Talk:Hamilton, Ontario

HMCS Star

Hi, I'm looking to add a reference to the naval reserve unit HMCS Star to the article but I obviously do not want to damage the FA status. . . where should I place it? And I suppose too we could put all other military reserve divisions there, but I'm less acquainted with them.--Cpt ricard (talk) 23:09, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

What kind of content were you thinking? Maybe you could post a link to a sandbox where you had drafted something up? Alan.ca (talk) 05:10, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

I just went ahead and added a small paragraph to wiki the government military side of things, under the government section. Please obviously fix up as necessary. --Cpt ricard (talk) 00:41, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

I see what you added in the government section about there being a "strong military presence" in Hamilton. I'm not sure I agree with the statement. I'm going to leave it there, but it seems there must be a better way to touch on the subject without making it sound like military city.Alan.ca (talk) 06:15, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

To be fair, in comparison with other Canadian cities, there _is_ a strong military presence. We've the 2nd or 3rd largest naval reserve division, three different branches and not to mention the john foote armoury which is about the same size as the armoury in Halifax. Granted, it's not Borden or Esquimalt but if you walk around downtown you're bound to see army and sometimes navy personnel. There might arguably be more military personnel than Toronto, as well as most other major cities, but that's not a claim I can back up with actual stats. It _is_ subjective though, so we can definitely remove it if it detracts from the quality of the article.--Cpt ricard (talk) 02:58, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

When you say second or third largest Naval reserve, do you mean Canada wide? If you mean 2nd or 3rd in Ontario, Hamilton would place as the 2nd or 3rd largest in many areas. For example, I believe we have the 2nd/3rd largest housing provider in Hamilton. Possibly the 3rd Largest municipal airport? Do you have any data on what percentage of the city's workforce is employed by the military? Are there any military contractors in Hamilton? These are the kinds of things I would like to see to be convinced it is fair to say there is a strong military presence. Alan.ca (talk) 09:41, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Erland museum integration?

The Erland Lee (Museum) Home (c. 1808) is a National Historic Site of Canada on the Canadian Register of Historic Places. An Ontario Historical Plaque in front of the Erland Lee Museum was erected by the province to commemorate the First Women's Institute's role in Ontario's heritage.

I just pulled this from the lead, can someone consider integrating it into the history section if considered relevant? Alan.ca (talk) 09:44, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

References

Source not verifiable

Does anyone have information about this source:

"History of Industry in Hamilton, Ontario". Retrieved 2008-01-04.

The link is no longer valid and the title doesn't describe the source at all. I am questioning if it is a valid source. Alan.ca (talk) 20:13, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

It's this page. The original location was moved and so it was linked to the Web Archive version, but now it's back on the LAC Electronic Collection page. I've updated the reference. ... discospinster _talk 20:43, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Fattest town in CA?

The Obesity section of the St. Catharines article indicates this might be the case. 72.228.189.184 (talk) 05:39, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Economy of Hamilton, Ontario

Would somebody who edits Hamilton on a regular basis please give Economy of Hamilton, Ontario a good copyedit and wikification? PKT(alk) 16:51, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Barton Township

The only references to Barton Township in the whole of Wikipedia are

• that it is now part of Hamilton (here on the Hamilton page)
• that it was a separated township until 1973 (on the Wentworth County page)

I am looking for the history and geography of Barton Township. Once Hamilton was an independently incorporated town, where were the boundaries between the two? How much annexation went on and when?

Did anything ever happen in Barton when it was outside the city, particularly after 1850? --Oldontarian (talk) 10:55, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Notable people

There seems to be an A LIST and B LIST of Notable People from Hamilton.

What credentials are needed to make the A LIST?

For example, drummer Neil Peart of the rock band RUSH made the A LIST, while Paul Szep only made the B LIST (he won a Pulitzer Prize...twice).

Richard Apple 21:08, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean by A List and B List... there's only one list as far as I can see. (my reading comprehension problem) Paul Szep certainly could be mentioned in this article, it's really about how well- or widely-known the individual is. Everybody knows Neil Peart, for example. There are other Hamiltonians who may be notable enough for a Wikipedia article but naming them without any other context might not ignite recognition in the reader. ... discospinster _talk 02:49, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Below the heading "Notable people" (the A LIST), there is a link to "List of people from Hamilton, Ontario" (the B LIST).

Richard Apple 04:47, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Demographics Update

The population graph is now out of date, would it be better to use a historic population table instead as is standard on most other city pages? Mattximus (talk) 23:33, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Proposal to move names of notable people

I propose that all the names on the "notable people" list in this article be moved to the "list of people from Hamilton, Ontario".

Having a small list of names on the article page, and a much larger list of names on a separate list, is confusing for editors wishing to add a new name. It may also suggest the names on one list are "more important" than those on the other list. It also seems common practice for larger cities (eg. London, Calgary). Thank you for your input. Richard Apple (talk) 19:51, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I propose that the Hamilton Fire Department be merged into Hamilton, Ontario. I think that there is not enough reason to have a separate article for the fire department, considering how much of a stub it is.

Easily a large and significant enough organisation for its own article, as already determined on the AfD discussion. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:57, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Hamilton, Ontario/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

*GA Rating Assigned Feb/07

Last edited at 05:07, 21 February 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 17:04, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

What factors after The War of 1812 were most responsible for Hamilton's accelerated rise in importance?

Hello Wikipedia editors of Hamilton, ON

First of all. I had not realized Hamilton, ON was a featured site otherwise I would not have modified its History section the other day without input. First of all my phrasing “… the fact that in 1816 it was chosen over Ancaster, Ontario …” needs to be modified because people that generally live outside of the golden horseshoe region have never heard of Ancaster. Thus the two options would be to include a qualifier “…. it was chose over its more established neighour Ancaster, Ontario…” or to exclude Ancaster from the sentence entirely. Personally I think the inclusion of Ancaster is interesting because few people know that Ancaster was actually the economic powerhouse of the Gore District until the late 1820’s probably due the geological accident of an opening in the escarpment and the intersection of 2 very important prehistorical indigenous Mohawk and Iroquois roadways occurring precisely at Ancaster village. One historical item seems to be missing in this article is as to what economic impact the Great Western Railway had on Hamilton? Another question is why was Hamilton picked to be the administrative center for the new Gore District in 1816 as Ancaster was clearly more influential at that point-in-time. Dundas would not have its Desjardin canal completed until 1837. Was the writing simply on the wall that being closer to Lake Ontario just provided a more pronounced future economic advantage even though the Burlington canal wouldn’t be completed until 1832. How influential was the prehistorical Iroquois trail that traversed from New York State to Queenston to Hamilton, Brantford, Long Point and Detroit on the development of Hamilton (and its Mohawk accompanying trail on the mountain)? How important economically was the cheap hydro electricity that Hamilton received at the turn of the 20th century from the newly built Niagara generators in enticing industry to locate there? I guess my main question is why did the economic and social development of Hamilton accelerate so rapidly after the War of 1812? Just before the war started Ancaster had been officially selected to be the administrative centre for the new Gore District but due the distractions of battle this never officially came to fruition. The subsequent 1816 vote as everyone knows went firmly in Hamilton’s favour. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beatles1959 (talk • contribs) 16:55, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Time for a featured article review?

I was just scanning this page and noticed it is very far from current featured list standards, since it was nominated in 2007. I'm proposing bringing it to featured article review, unless there are any objections. Some issues include:

• Very outdated demographics section, using data from 2006 census. Also it has a very odd structure starting with 2006 census, then a bit about 2011 census, then a random mention of the 2014 sanctuary city proposal (why is this in demographics?), then back to 2011. Then a paragraph from Environics Analytics which is completely out of place and promotional.

• Climate section has an unsourced paragraph about differences in temperatures at airport. Unsourced paragraph in government as well. Unsourced paragraph (out of place) in education. Unsourced statements are everywhere "The city plans to continue their fight for an NHL team"... etc... Barelink ref 82...

• History is out of order, talks about Tim Hortons opening in 1964, then amalgamation in 2001, then a non-notable fire in 1997... it's just random facts without a narrative.

• Economy section has weird speculative section on "aerotropolis" and random reports about lands that could be developped. All of this is completely inappropriate.

• Completely inappropriate sentences including " During JUNOfest, hundreds of local acts performed across the city, bringing thousands of tourists." without citations.

• Sections Attractions and Notable People are just blank with a link.

Really this page has very serious issues, and it seems like a lot of work to bring it up to good article standard, let alone featured list standard. I think it will benefit from review with more eyes on the page. Mattximus (talk) 13:43, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Need guidance to avoid an edit war

I had added fully cited content to the Hospitals section which I had added to this article today. (There was no section discussing hospitals previously.) Some of it was just deleted, with the claim that it was not sourced. There was a citation that I added and the St. Joseph's Healthcare Hamilton article has other citations.

@Vaselineeeeeeee I know you are an experienced editor from other articles we have both contributed to. Could you take a look at this and provide some guidance? This is the content:

   There here is another hospital group in Hamilton, not related to the Health Sciences group, St. Joseph's Healthcare Hamilton, with 777 beds; of these, 600 are located at the Charleton St. Campus. The hospital group also has two other locations (campuses). St. Joseph's serves as the regional kidney transplant centre and also provides acute care, surgical and outpatient services as well as offering services for those suffering from severe mental illness or addiction. ref https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/melissa-farrell-named-new-president-of-st-joseph-s-healthcare-hamilton-895497542.html, Melissa Farrell named new President of St. Joseph's Healthcare Hamilton ref 

Thank you. Peter K Burian (talk) 20:54, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Your thoughts on this Mattximus and HangingCurve? You have both been involved in editing the Hamilton article. Thanks, Peter K Burian (talk) 21:04, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Peter. The source doesn't mention the bed count, etc, I think it's better to leave this part as is, the rest of the details can be found at the main page for the facility. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 21:14, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

OK, thanks, Vaselineeeeeeee. Peter K Burian (talk) 21:17, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

I can have a go at the wording if you like, feel free to revert if you don't like it. Mattximus (talk) 21:43, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Mattximus. Looks fine. Peter K Burian (talk) 23:15, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

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Hockey Team

The local fight to get a NHL team references 2009; I don't know that these pieces of information are relevant anymore. i suggest revisiting this section if not removing it entirely.

Hamilton's attempt at getting its own NHL team is relevant as to its history. These attempts have been discussed in other venues outside the city (and even outside Canada). ... discospinster _talk 21:15, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

FA concerns

I am concerned that this article no longer meets the featured article criteria I have outlined my concerns below:

• A short lede that needs to be expanded
• Multiple sentences and paragraphs that need citations
• Layout concerns causing MOS:SANDWICH
• A history section with no information post-2001
• Lots of small paragraphs that can be merged or reformatted

Is anyone interested in fixing this up? Pinging discospinster and Maclean25 as they were involved in the article's FAC. Z1720 (talk) 16:13, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Nikkimaria, after I posted my notice you made lots of great edits. Are you interested in fixing up this article, or should I nominate this to FAR later this week? Z1720 (talk) 18:47, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Z1720, I'm interested, but am also trying to work on a few others that have been noticed so can't give any guarantees as to timeline. Nikkimaria (talk) 19:32, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

In that case, I won't FAR this. Please ping me when edits are complete and I'll reassess. Z1720 (talk) 19:40, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

@Nikkimaria: is this article at FA standards? If so, can you mark it as such at WP:URFA/2020? If not, are editors still working on this or should we prepare an FAR? Z1720 (talk) 19:10, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping. I would say it's not quite there yet. Did you have concerns other than the ones mentioned above? Nikkimaria (talk) 01:29, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

I took a quick read through the article, and here are some additional concerns:

• The "The Dundas Valley School of Art" paragraph reads a little promotional.
• "Three school boards administer public education" but the paragraph mentions four school boards.
• "Other city relationships:" What kind of relationship does Hamilton have with Porto Alegre?

Let me know when ready for a more thorough review. Z1720 (talk) 18:51, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Sustainability

I am adding a sustainability section. If anyone wishes to participate or help clean up and streamline other sections there is a discussion at the Canadian Wikipedians noticeboard regarding this project. It is a multi-city effort where we will be doing the same for other cities in Canada. Mkevlar (talk) 10:23, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

We have removed this type of section before as a wish list of policies....that said info on current stats would be ok.--Moxy- 21:36, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

In the past, this section would have been speculation but since 2016 sustainability has gained traction across North American cities and can now be considered noteworthy. Mkevlar (talk) 2:55, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Sustainability is not a section expected at community articles according to WP:CCSG. If you want to start doing this across Canadian communities, I suggest you start a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Canadian communities/Structure guideline and place a notice of said discussion here, at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Canadian communities, and at Wikipedia talk:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board to catch a wider audience. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 07:57, 8 July 2021 (UTC)