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Russia articles by quality and importance
Quality	Importance
Quality	Top	High	Mid	Low	NA	???	Total
FA	9	17	29	31		1	87
FL	2	4	6	2			14
FM					90		90
A	2	3	12	12			29
GA	28	39	118	225		3	413
B	218	295	512	739		248	2,012
C	351	614	1,214	2,890		781	5,850
Start	447	1,549	6,514	14,648	1	2,534	25,693
Stub	11	236	4,112	45,318	54	3,639	53,370
List	70	94	422	3,149	36	190	3,961
Category					21,387		21,387
Disambig					247		247
File					476		476
Portal					26		26
Project					140		140
Redirect			3	521	1,959		2,483
Template					4,378		4,378
NA				4	25		29
Other					119		119
Assessed	1,138	2,851	12,942	67,539	28,938	7,396	120,804
Unassessed			1	375		1,462	1,838
Total	1,138	2,851	12,943	67,914	28,938	8,858	122,642
WikiWork factors (?)		ω = 478,663			Ω = 5.48

Category:Hero Cities of the Soviet Union has been nominated for discussion

Category:Hero Cities of the Soviet Union, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); May 6, 2016; 12:47 (UTC)

equal marriages Romanov Bagration .

When Princess Tatiana Konstantinovna , daughter of G-D Konstantine Konstantinovich, obtained the consent of her father to marry Konstantine Bagration and of course the blessing of HIM Nicholas II, she signed an official renouncement to their future children's rights, and that was BEFORE the abdication of the Romanov dynasty. So did her niece Ekaterina Ioannovna, princess of the Imperial Blood, in the late thirties, when she married Ruggero, marchese (in italian, or marquess, it means the same,) Farace di Villaforesta, for their children. Neither of these children : Nicoletta, Fiammetta and Ivan Farace ever considered themselves as heirs.... but Ivan, now marchese Farace di Villaforesta, is an active honorary member of the Family Association since his mother passed away in 2007. Like HM the King of Greece, Prince Michael of Kent, and other members of the Family, not necessCite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).arily of the Dynasty. If Konstantine was not equal to Tatiana Konstantinovna, Leonida was not equal to Vladimir Kirilovich.( Who was not a grand duke himself, according to the Laws, it was a "titre de courtoisie"...). This is simple and clear . Grand dukes, during the last years of the Empire, were only brothers, children and grand children of the Emperor. The sons of GD Konstantine Konstantinovich were born as grand dukes, but became princes when the Laws were modified, before the end or the monarchy. The last Emperor was GD Mikhail for a very short time, and all the grand dukes and grand duchesses are now dead, alas. Sources : myself, marchesa Farace di Villaforesta— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a01:cb11:192:3f00:cc03:3d6f:ac49:d639 (talk • contribs)

Antarctica

I have nominated Antarctica for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here.

"Zaporozhye Oblast" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Zaporozhye Oblast has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 3 § Zaporozhye Oblast until a consensus is reached. Kk.urban (talk) 15:23, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One of your project's articles has been selected for improvement!

Hello,
Please note that Antarctic, which is within this project's scope, has been selected as one of the Articles for improvement. The article is scheduled to appear on Wikipedia's Community portal in the "Articles for improvement" section for one week, beginning today. Everyone is encouraged to collaborate to improve the article. Thanks, and happy editing!
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GAR for Kaunas Fortress

Good article reassessment for Kaunas Fortress

Kaunas Fortress has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 04:09, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Tbilisi Spiritual Seminary#Requested move 15 April 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Tbilisi Spiritual Seminary#Requested move 15 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ❯❯❯ Raydann ^(Talk) 21:21, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indigenous people

It seems that Unified list of Indigenous minority peoples of the North, Siberia, and the Far East of Russia is actually about the Unified Register of the Indigenous Small-Numbered Peoples and for some reason 6 indigenous peoples not in the north are arbitrarily being ignored in the title and the text of the article. Is that a correct assessment? Marcocapelle (talk) 07:16, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of List of Americans killed during the Russian invasion of Ukraine for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article List of Americans killed during the Russian invasion of Ukraine is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Americans killed during the Russian invasion of Ukraine until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

Traumnovelle (talk) 20:14, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RfC at Soviet War Memorial (Treptower Park)

There is a discussion at Soviet War Memorial (Treptower Park) about the war memorial's naming history that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 15:30, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Capitalization of Indigenous

Capitalization of the word Indigenous is recommended on English Wikipedia when referring to Indigenous peoples by both Wikipedia:INDIGENOUS and MOS:RACECAPS. Members of New Zealand's Maori taskforce have raised the question of whether these guidelines are US-centric or North America-centric. Does this ethnography taskforce have any guidelines on this matter? Thank you. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 20:22, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Indigenous people" is translated as "коренный народ", at least on the Russian Wikipedia, and doesn't seem to be capitalized there. In that context it would mostly come up in discussion of the Unified list of Indigenous minority peoples of the North, Siberia, and the Far East of Russia and other topics relating to the Indigenous peoples of Siberia, and I will say as someone living in Canada I would personally be much likelier to leave Indigenous uncapitalized in the context of Siberia than I would in the context of the First Nations, Inuit, or Metis. Orchastrattor (talk) 02:14, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Sámi peoples come to mind for me as well, they could be an interesting comparison to make on this topic too. Orchastrattor (talk) 02:16, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Official administrative divisions

Does anyone know where to find detailed data about all the Russian administrative divisions in a level of detail similar to this Ukrainian codifier? Alexis Coutinho (talk) ^[ping me] 04:01, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here, but it is often outdated. Please also have in mind that in Russia administrative and municipal divisions often do not coincide. Pinging @Ezhiki: for safety. Ymblanter (talk) 07:43, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Alexis Coutinho (talk) ^[ping me] 17:22, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OKATO has much improved in recent years. Although it may not reflect the very latest changes, it generally suffices. For municipal divisions, consult the OKTMO, keeping in mind the same caveat as with the OKATO. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); May 12, 2024; 00:38 (UTC)

Stress marks in East Slavic words

Please join the work on the content of Wikipedia:Stress marks in East Slavic words. - Altenmann >talk 12:59, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion on Russian coats of arms

An editor has requested assistance regarding whether the coats of arms included in the article Coat of arms of Russia are the correct ones. Please see Talk:Coat of arms of Russia § Changing to correct coat of arms. voorts (talk/contributions) 20:05, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Developing Countries WikiContest

Starting this July, we will see a new contest on the scene - the Developing Countries WikiContest (WP:DCWC)! Think of it as a WikiCup but only for articles and media on developing countries.

Competitors may submit GAs, GTs, FAs, FTs, FLs, FPs, and DYK and ITN entries from/on developing countries to gain points and climb the leaderboard. Points are also awarded to those who review GAs, FAs and FLs.

Russia is listed as a developing country for the purposes of this contest and articles related to it are eligible to be submitted for points, so I encourage everyone here to sign up and compete with editors from around the world to create high-quality content!

Append your name to the DCWC signup page today!

Best wishes, Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI (^{talk to me!}/_{my edits}) 07:05, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dmitri Shostakovich has an RfC

Dmitri Shostakovich has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 18:59, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are there any Cultural Russian Orthodox Christians around?

In a moment of idle meddling, I am inviting those who qualify to join the ranks Category:Cultural Russian Orthodox Wikipedians! - Altenmann >talk 17:36, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Russian Orthodoxy#Requested move 6 June 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Russian Orthodoxy#Requested move 6 June 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 22:37, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Mezhdunarodnaya (Moscow Metro)#Requested move 7 June 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Mezhdunarodnaya (Moscow Metro)#Requested move 7 June 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 13:57, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Anti-Normanism#Requested_move_22_May_2024

Please join. - Altenmann >talk 16:45, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Sloboda#Requested move 22 May 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Sloboda#Requested move 22 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 10:16, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Princess Olga Dolgorouky

Hello everyone,

If any AfC reviewers have the time and inclination, I have an article Draft:Princess Olga Dolgorouky, which is waiting for review. Princess Olga was a member of the Russian Imperial family, and was among those saved when George V sent HMS Marlborough to the Balkans to save what was left of the family of the Tsar, following the 1917 revolution.

Thanks in advance,

Mac Edmunds (talk) 07:55, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mac Edmunds: Sorry, colleague, the sources of your article are based on tabloids (which don't have their facts straight) and as such they cannot establish the notability of the person. Notability is not inherited, and being a wife is not enough. And she was not member of "Russian imperial family", simply member of Russian nobility. As for her being "princess: Her father was knyaz, which is confusingly translated as "prince" and not necessarily mean belonging to ruling family, simply a higher rank of nobility. Summarizing my opinion, she was a socialite and noble from the suffering Russia and hence popped up in news, but I dont think this makes her notable per wikipedia standards. - Altenmann >talk 17:10, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

translation correction?

This 1925 poster at Abortion#Unsafe_abortion is currently translated as "Miscarriages induced by either grandma or self-taught midwives not only maim the woman, they also often lead to death." An IP has come into the talk page and said a better translation would be "Miscarriages induced by either self-taught midwives or obstetricians not only maim the woman, they also often lead to death." Obviously this is a pretty major difference in intended meaning. Can anyone help? Thanks! Valereee (talk) 15:50, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes the first translation is wrong, but the second is not good either. "Babka" in this context means folk healer woman, who often act as midwive. "Akusherka" is a "false friend": "akusher" does mean obstetrician, but the feminine form "akusherka" means midwife nurse. So the correct corresponding piece would be "by a self-taught or professional midwife". - Altenmann >talk 16:53, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, @Altenmann! Valereee (talk) 21:14, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Altenmann, @Valereee. The English-language meaning of the revised translation is very different from the meaning of the Soviet poster. The background for the poster is that in 1925 abortion was legal in the USSR. (The history section of the abortion article mentions the Soviet legalization of abortion in 1920.) The poster warns women against the use of informal abortion providers, namely, midwives and what (in the African American dialect of English) are sometimes called "granny midwives" (older women who perform some midwife functions). Nothing in the Russian indicates "self-taught", which in current English usage means learning from books or videos. Typically they were not self-taught, but rather learned from the older generation of midwives, through woman-to-woman instruction or apprenticeship. Nothing in the Russian indicates "professional" or "obstetrician", both of which in current English usage indicate accreditation by the recognized medical establishment. The Soviet poster was not a warning about abortion performed by credentialed doctors, that is, obstetricians.

Please note that, according to WP:BRD and WP:ONUS, the stable version of the caption should remain while this matter is being resolved here or on the article talk-page. Thanks. NightHeron (talk) 10:11, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This should be discussed at the article talk page, @NightHeron. I'll answer there. Valereee (talk) 14:46, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:BRICS#Requested move 23 June 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:BRICS#Requested move 23 June 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 00:35, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Help with an article in Russian?

Hi, could someone who knows Russian help me with a cite-check of a journal article that I think is in Russian? It's cited in the article on Assault. The third paragraph in the lead has this sentence: "When this distinction is observed, battery refers to the actual bodily contact, whereas assault refers to a credible threat or attempt to cause battery." One of the cites in support of this statement, currently cite 9, is this: "Romanenko, Ya.O.; Marin, M.A.; Riabko, A.K.; Kartseva, A.S.; Silkina, M.V.; Zeninskaya, N.A.; Shemyakin, I.G.; Dyatlov, I.A.; Firstova, V.V. (2021). "Toxin neutralizing activity of monoclonal antibodies against Bacillus anthracis lethal toxin". Immunologiya. 42 (3): 232–242" From the title of the article and the name of the journal, I assume this is an article about immunology, not the criminal offence of assault, but the article itself is in Russian, I think, so I can't check it myself. Could someone take a look at it? If it has nothing to do with assault or battery, I would want to remove it from the Assault article. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 02:27, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mr Serjeant Buzfuz: Nonsense ref. removed. But here is a disturbing sign: I checked thru history to Ugwuowo samuel (talk · contribs)'s edits on MArhc 2w 2023. This user was caught on pumping chatbot-generated content into "Physica abuse" which was reverted. Perhaps maybe you have thoroughly review "Assault" as well and do the same. - Altenmann >talk 04:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

P.S., see more in my post Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#Chatbots_assault?. - Altenmann >talk 05:39, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can ignore that reference in Russian. Whereas foreign citations are welcome in English Wikipedia when there are no sources at all in English of equivalent quality as foreign ones, for the Assault article, there are hundreds, or thousands, of sources that are as good, or better, than the Russian one. This means that you not only can, but should use English sources exclusively for this article. The fact that it is about immunology is just bizarre. Mathglot (talk) 08:46, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is a wrong advice. The legal definition of "assault" may differ for various countries. - Altenmann >talk 15:59, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for comments and action, everyone. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 03:26, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Young Russia (liberal movement)

I just created a stub for Young Russia (liberal movement). Any help with expansion would be appreciated. Thriley (talk) 20:56, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should Tabasaran people be double-checked?

A relatively new editor who identifies as Tabasaran has added a huge amount of content to Tabasaran people in the past three months. When I sought to compare the new content with the corresponding article on Russian Wikipedia, I found that this user has been blocked indefinitely on ru-wiki for repeatedly deleting referenced content on articles related to Tabasarans, typically to remove any mention of links between Tabasarans and Azerbaijanis. I won't rush to judge an editor just because of their behavior on another wiki, but I do think that someone from this project should double-check the article. Huntthetroll (talk) 03:13, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted article to old reasonably good version add added one more waring to user's page. If they continue ignoring our rules, we may reqest block. - Altenmann >talk 03:54, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Second Northern War#Requested move 23 June 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Second Northern War#Requested move 23 June 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Polyamorph (talk) 08:00, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]