Talk:Czech Republic

Semi-protected edit request on 31 January 2023 (2)

change miloš zeman from being president to petr pavel since there were new presidential elections and petr pavel won Bretend (talk) 15:59, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

For now, Pavel is president-elect. Chrz (talk) 16:53, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done Zeman is still president until 8 March. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 17:13, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Rename to Czechia

Should we rename this to Czechia per the Czech government’s recommendation? 2600:100C:A208:620D:4049:FAA0:8615:4B94 (talk) 20:22, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

The Czech government has recommended no such thing. All they've done is declare "Czechia" to be a legitimate "short form" name for the country. The long form continues to be "Czech Republic". We have considered the matter of whether to switch to the short form many times—see above for all the past discussions. It has not yet been established that a change is warranted, taking into consideration the applicable guidelines at WP:COMMONNAME. Largoplazo (talk) 20:28, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

"Rebranding" efforts has progressed in previous months with clear recommendation (for Czech authorities) where to use the short name - see. Sure, it is Czech sources in English, but finally Czech government does something concrete for the promotion of the short name and mainly for the preference of the short name. Just FYI to contradict your All they've done is declare "Czechia" to be a legitimate "short form" name for the country. They have done a little more than that now. Chrz (talk) 20:52, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Ah, this is a new development, I stand corrected. Mostly. Did the Czech government really make a recommendation specific to this article? Largoplazo (talk) 23:16, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

What do you mean? Czech government finally does its homework, does its part for Czechia to be seen as travel destination, in official results of sport events etc. Now it is English sources turn (newspaper type) to notice and comply (or not). Is it a time to move this article? I don't think it would be successful. But it is a time to say in which contexts it is thinkable to have Czechia on Wikipedia (for example it sport result tables - not translate from English to different English, but use the name as is used and seen during that sport event). And maybe, just maybe switch the order in the first sentence from The Czech Republic, also known as Czechia, to Czechia, commonly known as the Czech Republic, or something like that. Chrz (talk) 07:05, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

The only correct way to switch the order of the sentence would be Czechia, officially the Czech Republic. Next ghost (talk) 23:04, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Both names are official... so... Czech Republic is official long name for UN, ISO, EU. Czechia is official short name for UN, ISO, EU and only official name for NATO, IOC, FIFA, EBU, UPU... So I would say Czechia is more official that the Czech Republic ;) Chrz (talk) 08:53, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Is it Turkey-Türkiye situation now? Not quite but of course similar. Türkiye introduced 3rd and 4th name (informal and formal), Czechia introduced missing 2nd name. To teach/learn a new name versus to teach/learn a shorter "nickname". Chrz (talk) 07:09, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

The recommendation mentioned in the news article is available on the website of Czech Ministry of Foreign Affairs (in Czech): https://www.mzv.cz/jnp/cz/zahranicni_vztahy/verejna_diplomacie/jak_na_cesko_v_zahranici.html

I could not find any official English version of the MFA recommendation. However, the official recommendation does not say that "Czechia" should be used everywhere when "The Czech Republic" is not required for one reason or another. The recommendation has 3 points:

1. Use "The Czech Republic" on official documents, in international treaties or during diplomatic events.

2. Use "Czechia" in informal texts and speeches, news articles, promotional materials for cultural, scientific or sports events and personalities, etc.

3. Otherwise follow the example of other countries, particularly EU member states. Next ghost (talk) 23:02, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

I would now support this move, having previously opposed it. I see the name of this country in English a lot in my daily life and it's definitely now at least 50/50. We should probably prefer Czechia per WP:NAMECHANGES (even though I know this isn't a name change per se, the principle still applies). At the very least I think editors need to stop changing "Czechia" to "Czech Republic" in article text, which I still see a lot of. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 00:21, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Regardless of the article name, I agree people should stop changing "Czechia" to "Czech Republic" in articles because both names are equally acceptable. I see people doing this under the justification that that's what the article's title is and that the name "Czechia" was rejected and therefore shouldn't be used (see User talk:ThecentreCZ#Recent_mass_edits_on_a_large_number_of_articles_changing_the_name_Czechia_to_Czech_Republic), but that's not a requirement for links. For example, USA is referred to as USA all over Wikipedia regardless of the fact that the article itself has a longer title - that's irrelevant, it's a common acronym. Similarly, Czechia is also a common and valid name for the country and doesn't need to be corrected in any way. Neme12 (talk) 00:53, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

There is Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names)#General_guidelines #3, though. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:45, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Czechia is now the common name, it seems to me. I would support this change. Doric Loon (talk) 09:00, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Support! The time has finally come. Just do it already. Czechia is just as, if not more commonly used than Czech Republic. Nobody is surprised when they hear Czechia, nobody is confused, nobody bats an eye. Czechia has become a perfectly usual and normal name of the country.

Now, some opposers like to argue that Wikipedia should be informed BY language, not changing it… Well guess what, by not moving the article, Wikipedia affects language just as much, and I would argue probably even more. This article, being the first result for millions of people who search about the country, is probably one of THE biggest factors hindering the inevitable transition.

How is that fair? How can you say "we should use whatever the majority of sources uses", if for so many of those sources, the Wikipedia result itself informs the usage? This is an ouroboros situation, an endless loop.

It's time to read the room. At this point, there is no reason to continue using, and promoting, the formal, long name of the country simply for the sake of status quo. Isametry (talk) 10:28, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

This is not the place to voice your disapproval of the applicable guidelines. That place is at the talk page for those guidelines, Wikipedia talk:Article titles. Here, we go by what those guidelines currently are. Largoplazo (talk) 11:09, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

On "Wikipedia affects language just as much", there are other sources of language than en-WP (and if en-WP is the deciding factor here, then you can't "win" this, right?). IMO "WP-use of language doesn't change off-WP use of language very much" is a more plausible hypothesis. I have no WP:RS to support either hypothesis, and it's off-topic for this talkpage anyway. Start the WP:RM#CM when you're ready. It's been more than 1,5 years since the last (proper) one, so you (or anyone else who wants to) are good to go. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:42, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Here you can read about the progress since the last true try in July 2021 Name_of_the_Czech_Republic#Adoption_of_Czechia. A lot of "databases" has changed, but I don't think the usual opposers would be impressed so much, they are waiting for newspaper articles and the shift is not so impressive there. Chrz (talk) 18:32, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

As, yes, the Czech government has recommended the use of Czechia as a short form, and its modern wide use across English language media, I would support this change. Asheiou (talk) 19:56, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Support Yes, yes, yes. We should have done that long time ago. All notable international agencies are now using Czechia instead of the Czech Republic. It is an irreversible trend. 2001:8003:908F:BB01:184C:2D88:E7D6:5CCB (talk) 08:17, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Czechia is no more common name than the Czech Republic, actually less so. I oppose the change. Cimmerian praetor (talk) 10:53, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Close it like this: Talk:Czech_Republic/Archive_11#Requested_move_13_September_2022Chrz (talk) 18:00, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

If this section is to be considered as a move request, then it needs to be listed as such, per the instructions at WP:RM. Personally I am yet to see evidence that usage has significantly shifted since the last time we discussed this. For example, from a very brief search, New York Times and BBC are still using 'Czech Republic'.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:10, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

As are the top of pages like these:[1][2]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:10, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

[3]: According to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA), the longer name Czech Republic must be used only in official government documents, in the names of embassies, official correspondence, powers of attorney or in contractual practice, including declarations, instruments of ratification, memoranda, etc. This is based, inter alia, on the MFA's guidelines for embassies. 

The Czechia (Česko) brand should be used in all other cases.

That's why ministries won't rename. Like eg. this Slovak one or Polish and it DOES NOT matter. Do not create unique obstacles especially for Czechia. Chrz (talk) 22:02, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Well, different countries do differently.[4][5][6] Preferred style/something, I guess. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:59, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Let's say that a lot of countries think that formal name of the country must be repeated in the names of all "formal" government agencies as is in their native language. Similarly you can compare passports. Finland, Sweden - informal short name; Germany, Poland, Slovakia - long formal. Effect on Wikipedia: zero. Chrz (talk) 08:12, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

I see we just had this: Talk:Czech_Republic_in_the_Eurovision_Song_Contest#Requested_move_10_February_2023. And a little further back, this: Talk:History_of_the_Czech_lands#Requested_move_15_November_2022. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:31, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 March 2023

Zeman's second term ended on the 8 of March. He is no longer president. The Czech Republic has no president at the moment until Pavel assumes office on the 9 of March on the afternoon. Frosty141 (talk) 01:35, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

 Already done GiovanniSidwell (talk) 19:30, 9 March 2023 (UTC)