Talk:Bodhidharma

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 March 2023

Would like to add History section

Kalaripayattu was taught in North Asia during the Sangha period. The Tamil Sangam literature, 2nd century BC to 2nd century CE, introduced Kalari to China where it evolved into modern day Kung Fu and later into Karate in Japan. The Tamil Sangam literature , 2nd century BC to 2nd century CE, mentions the Akananuru and Purananuru martial arts of ancient Tamilakkam, including one - to - one combat, as well as the use of spears , swords, shields, bows and silambam. Vajra Mushti, a grappling style, is mentioned in sources of the early centuries CE l. Glandmos (talk) 11:32, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

References

 Not done: I think this suggestion was meant for a different article. Actualcpscm (talk) 22:23, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Bodhidharma brought what became Kung Fu. No mention of Prajnatara Maestonelake (talk) 05:54, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

What does "semi-legendary" mean?

That term is used in the lead sentence, but it's unclear to me what it means or how it's sourced. It sounds like prose and seem inappropriate for Wikipedia. Could someone clarify / tell me if I'm missing something? Actualcpscm (talk) 22:25, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

same thing, came here to start discussion on it.

word semi legendary is like 'semi-existence' , which is an oxymoron, which is used to dilute his historical background. Afv12e (talk) 19:50, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Concerning it sounds like prose I don't think that's the right word, as all of the text in the prose is prose. As far as "semi-legendary" I'm not sure if that's the right word to use or not but it's not an oxymoron, as it's being used to describe a person where there is agreement among scholars that the person existed, but a lot or most of what is known of them is attested in legends (hence semi-legendary, what we know is a mix of what scholars consider both legend and historically accurate). This is similar to how Ragnar Lodbrok is semi-legendary, contrasted to Sveigðir who is considered fully legendary, and Sweyn Forkbeard whose historicity is not in any serious dispute. - Aoidh (talk) 03:19, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

My bad, I meant creative prose, as in non-encyclopedic, creative writing. Actualcpscm ^{scrutinize, talk} 14:57, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

I also was confused by the term "semi-legendary", but this is a matter of English usage. There are ways of conveying uncertainty without using this term. Accordingly, I modified the lede slightly to eliminate the term. Respectfully Tachyon (talk) 13:09, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

My change was quickly reverted ostensibly because my revision was considered to be ambiguous as well. Still the term "semi-legendary" is unnecessary. Tachyon (talk) 13:21, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Slightly? You changed diff

Bodhidharma was a semi-legendary Buddhist monk who lived during the 5th or 6th century CE. He is traditionally credited as the transmitter of Chan Buddhism to China, and is regarded as its first Chinese patriarch.

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Bodhidharma was a Buddhist monk who lived during the 5th or 6th century CE who is believed to be the transmitter of Chan Buddhism to China. He is also regarded as its first Chinese patriarch.

• I don't see the problem with "semi-legendary." He may or may not have existed; we can't know for sure, and it doesn't really matter; it's the legendary stories which are relevant for Zen;
• "Believed" is a weaselword; who "believes" so? Is this transmission a historiv fact? What's relevant is that he is credited with this transmission;
• "also"; no, not "also"; attributed transmission and legendary first patriarch are a cloth of one piece.

We're not talking about history here, we're talking here about legends and narratives. But the legends and narratives as subjects in themselves are historical artifacts, and most relevant to the self-understanding of the Zen-tradition. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 13:30, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Wow Joshua. I'not talking of history, or legends and narratives, I'm talking of English usage for a term I found and others found others found to be less than clear. I did not revert your revision. Respectfully, Tachyon (talk) 15:56, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Apologies, somewhat grumpy; in two days three disruptive editors I interacted with blocked. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 16:15, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Martial Arts

There is missing information here regarding martial arts. What eventually became Kung Fu came from Bodhidharma. No mention of Prajnatara. Maestonelake (talk) 05:52, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

The article addresses the martial arts aspect in the second sentence of the article, and expands upon it throughout the article including in the section Shaolin boxing and The Record of the Buddhist Monasteries of Luoyang. Prajnatara is directly mentioned in the article in the section Anthology of the Patriarchal Hall as well as Name and Continuous lineage from Gautama Buddha. - Aoidh (talk) 14:02, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 September 2023

Request for editing to include latest updates. KKWIKIID (talk) 06:31, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. Cannolis (talk) 06:42, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Chinese characters for Bodhidharma

菩提達磨 Putidamo : traditional characters with Pinyin used for pronunciation. He is called Damo because a personal name is usually, but not always, the last two characters of a name with the first one or two being their xing so in a sense it can be seen as the name Puti Damo. This is a transliteration of the term into Chinese. Chinese names can be complicated. 2600:1700:DE60:3320:A196:ADD7:56EE:7127 (talk) 17:28, 14 June 2024 (UTC)