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Former good articleTom Brady was one of the Sports and recreation good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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DateProcessResult
February 8, 2006Good article nomineeListed
February 12, 2006Peer reviewReviewed
April 25, 2006Featured article candidateNot promoted
June 10, 2009Good article reassessmentDelisted
September 10, 2012Good article nomineeNot listed
Current status: Delisted good article

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Picture

Why is his lead picture of him in a He's played one year for and like 17 for New England. The image should be of him in a Patriots jersey. Ejkrause (talk) 03:19, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply] 

He's most notable (now) for being a  not a Patriot. Notability = most recent major accomplishment. Biden was a senator for 36 years, yet most articles will note him as the 46th president, even though he's only been a president for a couple weeks now. Trump was a reality show host for a decade, yet no lead is going mention he was a Reality Show host before being noted as the 45th president. Brady won the Super Bowl with the  at the age of 43, his most notable and recent accomplishment. Not to mention he'll likely retire and be remembered as a  legend. Once Brady retires, then the picture will likely be neutral with him wearing  Patriots  gear(Like other players with notable careers on two or more teams). This is standard practice on Wikipedia.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.189.4.21 (talk) 21:12, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, but he won 6 Super Bowls with New Englanf. I'd say that him in a Tampa jersey is an example of recency bias. Ejkrause (talk) 04:23, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RfC GOAT

Keep or remove the 'greatest of all time' sentence in the lede. Broadly construed, all formulations. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 19:42, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

  • Remove from lede as this sentence is subject of excess tagging and weasel words, as we are attempting to summarize an opinion that is not yet consensus (despite being obvious that is probably one of the greatest). This can be better evaluated in the article itself. Its already pretty obvious he is great as all his major records are also contained in the lede, we don't need excess puffery. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 19:46, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove Greatest is vague puffery. We can simply list his accomplishments and people will get the idea. Citing 'many sports writers, commentators, and players' is bad practice overall. Bonewah (talk) 21:25, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove Not very encyclopediac. ~ HAL333 22:11, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep when supported by WP:WEIGHT of sources. Editors often misapply WP:WEASEL, which says: They may also be used in the lead section of an article or in a topic sentence of a paragraph, and the article body or the rest of the paragraph can supply attribution. Likewise, views that are properly attributed to a reliable source may use similar expressions, if those expressions accurately represent the opinions of the source.—Bagumba (talk) 08:13, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep It's not weasel wording. We're not putting this in Wikipedia's voice. We are simply reporting that multiple sources say this, with references. And what "excess tagging"? Do you mean the sourcing? The multiple sources are presumably there because otherwise this would be puffery and weasel wording. Meters (talk) 09:06, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep the article does not claim he is. The sentence clearly states that he is recognized as such by others and the sources are credible. It is part of his notability. Darwin Naz (talk) 00:27, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep It's not un-encyclopedic to say he has been widely described by professionals with the literal word-for-word quote: "greatest-of-all-time". This isn't an adjective assigned by biased wiki editors, but from real journalists and his peers, both past and present. No one has an issue with Wayne Gretzky's article citing him as "the Great One." Mushh94 (talk) 01:06, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The Great One, The Boss, The King of Pop, etc are all nicknames. We are not discussing a nickname here. We are discussing if we want to say in wikivoice 'some people' (weasel) think Brady is the GOAT. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 17:56, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
In many ways the "GOAT" is a nickname - not just an accolade - that has become synonymous with Brady. Mushh94 (talk) 20:49, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, WEASEL does not say "never" like you are insisting that it does.—Bagumba (talk) 06:22, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. We've been over this before and his case for being the greatest of all time has only gotten stronger since then. Michael Jordan and Babe Ruth, both featured articles, make similar claims and no one gives a shit. -- Calidum 10:48, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove - This is way too subjective to place in a lead section. Probably a legacy section would be better to discuss it. If it remains in the lead it should certainly be changed to "one of the greatest qbs of all-time." This is the type of thing that gives any encyclopedia a bad name. Fyunck(click) (talk) 03:14, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. We're not saying he's the greatest of all time. We're saying he's widely considered the greatest of all time. That's not subjective. That's a fact. Somarain (talk) 01:29, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Wasn’t this already discussed excruciatingly circa 2019? By this point it just seems like the "he's not my GOAT, so he's not THE GOAT" peanut gallery. This is about professional opinions, not editors'. Trillfendi (talk) 20:21, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I would not be opposed to saying is Brady GOAT, however I am opposed to putting these type of speculative non-consenus based opinions in wikipedia. They devalue the encyclopedic nature of the platform as they fly in the face of NPOV, especially as related BLPs, and even more when they are still active in the sport (leading to my hero will beat up your hero arguments). Jtbobwaysf (talk) 07:54, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
NPOV does not mean no POV at all. If the WP:WEIGHT of coverage describes a player as being the greatest, not mentioning that would be a non-neutral representation.—Bagumba (talk) 10:18, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. Removing the information entirely is even more non-neutral considering how many sources there are out there saying he is considered one of the greatest. Gonk (talk) 19:06, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Well that's the thing. We know many WP:RSOPINION consider him the greatest but we do not know the weight without an actual literature review. This sort of thing is not usually done with sports, which involves so much peacockry. At least with Michael Jordan, the GOAT attribution came from the official website of the NBA. Morbidthoughts (talk) 00:50, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
... we do not know the weight without an actual literature review: See Talk:Tom_Brady/Archives/2020/April#Greatest_QB_in_NFL_history.—Bagumba (talk) 04:52, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No I mean an actual literature review published by a reliable source. Not wikipedia editors doing a google search for their position. Morbidthoughts (talk) 00:14, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Why don't we just say he's "one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time"? That'll do. It's a good compromise. This guy might be great, even legendary, but he's not invincible or unbeatable. Everyone knows. As the famous saying goes, it doesn't matter if the whole world decides that something wrong is something right. Brady being the greatest of all time is an opinion, not a fact. A widely held opinion, and a well-deserved opinion, to be honest. But that does NOT make it fact. 204.184.29.239 (talk) 23:59, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's exactly what it should be in an encyclopedia..."one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time." This is so subjective it should really be placed in a legacy section, not the lead section, but if it stays it should be toned down to something realistic. Fyunck(click) (talk) 03:07, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Except it's not subjective that Brady is widely considered the greatest quarterback of all time, it's a fact. --Somarain (talk) 01:26, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Widely" is a weasel-word (see WP:WEASEL). There isn't much doubt that "one of the greatest" isn't contested, but "greatest" very much is. Tarl N. (discuss) 02:07, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Image

Isn’t there another image we can use of Brady where he doesn’t have a helmet on or you can see his face better? Bmorrow151 (talk) 04:17, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Its tricky, because there are lots of conditions an image must meet before its okay to be on Wikipedia, such as copyright, etc, etc... EliteArcher88 (talk) 23:41, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 4 April 2021

Brightonpoo (talk) 23:40, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have alot more info on him

Not done – empty request, please structure your request so that it is clear what changes you actually want made. If you want permission to edit the article you can request confirmed status at WP:RFPERM, however, if you do that you'll have to indicate why you should be exempt from the the customary confirmation period. Ericfood (talk | contribs) 02:34, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 4 April 2021 (2)

tom brady didnt really like playing football when he was young Brightonpoo (talk) 23:43, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Brady quote: “I have a great time. I love this sport. I’ve loved playing it since I was a kid. It’s hard for me to imagine doing anything else in life. I love playing ball, so to still be out here at 41, soon to be 42, it’s pretty good,” Brady said. [5] WikiVirusC(talk) 02:19, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Patriots Dynasty or Dynasties???

Wouldn't it be more accurate to include that Brady lead the 2 Patriots dynasties as they are definitely distinct and separate dynasties?

2001-2004 dynasty and then the entirely separate 2014-2018 dynasty.

I'm posing the question because Brady seems to have ended the 'Greatest Show on Turf' dynasty of the Rams before it became a dynasty.... Then ended the 'Legion of Boom' dynasty of the Seahawks before it became a dynasty.... and now may have ended the 'Run it Back' dynasty of the Chiefs while possibly being in the process of forming his own 3rd dynasty in Tampa Raleigh80Z90Faema69 (talk) 14:54, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Most will still count it as one Dynasty. Even though rest of team was different, both runs were part of the Brady-Belichick Dynasty. Even without the Superbowl win the 16-0 is part of the Dynasty, along with the other Giant's loss. If they weren't still going to the Superbowl every 3-4 years, I would consider it two Dynasties, but they kept at it even during their "slump". WikiVirusC(talk) 17:11, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 9 May 2021

Spelling mistake:

On February 11, 2021, it was revealed that Brady had been dealing with knee discomfort through most of the 2020 season, and would require a minor arthroscope for a routine cleanup.[402] The word "arthroscope" should be changed to "arthroscopy". JF10000 (talk) 20:03, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. Ferkjl (talk) 20:11, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Access

Dante1111454266643 (talk) 19:07, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: Empty request Ben ❯❯❯ Talk 00:58, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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