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The result was merge to Makua people#Religion. Star Mississippi 14:08, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Muluku

Muluku (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This has been flagged as a potential hoax. Not only has the article been an unsourced WP:PERMASTUB since its creation in May 2004, but a search for "Muluku Mozambique" or "Muluku god" or anything come to that mostly returns results that can be traced back to the article itself. There is apparently an OUP book that mentions Muluku, but I’m unable to access it and therefore cannot be sure of its veracity.

This might have been a partial name-change of Nana Buluku. Furthermore, the traditional Makua religion does not have a god of creation per se. The article has not been edited that much since its creation, which is always a red flag, and the writing is some of the worst I’ve ever seen for any Wikipedia article. 00sClassicGamerFan (talk) 15:14, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I poked around Google Books and managed to track down plenty of snippets and previews that back up the story. Here's a few:

  • Animals in Religion: Devotion, Symbol and Ritual, published 2016[1]
  • A Visual Guide to Evolution and Genetics, published 2018[2]
  • African Mythology, A to Z[3]
  • This one is the real kicker as it was published in 1979, so no chance of a Wikipedia hoax corrupting it. Mythologies of the World: A Concise Encyclopedia[4]

I think there are enough sources to make an article viable, although it being all but abandoned for 18 years might make finding editors dicey. Maybe the wikiprojects for Mozambique, mythology, or religion would be interested. Blue Edits (talk) 16:35, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Guess I was wrong! To me, this case is reminiscent of Ruda Real: a likely real entity got corrupted into a fictitious story on Wikipedia.
The 1979 book is an excellent find! Even so, I’m not sure this is notable enough. 00sClassicGamerFan (talk) 21:08, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 20:59, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Keep? Delete? Merge? They all have their advocates.
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The result was keep. It looks like the article has undergone substantial changes since te nomination to remedy some of the nominator's points. Liz Read! Talk! 07:43, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pranav Pandya (AWGP)

Pranav Pandya (AWGP) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Thanks to the stupid WP:DRAFTOBJECT rule, seriously problematic articles can only be draftified once, and then need an AfD or some lame problem tags.

First award, fake. The UK parliament doesn't give this award, some obscure private organisation does.

Second award, probably fake, no actual evidence for this and unlikely that NASA would give awards for being a "reformer of Indian culture".

Third Award, some "Federation of Indian Association" would have named him "Hindu of the Year". This claim is repeated on many pages[5]. Strangely, this award seems not to have been given to anyone else, ever[6]

AfD is not cleanup, but how untrustworthy and dubious does an article have to be before draftifying or WP:TNT is the only solution? Fram (talk) 07:55, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with User:Fram that he doesn't got first 3 awards or honors but without any award and honor he is notable. As he is the head of religious organization AWGP which is the International Religious Organization and also member of the International Movement Yug Nirman Yojna. Contributor008 (talk) 08:13, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Then why didn't you correct this after I moved it draftspace for exactly this reason (dubious awards)? Fram (talk) 08:18, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ok Sorry, Now I have corrected it. Contributor008 (talk) 10:43, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Religion-related deletion discussions. Tillander 21:07, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Mlaka Maliro

Mlaka Maliro (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NMUSICIAN or WP:GNG. Can't find sufficient sources to establish notability in any context. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:38, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  1. Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart: in this case, subject had the album titled Dzanja Lalemba that was the bestseller 14 years ago countrywide. Subject is also the pioneer of Malawi Contemporary Music and one of the country's notable musician [7]https://mwnation.com/mlaka-soldier-set-for-stage-reunion/.
  2. Has released two or more albums on a major record label: subject has released 13 albums under the renowed and the first band in Malawi, the Zembani Band, owned by Lucius Banda [8]https://mwnation.com/mlaka-soldier-set-for-stage-reunion/, [9]https://mwnation.com/mlaka-rolls-back-hands-of-time/ . I found this that talks about subject. I also found records in printed books, see here, and this in Dutch , this too, etc. To me this provides GNG that can be used to sustain the article per WP:NEXIST.--Tumbuka Arch (talk) 11:47, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Onam and Islamic Preachers

Onam and Islamic Preachers (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The recent comments by few religious leaders, which kerala as a whole took it as communal and non secular , should not be given weightage in Wikipedia here. so i find it is non sense to add as an article. This is a Wikipedia article on communal speeches of 2-3 islamic speakers. Also note that in the article Onam it is said that it is a Hindu festival. From the point of islam, celebrating festivals of other religion is not allowed. So creating an article on specific to Onam based on 2-3 Islamic speeches is non sense. Also article used unreliable source such as sunnivoice.net and only news links of Islamic preachers making communal speeches on celebrating Onam

You can find the artcile here: [1]

another one : [2]

"There is no legal text compatible to this produced even after five centuries from the region, but some preachers with the influence of Arab cultural Islam and its wide influence in the various realm create commotions through unexpected comments against Onam celebrations of Muslim communities. The idea of branding of other cultures as un-Islamic was introduced as part of ‘reform’, but now it silently lingers even the tongue of traditionalists."

These are comments passed by one or two islamic preachers and never to be considered the view point of all Muslims of Kerala. They have rejected these as seen from the article.

The religious organization of muslims in kerala , which represent 95% of muslims in kerala are : Sunni organizations (AP or EK).

These organizations never said 'officially' any comment on onam. Usually it is through fatwa Muslims organizations declare their views. No one released a fatwa.

Mere communal comments of some communal leaders cannot be considered as a mass view and never to be the part of wikipedia as an article

This is a religious promotional article , only made from 2-3 religious preachers speeches

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Islam, Hinduism, and Kerala. Shellwood (talk) 16:41, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. This is a subarticle of the main article Onam. This article was created apparently because there was a lot of vandalism on the page Onam because several people wanted to remove content that say Islam is against celebrating non-Muslims' celebrations including Onam. EK Sunnis' several organisations, in a joint statement, has said Islam is against following rituals of other religions.[3] Moreover, Simsarul Haq Hudawi, belonging to EK Sunnis, has said celebrating Onam is not allowed in Islam.[4] Ponmala Abdul Qadir Musliyar, secretary of Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama of AP Sunnis has said Islam does not allow to participate in celebratory or non-celebratory activity of non-Muslims.[5] Mujahids also have said Islam is against celebrating Onam. Reference for all for them are given in the article itself. Fsrvb is one of the persons who belong to those who engage in vandalism by removing content (see: 1 , 2 and 3) saying it is not notable but notability applies to the article as whole, not to content in it. However Wikipedia is not a place to present opinion which few or no one believe. But that is not case here: overwhelming majority of Muslims including Sunnis and Mujahid Salafis have asked Muslims to avoid participating in the Onam celebration. In Kerala 85% (75%+10%) of Muslims belong to either AP or EK or Mujahid organisations (read the article). See: WP:DUE which says:

If you can prove a theory that few or none believe, Wikipedia is not the place to present such proof.

The article suggested for deletion is notable and would avoid vandalism and there is enough reason to create a separate article. Fsrvb, who created an account on 28 July 2024, moved the page Onam and Islam whose name at the time was Onam and Muslims to Onam and Islamic Preachers. Fsrvb also suggested the article for deletion. The page Onam is protected for an indefinite period because the topic is controversial. There has been vandalism on the article Onam several times. The vandals were removing the word related to Hinduism to remove mentioning the association of Onam with Hindus and Hinduism(1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12) Such vandalism or disruptive edits were reverted by adding the term which shows the topic's association with Hinduism or Hindus (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8). Similar edits (1, 2, 3, 4) have been done by Fsrvb. Hence this suggestion for deletion of the article is part of vandalism of removal of content.Neutralhappy (talk) 22:49, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep per Neutralhappy. The article was created as a subarticle and to spread the DUE that was given to that topic. There are various reliable sources that cover the topic significantly and hence SIGCOV and GNG are met. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 13:42, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Guru Vandana

Guru Vandana (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Per WP:NOTDICTIONARY. The article is a dictionary entry. C F A 💬 19:16, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete. It does look like a simple dictionary entry. No WP:SIGCOV and not much to discuss to develop an encyclopedia article. Prof.PMarini (talk) 08:06, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. This article is a dictionary entry at present, but Helpful Raccoon's sources show that it could certainly be expanded beyond that. In the meantime, we might want to redirect this somewhere - if anyone has an idea as to where, I'd be interested to hear it. If we don't come up with a good redirect location, the article should be kept. -- asilvering (talk) 00:50, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Final redirect, if this page was Redirected, what would be the target article?
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Delete no WP:SIGCOV about the topic Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 03:57, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Islam

Muhammad Noer (Pacitan)

Muhammad Noer (Pacitan) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Biography of a person, not properly sourced as having any strong claim to passing a Wikipedia inclusion criterion. The attempted notability claim is that he was involved in the creation of mosques in a village, which is in no way an automatic notability freebie without WP:GNG-worthy sourcing to support it, but the only "source" here just tangentially verifies the existence of the region the subject lived in without ever once mentioning his name at all, and thus clearly isn't about him for the purposes of helping to get him over GNG.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to have any coverage in reliable sources. Bearcat (talk) 15:36, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Onam and Islamic Preachers

Onam and Islamic Preachers (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The recent comments by few religious leaders, which kerala as a whole took it as communal and non secular , should not be given weightage in Wikipedia here. so i find it is non sense to add as an article. This is a Wikipedia article on communal speeches of 2-3 islamic speakers. Also note that in the article Onam it is said that it is a Hindu festival. From the point of islam, celebrating festivals of other religion is not allowed. So creating an article on specific to Onam based on 2-3 Islamic speeches is non sense. Also article used unreliable source such as sunnivoice.net and only news links of Islamic preachers making communal speeches on celebrating Onam

You can find the artcile here: [6]

another one : [7]

"There is no legal text compatible to this produced even after five centuries from the region, but some preachers with the influence of Arab cultural Islam and its wide influence in the various realm create commotions through unexpected comments against Onam celebrations of Muslim communities. The idea of branding of other cultures as un-Islamic was introduced as part of ‘reform’, but now it silently lingers even the tongue of traditionalists."

These are comments passed by one or two islamic preachers and never to be considered the view point of all Muslims of Kerala. They have rejected these as seen from the article.

The religious organization of muslims in kerala , which represent 95% of muslims in kerala are : Sunni organizations (AP or EK).

These organizations never said 'officially' any comment on onam. Usually it is through fatwa Muslims organizations declare their views. No one released a fatwa.

Mere communal comments of some communal leaders cannot be considered as a mass view and never to be the part of wikipedia as an article

This is a religious promotional article , only made from 2-3 religious preachers speeches

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Islam, Hinduism, and Kerala. Shellwood (talk) 16:41, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. This is a subarticle of the main article Onam. This article was created apparently because there was a lot of vandalism on the page Onam because several people wanted to remove content that say Islam is against celebrating non-Muslims' celebrations including Onam. EK Sunnis' several organisations, in a joint statement, has said Islam is against following rituals of other religions.[8] Moreover, Simsarul Haq Hudawi, belonging to EK Sunnis, has said celebrating Onam is not allowed in Islam.[9] Ponmala Abdul Qadir Musliyar, secretary of Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama of AP Sunnis has said Islam does not allow to participate in celebratory or non-celebratory activity of non-Muslims.[10] Mujahids also have said Islam is against celebrating Onam. Reference for all for them are given in the article itself. Fsrvb is one of the persons who belong to those who engage in vandalism by removing content (see: 1 , 2 and 3) saying it is not notable but notability applies to the article as whole, not to content in it. However Wikipedia is not a place to present opinion which few or no one believe. But that is not case here: overwhelming majority of Muslims including Sunnis and Mujahid Salafis have asked Muslims to avoid participating in the Onam celebration. In Kerala 85% (75%+10%) of Muslims belong to either AP or EK or Mujahid organisations (read the article). See: WP:DUE which says:

If you can prove a theory that few or none believe, Wikipedia is not the place to present such proof.

The article suggested for deletion is notable and would avoid vandalism and there is enough reason to create a separate article. Fsrvb, who created an account on 28 July 2024, moved the page Onam and Islam whose name at the time was Onam and Muslims to Onam and Islamic Preachers. Fsrvb also suggested the article for deletion. The page Onam is protected for an indefinite period because the topic is controversial. There has been vandalism on the article Onam several times. The vandals were removing the word related to Hinduism to remove mentioning the association of Onam with Hindus and Hinduism(1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12) Such vandalism or disruptive edits were reverted by adding the term which shows the topic's association with Hinduism or Hindus (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8). Similar edits (1, 2, 3, 4) have been done by Fsrvb. Hence this suggestion for deletion of the article is part of vandalism of removal of content.Neutralhappy (talk) 22:49, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep per Neutralhappy. The article was created as a subarticle and to spread the DUE that was given to that topic. There are various reliable sources that cover the topic significantly and hence SIGCOV and GNG are met. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 13:42, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Shiites Against War

Shiites Against War (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No in depth cogerage in secondary reliable sources, probably too soon. According to the references, so far this is about a Facebook campaign and there's just not that much coverage, or reliable sources supporting this is an "emerging movement". MarioGom (talk) 14:22, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Namdhari Movement

Namdhari Movement (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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User Charhat Singh unilaterally split the main Namdhari article into two separate articles: Namdhari Movement and Kuka Samparda without any consensus nor justification. I propose the Kuka Samparda article be deleted as well. MaplesyrupSushi (talk) 12:31, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Katoch–Sikh war

Katoch–Sikh war (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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A few unreliable sources- Ref 1) by Khazan Singh was published in 1914, and the author is not a historian. Ref 8) by Mark Brentnall is a self published source with no information available about the author. Ref 7) by Amarinder Singh, the author is a politician not a historian. In addition, refs 2) and 3) are improperly cited, do not have a page number or a proper url to a page discussing the subject at hand and thus fail WP:V. The remaining sources make only passing mention of this battle/conflicts between Sansar Chand Katoch and Ranjit Singh, and subsequently focus far more on Chand and Ranjit Singh's alliance against the Nepalis; the actual "war" content between the 2 in these books fails WP:SIGCOV by a long shot. The article's information is best suited as a prelude/context in the page Nepal-Sikh war due to the aforementioned proportionality of coverage surrounding the two's alliance. In addition, the creator of the article created numerous low quality pages to inundate Wikipedia with articles aggrandizing his religion's military history.Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 19:13, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. I'd like to hear opinions from editors with more experience at AFD and, ideally, with this subject area.
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Miscellaneous

  1. ^ https://www.deccanchronicle.com/nation/current-affairs/160919/to-celebrate-or-not-to-celebrate.html</nowiki>
  2. ^ https://www.indiatoday.in/fyi/story/muslim-man-celebrates-onam-kerala-payasam-fest-340645-2016-09-12
  3. ^ "Sunni outfits slam Muneer". The Times of India. 2016-09-09. ISSN 0971-8257. Archived from the original on 2023-07-30. Retrieved 2023-07-30.
  4. ^ "Muslims should diplomatically keep off Onam-Christmas celebrations:Religious speaker makes controversial statement". Archived from the original on 2023-07-30. Retrieved 17 April 2020.
  5. ^ Ponmala Abdul Qadir Musliyar (2015). "Religious reasonabilities of nilavilak aversion". sunnivoice.net (in Malayalam). Archived from the original on 2018-11-24. Retrieved 2023-07-28.
  6. ^ https://www.deccanchronicle.com/nation/current-affairs/160919/to-celebrate-or-not-to-celebrate.html</nowiki>
  7. ^ https://www.indiatoday.in/fyi/story/muslim-man-celebrates-onam-kerala-payasam-fest-340645-2016-09-12
  8. ^ "Sunni outfits slam Muneer". The Times of India. 2016-09-09. ISSN 0971-8257. Archived from the original on 2023-07-30. Retrieved 2023-07-30.
  9. ^ "Muslims should diplomatically keep off Onam-Christmas celebrations:Religious speaker makes controversial statement". Archived from the original on 2023-07-30. Retrieved 17 April 2020.
  10. ^ Ponmala Abdul Qadir Musliyar (2015). "Religious reasonabilities of nilavilak aversion". sunnivoice.net (in Malayalam). Archived from the original on 2018-11-24. Retrieved 2023-07-28.
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