Talk:Goo Hara

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Goo Hara article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Archives: 1

Goo Hara has been listed as one of the Music good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
January 9, 2022	Good article nominee	Listed

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on January 24, 2022.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that after Goo Hara's mother abandoned her and Goo died young, South Korean law was changed to prevent such parents from claiming inheritance?

A fact from this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "On this day..." column on November 24, 2022.

While the biographies of living persons policy does not apply directly to the subject of this article, it may contain material that relates to living persons, such as friends and family of persons no longer living, or living persons involved in the subject matter. Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons must be removed immediately. If such material is re-inserted repeatedly, or if there are other concerns related to this policy, please see this noticeboard.

Pop music Low‑importance

	Pop music portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Pop music, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of articles related to pop music on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Pop musicWikipedia:WikiProject Pop musicTemplate:WikiProject Pop musicPop music articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Biography: Actors and Filmmakers / Musicians

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	This article is supported by WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers (assessed as Low-importance).
	This article is supported by WikiProject Musicians (assessed as Low-importance).

Korea Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Korea, a collaborative effort to build and improve articles related to Korea. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how use this banner, please refer to the documentation.KoreaWikipedia:WikiProject KoreaTemplate:WikiProject KoreaKorea-related articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by the Korean popular culture working group.

Women

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Women, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of women on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.WomenWikipedia:WikiProject WomenTemplate:WikiProject WomenWikiProject Women articles

Women in Music Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Women in Music, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Women in music on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Women in MusicWikipedia:WikiProject Women in MusicTemplate:WikiProject Women in MusicWomen in music articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Requested move 22 December 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Remove retracted by requester. DanielleTH ^{(Say hi!)} 17:11, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Goo Hara → Goo Ha-ra – WP:NCKO states that, as Korean names can be romanized a number of ways, Wikipedia uses the dashed version for standarization purposes. DanielleTH ^{(Say hi!)} 07:59, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). – Ammarpad (talk) 10:48, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NCKO's condition is "if there is no personal preference, and no established English spelling." Sawol (talk) 08:25, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Sawol: Moved this to contested. Would you say there's an established English spelling? I don't believe Goo ever established a spelling of her name, through self-romanization or otherwise. DanielleTH ^{(Say hi!)} 08:28, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I would say her personal preference seemed to be Hara, not Ha-ra. Her instagram account uses “HARA”. Alex (talk) 15:58, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, yup that makes sense, I agree then. Requested move retracted. DanielleTH ^{(Say hi!)} 17:09, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Goo Hara/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Shushugah (talk · contribs) 10:23, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Review

Hello, I am looking forward to working with you and reviewing this Article. I will provide thorough feedback in a few hours after carefully reading this. Regards, ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 10:23, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good Article review progress box

Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

The article is neutrally written and avoids the WP:FANCRUFT that is endemic to K-pop/celebrity articles, so well done on those fronts! I fixed some grammar wording, but there are more things to clarify/fix. The lede does not adequately summarize Goo's life, particularly the legacy of her death and I think it's worth noting she was one of the first/few K-pop singers with a large following not just in South Korea but also Japan.

The section about the assault needs the most work imo. Some of the phrasing is ambiguous/unclear. It should also become an explicit subsection perhaps , because this is beyond the typical Personal life. Some phrasing is subtly wrong, for example it wasn't 'during' the incident that was diagnosed. It's very suggestive and the language should be more explicit.

I am available for more feedback/questions and think this article is on its way to GA status. No major topics are omitted nor does it lose focus on any specific details. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 18:49, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Shushugah, thanks for the kind words, the current state of the article is a fruit of many editors working on it. Breaking down on your review, what's to be done were:

Expand on lead to summarise Goo's life
Rephrasing in the section about the assault
Split the section about assault into an explicit subsection.

What's done:

Expanded the lead. Before, it was writtern only for events up to 2015. It now covers briefly 2016 to 2019, and a separate paragraph on the legacy. I have also placed in a couple of words about her being popular in Japan. As for noting that she was one of the first/few K-pop singers with large following in both South Korea and Japan...
The section of the assault: I have reworded the text you have highlighted upon reviewing the present sources. I have reordered the trial details in chronological order upon further digging into the Korean sources (I guess my Korean language lessons were effective :D can't do much before taking the classes), and it should be less disjointed and has more clarity on the trail proceedings.
To support the assertion that she was/is popular in Japan, i dug up sources to assert that she had gained popularity through Kara (the group had promotions in Japan prior disbandment) and that she was well-received by fans in her last mini-tour. However, I think my phrasing is awkward though.
I have split out the assault section into its own section. It impacted not only her personal life, but career as well. I don't think subsection would be sufficient. However, the section title may need some downsizing. Any suggestions on that?
Similarly I have split out some text in the her death section as Legacy section. – robertsky (talk) 05:35, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reordered the Personal life section to lump the the case and death into personal section. – robertsky (talk) 19:08, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I boldly renamed some of the new sections for clarity fixed some spelling typos (be more careful next time) which were introduced. I fixed those and now have marked this article as GA! Congratulations! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 21:32, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review and acceptance! Re:spelling typos, I have got to fix the bad habit of editing in the middle of the night, but yet it is one of the more productive timings of the day for me. – robertsky (talk) 11:47, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Undue weight on death in the lead section?

At the moment, about two-thirds of the lead section focuses on Goo Hara's death. To me this seems inappropriate for a number of reasons, but in terms of Wikipedia standards, I believe the section has gone awry of MOS:LEADREL. The second paragraph in particular is heavy on specific details, all of which are covered in the body of the article; and in turn, a few key points from the article's body could be summarized in the lead, but at the moment aren't given much weight, if any. For example, Hara's hosting roles and solo tour are both absent in the lead, and her participation in Kara has only a passing mention.

Perhaps this need to be re-balanced? peppy (talk) 12:05, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]