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Archive 1

List of countries by incarceration rate

I missed your note on the talk page back in May probably because I was working on another wiki a lot back then:


Not a problem Timeshifter. Just glad you got my thanks. I finally got around to building a user page tonight, at the suggestion of someone I'm working on the Breastfeeding article with. It's something I meant to do a few times and just never got around to. I do a ton online, but have never become a very regular contributor on Wikipedia. But I like to give thanks to people who make my other jobs easier, by giving me reliable research material to work with.
And thanks for the link. I wasn't aware of the GMM, but I am going to read more about it. Alas around here it is dry as a bone, with weeks long gaps between supplies. Hopefully in a few more years, our legislators will get their heads out of their asses, and the only marching we will need to do is down to the local bodega. :)
CleverTitania (talk) 07:12, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Wikipedia can always use some help editing pages like the ones below. :)
Legality of cannabis by country‎
Legality of cannabis by U.S. jurisdiction‎
--Timeshifter (talk) 08:57, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
Timeshifter Well I already roped myself into making big changes to the Breastfeeding page, which is going to take a lot of work, especially since I also have to teach myself how to do large scale editing (something I've never done before on Wikipedia). But when I have time to get that done, I'll try to contribute to those pages. My nephew is going into preschool in August, and since I watch him full time right now, I'll have more free time in a few weeks, for extra projects. CleverTitania (talk) 22:22, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Watch list

Hi there, I replied to you at the breastfeeding article, but I did not "ping" you. Are you aware that you can make a watch list of articles? Just press the "star" and any changes will come up. Gandydancer (talk) 18:36, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Gandydancer I did see the update even without a ping - I found the preferences to get email notifications of pages I'm watching. Sorry I've been swamped with work plus I feel like hell - I have a couple of chronic health conditions which don't handle work stress well. I haven't had time to work on the article yet. I'll try to get started on it later this week. CleverTitania (talk) 22:11, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Original Barnstar

The Original Barnstar
I noticed that your edits are thoughtful, balanced and varied. Thank you for your contributions. I think you deserve praise in form of this Original Barnstar. John Hill (talk) 22:41, 22 December 2015 (UTC)


Wow, thanks John Hill. I'm not a regular editor so I didn't even know such accolades existed. But while I don't dedicate as much time to it as I should, I do try to be thoughtful and balanced - and being varied comes naturally. Thanks again. :)

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I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Tinker (2017 film). Thanks! SwisterTwister talk 05:22, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Tinker (2017 film) (December 20)

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@Radiphus: Please do not post comments on my Talk page accusing me of making a "joke edit" simply because you didn't approve of my use of the word "legendary" in an episode summary. I used the word because Jim introduced the segment that way, and it was the central thesis of the interview (him considering Burnett to be a legendary figure in comedy TV). I recognize that the use of the word is questionably encyclopedic, and have no problem with you removing the word. But it did not justify accusing me of trying to edit in bad faith - which I consider a form of vandalism and do not engage in. It would be one thing if I added the word to an existing summary, but using the word in the course of writing a legitimate summary of an episode is certainly not an example of a "joke post."
If you think someone's wording lacks N-POV, just say so, don't embellish it into something else. CleverTitania (talk) 22:20, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
I was referring to you changing "Trump" to "Drumpf". Wasn't that supposed to be a joke? - Radiphus 01:10, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
@Radiphus: Okay, firstly my apologies for not noticing that you edited two of my summaries, not just the one. I should have looked more closely. And no, it was definitely not intentional, but it is absolutely my fault. I have a plugin on Chrome that changes his name on my browser to Drumpf. It is intended to make me smile, and take the edge off of the news. But I've never had it change things inside of a text box I'm working on! If it had, I would've deleted it along time ago - as I'm doing right now. I'm glad you caught it and corrected it, and I apologize again for misunderstanding what you were calling a "joke post." CleverTitania (talk) 01:35, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

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Growth team updates #2

Growth team updates #3

Welcome to the third newsletter for the new Growth team!  

The Growth team's objective is to work on software changes that help retain new contributors in mid-size Wikimedia projects.

Two Growth team projects to be deployed in next two weeks

We will be deploying the "Understanding first day" and "Personalized first day" projects on Czech and Korean Wikipedias in the coming weeks. See the new project pages below for full details on the projects, and our project updates page for their progress.

  • Understanding first day: learn about the actions new editors take right after creating their accounts. We will be careful with user privacy, and we hope to share initial results in December.
  • Personalized first day: learn about new editors' objectives by adding some optional questions to the new editor’s registration process, and personalizing their onboarding. We hope to share initial results in December.

Third Growth team project begins

  • Focus on help desk: direct newcomers to the local help desks where they can ask questions to help them make their first edits. We hope to have an initial experiment running in December.

Best practices for helping newcomers

We are going to direct newcomers to help desks. But what's the best way to reply to a newcomer there? We have gathered some best practices for successful interactions, based on community experiences and some external documentation. The page has also been reviewed by some experienced community members who suggested some changes. That page is now open for translations. Comments and suggestions are still welcome!

We are still looking for volunteers

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Growth team updates #4

Welcome to the fourth newsletter for the new Growth team!  

The Growth team's objective is to work on software changes that help retain new contributors in mid-size Wikimedia projects.

We need your feedback!

We have two requests for community members:

  1. Now that data is coming in for the welcome survey, we are planning how to use that data to personalize the newcomer's first day. See our current thoughts here, and join the conversation here.
  2. Try out the help panel's interactive prototype, and read about how we're planning to roll it out, and post any thoughts or reactions here.

Two Growth team projects have been deployed (detailed updates here)

  • Personalized first day (welcome survey) was deployed on November 20 on both Czech and Korean Wikipedias.
    • The survey is now being shown to half of new users (A/B test). Responses are being recorded in the database. We'll report on initial results during December.
    • We are planning to test a second version of the survey, called "Variation C", which we think will maximize the number of users who complete the survey and stay on the wiki.
    • The original objective of this project was to give newcomers the materials they need to achieve their goals, and so now we are currently planning how we will use the information collected in the welcome survey to personalize the newcomer's experience. We hope community members will read our current thinking and join the conversation here. Some of the plans we are considering include:
      • Making it easy for newcomers to see editing activity around the topic areas in which they indicated that they're interested.
      • Connecting interested newcomers to experienced editors.
      • Surfacing the help content most relevant to the reason for which the newcomers created their accounts.
  • Understanding first day (EditorJourney) was deployed on November 15 on both Czech and Korean Wikipedias. It has been done after a longer security review and final testing than expected. Data is now being recorded for all new users on those wikis, and we've been auditing the data and preparing to make initial reports during December. Stay tuned for the next newsletter!

Help panel is under construction

  • Focus on help desk (help panel) is planned to be deployed during the week of January 7 on both Czech and Korean Wikipedias.
  • This interactive prototype is the best way to see the design and wording in the feature.
  • We ran live user tests on the prototype, with results posted here.
  • In addition to giving the ability to ask a question, the help panel will also contain a set of links to existing help content. Our ambassadors on Czech and Korean Wikipedias are determining the right initial set of most helpful links in this task.
  • We encourage community members to try out the prototype and read about the rules for who will get the feature, and add any thoughts to this discussion.

We are still looking for volunteers

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Aromatherapy and Essential Oils

Hello, sorry for the late reply, it’s been a busy week. I suppose I should start by saying that my background is in chemistry but not medicine. What little work I did on these pages was mostly limited to detailing what the oil were comprised of.

The problems you’re describing come back to WP:MEDRS. Alternative medicine in general is tricky to write about - aromatherapy suffers from being impossible to test by the gold standard of double-blind trials because its impossible to blind either the doctors or the patients as to whether they can, for example, smell peppermint. The only way around that is much larger trials, which are very very expensive – I doubt that many aromatherapy compounds will have had that level of definitive testing as the people making essential oils seem to do well enough without providing definitive proof of benefit.

So, what I’m saying really is that without definitive proof claims of pseudo-science are going to be unavoidable. That said, there is still room for improvement; many of these things have long histories and there’s plenty of scope for detailing their traditional use. The aromatherapy page also doesn’t seem to describe how aromatherapy is actually practised, which is a bit of an oversight.

As for helping, I can try. If there are only a few of us and many pages that need work then I would suggest that we restrict ourselves to a small number of the most important pages in the first instance.--Project Osprey (talk) 11:07, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Growth team updates #5

Welcome to the fifth newsletter for the new Growth team!  

The Growth team's objective is to work on software changes that help retain new contributors in mid-size Wikimedia projects.

New projects for discussion

We began the "Personalized first day" project with the welcome survey so that we could gather information about what newcomers are trying to accomplish. The next step is to use that information to create experiences that help the newcomers accomplish their goal – actually personalizing their first day. We asked for community thoughts in the previous newsletter, and after discussing with community members and amongst our team, we are now planning two projects as next steps: "engagement emails" and "newcomer homepage".

  • Engagement emails: this project was first discussed positively by community members here back in September 2018, and the team how has bandwidth to pursue it. The idea is that newcomers who leave the wiki don't get encouraged to return to the wiki and edit. We can engage them through emails that send them the specific information they need to be successful – such as contact from a mentor, the impact of their edits, or task recommendations. Please read over the project page, and comment on its discussion page with any ideas, questions, or concerns. Do you think this is a good idea? Where could we go wrong?
  • Newcomer homepage: we developed the idea for this project after analyzing the data from the welcome survey and EditorJourney datasets. We saw that many newcomers seem to be looking for a place to get started – a place that collects their past work, options for future work, and ways to learn more. We can build this place, and it can connect to the engagement emails. The content of both could be guided by what newcomers say they need during their welcome survey, and contain things like contact from a mentor, impact of their edits, or task recommendations. Please read over the project page, and comment on its discussion page with any ideas, questions, or concerns. Do you think this is a good idea? Where could we go wrong?

Initial reports on newcomer activity

We have published initial reports on each of the team's first two projects. These reports give the basic numbers from each project, and there are many more questions we will continue to answer in future reports. We're excited about these initial findings. They have already helped us define and design parts of our future projects.

  • Welcome survey: the initial report on welcome survey responses is available here. Some of the main findings:
    • Most users respond to the survey, giving it high response rates of 67% and 62% in Czech and Korean Wikipedias, respectively.
    • The survey does not cause newcomers to be less likely to edit.
    • The most common reason for creating an account in Korean Wikipedia is to read articles—not for editing—with 29% of Korean users giving that responses.
    • Large numbers of respondents said they are interested in being contacted to get help with editing: 36% in Czech and 53% in Korean.
  • Understanding first day: the initial report on what newcomers do on their first day is available here. Some of the main findings:
    • Large numbers of users view help or policy pages on their first day: 42% in Czech and 28% in Korean.
    • Large numbers of users view their own User or User Talk page on their first day: 34% in Czech and 39% in Korean.
    • A majority of new users open an editor on their first day – but about a quarter of them do not go on to save an edit during that time.

Help panel deployment

The help panel was deployed in Czech and Korean Wikipedias on January 10. Over the past four weeks:

  • About 400 newcomers in each wiki have seen the help panel button.
  • About 20% of them open up the help panel.
  • About 50% of those who open it up click on one of the links.
  • About 5% of Czech users ask questions, and about 1% of Korean users ask questions.

We think that the 20% open rate and 50% click rate are strong numbers, showing that a lot of people are looking for help, and many want to help themselves by looking at help pages. The somewhat lower numbers of asking questions (especially in Korean Wikipedia) has caused us to consider new features to allow people to help themselves. We're going to be adding a search bar to the help panel next, which will allow users to type a search that only looks for pages in the Help and Wikipedia namespaces.

How to create a good feedback page?

What is the way to built a good help page? What blocks you when writing an help page? Your replies will help to create better help contents to newcomers, that would be used on Help panel.

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Growth team updates #6

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Growth team updates #7

16:18, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Call for submissions for the Community Growth space at Wikimania 2019

Welcome to a special newsletter from the Growth team! This special newsletter is not about Wikimedia Foundation Growth team projects. Instead, it is a call for submissions for the Community Growth space at Wikimania 2019. We think that many people who receive this newsletter may have something valuable to contribute to this space at Wikimania. We haven't translated the newsletter, because Wikimania's language is English.

Please see below for the message from the organizers of the Community Growth space at Wikimania.

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Wikimania 2019 is organized into 19 “spaces”, which are all accepting proposals for sessions. This message comes from the team organizing the Community Growth space.

Since you are interested b Growth team projects, and potentially involved in welcoming newcomers initiatives on your wiki, we would like to invite you to submit a proposal to the Community Growth space because of the actions you’ve done around newcomers on wikis. The deadline for submission is June 1. See below for Community Growth submission topics and session formats. Topics and sessions have to be in English.

In the Community Growth space, we will come together for discussions, presentations, and workshops that address these questions:

  • What is and is not working around attracting and retaining newcomers?
  • How should Wikimedia activities evolve to help communities grow and flourish?
  • How should our technology and culture evolve to help new populations to come online, participate and become community members?

Recommended topics: please see this link for the list for the list of recommended topics. If you do not plan to submit a proposal, you can also suggest additional topics here. If your topic does not fit into our space, remember that there are 18 other spaces that could welcome you sharing your knowledge and perspective.

Types of session. We prefer sessions that are participatory, interactive, promote conversations, and give a voice to parts of our movement that are heard less often. Please see this link for the list of recommended session formats.

Poster submissions. Posters are also a good way to introduce a topic, or show some results of an action. Please consider submitting one!

More information about the Community Growth space, topics, and submission formats is available on the proposal page.

Please submit your proposal. The reviews will happen at the beginning of June.

If you have questions about Wikimania in general, please ask them on the Wikimania wiki.

On behalf of the Community Growth leadership team, Trizek (WMF), 11:44, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Growth team updates #8

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Missing cite in Hemis Monastery

You have added a short reference to "Hooper 2012" back in 2015. However, no such source is listed in the bibliography. Can you please add? Thanks, Renata (talk) 17:48, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@Renata3: Thanks for the heads up. Not sure how on earth I did that, and it took a little digging to find the original book I was citing. But I did track it down and I've now replaced that short reference with a full cite:book reference - I also corrected some citation template errors elsewhere in the reference list, to clear out some error messages. CleverTitania (talk) 20:05, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

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