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It's Dolly not Dolley

Her name was Dolly, not Dolley. There is no evidence that she ever spelled her name Dolley. Some ignorant pedants found a purported birth certificate with her name misspelled, and have corrupted Wikipedia with this incorrect name. The section on the spelling has no citation for this wild claim.  Randall Bart   Talk  23:42, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

To GA?

I'd like to try to bring this article to GA in the next 2-3 months, both as a prelude to working on the James Madison article and as a contribution to the Gender gap task force. It'll be a few weeks before I really get started, but I thought I'd begin by leaving a note here to say hello and to ask for input from established editors of the page. What changes would you like to see here as I work?

A few preliminary things on my list:

  • Triple or quadruple the overall length of the article. Madison has a better claim to historical significance than most first ladies, and there's no shortage of material about her life to draw on.
  • Include more about her political significance as a Washington hostess and her role in furthering her husband's career.
  • Significantly reduce the section on "Spelling of her name". This seems to get undue attention (it's hard to imagine a published biography devoting 5-10% of its length to this issue, as our article does here) and to be based mostly on primary sources, raising original research concerns. Ideally we can find secondary sources, such as published academic biographies, that address this instead.
  • Fleshing out the "Representation in other media" section into prose, rather than a list, and addressing the various ways she is remembered (per discussion in reliable sources)

Would be glad to hear the thoughts of any long-time pagewatchers. Looking forward to working with you, Khazar2 (talk) 15:43, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm so disappointed I didn't see this for a whole year! Thank you Khazar2 for starting this conversation. I think having a to do list can be enormously helpful. For now I think my best contribution would be to find some more sources for material already in the article. Knope7 (talk) 18:27, 20 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The White House: Actors and Observers has a chapter about the importance of Dolley's entertaining at the White House. Knope7 (talk) 20:26, 20 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Team-B-Vital Improvement Drive

Hello all!

This article has been chosen as this week's effort for WP:Discord's #team-b-vital channel, a collaborate effort to bring Vital articles up to a B class if possible, similar to WP:Articles for Improvement. This effort will run for up to seven days, ending early if the article is felt to be at B-class or impossible to further improve. Articles are chosen by a quick vote among interested chatters, with the goal of working together on interesting Vital articles that need improving.

Thank you! -- ferret (talk) 00:05, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Changing language in order to humanize the enslaved

I had been working with an editor to update the language and make it more appropriate and humanizing, and even though those edits were not found to be in violation - a user monitoring this page has indicated that I cannot make the edits and instead need to, "Use the article's talk page to discuss the changes you want, why, and what sourcing backs the new language you propose."

I propose the following changes:

1) Replace: "she directed her personal slave Paul Jennings to save it." With: "it was one of the men she enslaved, Paul Jennings, who saved it at her direction."

2) Replace: "[...] which was partially relieved by selling off the plantation and slaves and the sale of her late husband's papers." <- This is also a run on sentence With: "[...] which was partially relieved by selling off land and her late husband's papers. She additionally supplemented her income by selling off members of the enslaved families on her estate."

These two (2) changes convey the same information, but remove the run on sentence as well as changes the language that inaccurately dehumanizes the individuals it refers to.

Please revise.

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