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Hi Muboshgu: Can you explain your revert? Why censorship from an admin in violation of WP policy? There are multiple reports from reliable sources (The Independent, The Telegraph, among others) on this event so it is clearly WP:DUE. The reference to The New York Post is also from these sources. Normchou💬19:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Many things get reported on by multiple publications, this does not make them all WP:DUE. I think that moment is quite WP:UNDUE. What purpose does its inclusion serve? What is it getting at? I imagine many publications, especially stronger ones (NYT, WaPo, etc.) didn't bother with it. If other editors disagree with me, so be it. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:46, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Some examples of sources (other than The NY Post) are listed below.[1][2][3][4][5]
I do not think it is reasonable or in line with WP policy to discount all of them by just saying that a specific source did not report on it.
It helps us to assess the weight of things. More concerning to me is I see Tucker Carlson highlighted this on his show last night. I'm old enough to remember Fox News doing the same thing when Joe Biden embraced Michelle Obama and Barack Obama embraced Jill Biden at the 2008 event when Obama announced his VP pick. It's pushing a negative POV on an innocuous moment. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:12, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think you are confounding "pushing" a negative POV vs. presenting all due POVs, whether positive or negative, in accordance with reliable sources. That is what NPOV is for. I don't think the "smooch of the union" is just "negative"; it's playful and may reflect an atmosphere at the SOTU address, and it is also controversial because of the unusual lip contact. So, this event is NOT Joe Biden embraced Michelle Obama and Barack Obama embraced Jill Biden but actually worth discussion outside of Fox News. The speculation re Tucker Carlson and whatnot is just your personal political opinion, which adds little weight to the argument for censorship. Normchou💬18:17, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No, I do not think I am confounding anything. I am seeing something insignificant and saying it is UNDUE and questioning what it has to do with anything, if not pushing a negative POV. People kiss on the lips. So what? Wikipedia is WP:NOTEVERYTHING, including a collection of viral moments. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:26, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The ultimate test for WP:DUEness is the prevalence of POVs present in RSes, not what you see or think. I trust you as an admin must be experienced enough to recognize that, but you somehow choose to ignore this core policy when it comes to your personal political affiliations/opinions. At any rate, I agree we can leave it at that and let other editors decide. Normchou💬19:14, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well, obviously one of them is incorrect. The Marie Claire source in this article states In 1992, he married Kerstin, the cofounder and chief executive of production company Prettybird, with whom he has two kids, Cole and 21-year-old Ella. They divorced after 16 years of marriage. So that would suggest 2008 is the year of divorce. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:22, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Auschwitz
Auschwitz is former German Nazi concentration camp. Although currently located in Poland IMO it's more sufficient to write foregoing phrase instead of just saying that "Aushwitz is in Poland". Kuba349 (talk) 16:58, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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For clarity you should remove the comma in "actions of the Israeli government, leading to increased hostility and threats against Jewish people", I initially interpreted it as "he (Doug Emhoff himself) caused more hostility towards Jewish people", rather than what was actually meant, "the conflations of Jewish identity with actions of the Israeli government leading to increased hostility and threats against Jewish people." Penguiye (talk) 19:30, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect First Second Gentleman. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 31#First Second Gentleman until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. signed, Rosguill talk 18:12, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
Done I used slightly different wording than your suggestion, but with the same basic result. PianoDan (talk) 23:18, 21 May 2024 (UTC)