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Balkh City

Balkh City was much larger in 13th century. Mevlana was born in Balkhi, currently located in Afghanistan.

His surname was Balkhi, which in Persian means "from Balkh", how come we still keep playing with his origin?

Some people running on Wikipedia mis-information agenda. 84.251.64.121 (talk) 08:45, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reliable sources make clear that he was born in Vakhsh, not Balkh (where his family was from) - so this should just be removed the infobox and the like. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:12, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Honestly do not care where Rumi was born, but...
  • "DJALAL AL-DIN RUMI B. BAHA' AL-DIN SULTAN AL-'ULAMA'WALAD B. HUSAYN B. AHMAD KHATIBI, known by the sobriquet Mawlana (Mevlana), Persian poet and founder of the Mawlawiyya order of dervishes, which was named after him, was born on Rabi'I 604/30 September 1207 in Balkh, and died on 5 Djumada II 672/1273 in Konya." --The Encyclopaedia of Islam, Vol. II:C-G, Brill, 1991, page 393, H. Ritter.
  • "Rumi's birth in Balkh..." -- The Masnavi, Book Five, Jalal al-Din Rumi, page xxvii, transl. Jawid Mojaddedi, Oxford University Press.
  • "Afghanistan vigorously claims Rumi on ground of "jus soli" because he was born in Balkh..."-- Rapture and Revolution: Essays on Turkish Literature, Talat S. Halman. Syracuse University Press, page 263.
  • "Rumi, was born in Balkh on the 6th of Rabi' alawwal 604 A.H...." --Islamic Art and Spirituality, Seyyed Hossein Nasr, page 115, State University of New York Press
  • "Mawlana Jalal al-Din Rumi was one of the greatest poets and mystics of the Islamic world. He was born in Balkh (Korasan) in AD 1207.." --Poetry and Mysticism in Islam: The Heritage of Rumi, ed. Amin Banani, Richard Hovannisian, Georges Sabagh, page 3, Cambridge University Press.
  • "Perhaps the greatest Sufi poet of all, Jalal al-Din Molavi Rumi, was born near Balkh.. --Iran: What Everyone Needs to Know, Michael Axworthy, page 35, Oxford University Press.
These are just a few I found searching for only university published sources. --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In-depth works on Rumi, such as those by Franklin Lewis, and including the books and articles already cited in the note on the page, explain the residence of Rumi's father in Vakhsh at the time of Rumi's birth in some depth, led by the early scholarship of Fritz Meier. We also have Annemarie Schimmel attesting this scholarship. That's already three eminent subject-matter experts. The above works by contrast appear to be mainly more generalist sources, which one might forgive for being looser on the finer biographical detail. Hellmut Ritter is also an expert, but his 1991 EoI entry is dated. Jawid Mojaddedi is an Afghan scholar who might be forgiven for leaning into the POV identified by Talât Sait Halman: "Afghanistan vigorously claims...". The works by Seyyed Hossein Nasr and Richard G. Hovannisian are again generalist, while Michael Axworthy says "near Balkh", not "in Balkh", which in a very broad sense Vakhsh could be considered to be. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:43, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
A Wikipedia article should be objective and honest. It should be mentioned that there is debate over his birthplace, with Balkh also being a probable origin. Why do you think he is called Rumi e Balkhi? 2607:FEA8:A4E0:D000:F4B9:3DF1:1A8D:9D4B (talk) 13:31, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Very True, He is from Afghanistan. No doubt. 2603:8000:E600:C03E:4117:4563:E620:BA15 (talk) 08:14, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Currently located in afghanistan, since neither the country or concept of afghanistan existed back. He was a native persian speaker from current Afghanistan is more correct. 83.254.160.80 (talk) 17:42, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  The city of Vaksh or any city in that region (or Tajikistan) didn’t exist before the 17th century- Afghanistan was far more developed along with Iran, Tajikistan being a more rural and agricultural land mass- hence the vast evidence of art, cultural, scientific and learned centers in the Herat and Balkh regions- it would have been improbable that he was born and raised in Tajikistan.

Semi-protected edit request on 16 April 2023

In this text "Rumi lived most of his life under the Persianate[39][40][41] Seljuk Sultanate of Rum, where he produced his works" sentence is misleading since Seljuk Sultanate of Rum was not Persianate, but more Turkic. Further more Rumi philosophy was highly influenced by the current state of the Turkic states forming around him at times. I understand Rumi's place in Persian culture, but his place in Turkish culture is not correctly represented in this text and I believe it is biased. Yesilkebelek (talk) 04:34, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Lightoil (talk) 04:46, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnicity Removed

Why has Kansas Bear removed the Persian ethnicity of Rumi from being Persian? He cites, MOS:Ethnicity, but it claims it shouldn't be apart of the lead unless relevant to the subject's notability. Consensus has been reached on the talk page about this tiring topic already. Please reintroduce Persian.

The lead in for Socrates is that he is a Greek Philosopher, Rumi is no different here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:55DF:FC8A:8C6D:42C2:1616:4D24 (talk) 01:39, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to mention instead of addressing or explaining his reasoning he simply deleted my comments as an IP user from his talk page. MOS:Ethnicity has not been proved to apply here. unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:55DF:FC8A:8C6D:42C2:1616:4D24 (talk) 02:59, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Can someone do that please? 103.73.57.133 (talk) 06:27, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Türkiye's tabii has started streaming Mevlana Rumi on its platform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN--5--gNdM&feature=youtu.be Faysal.prince (talk) 09:54, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 14 June 2023

Rumi was born in Afghanistan in city of Balkh not in Iran or Tajikstan 203.221.10.69 (talk) 10:24, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:38, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Translated verse alignment

Does anyone know how to correct the slight verse misalignment in the template used for the translated poem in the teachings section? Iskandar323 (talk) 16:57, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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