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Discussion of Canada's official name

Canada's name
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Dominion of Canada

Hey guys, Canadian here. I just read the whole “legal name is Canada” thing when you try to edit the page, and that’s bullshit. We are officially named the Dominion of Canada. I would like to rectify this issue very much, and ask that yanks who know nothing about Canada stop trying to make the argument that we aren’t officially the Dominion of Canada. Thank you! 2001:569:7D60:A100:8D79:31F:E0E9:2A94 (talk) 05:57, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please see the talk page discussions linked above. Canterbury Tail talk 12:42, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
See also sources at Name of Canada#Use of Dominion. Moxy- 15:33, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
But Canada has a prime minister, and considers the British monarch it's chief of state, so the

Dominion (noun). Merriam-Webster Dictionary: "a self-governing nation of the Commonwealth of Nations other than the United Kingdom that acknowledges the British monarch as chief of state"

should apply . . . I guess? Juan Camilo Lugo (malungkot si accla, kausapin niyo naman) 23:31, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The term Dominion was no longer used by the United Kingdom, which considered Canada a "Realm of the Commonwealth" Moxy- 12:15, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why does this keep coming up? Thanks, Moxy for replying. It must test your patience. Alaney2k (talk) 13:07, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A little late to the conversation, but as far as I know, the legal name of the country was the Dominion of Canada before Canada gained independence from the United Kingdom. Thus using "Dominion of Canada" is correct. The Dominion of Canada redirect was originally created to link to Canada. Can it be changed back please? Mjroots (talk) 06:44, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Section 3 of the Constitution Act, 1867 provides that the new country « shall form and be One Dominion under the Name of Canada ». That means that Canada is the name. « dominion » was to indicate that it wasn’t a colony, but was not fully independent. Canada has been fully independent since the Statute of Westminster nearly a century ago. It is no longer a dominion. The redirect therefore links to the history of the name, not to article on Canada, because that would suggest that Canada is still a Dominion, which it is not. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 13:20, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As well, the American dictionary definition cited by Juan Camilo Lugo is incorrect. It uses the present tense, but the term « Dominion » has not been used since the 1950s, as a result of the constitutional evolution of Canada and other Commonwealth realms. In addition, Canada does not acknowledge the British monarch as its head of state. The Queen of Canada is Canada’s head of state. I wouldn’t rely on a general American dictionary to get Commonwealth constitutionalism right. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 13:47, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The Queen is not the head of state; she is merely the wife of the King of Canada, who actually is the head of state. Indefatigable (talk) 15:35, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Quite right. I'm still getting used to it.  :) Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 16:26, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It was not the "legal name", but what it was called. It has however gradually fallen out of use and the term dominion has been replaced with the term Commonwealth realm. TFD (talk) 14:46, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There is now a proposal to change the redirect: Redirects for Discussion: Dominion of Canada Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 15:16, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think there are good reasons to change it. And no good reason to use Dominion of Canada except in historical discussion, not in the naming of locations, which seems to be the real reason behind the request to change the redirect. Alaney2k (talk) 18:38, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, and in the naming of some trains. :-) Alaney2k (talk) 18:39, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

MV Missourian (1921))

A discussion is taking place at talk:MV Missourian (1921)#Dominion of Canada. Please feel free to join the discussion. Mjroots (talk) 06:01, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just realised, this is the talk page of the article about the country, so technically my post shouldn't be here as it's not aimed at improving the article. That said, there doesn't appear to be a "WikiProject Canada", so this is probably the best place to post the notice in order to get more editors taking part in the discussion. Mjroots (talk) 06:07, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:WikiProject Canada .......................Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 20#Dominion of CanadaMoxy- 12:08, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And the redirect was left as is: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 27#Dominion of Canada. —Joeyconnick (talk) 16:51, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 September 2023

Change population from 39,739,633 (Q2 2023) to 40,097,761 (Q3 2023) based on the quarterley population estimates published by Statistics Canada (https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1710000901&cubeTimeFrame.startMonth=04&cubeTimeFrame.startYear=2022&cubeTimeFrame.endMonth=07&cubeTimeFrame.endYear=2023&referencePeriods=20220401%2C20230701) 207.162.26.52 (talk) 15:25, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Already done ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 02:24, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 September 2023 (2)

Change population from 39,739,633 to 40,097,761 based on 2023 Q3 estimates. Source can be found here:

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1710000901 Gorfj (talk) 18:33, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Already done ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 02:24, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 September 2023 (3)

change population_estimate = Neutral increase 39,858,480[1] Jonaharnold (talk) 23:36, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Question: If you mean update the population, this has already been done. ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 02:25, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "The Daily — Canada's population estimates, first quarter 2023". Statistics Canada. June 28, 2023. Retrieved September 7, 2023.

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 October 2023

Some facts in this Canada in this is wrong and i would like to fix it The Information Guy23 (talk) 14:19, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@The Information Guy23:  Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. GoingBatty (talk) 14:38, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Developed v. highly developed

Shouldn't Canada be listed as a highly developed country in the lead? It has the 15th highest HDI in the world and the 4th highest median equivalent adult income. Is there any procedural consensus surrounding this?

Or is it mostly up to prudential judgement? KlayCax (talk) 02:02, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What additional understanding would that provide a reader? Interestingly enough, when I google "highly developed country", not a single one of the results on what I suppose used to be the first page actually includes the term "highly developed country". CMD (talk) 02:47, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 November 2023

I think it would be worth integrating in the box (in the government section) the following officeholders: the Speaker of the Senate (representing the legislature), the Speaker of the House of Commons (representing the legislature) and the Chief Justice (representing the judiciary). There are a variety of models, I think introducing these officeholders would be useful. ZeusMinerva25 (talk) 15:34, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done as per prvious talks.

New interactive zoomable map

@Canterbury Tail Hi, the OpenStreetMap map is interactive and zoomable and very well shows map of Canada. Why you revert my edit? This map is different from all existing maps. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 16:16, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Canterbury Tail I really believe that if you want to remove one of two maps, you should remove the svg map and not the OpenStreetMap map. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 16:20, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In the infobox it added nothing over the map we already had, in fact it was less clear and requires you to go to an external link to get the use out of it which isn't useful in an infobox. Canterbury Tail talk 16:25, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Canterbury Tail I really disagree with you! It is very clear and even more clear than the svg. All water border is shown in this new map. Also islands of Canada is shown better and more clearly. These details only can be shown by OpenStreetMap. I.e., border of Canada is better shown.
Additionally the ability of zooming on each city and each island of Canada is provided. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 16:30, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Canterbury Tail This ability is specially well-used by mobile users. They rapidly zoom by two fingers. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 16:33, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You don't need to keep pinging me. The zoom functionality isn't available in the infobox, the user has to click and go to another page. The utility isn't there for the actual infobox. Anyway lets see what others have to say. Canterbury Tail talk 16:41, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Fully agree with Canterbury Tail. The original should be kept. —Joeyconnick (talk) 18:39, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Joeyconnick We are in the year 2023. I think we should not use maps from 19th or 20th century that lacks any metadata and are text free. Maps without metadata is for 19th century, we are in the year 2023. So we should use maps with full interctive metadata. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 19:05, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I am with Canterbury Tail on this as well. You cannot actually zoom in much using the new map without clicking on it and leaving the Wikipedia website, and without that feature it is no more useful than the current map. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:29, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@QuicoleJR Aside from zoom and clicking problem, one of main differences of svg and OpenStreetMap is border of Canada. Please compare Map

with

The border of the second map shows only dryness lands, but Canada posses many seas. So the border of Canada in the second map is more accurate and useful.

The borders of the one you're illustrating above are subjectively worse. In the infobox, and in your image above, they look like Canada controls all of the western coast all the way from Washington state to Alaska when that's not the case. Canterbury Tail talk 20:11, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Now the map you added here is actually useful due to the small scale of it and delineating the boundaries in a way that is clear and useful in the infobox context. So this isn't an entire thing against everything, it's just in the context of this article and its infobox the map isn't useful. Canterbury Tail talk 20:17, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I would agree that the street view map is worse, as the details of the border are hard to see. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:16, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Are these being spammed all over the place again? We have talked about these maps a few times. Moxy- 20:24, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
For final words, I really disagree with all 4 people engaged in this discussion! In my opinion, interactive maps should be replaced by solid maps gradually. You are all right that we have some problems in zooming, but in future these bugs can be removed from Wikipedia and we can insert "Interactive maps" instead of "solid maps" in Wikipedia for all Infoboxes. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 20:32, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note you're going about this the wrong way, you're just antagonizing everyone with this attitude. However more importantly this isn't about the maps per say, it's about their usefulness in their sizes in the infoboxes. Infoboxes are expected to summarize the article, not to supplant in any way. You should read MOS:INFOBOX. They're to assist in the article, not there to be used as a set of weblinks. This is why the websites in infoboxes should show the URL as the information, not just link to it. We try to keep people inside Wikipedia as much as possible that is the ultimate objective as we can't control outside sources. Most of the maps you're adding at the country level are not helpful inside the infobox as they don't show the subject in a manner useful inside the infobox and require the user to click on them and go outside in order to get any use out of them. That's an external link, not an infobox map. Canterbury Tail talk 20:45, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have an idea for implementing this scenario: We use OpenStreetMap to show a map of Canada with these settings are implemented as checkboxes, and Wikipedia interactively updates maps:
  1. A checkbox for showing borders of Canada
  2. A checkbox for showing main cities
  3. A checkbox for showing main rivers
  4. A checkbox for showing main roads
  5. A checkbox for showing sea teritories
  6. A checkbox for showing UNESCO sightseeings
  7. A checkbox for showing main mountains
and many other checkboxes interact with OpenStreetMap and each time a new map is rendered from OpenStreetMap to the user. After checking, an attribute is added to the map of that Infobox or if unchecked it will be removed from that Infobox map. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 21:26, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Can I ask how any of that is going to be visible or useful in an map a couple hundred pixels across in an infobox? You seem to be continually missing the point that this is about the usefulness of these maps in an infobox where the map is necessarily small and cannot include much data. Not its usefulness as an external link or other page. Canterbury Tail talk 21:28, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I see that the hyperlink from "Port Royal" links to a very succinct wikipedia page about a modern rural intersection, with no official status, named "Port Royal." While the intersection is very close to the Port Royal Habitation National Historic Site, it actually has nothing to do with the 1605 settlement other than geographic proximity. There is no evidence of the "Port Royal" name for this intersection being used prior to the 20th century.

Can I ask that you link to the page on "Port Royal (Acadia)" which covers the historic French settlement in great detail? If not, then the other option is to link to the page on the "Port-Royal National Historic Site".

If you are interested, the root of much of the confusion lies in the fact that the French settlers, until at least 1707, used the name "Port Royal" when they were talking about what is today the Annapolis Basin. Thus "Port Royal" was a body of water, not a town or village in the modern sense. Although the term "Port Royal" was later was used to refer to the seigneury, which covered a large area around the Basin.

Thank you. HISTORBUFF (talk) 00:04, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Canada a post-national state

PMs Justin Trudeau and Jean Chretien have publicly stated that Canada is a post-national state. Author and commentator Rudyard Griffiths made a similar pronouncement.

Canada is considered to be a post-national state.[1][2][3] Wiseoleman17 (talk) 04:41, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ Griffiths, Rudyard (2010). Who We Are: A Citizen's Manifesto. Douglas & McIntyre. ISBN 9781553655381.
  2. ^ Lawson, Guy. "Trudeau's Canada, Again". The New York Times. Retrieved 18 December 2023.
  3. ^ "Annual Report on the Operation of The Canadian Multiculturalism Act 1999-2000" (PDF). Department of Canadian Heritage. Retrieved 18 December 2023.
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