so fed up with how some Wikipedia rules operate. There are so many cases where people fail to add sources even when they are brought up in AfD.

I am also so frustrated about the failure of keeping anything like reasonable limits on the proliferation of categories. Sometimes I think I am getting to frustrated.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:14, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

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A second opinion, from someone I'm happy to disagree with

Hey, Celestina. Fair's fair. We know we each think the other does good work even if we have ideological disagreements. I've encountered an article on a Nigerian figure where I'm interested in seeking an opinion from someone who both knows quite a bit more than I do about Nigerian source assessment and who's more likely to skew 'not notable' than I.

I was patrolling CAT:G11 when I encountered the article Bakare Mubarak, which wasn't in good shape, but the amount of sigcov cited made me pause. I removed the tag before stubbing it into a shape that, while not exactly FA status, is at least not G11 eligible, while keeping the cites to allow policy-compliant expansion. I'm unsure how to assess the reliability of the cited sources, though, and am inclined to think I might err both too high and too low at different points. The sources that had Wikipedia articles of their own looked okay, but we both know how articles for organizations don't always match the reality, you know? I'd be happy if you could take a look at this (including the old version, which had a couple more sources omitted here) and see if this represents a GNG pass. Vaticidalprophet 15:34, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

@Vaticidalprophet, hello, it’s an interesting one, whilst I can definitely see at least WP:3REFS that are solid discussing the subject, they all however predominantly reference his height. The first version was definitely an advert but I don’t necessarily agree that it’s G11 eligible either. G11's apply to only irredeemably promotional content so I agree with the route you took. As to their notability status, at best I’d place it at BARE. Celestina007 (talk) 20:27, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Message from CommanderWaterford

Hmmm.... Munaf Kapadia ? CommanderWaterford (talk) 17:32, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

CommanderWaterford, are you asking my take on the notability status of the article? If yes, then I’d say they barely do. WP:NAUTHOR/WP:POET are very tricky. Celestina007 (talk) 17:45, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Igwe 2pac

Hello Celestina007, thank you for reviewing the draft article on Igwe 2pac. I see you raised notability concerns. In addition to this and this, I've added these sources 1 2 3 to show that the WP:GNG is met. This source also shows that he meets WP:ENT#2. I will also like to know why you made this edit labelling them 'inconsequential' because per WP:FILMOGRAPHY, references may be used in the filmography section. I have resubmitted the article and will appreciate if you leave it to an uninvolved reviewer. Thanks. The Sokks💕 ^_(talk) 19:23, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

@TheSokks, not quite. They are an actor but do not satisfy any criterion from NACTOR and if your argument is that they have a cult following thus they are notable then that is a flawed argument as a cult following is very much relative. I removed those sources adjacent the films they have featured in because that is a text book case of ref bombing to create a mirage of notability. They an actor who have not significantly taken up lead roles in the movies they have featured in, neither have they won any notable awards thus as an actor they aren’t notable. I also noticed you utilized pulse.ng severally in the article which isn’t exactly a reliable source. I am going ahead to decline the article until you can prove via reliable sources how they satisfy NACTOR. Furthermore see WP:SIGCOV which the subject of the draft article certainly doesn’t seem to have. Celestina007 (talk) 20:11, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Dear Celestina007, You've comfortably left out the "Large fanbase" bit which this demonstrates that he still passes WP:ENT#2. Asides the pulse.ng (which is not an unreliable source btw), you've failed to address the other (12 3) sources highlighted which means that he meets SIGCOV as they are not mere mentions of the subject and is why I asked that you leave it to an uninvolved editor. Please leave it for a fresh pair of eyes. Thanks. The Sokks💕 ^_(talk) 21:07, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

@TheSokks, hello there, please do not use ”dear” when starting a conversation with me as it implies intimacy.

Now the first link you provided in your efforts to demonstrate they satisfy WP:SIGCOV is to my userpage, which is beyond weird, the second is anything but significant coverage, and the third is the same as the second as both do not constitute significant coverage. They simply aren’t notable and at best this is WP:BARE. Pulse.ng is not a reliable source as they fail to disclose when an article is a sponsored post or not. Please like I earlier stated do not resubmit an article immediately it was declined. You may want to read up on what constitutes WP:SIGCOV. Finally a large fan base like I stated is hopelessly useless when determining notability, anyone can buy followers on Twitter or Instagram. Look! hopefully, this would be final response to you, please do not inundate nor irritate me. Celestina007 (talk) 21:31, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Celestina007, apologies I meant to provide this link. Pulse DOES signify sponsored posts as can be seen here, here and here. Having a large fanbase is clearly stated in WP:ENT#2 which is policy so I don't understand how you can assert that a large fan base like I stated is hopelessly useless when determining notability. What is important is that it is Verifiable. The Sokks💕 ^_(talk) 22:20, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

@TheSokks, Pulse.ng selectively does declare a post sponsored and more often than not they do not thus making it unreliable, or one of those sources you use cautiously. Having a large follower-ship doesn’t translate to notability, that you don’t understand this is evident you may understand how GNG works.

That Nigerian celebrities buy followers has been documented extensively by the media see here,here, and most imperative see here, I can go on and on but by now you should get the drift, so when I call having a large fan base hopelessly useless in establishing notability especially for Nigerians, (A country I have lived in for 20+ years and have become a citizen of btw ) I have a justified reason. By WP:GNG standards the subject of your draft article is lacking, by NACTOR standards they also fall short. So I’m not sure I understand your argument here. Might remind you that internet fame or real life popularity isn’t one and the same as notability. For a biographical article to be considered notable, the subject matter of the article has to be exceptional, you have to explain how or why they are notable. Celestina007 (talk) 21:31, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

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The ANI is still open

The ANI against me is still open. This has become unreasonably wrong. Now there is a proposal to 100% ban me from any participation in AfD. This is getting more and more unreasonable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:06, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

@Johnpacklambert, which I wouldn’t let happen so help me God. Celestina007 (talk) 13:10, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

@Johnpacklambert and Celestina007: I was so happy when I went to see that it was closed. Thank the universe and thank you, also, Celestina. It should have been closed long before I even said anything. --ARoseWolf 14:17, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

@Tsistunagiska, yes! I was very much happy to see a bold sysop do the needful. I’m very much conservative about ANI’s unless it’s the last option, asides that, I view regular editors who stalk ANI’s and jump on all threads to air their opinions as fame hunters and nothing more. Similar to people who frequent Jimbo's tp. Celestina007 (talk) 18:17, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Coty Hernández

Hello Celeste, what happened to my article about the Argentine singer Coty Hernández? has valid references

@‎Julian Aristiqui, beats me. Furthermore, please always WP:SIGN, which you must learn as a matter of necessity. Celestina007 (talk) 22:23, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

If you are referring to Draft:Coty Hernández, for starters, it met WP:DRAFTIFY, secondly, it was declined at AFC by CommanderWaterford, who you should be talking to and not me. Celestina007 (talk) 18:34, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

@Julian Aristiqui Your article had been moved to draft by Celestina and I declined the submission because your subject does not meet sufficient notability per Wikipedia:NMUSICIAN for having an article here. CommanderWaterford (talk) 18:41, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Stubs

Why? They meet notability guidelines. QatarStarsLeague (talk) 16:01, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

@QatarStarsLeague, if they are is not my point & never was, re-read the message on your tp and you’d see that never did I ever mention notability. My point is they are unsuitable for mainspace, you cant binge create or churn out articles with one source and expect them to remain on mainspace. That’s why a Draftspace or sandbox exists. Celestina007 (talk) 16:10, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

• • The point of bringing redlinks into the mainspace is to encourage further additions. This is why no one else has ever suggested these articles be moved to draftspace. QatarStarsLeague (talk) 16:12, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

I don’t think I understand what you are trying to imply but like I said, churning out cookie-cutter stubs and including just one source(an unreliable one I might add) is not suitable for mainspace/mainspace worthy, If you don’t understand this, I see no point of this dialogue. Celestina007 (talk) 16:20, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

MOS

Hi. I am updating an old article (Douglas Wright (murderer)), do you think it should be renamed to Douglas Wright (serial killer)? Or possibly Douglas Franklin Wright? Or leave as it is? Thank you. Inexpiable (talk) 09:18, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

@Inexpiable, sorry, for the late response. So basically when naming an article you want it to be a recognizable common name. I don’t know much about the article's history and neither did I really have the time to check but it seems to have been redirected from Douglas Franklin Wright which was its original title to this current one Douglas Wright (murderer), I did a brief google search on the name Douglas Franklin Wright and it is my opinion that, that was the most appropriate title as a search under the aforementioned name seems to be the most recognizable. I hope this helps. If you wish to contest the current title you may do so at the tp of the article or communicate directly to whoever did the renaming, if an understanding or compromise can’t be reached, an WP:RM may be evoked. Celestina007 (talk) 00:38, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Questions on WP:NMEDIA

I am here with more questions. You should have never explained WP:BASIC so well. So it's on you now. Ok. My question is, for newspapers, magazines and journals, criteria 4 says are frequently cited by other reliable sources.

• My mind that constantly wants to quantify everything, asks the same question - how many times they should be cited by other reliable sources? Like the introduction of this essay itself says, media doesn't report on itself...
• By this we mean outside wikipedia, right?
• What does it mean cite here? Means they should say as reported by or simply talk about the subject in question?
• What are the reliable sources here? Does same policy apply that there should be editorial oversight etc?

Another question, any news website that doesn't have a print version, it won't count in WP:NMEDIA?

Thanks! Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 16:14, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

@Nomadicghumakkad, Thanks. I appreciate the compliment which I presume is related to the Teahouse question you asked and response I gave, Ha! I studied under Barkeep49 which imo is as tough as an RFA.

Okay, to answer your questions, NMEDIA basically tries to mirror GNG on a fundamental level but has additional criteria if when met may or may not be considered notable. As per your first question: When NMEDIA talks about cite it definitely means off wiki. As per your second question, Yes! some outlets report incidents and boldly indicate that part of the material they used came from another superior media outlet (usually a renowned very reliable one). Per your third question, a reliable source must possess both editorial oversight and a reputation for fact checking(there’s no circumnavigating that) Per you last question NMEDIA mainly refers to traditional media. In the back of your mind should be this: In summary, and all criterion aside, a media outlet is considered notable chiefly if they satisfy our general notability criteria. Celestina007 (talk) 18:41, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Hey Celestina007, thank you for this explanation. This definitely helps. It helped me review Draft:Gaon Dastak that I was stuck at for long time. What I sort of understand (and also conclude on my own) is that by cite it can't be trivial mention. Either it should credit for some fact or reporting or should discuss it or talk about it. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 16:07, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Olufunke Adekoya

Hi Celestina007, thank you for your work in the community. I noticed that the article on Olufunke Adekoya is still in draft one month after the article was created and after your earlier concerns about the article was addressed. Please could you be so nice as to help review the article? I believe the article, in its current form, meets Wikipedia eligibility requirements. I would also welcome your contributions to the article if you think the article still need some improvements. Thanks for all times. Omorodion1 (talk) 15:40, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

@Omorodion1, I’m just returning from work. Give me little time to take a look at the draft article and get back to you. Celestina007 (talk) 18:38, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

@Omorodion1, unfortunately I still do not see the problems as addressed the sources are a serious mess, I did a little MOS related work on the article but MOS is not even the problem. The sources are! Start by removing every unreliable source in that article and just include the best three or four you can find. Do not use sources which are dependent on her or have a COI with her, do not use user generated sources, that is, sources she conjured or created her self. I must confess also that I’m biased about this article because it appears she works for an organization that paid UPE editors severally for an article on them, so I’m leaving this to another AFC reviewer without this knowledge I possess to review the article based on its own merits, but that aside, just like I stated start with removing all unreliable sources. Celestina007 (talk) 18:53, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Celestina007 for your time and recommendation. I will revisit the sources again at the earliest possible time and hope a reviewer finds time to review the page. regards. Omorodion1 (talk) 19:02, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

@Omorodion1, a good choice. Hell! I may choose to overlook my prejudice insofar as You can get at least three good sources which aren’t sponsored posts, have editorial oversight and a reputation for fact checking. You may use this for guidance but that doesn’t reflect community consensus but are my standards all the same. If you can fix the sources problem you may ping me to have a third look and I’d be willing to. Celestina007 (talk) 19:10, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Message from Tosin Opaleke

Hello Celestina, I saw that you nominated for speedy deletion an article I created less than 24 hours ago. That was the first draft that was published and I was waiting for critiques on it so as to improve the article. Furthermore, I would like to categorically state that I am not being compensated to write the article.

How do I get the page draft back please so I can improve on it?

--Tosinopaleke (talk) 08:54, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

@Tosinopaleke, hello, if you are unsure of your editing skills or knowledge of policy, moving forward, you may want to consider using the WP:AFC method to create articles. Furthermore you are allowed to test your editing skills and try out new stuff in your sandbox. I forgot to mention earlier, reading how to create my first article decently would also prove pivotal. Do not also forget to read WP:PAID and endeavor to tell us if or not you are accepting financial rewards for creating specific articles. Thank you for your time. Celestina007 (talk) 23:14, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Drafts

Hello, Celestina007,

I noticed reviewing User:JJMC89 bot/report/Draftifications/daily that several articles you moved into Draft space had just been recreated in main space. Does AFC have a policy about what to do when this happens? Although User:Abdul Tanko originally created the articles, User:Clarissagum recreated them. I posted a note on Clarissagum's user talk page but I don't know if this is a sign of coordination, sockpuppetry or just an active WikiProject. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:46, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello Liz, and thanks for stopping by. Both editors as well as most Nigerian editors are currently in a competition and the goal of that competition is to see who creates the most articles(pertaining to gubernatorial elections) I doubt this is off wiki coordination or anything of that nature. In my opinion it’s more of an opportunist sort of behavior. I feel User:Clarissagum saw that most of the articles created by User:Abdul Tanko were being draftified due to the fact that User:Abdul Tanko mass created several unsourced articles. In my opinion i feel like User:Clarissagum hijacked their draft articles via cut and paste, included sources to the article and then published the article thus making it their own article. This is not sock or meat puppetry as far as i am concerned. Hope I was able to be of help.Celestina007 (talk) 02:26, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Well, this would also explain all of the red link categories that pertain to Nigerian gubernatorial elections that have been popping up on Special:WantedCategories for the past couple of weeks. I thought we just had a very active editor with a very particular interest in elections. Should the new version also be moved into Draft space? The only time I've seen this happen before is with competing editors creating multiple articles on upcoming movies. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:03, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

@Liz, if the hijacked articles are better improved(that is they now have RS included in them) I see no justification for draftifying any longer. I’d just leave a template warning on hijacking of articles on the tp of the editor that hijacked the article. Celestina007 (talk) 16:23, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Gyidi

Hello I hope I can ask for an independent review of this article as always. I came across this Gyidi article. It seems promotional, and subject in the article doesn't meet the Wikipedia notability tag with regards to WP:GNG Or notable with singers, actors.....entertainers. Article seems to have stayed on for a while. Kindly have a look at it for me. Ampimd (talk) 15:58, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Believe (Gyidi EP) all references from here too are dead ends. Interesting one. Ampimd (talk) 16:00, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

@Ampimd, it is definitely conflict of interest editing, possibly undisclosed paid I didn’t bother checking the identity of the article creator but whoever it is has moderate knowledge on how to make UPE look like legit work. I’m going ahead to strip it of all unreliable sources as well as the promotional content in the article after which I’m sending it to AFD. Thanks for bringing this to me. Celestina007 (talk) 16:10, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

@Ampimd, it may interest you to know that I have nominated the article for deletion see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gyidi. If you find anymore articles pertaining to Africans which you think are dubious, you may as usual bring it to my notice. Celestina007 (talk) 22:12, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Mohammed Aminu Baka shouldn't be in AfD

Hi, Celestina007. The above-mentioned article is not mere a page about a mere non-notable governorship aspirant as you thought. It is about a notable philantropist whose life and bio is newsworthy to this great encyclopedia. After the article got nominated for deletion, I have restructured it with more worthy informations backed with reliable sources. With this, I hereby request, most humbly, that you remove Mohammed Aminu Baka from AfD. Brainbox (talk) 06:43, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

@Zakari Brainbox The AfD process runs to completion once started. You may make policy based contributions to the discussion if you have not done so already Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^{Talk to me} 08:24, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Having looked at the advert for the political candidate, this article will fail (0.9 probability). Wikipedia may not be used for political campaigning. Do you have a relationshio of some sort with Baka, Zakari Brainbox? If so you must declare it on your user page. Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^{Talk to me} 08:32, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

• @Zakari Brainbox, I understand your frustration, as I have been in your position during my early days of editing. Timtrent has done justice to your query by explaining to you what Wikipedia is not. If you have specific questions I’m willing to listen and reply to them, even better, you may go to the WP:TEAHOUSE and ask questions there and you would get instantaneous replies. Celestina007 (talk) 09:36, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007, Thanks for your understanding. I'll gladly welcome your ideas. @Fiddle Faddle^Timtrent, I'll put your kind words and suggestions under advisement. Yours in Wikipedia,Brainbox (talk) 10:47, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

@Zakari Brainbox Your argument at the deletion discussion is likey to fail because you have not demonstarted by use of policy how ity complies wiyth WP:GNG. You may wonder why those suggesting it be deleted have not been more specific, but they do not have to be, It is incumbent on thise wishing an article to remain to demonstrate beyond doubt and with precision that it complies and how it complies. These are both done by excellence of referencing.

For a living person we have a high standard of referencing. Every substantive fact you assert, especially one that is susceptible to potential challenge, requires a citation with a reference that is about them, and is independent of them, in multiple secondary sources which are WP:RS, and is significant coverage. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact cited, that meet these tough criteria is likely to make this article a clear "keep" (0.9 probability). Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the person is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today.

Note that we need excellence, by which I mean quality. I do not mean quantity. Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^{Talk to me} 11:28, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

@Zakari Brainbox, thank you. but you need to listen to what Timtrent has been telling you so far. Celestina007 (talk) 12:04, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Ani Notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. 331dot (talk) 14:11, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

@331dot, Thanks, I’m going to make my contribution there right away! Celestina007 (talk) 15:58, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

It’s heartbreaking seeing a fine editor go from being a productive editor to a banned editor in less than 72 hours. More perplexing is what initiated his ban, all he had to do was acknowledge his shortcomings. Nothing more. Celestina007 (talk) 17:56, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007:

Thanks Celestina! God bless! Antonio Cool Breeze Lime Guy Martin (wassup?) 00:30, May 23, 2021 (UTC)

@AntonioMartin, I appreciate the kind words but it’s no big deal, no one tells the minimum wage earning pizza delivery boy a “thank you” for doing their job because it is expected of them to do their job, same applies here. So no it’s no biggie! Thanks all the same.Celestina007 (talk) 01:54, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Regarding an AFD

Hello, on may 22nd, I opened an AFD for a Malayalam film Vellinakshatram (2004 film). Today, on 27th may, TheWikiholic closed the afd as Keep, without even a single Keep vote. Have a look at this Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vellinakshatram (2004 film). I think at least 7 days is mandatory for a closure unless it doesn't have an up vote, right? Regards, Powerful Karma (talk) 11:25, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Celestina007, Vellinkashathram is one of the highest-grossing movies of the 2000s. I have closed the AFD per WP:Speedy Keep by considering his action as vandalism. This user has been nominating similar types of articles daily stating he has done WP: BEFORE. I'm highly suspicious about the editing behavior of this editor. This user only started to edit Wikipedia 20 days ago. Within that period, he has nominated more than 26 pages for deletion as you can see on his AFD log. I'm highly suspicious that this user is an experienced user who has been blocked indefinitely for similar behavior in the past.— TheWikiholic (talk) 12:41, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

TheWikiholic, I just nominated unsourced articles. And here what I've mentioned is the action you performed. With out even a single Keepvote, how can you close an afd as Speedy Keep? And what is the matter of experience here? What vandalism I did? You can have a look at the same afd log, the nominations I made... Any admins can check those nominations and my identity. Powerful Karma (talk) 13:04, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

I have removed your nomination based on 2 & 3 per this. I've found your argument of you having done WP:BEFORE is false and that's why I've managed to find sources for those articles. You also nominated the articles like this, which won awards, for deletion. It clearly shows that you have not even read the article properly before nominating a page for deletion.— TheWikiholic (talk) 13:27, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure why this discussion is here, but, TheWikiholic, you cannot close an AfD improperly based on your opinion of the nomination and of the nominator. If you have problems with either of those, you can take the matter to WP:ANI - or WP:SPI if you have evidence of socking, including at least one other account. As for the AfD itself, you should have !voted instead of closing it. At this point, it should be relisted to get more !votes.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:34, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

There was no references at all when I nominated the film. And the award was not to the film but to the Director and singer. I think it fails WP:NFOE. Powerful Karma (talk) 13:42, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

@Powerful Karma: That's not true. There were three references in the article when you nominated it. Additionally, lack of sources does not necessarily make a subject unnotable; that is the reason for WP:BEFORE. Please learn to WP:INDENT.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:56, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Bbb23, I'm not talking about Vellinakshathram film, I'm talking about Karayilekku Oru Kadal Dooram. The wikiholic just mentioned about that too. That's why I replied. Powerful Karma (talk) 13:58, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Powerful Karma The claim seems to be wrong. When I checked the article Karayilekku Oru Kadal Dooram now it has a reference before you have nominated it for AFD. Currently the webpage is not available, but InternetArchiveBot has already achieved it and added that link in 2020.-❙❚❚❙❙ GnOeee ❚❙❚❙❙ ✉ 14:15, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

This does not meet NFILM. Nothing other than the award. Powerful Karma (talk) 14:20, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

• I’m going to recuse myself from participating in the AFD because I admit I do have a bias as to this situation or any situation baring a semblance to this, on one hand I have a new editor who I expressly told to come to me whenever they were confused, on the other hand I have an editor trying to prove the new editor isn’t “new”, a situation I have been in severally whilst fighting undisclosed paid editing. whilst my 'hands are tied' I can however speak on editor conduct and how to handle this correctly. Firstly, @TheWikiholic, I don’t doubt your experience here, I don’t doubt that you believe your motives are genuine , and of course I don’t doubt your expertise either. I haven’t looked into anything pedantically but from what has been said here, I can say this; speedy closing an AFD as Keep without a single keep !vote generally falls under WP:BADNAC, even if there were more than 1 keep !vote, Futhermore, criterion #2 of WP:CSK has to be glaring, that is, very obvious, such as (WP:GAME) or Revenge nominations, If not, isn’t a valid rationale to speedy close an AFD. If you think there is something off with Powerful Karma, as correctly suggested by Bbb23, you can, with cogent evidence take that to WP:AN/I or open an WP:SPI, If not, just allow it, several good faith editors and even administrators have been burned because of this, even when it was crystal clear they had good motives and the integrity of the collaborative project at heart. Now, @Powerful Karma, nominating or mass nominating articles due to lack of sources isn’t the right approach, lack of sources, except for WP:BLP’s (which fall under WP:BLPPROD) isn’t a valid reason to nominate an article for deletion, rather, you perform a WP:BEFORE look for sources and add it to the article, in the absence an AFD is valid. Finally, these comments should be made to the appropriate AFD venues and not here. Consensus is determined by the community in the appropriate venues. Celestina007 (talk) 14:51, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Just wanted to say...

Just wanted to tell you how excellent this is: Interplay between UPE , Sockpuppetry & Advanced User Rights on your user page, and hope one day you turn it into an essay for the community. UPE's and socks burn up so much of our time and energy in maintaining the integrity of the 'pedia when we could be doing more productive things. I never made the connection with user rights until I read this. Thank you, and hope all is well. Netherzone (talk) 17:16, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Netherzone, All is well, well except for my acromegaly that is, haha, thanks for the kind words and do stay safe, I probably might, at this juncture I’m taking one step at a time. Once again, your kind words are appropriated. Happy weekend amigo! Celestina007 (talk) 17:22, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Celestina007, and you also enjoy the weekend, my fellow editor on another continent! Netherzone (talk) 17:26, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Netherzone, From Nigeria with love. Celestina007 (talk) 19:56, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

I saw in a message below that you are in the hospital. Hope it goes well, and that you have a good recovery. Please don't let wikipedia add stress to your life. When problem editors get me down, I think of it like characters in a situation comedy and that always seems to make me smile. Netherzone (talk) 02:01, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

@Netherzone, thanks for the kind words NZ. A hobby can’t stress you now can it? It’s an acromegaly related surgery. But oh my! It’s a good feeling to feel this loved. Celestina007 (talk) 08:52, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

UNFAIR REJECTION

Please state how does it qualify in WP_NOT Sequel5 (talk) 21:46, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Sequel5, WP:NOT references using Wikipedia for purposes not compatible with our terms of use. In this case that would using Wikipedia as a means for promoting a non notable organization. Have you read WP:GNG yet? if not, reading it now would prove helpful. Celestina007 (talk) 21:52, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

I believe it is "promoting a non notable organization just because I do not know of an independent reference. Cause the company seems to be very popular in the surroundings. But now I know the reason. Thanks. Will request again once other independent sources cover about the company Sequel5 (talk) 22:25, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Sequel5, a popular company doesn’t necessarily mean a notable company. Popularity may not be used interchangeably with notability as they aren’t one and the same. For the article to be accepted, WP:NCORP has to be met and for NCORP to be met reliable sources must be used in the article. I’m willing to assist you so if you have more questions let me know. Celestina007 (talk) 22:32, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

I understood. Can anyone else other than me in the future edit and approve the same? I wish I want to be the first to publish this. Please let me know Sequel5 (talk) 22:39, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Sequel5, yes insofar as the organization satisfies NCORP anyone may in the future add more sources to the article or re-write the article and submit it for approval at AFC. Celestina007 (talk) 22:44, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

You were very informative. Thank you! Sequel5 (talk) 23:00, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Sequel5, glad I could be of help. Celestina007 (talk) 23:04, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi - hope all is well with you. Thanks for your recent pings and your work in patrolling new pages I've started. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 07:55, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

@Lugnuts, you are welcome mate. Celestina007 (talk) 08:00, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Regrets

Was working on an artiste who is culturally significant important to our part of the world, and within minutes, it gets shifted to draft space. In my past experience, an article can remain there in limbo for months, and this is the best way to kill any initiative for contributing to the Wikipedia. My thoughts on this: [18] Fredericknoronha (talk) 21:44, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

@Fredericknoronha, hello, sorry to hear that but unfortunately it did not meet the requirements to remain on mainspace. The article comprised of three sources, a user generated sources and two other sources which were music download websites. However, I did see potential, hence I drafitified the article and did not nominate it for deletion, the article in draftspace allows you ample time to look for better sources to add to the article. I should however mention that the article does indeed have an encyclopedic tone, but a WP:BEFORE search i conducted didn’t turn up much, perhaps you would have better luck than I did. I should also correct a misconception here, which is, observing other articles on Wikipedia having average or bad sources shouldn’t be a reason to equally do the same. I do not mean to be offensive if it comes off to you as such. I’m happy to answer more questions from you. Celestina007 (talk) 22:01, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Not that I intend to keep getting caught in such issues, but I do feel there is an underlying systemic bias against (i) smaller communities (ii) those which are less digitised, especially in a global context which hardly reports on 95% of the planet (iii) those on the "periphery" of the larger cities and seemingly far away from the "centre of the world" when it comes to creating and retaining articles on the Wikipedia, particularly the English Wikipedia. We are often told/hinted that we should be working on smaller, regional Wikipedias (suggested as an alternative to English). My only point is that I can't really help if English has become my first language, due to circumstances of history beyond my control. It is unfair if not illogical to assume that the "ownership" of the language should be situated somewhere in Western Europe or Northern America. Have faced this problem many times, and I only wish more editors would appreciate such issues or how it affects the attempts to build "the sum total of the knowledge of the world". The one-size-fits-all approach cannot really take care of global diversity... Fredericknoronha (talk) 22:20, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Also, had mentioned that I was in the process of getting the citations. A little time could have been given. Once in Draft, it takes months together (see the link above, to one specific case, involving a prominent institution in our region) to get it out of draft. Fredericknoronha (talk) 22:24, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

@Fredericknoronha, The draftspace was designed for editors to perfect their work(which includes sourcing) as a prerequisite for publishing to mainspace. Furthermore, it isn’t necessary hard to get a draft article out of draftspace to mainspace. You could resubmit the draft and ping me to have a second look at the draft article and if it looks okay(all problems addressed) I could always accept and publish it to mainspace immediately. Celestina007 (talk) 22:33, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
	For all the help and advice on recent sock-related events. Maybe a more subtle approach is for the best, instead of my kick the door down and ask questions later technique! Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 16:34, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

@Lugnuts, Aye! You are far too kind. Celestina007 (talk) 17:58, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

No problem. I see while I've been having the luxury of sleep, you've had a chance to sample the delights of the drama board! Never a dull day in Wiki-land. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 07:40, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

@Lugnuts, it’s way too funny, I have an editor extremely vexed at me because I caught them engaging in UPE. In any case they have been handed a block for a week. Celestina007 (talk) 07:45, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

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Hello

Can you please look into this?.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:07, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

@TheWikiholic, I’m editing from a hospital bed so please bare with me if the replies are slow. Their WiFi is horrible, Okay let’s start, it does appear to be conflict of interest editing, you know how we do it, leave a warning message on the tp of the editor involved, (try and engage them) if they deny it, ask about the image and how it came about to be their “own work” if the answers are improbable or appear to be intentionally deceptive, it implies they aren’t here to build an encyclopedia and are deserving of a block, so what you do next is to take them to the COIBOARD, after which you then go back to the article perform a WP:BEFORE search if the subject is not notable, nominate it for deletion. Furthermore check the article for spam links and remove them. Celestina007 (talk) 17:54, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear that you are unwell. I hope you have a speedy recovery and that I hope that Wikipedia didn't add to any stress for you. Best wishes. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:41, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

@Liz, thanks for the love Liz, It’s no wiki related stress, trust me, what you love can’t really stress you, it’s acromegaly related. Celestina007 (talk) 08:49, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Random

Hi, what's your take on the current happening in the South Eastern part of Nigeria especially with respect to the president's recent announcement? Stormy Chamber (talk) 21:26, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

@Stormy Chamber, Marvel, I consider them incendiary, Unbecoming of the traits of any Leader, I honestly can’t be bothered about Nigeria, the country is headed towards a civil war and if it does come to that I honestly would move to Utah. “The south easterners would soon receive the shock of their lives”, what sort of president says such? the country is going into a civil war before 2024 & Mi o raye oshi, I’m definitely moving out. Celestina007 (talk) 21:43, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for responding, nice to hear from you again. A great thing you have options. To be clear, I think the statement was "Whoever wants the destruction of the system will soon have the shock of their lives".