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Instructions for using the Keeper-pedia/WikiKeeper as written by TCari

1. Embrace the edit conflict, for happen it will.
2. Leaving a comment for Keeper doesn't mean that it will be Keeper who answers it, although he'll try. See #1. Make new friends you will.
3. Save the drama for your mama. Everyone (mostly) gets along here.
4. If American, you must be a baseball fan. Doesn't matter which team(s) as it's almost guaranteed someone will razz you on it. May apply for all sports
5. As you are probably a talk page stalker, you really should help to improve the page.
6. Feel free to add more instructions/rules here for Keeper-pedia...

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My Progress

Hi keeper76 was wondering if you could go through my contribs and see how I am doing. Chemistrygeek (talk) 14:43, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Also I was wondering who I can report Ip proxies because I want to tell you the ones that I used when I was sockpuppeting. Just so that I am totally free of the burden of feeling bad thought I might let you know about the proxies that they use. If your interested or you know where I should report it then let me know. Chemistrygeek (talk) 15:00, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I won't have time to look at your contribs, I trust you're doing well. As for IPs, I'm not interested. You don't need to feel bad about anything, no need to "report" them, (unless of course you're still vandalizing while logged out...:-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:46, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

RfA Review

I remember your note on RfA review, and I've now put together some sample questions that I'm considering getting the community to respond to. Before I unleash them on everyone, I'd appreciate your input. You can find them on the talk page here. Many thanks! Gazimoff ^Write_Read 16:18, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll look there for sure. Just got online here, and I'm going back offline in about 2 minutes, gone until Monday. Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:01, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Just to let you know, the question set is now updated, as well as the lead section. Let me know what you think,Gazimoff ^Write_Read 15:20, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

MFD of "Kliq" userbox

The group officially disbanded a while ago, and I've contacted all former members on their approval of the deletion of the userbox. Once there they put their two cents in, I think it's ok to have deleted. -- iMatthew _T.C. 20:59, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I've asked him (outside of Wikipedia) to let the MfD run through. -- iMatthew _T.C. 21:03, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Regarding your comment at the MfD, I agree with you, I just wanted to post a response there. If she decides to further discuss this, it will be between talkpages. Cheers! -- iMatthew _T.C. 23:45, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Ironholds

I wasn't really sure what you meant in your reply to my oppose comment. Could you please clear it up? Thanks :). Jack?! 21:56, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Jack, I just replied at your talkpage. Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 22:00, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick and clear response! Well, I just feel that the way in which he wrote "Wikipedia takes up a large chunk of my time; i should be revising for exams at the moment.." comes across as saying how it is a bad thing that it takes up so much time. I am also speaking from past experiences, Wikipedia can become addictive, and I feel especially for a new admin. Jack?! 22:03, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar

Don't know if people still give these as much nowadays, but here you go anyway. Jack?! 22:27, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

		The Special Barnstar
		For being a clear, confident, polite and friendly editor. (1) Jack?! 22:27, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Aw, shucks, thanks! Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 22:30, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Talk pages

Like I've said, we'd stalk each other around in circles. Useight (talk) 23:51, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll reply here, only because I don't want you to think I'm madly, and unrequitingly, in love with you. My reply is this:  :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 23:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

That was the first thing to make me laugh all day. It's been a very sad day...I bought gas. Useight (talk) 23:54, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

We're still cheaper than Europe. Still, filling my rather small car, with a 15 gallan tank, costing me $60, was not pleasant yesterday, so yeah, I feel your pain...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 00:21, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

cheaper than Oz too. That said, was rather excited at paying *only* $3.95 yesterday when I was in Bedford, Massachusetts. Sad pleasure. Do't know what it is here since I commute by train/bus. Don't want to think. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 00:39, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

New section, started by Keeper, after a slow day...

OK, so my talkpage was quiet today, for the first day in several weeks. It made me sad. Made me wonder if the cabal decided via IRC and email to shun Keeper. Then I thought, "well, aren't you thinking highly of yourself?", had a good laugh, and then decided I may as well contribute to the content of this place as long as I have the time. So I did a fun thing. I hit random ten times, and wrote down (with pen and paper) the ten pages that Wikipedia wisely sent me to. Once I had ten random titles, I went back, starting at article 1. To my amazement, all ten articles needed something. Some, a typo or spelling fix, NBD. Others, needed a page move. One needed to be deleted, so I nommed it at AFD. I was inexplicably surprised with how garbled our precious encyclopedia really is. 100% of my random pages needed something. I'm planning on doing this every day. 10 articles per day from clicking "Random article" on the left of everyone's screen. You should do it too. There are at least 50 editors that have watchlisted this page, and I'm hoping they respect my opinions to some degree or another (my ego talking here). Click "Random" ten times per day. I haven't found an article yet that didn't need something. Add a Wikiproject to the talkpage. Fix a link to a disambiguation page. Do something productive! And then stop by my page to say hi. I like the social part too.  :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 23:59, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll make you a deal, you apartment hunt for me and I'll sit here and orchestrate conversation ;) That said, I agree re: the sad state of random. That's where I first started playing and then I moved on to the backlog, which is equally sad. It's amazing how little work can change some articles. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 00:36, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

EGADS, don't even get me started about the "backlog". Neverending. Anything you can do to help is appreciated, keeping in mind that whatever you do is immediately replaced by new problems in the same categories. That said, I had a freekin horrible weekend. Series with the Pale sox. Sox scored 10, then 11, then 12 runs on Fri-Sat-Sun. My babies scored 6-2-2. I'm in a rather pissy mood because of it....Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 00:39, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Sowwy! Mine did 2-2 against the lowly KC. Friday's was a very good game, I didn't see today's because Gameday didn't work on my work PC. Sweet come from behind wins, but I wish they'd remember how to hit two games in a row. Joba looked good which made me happy. There is hope. I like the unclear notability section of the backlog because those can easily be fixed via two seconds of editing or deletion. Some I leave because I have no clue but I can see a difference there, although there are seeminlgly always more than 15K in this cat. WP:CLEANUP scares me most. Bleh. I really wish people would put more than 20 seconds effort into creating an article. Would be a nice change. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 00:54, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree, the vast majority of wikipedia's content is more or less crap, most of it more rather than less. Which, to interject a serious note here, is one of the reasons why I am very dubious about the proposed bot to create God knows how many articles about settlements around the world. Fine, create the articles, but who'll be watching to make sure they don't also turn into crap? --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 00:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

See, now that is interesting Malleus, because I'm very much in favor of what you speak. Wikipedia has lots of crap. No argument from me. However, the bot issue is unrelated, because the bot is only created/designed to create articles about real places, fact checked by real humans, and added only when sufficiently sourced and agreed by consensus, as deserving of a stand alone article. That said, of the "ten articles" that I hit "random" on, 3 of 10 were unsourced, including 2 about fictional things, and one a BLP article (EGADS!). I agree with you Malleus to a certain extent, but I disagree with you about the bot additions, because they are geographical by nature, and because more or less, even though they really are !bot additions; as geographical articles, they would be added eventually, survive speedy, and survie afd, only they just haven't yet. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 00:56, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps we're talking a little bit at cross purposes; I don't dispute that those subjects deserve articles. My concern is that without an editor or two watching them then they will deteriorate into what happened recently to this article. One of wikipedia's many problems is that even maintaining the present level of crap is hard work that depends on willing volunteers to watch articles. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 01:06, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I trust Bloefeld because I've worked with him a lot on museum stubs, and from what interaction I've had with Fritz, he seems to be dedicated. What I worry about is 2 million more stubs, some of which are going to be hard.impossible to improve due to lack of other language readers to source articles on the English wikipedia. We saw this with Blathur and I can't imagine two million Blathurs. That said, won't condemn it. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 01:19, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

The revised proposal for Fritzpollbot (the one that I believe just reached a consensus to "go ahead", will explicitly not be creating 2 million articles, it is very much pared down. Fritz made a good analogy with comparing the bot to a can opener. We need the stuff that's in the can (place articles), and we can eventually get the stuff out of the can without a can opener, but its rather more difficult, sloppy, and inefficient. The bot opens the can easier, so that humans can get at the contents more easierly. The can opener isn't creating the food, it's merely helping us get to it. And the food is then screened, tested, verified to be healthy, wholesome, and worthy of eating. (All articles created/proposed will be WikiProject approved, improved, and watched. No 2 million articles magically appearing. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:06, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

The problem I see is slightly different. Because nobody created those articles then nobody will be watching them. An invitation for vandals to do what they will with them. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 01:27, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

See my reply above to TCari. WikiProjects are approving, improving, and watching the articles. 1000s of them yes, perhaps even 10000s of them. And somebody is creating the articles, the bot merely creates a list of proposed potential articles. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:08, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you MF, but you linked me somewhere Off-wiki. Do you have an example (I'm sure you do, because there are millions of articles...) of a Wiki-article being deteriorated? BTW, I'm going offline any second here, back tomorrow...</small)...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 01:09, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Denshaw. The link was to a newspaper article about the incident. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 01:14, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I'm an idiot, and I'm missing it. What's the problem with Denshaw? Keep in mind that a large percentage of geographical articles are vandalized, and frankly, I don't see a huge problem with what you linked (Denshaw). I need more than that to be convinced that adding equivocal places worldwide is a "bad thing". Give me more....Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 01:18, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

There's no problem with it now, but look at the talk page, and the DYK entry. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 01:20, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I'd comment, but I'm not a baseball fan. :-/ --Koji†Dude ^(C) 01:30, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Heh, can't break rule #4 of the keeperpedia. I'll grant you an exemption if you promise to cheer for whatever team is playing against the Yankees or White Sox....Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:11, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

• Holy Moly Keeper, I read your first comment and wondered what had happened to the you-of-old? ;-) giggy _(:O) 09:14, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Did someone say "Backlog"? When I started getting serious on WP, Pastordavid suggested that I help dig around in there. It was great advice, I think. The majority of the stuff I put up for AfD consideration comes from the Backlog's orphaned pages section. I am often amazed at what's in there and how long some pieces are lying about. Ecoleetage (talk) 13:30, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Keep's doing content work?! *swoon* :-) I do that sometimes with the random article bit. Ended up editing baseball player Al Unser the other day, and then some random Mexican geography article - which of course devolved (as always) into me just surfing around Wiki reading articles and talk pages. Sigh. Anyways, lookin good on the ol' RfA front, man. Is the champagne being brought into our locker room yet? Tan | 39 14:11, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

To be fair, I never did content work before my sysopping either...still not sure how I passed the damn thing. Fooled everyone. Mwahahaha....and yes, the bubbly is chilled, the sprinkler system is shut off, the cigars are lit, and the T-shirts are printed....Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:13, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

(outdent for the sake of OMG! Colon and E/C farm!) So in the random challenge, how do we classify those for which we have no idea? i.e. Trial separation and Archaeplastida Other and move on? _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 14:37, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

(ah, thank heavens, only one colon, much like my innards...). Anywho, the first one could be added to a Wikiproject, anytime I see a redlink talkpage, I try to add something to make it blue. The second article, well, that's rather complete, sourced, project-ed, and therefore likely watchlisted. Tis possible to find nothing worse than a missing comma...but I'll bet there's something...I'm gonna go see if I can't get my username in the page history before you....heheheh....Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:41, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I moved on. Had more fun with rescuing a museum from speedy. Like hell that's going to happen ;) _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 15:01, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Quitter. Oh, and I won. heh heh... Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:07, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Just wanted to send you a new orange message bar

Check out the AFD coaching page. New update. Dusti^{complain/compliment} 00:29, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Replied at the coaching page, cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 00:37, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Both for supporting the proposal, and for all the whiskey that reminded me I wasn't a hate figure during those terrible few days on the 'pedia! Ah, coding for a reason, and not just to make robots do things! Fritzpoll (talk) 14:30, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I never doubted it, but I can't imagine the pressure for you and Blofeld (and others). Many of the "opposers" were valid in their concerns, but I think Sam did a fantastic job dissecting the misconceptions about the bot's task and finding the consensus to go ahead. I was also pleased to see the late additions of "qualified support" (straw poll #3?) from some of the more ardent detractors. Now the real work will start. I'm happy to help where I can, I signed up as a volunteer. Do you have the WikiProject set up? I think at this point, organization and centralization is key, let me know if you need anything done. (keeping in mind I'm technically inept, but willing to try/learn anything...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:36, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Fortunately, all the technical stuff will fall on people like me - you will definitely be able to help! Organisation is going to be sorted before we contact the people (like you) who signed up - I'm also going to scrub the current lists of places, since their source lacks consensus. One of the first tasks for the group will be to cleanup the 100 articles already created by the bot during trials, since these were clearly inadequate, but no point deleting them now Fritzpoll (talk) 14:42, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Ah! My expertise! Mindless, repetitive busywork! Love it. Let me know when to start, where to start, and what to fix. Sweet. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

2,006

Talk page stalker sz: What the heck is going on here??? xenocidic (talk) 15:06, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

...edits. K les' do this. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 14:43, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

R U SRS? Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I HP HE S (Is this right?) Fritzpoll (talk) 14:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

My ROFFLECOPTER goes "Swoosh swoosh swoosh swoosh". Nah not serious. Thought I'd make a silly edit like such when hit the 2K mark. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 14:48, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll do a nom right now if you wannit. You'll pass. You'll get around 10 opposes for "not enuff edditts", and then you'll pass. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:01, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

...watchlisted the RfA page in anticipation Fritzpoll (talk) 15:05, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, who the hell knows what people will oppose for. Would you have thought ever, EVER, that "civility issues" would be thrown around on my RfA? I got a "strong oppose per...". Sigh. Tan | 39 15:08, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Isnt' that damn thing closing today? What time is it? Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:09, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Three hours to go....Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:11, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I think you were right, keep, three hours from NOW. Watch it tank at the very end. Tan | 39 15:31, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

77-7-5. No problems. Although I was wondering if you were gonna get the silly "admin mill" label somewhere. Wouldn't be RFA without the conspiracy theories...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:33, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I was gonna oppose per "Who the hell has a picture taken when they are buckled up in the backseat of a car?", but I had to support per editing history. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 15:35, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

HAHAHA. Yes, weird, I know. I think the problem is it was the only picture I had where I was alone, not doing something athletic, or not drinking a beer. Tan | 39 15:37, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

(e/c)I just spit diet mountain dew all over my keyboard. I would love to sponsor a "caption writing" contest for that picture...with Tan's permission of course. And probably without it too. Tan's a hottie. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:39, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

A caption writing contest for that pic would be great... the funniest pics are the ones that just have a small subtle thing different about them... Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 15:57, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I see some things here people may oppose for. Although I have been against the widespread 2k-3k minimum edit thought process, I don't think I'd be a hypocrite for not running because of it. When was the last time someone passed with 2,010 edits? Within a year? Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 15:15, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

OMG, you weren't kidding. 134 edits on my talk, and only 62 on your own? That's f*ing hilarious. :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:20, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Seems that the editcountitis threshold has gone up lately. Not to dissuade you, seriously. I actually think mine closes in about 80 minutes, Keep, but I could be wrong, the times on here always confuse me. Some pages will have my time (pacific), some will have the standard Greenwich time, I never know... Tan | 39 15:18, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Talk page stalker, hard at work. Tan, add that UI gadget "A clock in the personal toolbar that shows the current time in UTC and also provides a link to purge the current page". xenocidic (talk) 15:21, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

(surprise, surprise - e/c) I passed on under 3500 including deleted. Looking at it objectively, you have a good balance between article and article talk, suggesting collaboration, a good number of hits to admin areas. The only thing, oddly, that I can see as a problem is the count of User:talk - most of which is Keep's fault. Not sure it's that big a deal though Fritzpoll (talk) 15:21, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, so I think I'll just continue on my merry way. Plus baby is due in 8 days, not a good time to run. (My wife, not me, my name isn't Gwyn. :)) )Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 15:29, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the standard has gone up as of late. In my RFA criteria page, I state that I want to see 2000 total edits minimum, and I haven't changed that figure since I created the page last December and some people are complaining about it. Useight (talk) 16:08, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

See! We have a solid, established admin right here who would have to oppose, (or not support). :) Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 16:11, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Now that he's (almost) an admin, how 'bout some fun?

Tan has !requested that we help improve his userspace by adding an "appropriate" caption to the picture in the upper right corner of his userpage. Please help Tan become a better editor, by offering suggestions here for his consideration, (keeping in mind that he'll be an administrator within hours, and will likely go block-crazy, batshit-insane with power, mouth foaming, and will be forgiven at ANI for his indef blocks under the banner of "it's my first day")

1. "What do you mean, handcheck?"
2. "Get the fuck off the outside of my car dude!"
3. "If you're taking that picture, which one of us is driving?"
4. "I am the law"
5. "Tan realised that his days as a George Michael [1] tribute act were numbered
6. "Tan, making a tearful return to the place he was conceived".
7. "Here I am, in the back of a cab on my way to Dulles Airport for a five hour flight. I am hungover as hell. I might puke all over this nice dress shirt. I bet all my coworkers totally noticed me and two other partners-in-crime were still drunk at the meeting this morning." Wait, these are supposed to be jokes?
8. "Where to, Miss Daisy?"
9. "Tan gets ready for some drive-by supporting."
10. "Ok, I drive past the store, and you rush in brandishing the duck. Then we'll see who prefers ketchup to catsup."
11. "I know it's directly opposite us on the other side of the road, but this is Los Angeles!"
12. Today, no Spartan dies!
13. Can't you see I'm scowling? Put the fucking camera away.
14. Does it *look* like I'm addressing you, peon?
15. "Of course I care about your problems. I am after all, an admin".

Lil' help

See User talk:Xenocidic#requesting check for suspected sock puppets and advise. thanks, xenocidic (talk) 17:09, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

He's a troll from what I can tell. First edit is to cry "censorship" on the UFO article. Two established editors "agree" with each other on a side topic, and therefore they are socks? I don't hardly think so. I would advise a strong warning to the IP to stop forum shopping, stop the accusations, and get on with life else be blocked. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:19, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

lol, love it! now i'm a troll because i raise some concerns and don't agree with some...ok. "if you don't like him, ban him." how "nice" of you. no need to block me because of my differing opinion...i'll leave myself...glad i didn't open a account. forget it...geez! 66.84.19.26 (talk) 17:53, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Have a nice day. Hugs, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:54, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. xenocidic (talk) 17:35, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the rollback approval

Thanks very much for providing the rollback rights. TJRC (talk) 18:10, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

No problemo. Use them wisely, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:11, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

To the mentor

Keep - an official thanks for seeing the potential in me and always keeping the faith (is THAT where its from?! ;-). You were a fantastic coach - couldn't have asked for better - and it was a long, sometimes stressful road. But we did it. I'm gonna go abuse my tools now... Tan | 39 18:35, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Abusing your tools is better than abusing your tool. (maybe that should be the caption?...) Go break stuff, you have a "trainee button", which just may as well be a bullet proof vest, a shield, and a badge...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:38, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

More seriously (barely - I am keeper after all), I couldn't be prouder. I knew within days of starting the "coaching" that you didn't need it. You've been an admin all along, just sans buttons. My over-exuberance tanked your first RfA, and I'm so very glad you've stuck around. There is one particular user that I know you are itchin to block. Don't do it. I know, I know, tempting. Don't do it.. (I just made all my talkstalks go racing for your contribs....heh...) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:51, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Didn't even think about it. Seriously. Tan | 39 18:52, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

• Congrats Tan! speaking of talk page stalkers, I've made us a userbox:

{{Wikipedia:TPS/userbox}}

Beware! This user is a known talk page stalker.

Transclusions

Happy stalking. xenocidic (talk) 18:54, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Do you have one of those for the stalkees? Whilst I do a lot of "butting in", I would like a userbox that I can display, something like "This user's talkpage is heavily guarded by talk page stalkers" Make me one, I demand it! Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:59, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Since you demanded it... {{WP:TPS/userbox|stalkee=yes}} =

Beware! This user's talk page is patrolled by talk page stalkers.

=) xenocidic (talk) 19:13, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Note: I modified it some so if you decide to use it on your talk page, you may want to check out the new directions. And yes, I do realize I'm doing exactly what the userbox is about.... Thingg^⊕⊗ 14:44, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Care to explain...

...your remark on User talk:Koingosw directed to me? - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 20:20, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I endorse the sentiment of Keeper's remark and thought about leaving you a warning for violating WP:CIVIL. You don't have to be a dick and rub it in to prove your point. We appreciate the help with Wikipedia, just try to use a bit more maturity and tact. Tan | 39 20:23, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

(e/c)It's just way way over the top. There's a thread at ANI right now about it, he just got railroaded out the door in my opinion. The article doesn't belong here, I agree, and I deleted it twice myself, but your tone is coming across to me as rather childish if I'm being honest - almost taunting. Just asking you to move along that's all, not to get to wrapped up in it. I've seen you around and I know you do great work, I didn't mean offense to you personally, you just seemed a bit over zealous. Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:24, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

The statement was completely unnecessary and if it did anything, it only served to inflame the situation further. I also support Keeper's response. There was nothing helpful about your comments. In fact, they were downright condescending. Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 20:27, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry if I offended anyone, but people who insist on posting self-promotional articles over and over and over are a pet peeve of mine, especially when they blatantly ignore Wikipedia policies against such articles. The account should have been blocked much earlier on a username violation (which I think two different users reported to WP:UAA. But there's absolutely no way that this user could be considered "railroaded." He repeatedly posted promotional articles about the company where he apparently works, using a username that should have been blocked. It's a no-brainer. I see this sort of thing all the time on new-page patrol, though most people aren't quite as stubborn as this one. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 20:42, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I've got lots of pet peeves too Real, and I tend to not edit near them. I know you do a lot of NPP and deletion noms, and I generally find your work to be good. But when you come across someone "that stubborn", do yourself the stress free favor of reporting said user, then walking away. If reported, it will get dealt with, no need to use phrases like "Oh, please" and "BS". Just friendly advice, I'd hate to see you burn out on Wikipedia, because frankly the spammers will never go away, and never give up. We're a top ten website, and we're free. It's like wearing a bullseye around your neck. Be polite, tell them to go away, give them bluelinks to why you're telling them to go away. But don't mock them and taunt them. If they are working you up that bad, I recommend finding something else to do on Wikipedia. The pay here sucks, and ain't worth gettin' stressed over. Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

See also: Mea Culpa

I saw that you had the fourth deletion on that article, and got my wires crossed; thus. Please accept my apologies. Thanks, UltraExactZZ ^Claims ~ Evidence 20:44, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

No problemo, saw the strikeout. cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:02, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

My RfA

Thanks for contributing your valued opinion, and looking at edits as well as userpages. I'll probably try again in 4-6 months, after enacting the changes advised, so i'll hopefully see you then :). Ironholds 20:57, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Looking forward to supporting, cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:32, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

WP:RFB.

Keeper = 'crat when? · AndonicO ^Engage. 22:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

How bout after I've been here at least a year? Sheesh. I've been an editor less than a year, an admin for less than 5 months. I would be the first one in the oppose section. But thanks for the compliment, you're the second editor, just enough now to make my head swell a little larger... :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 22:48, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I think you'd be ideal Keeps - but the WP:TENURE-COUNT would, alas, be an issue :( . It's one of things, but community accepted norms are just that - and there is no value in going against them. Also, I get the feeling the community feels we have a glut of 'crats at the moment (although I'd argue surplus is good).Pedro :  Chat  22:59, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

If I end up a 'crat before you do, Pedro, that would be a crime against nature and humanity. I've been here 10 months. I would oppose my own nomination. For now...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 23:03, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Oppose - WP:NOT#MYSPACE. *whistles innocently* giggy _(:O) 07:43, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Heh. That's only a guideline, not policy...but I agree, and would oppose Pedro Keeper for that too...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 13:44, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

And yes, I know its really part of policy, but that's the argument I see usually brought up whenever someone is "breaking the rules".  :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 13:45, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Seeing as my cover as a member of The Cabal has been blown I'm afraid I'll no longer be able to support, as I'll be too busy sipping cocktails with Jimbo & Angela in our secret underground bunker, warmed by Giano and Greg Kohs roasting over a slow fire. (Almost 24 hours later and this attack still makes me chuckle — with the possible exceptions of Malleus & Poetlister I find it hard to think of a less likely cabal member currently active.) – iridescent 15:59, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Pete Smith (baseball)

It was recently approved and proven to not be a copyvio. It should appear on the mainpage in about a day or two. I wrote the article all by myself. I just thought I'd let you know. Best, RyRy5 (talk) 01:57, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Now, it's currently added to the next update. It should be on the mainpage in just a few hours. Hope your there in time to see it. --RyRy5 (talk) 07:58, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

It has been added. My second DYK that I created. --RyRy5 (talk) 11:13, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Nice work RYRY! I just saw it there, I didn't miss it. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 13:46, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Keep! :D I'm working on my third one. It's going to be Pete Young now. I've pretty much learned how to not make baseball articles as copyvio. I still need to practice a little with creating articles outside the baseball topic.--RyRy5 (talk) 18:53, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion

On your userpage, instead of the WannabeKate link, why not use SQL's Tool instead? It's kinder to the server, contains a lot more information, is more interesting in the way it analyses the stats, and doesn't crash as soon as you go over 45000 edits. (Yes, I realise this is some way off). BTW, what was the 1 edit you made using an automated tool? Did it put you off them for life? – iridescent 15:48, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I've never once ever used an automated tool, except HotCat, linked in gadgets. It's very typical of me to have strong opinions where I have no strong experience :-) I'll fix my userpage, good suggestion...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:50, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

That link says you've used Twinkle... once. You have a lot of explaining to do. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 15:56, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I did? What link? I honestly don't remember teehee, I'm a one and done.... Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:58, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Ooo! I did! What's more fascinating to me is that I've made one edit to Portal Talk. W(hen)TF did I ever need to edit portal talk? Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 16:00, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

When I see things like "Portal Talk" on those edit counters, I imagine the worlds top scientists and military men discussing the discovery of a wormhole that leads to another dimension. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 16:03, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

The Cabal Sees Everything. – iridescent 16:07, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Are you bored or something? I snooped a bit too, and have to say, if you are trying to get your usertalk editing up to my level of expertise, you are welcome to use my talkpage to improve your percentages there :-) That's my snarky, sarcastic way of saying I'm not worthy! I'm not worthy!. Holy shit, your stats are astounding. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 16:10, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

The fascinating thing about my stats is how some of the most unlikely pages can find their way onto your "most edited" list thanks to a few rollbacks. (Windsor High School (Halesowen)? Aidan? Flatland BMX? Chuck Bresnahan?) Meanwhile, massive total-rewrite jobs like this or this don't get a look in. I think the stat that sums me up best is "Help: 1 edit". – iridescent 16:17, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Diet mountain dew + keyboard = dash for napkins....1 edit at help, that is precious. Didn't even register as 1/100th of a percent....:-) BTW, I don't even have one... Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 16:20, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

←The best edit stats of all are Alison's. Not only the 3000+ blocks, but I bow low before anyone who can rack up 55 edits to Penis removal. (This tool really is a fascinating way to waste time.) Did the biscuits arrive yet? – iridescent 16:24, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

(e/c)Great, now whenever anyone clicks on "what links here" on the PR article, it will include my talkpage. Thanks for that. No biscuits yet (everyone else that reads this page is saying WTF right now)...should be soon I suspect, hmmm...I need to find my order number...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 16:27, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Or in other words, your post was simultaneously referencing Goodwood and Bad wood. Hope you're laughing, no one else will get it...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 16:28, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

No, I referenced Goodwood and Nowood. This is Badwood. Click that link at your own risk and I'll warn you, you really will regret it – iridescent 16:34, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Dammit, Irid, you know you can't say don't do something and expect someone not to do it. Dammit, that tripped my gag reflex -- nasty shit. That's three pictures this week that you've linked in conversation that have something to do with male genitalia. I won't comment further on that, let everyone judge for themselves...:-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 16:37, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I didn't click it but I have popups! (no pun intended) motion to block! xenocidic (talk) 20:16, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

That SQL edit counter ROCKS. Changed on my userpage, too. Tan | 39 16:26, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

And mine... TPS high five, Tan! :D By the way, just so you all know... I'm thinking about submitting a proposal to move this page to Wikipedia:Village pump (keeper) - Alex Muller 16:40, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

After coming back after 12 hours and finding my talkpage doubled in size by the lame flamewars on it, I'm considering redirecting mine to WP:ANI. – iridescent 15:18, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Holy crap, just read that. Wowsers. I suppose though, if you swat at a beehive with a stick...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:22, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

I was a bit confused. All figured out now! Thanks, Kivar2 (talk) 16:51, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Deleted page: Rewrite the Future

Hi,

I posted this page and it was deleted almost immediately. Please let me know what I need to do in order to undelete it. Thanks.

Flora412 (talk) 17:33, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Replied on your talkpage, cheers -- Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:57, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Badgering essay or guideline?

With your fairly extensive knowledge, do you know if there's an essay or guideline on badgering? Basically something that says that although your statements may be valid, your arguments watertight and your logic flawless, you do yourself no favours by repeatedly responding to someone you disagree with. Many thanks for your thoughts and advice on this. Gazimoff ^Write_Read 18:55, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

My extensive knowledge. Heh, that's gonna make me head swell. I've always liked WP:STICK, also WP:POINT. I do wish there was a WP:YOU'RENOTHELPING, but alas, it's red-linked...:-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:57, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Quick question

What's the protocol for one administrator blocking another? Does it ever happen? --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 20:06, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh yes - it happens. And the protocol is that the admin who is blocked should not unblock themselves. Other than that it depends on the specifics of the instace. Pedro :  Chat  20:07, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

(e/c)! Pedro's fast today...:Yep. Happens. Usually justified. Admins aren't allowed to run amok (I know they do, but still, not allowed). The taboo is when an admin unblocks him/her self. That's a big no-no, generally leads to a quick desysop (even if the block was ridiculous/spitey/unnecessary/bitey). Why, pray tell, do you ask? Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:09, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

No particular reason, I've just been feeling a bit vulnerable since you know what. Thanks for the explanation both of you. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 20:13, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Admins, in general, have large enough egos as it is. Can you imagine the mortal danger wikipedia would be in if admins weren't allowed to be blocked, or perceived themselves as "unblockable"? A dangerous little micro-world this would become...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:15, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Yet an exciting one. There'd be cliques of admins going around like gangs blocking anyone that got in their way. It'd be a hierarchy like one I haven't seen since high school. Not saying that'd be a good thing, that's just what would possibly happen. Useight (talk) 20:25, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

3 for 3!!!

Check the page. I will be off and on tonight, so if I don't answer quickly, that's why. Dusti^{complain/compliment} 20:19, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Looks good Dusti. Find 3 more, make comments "early" in the discussion (ideally, I'd like you to be the first to give an opinion). Once that's done, we'll move on to NACs. Link them up on the subpage. Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:23, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

DING!!! Pinging your talk page now click here. Dusti^{complain/compliment} 23:12, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Responded there, thanks DH, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:20, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Ding! Dusti^{complain/compliment} 15:28, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Mordechai Suchard

Hi there. Thanks for the message, I can see your point. Have set up the AfD, Ged UK (talk) 20:30, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Okie dokie! Thanks for understanding - happy editing, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:31, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

And thank you for being so civil and respectable -- sometimes editors edit/delete/modify content and support their actions with regulatory legislation and portray themselves as objective defenders of the rule of law but appear as belligerant executors of vigilante-style Wikipedia your-article-has-no-merit-to-exist justice. Your support for the editing process is a kind gesture and a true nod to the rule of law. DRosenbach ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 20:47, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

You're very welcome. Good luck with the article, I hope that it can be improved enough to stay! Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:50, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you for this – ukexpat (talk) 20:43, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

No problem. Left a warning on said user's page as well. Let me know if he/she continues to provide "useful commentary" as to your intelligence level, I'll block'm good! :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:47, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

personal attacks

dont tell me what i can and can not do i'll come over there right now and throw a brick through ur window — Preceding unsigned comment added by Footballtime (talk • contribs)

Well hi there! We were just talking about you! Why do you assume my environment has windows? Don't you know that all wikipedians live in their mother's basements, rarely shave, and are hellbent on making you miserable because they're miserable themselves? Go away, and have a nice day! Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:48, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

we got a smart aleck here do we well i'm gonna have to fix that —Preceding unsigned comment added by Footballtime (talk • contribs) 20:53, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Really, I'm more of a smart ass. Anyone else watching this wanna take a look at Mr.footballtime's editing? Do what you will, he/she seems to be looking for the exit, and may need help finding it...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:56, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Will actively monitor user.. xenocidic (talk) 20:59, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Xeno. I fully expect Mr. Time to "visit" your talkpage next. Sunrise, sunset. Today's vandals, tomorrow's catbox liner...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:01, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

he found his exit door for 31 hours, at least. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 21:01, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Aw, I was kinda having fun with him! I wanted to see how bad he'd get (he hadn't even used a swear word yet!). Just kidding, good block.  :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:03, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Would {{Tilde}} be out of order here? Gazimoff ^Write_Read 21:07, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

signing his posts is probably the least of his problems. :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:10, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

He called me a Yankee, I'm touched! I didn't know I was a baseball player now. :) _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 21:12, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Being called a Yankee, whether it be baseball related, or just where you live, is always perjorative.  :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:13, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh man -- I just finished writing the following, and then I find out his page is only allowed to be edited by admins. Someone please put this where he will read it -->

"It's actually funny you should ask that -- no, I am not his lawyer. I am not even his dentist! In fact, I wrote an article that some people might have thought was about a subject who is not notable enough to have his own article, and Keeper is part of the ad hoc team that is challenging the article's right to exist. Had I taken your attitude, I would have lost all credibility. But I appreciate my privilage to write/edit and be appreciated as a writer/editor on Wikipedia more than I hold fast to some false notion of my infallibility or immunity to criticism. So, my article is not being deleted for the time being, and as I can garner more support through written persuasion and increased text and source citation in the article in question, not only am I confident that the article will be accepted as a Wikipedia article for all to read and educate themselves, I will have maintained -- nay, enhanced -- my credibility as a writer/editor for having showed restraint when restraint was indicated and for defending myself with the accepted tools of defense. What you have done, my friend (and I mean that in earnest), was entered the boxing ring, shot your opponent with a concealed hand gun, and went on to proclaim yourself the champion. No one should or will respect that as a win -- including you. If I were you, I would take some time to reflect on your actions and apologize to Keeper. Then, go on to become a tremendous contributor to Wikipedia, both in content as well as attitude. One day, you'll meet some hothead and you can settle an argument by telling him that you began Wikipedia by telling someone you would throw a brick at them -- but that you changed for the better. Then he'll go on to do the same, and we'll eventually have a greater team bent on improving Wikipedia as a source of information, properly cited and procured, and we can leave the bricks to the contractors and the basketball players. :) DRosenbach ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 21:16, 11 June 2008 (UTC)"

Thank you. DRosenbach ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 21:16, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Excellent message, DRosenbach. I added it to his talkpage. Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:32, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Who has lost 6 in a row and is now under .500? Who was in first place a few weeks ago? :-p off apartment hunting, personal attacks and abuse to be continued tomorrow ;) _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 21:34, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Dammit, TC, I haven't watched yesterday's game yet. You ruined it. As far as I knew, my boys had only lost 5 in a row. Dammit. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:35, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry! Wasn't intention I swear. Blame MLB.com, that's who told me. I admire your ability to TiVO and remain unaware. Yankeees are on the left coast this week and I passed out listening to the game last night. Became a frantic search on the Blackberry this morning to get a score because the radio in my alarm was not in sync with the news announcing the scores. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 00:30, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

You saved me a couple of hours of disappointment anyway. I haven't watched yesterday's game yet. Don't tell me whether they're 1-6 or 0-7....if anyone else tells me the score of yesterday's twin's game, I'll block em. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:09, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

No spoilers from me, don't know the score. Don't like West Coast trips and 10 pm starts. Need to get back to East, Central or even Mountain. Mountains. I like mountains. I'm working on Museum of the Rockies and want to get it 5x so I can submit it for a DYK. Bah. It's not going to happen _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 16:06, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Just wondering why I wasn't invited to this party? Gee, you guys have all of the fun :). Dusti^{complain/compliment} 16:19, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Non-admins are the exclusive group here Dusti, don't worry. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 16:20, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I wonder what he would have called me, as I definatley don't play baseball.....hmmmmm :)Gwynand, have you found yourself an argument lately? You were SO in the mood the other day.....lol Dusti^{complain/compliment} 16:24, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Ba ZING! No on-wiki arguments recently, plenty of off. Was a I picking a fight on wikipedia? I don't remember. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 16:27, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Howard Goldman

I have writen an article about the author Howard Goldman I would like to get published. But it was deleted. I have read other wiki posts about authors so unclear on why mine was deleted.

Vgmarketing (talk) 01:00, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll be visiting your talkpage shortly, Vgmarketing (interesting username). Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:10, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Tom Klausler

Thank you for spending the time on the article! It was on my list, but I hadn't gotten to it yet. I spent some time on it and made it even better. Royalbroil 04:04, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

You're very welcome. (anyone else reading this, please note, Keeper is getting thanked for article work. Tee hee! Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:10, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

*falls out of chair* Tan | 39 16:35, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Heh. (Again, my disclaimer - I never was an article writer before adminship, so really, it's the community's fault....) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 16:38, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Courtesy Notification regarding my recall criteria

Hiya. Just a courtesy note to say I've named you as one of the editors that I would accept a request for recall from. There's nothing onerous about it, and you don't have to do anything. It's simply to let you know that as I have added myself to CAT:AOR I needed some unfussed criteria for recall, and I believe your judgement fits that criteria neatly. Thanks! Pedro :  Chat  10:34, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

<insert evil laugh here> :-). I'm personally not on the "open to recall" list. Maybe I need to think about that further. Right now, I would go down kicking and screaming, dragging everyone with me through ArbComm... Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:13, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Is there any other way to go? ;-) --Koji†Dude ^(C) 16:29, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry Koji, I've got enough diffs from you (the "motel" stuff comes to mind), to bring you down with me....:-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 16:30, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Eh, I had a good run.--Koji†Dude ^(C) 16:31, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I had a good laugh at this one. Notification of the ability to recall me! Heh. One thing I don't really understand is, Pedro refers to "if he goes off the rails." If he really abuses the tools badly, chances are either something happened to his judgment, or his account was taken over by someone else. In that case, wouldn't User:Pedro resist recall anyway? Can a steward force an admin to abide by his recall requirements? Enigma ^message 16:40, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Ironical isn't it? And no, a steward can't do anything other than desysop someone that the community says to desysop through either stepping down (voluntary) or formal decision (Arbcomm, etc). Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 16:41, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey keeper!!! do your job, just kidding, lol wanted to let you know I finished it :). Dusti^{complain/compliment} 16:44, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Keeper

Gee, you seem to be a bit too happy recently, whats up? :) Dusti^{complain/compliment} 16:22, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

*hic!* Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 16:23, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

oh emm gee :) Dusti^{complain/compliment}

Dashboard enhancements

Added WP:RFPP to your dashboard. Feel free to tweak or revert as desired. Funny bit of trivia - you said "I don't do a ton of blocking (not my forte)" - a bit of an understatement - I had already blocked more users on my 4th day as admin than you have in your whole tenure! ;> xenocidic (talk) 16:54, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I just saw your dashboard pop up my watchlist, I liked the changes, and before I could get into mine, you had updated mine too! I like how the system is working :-) Your last statement there sounds a bit like "WP:BLOCKCOUNTITIS"...:-), blocking is evil, and necessary, and no fun, and necessary, and a last resort, but you know all that. I'm proud to have a low block count. You probably noticed that I moved the AIV section of my dash down below the Deletion section, for that very reason - I just don't do a lot of it (blocking). Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 16:57, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

heh, I know, I was just pointing out the understatement of the century. =) yep - I noticed you swapped those sections. xenocidic (talk) 17:02, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

We should...

...keep a running tally of all the RfAs we disagree on. I'm personally waiting for the first where I support and you oppose. I liked reading Ali's nom statement, although in all honesty, sometimes I feel like I'm probably moving away from requesting the tools, not closer. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 18:30, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity, Keep and Gwynand, what do you think about my viewpoint? Dusti^{complain/compliment} 18:33, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

To be honest Dusti, considering we opposed for entirely different things, I'm not sure where in the RfA (or his contribs) you decided that he has no understanding of the tools. He just says he won't use them. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 18:39, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree Dusti, that's what I would say too. Anyone that is involved in dispute resolution, as ali'i is most obviously, "understands" the tools. I understand your point of view, btw Gwynand, and found your oppose well worded and civil. I fundamentally disagree with you though, obviously. I found the nom statement to be one of the more refreshing, non standard nom statements that I've seen in a long time. Not afraid to use humor, not afraid to be honest ("I'm not answering opt. questions"), not afraid to let the community decide what to "do with him" and not caring either way. (I did read his post on your talkpage as well, it solidified my support). Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:42, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I feel like some of the following opposes are further clarifying the position. The RfA itself seems troublesome, I really have no idea why he is there... it is not "No Big Deal" to the point of such a nom statement. I agree with how refreshing his statement/essay was, as I told him on my talk page, I just don't think it should've been in an RfA. I'm a little confused by the whole thing, already seems like its becoming a mini-spectacle... I just don't want to move towards that type of stuff in processes we are trying to improve. I quite agree with Dank55's recent !vote, btw. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 18:46, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I definitely agree with the mini-spectacle, and I'll call it right now - it's about to be a maxi-spectacle. Inevitable with a "highly visible user" with an unusual nom statement. Some embrace it, others reject it, human nature. I'm staying away. It is highly highly unlikely to pass, and also highly highly likely to cause hurt feelings. Ten foot pole for me. I said my piece, I challenged a couple of fence sitters/neutrals, I'm not even watchlisting it. I've learned my lessons "overcontributing" (I think Philosopher's was the last one that really riled me up...} Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:49, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

This RFA makes me want to not become an admin, actually.....I mean, it seems like if someone puts himself/herself up for adminship, or anyone goes to RFA anymore for that matter, someone brings up power hunger. Dusti^{complain/compliment} 18:51, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

The nom put "power hunger" in his first sentence of his nom statement, it wasn't an opposer. I would recommend just staying away, it really just can't end well at this point. People are going to disagree on a fundamental level. I would be pleasantly surprised if people supported/opposed based on the candidate and not the candidate's RfA, but unfortunately, that isn't going to happen in our current climate, to Ali'i's detriment. Doesn't sound like he'll be too upset about it though, he did "RFA" the way he wanted to do it. Good for him (I don't think it will pass). Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:53, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

(2xe/c)Maxi-spectacle sounds like the product name fort the worst tampon ever created. Yeah, I think any further contribution from me will likely be directly to Ali, or just a healthy discussion elsewhere, like here. I don't know if you've noticed, but I feel my one sort of battleground issues in RfAs is the use of "No Big Deal" in votes. Maybe I'll just write an essay on it, probably shouldn't keep bringing it up elsewhere, don't want to be POINTy myself. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 18:54, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

<--The worst tampon name ever is actually a brand name of one of these. Read the list of "current brand names" in the second paragraph, paying close attention to the brand associated with USA...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:58, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Just thought I would drop in here Dusti - FWIW, as far as your optional questions, I remember reading somewhere it's discouraged to ask stock questions (i.e. the ones that can be answered by looking at the cheat sheet). ((Yes, I used the cheat sheet during my RFA - LULZ) xenocidic (talk) 18:59, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Why are you dropping in to talk about wikipedia related stuff? We were discussing the fact that Keeper is named after a ... ummm.... "menstrual cup". Yes, cup. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 19:01, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Stop laughing. I'm not named after, just named similarly. In the same sense that I feel bad for anyone named Gail that doesn't have the need for a menstrual cup....:-) :-)Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:02, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Er - yes- my apologies. I begun drafting that before you guys went off on the tangent! ;> (embrace the EC) xenocidic (talk) 19:02, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

OH SNAP... guess I can't name my son that.... :D Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 19:04, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I think this is the first one I've broke with Keeper's lead, too, Gwy. Does this mean I don't get popcorn? Tan | 39 21:13, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

You've both got me wondering now. Not about Ali'i, he meets my criteria easily (notice the "non issues" includes nom statements and optional questions?), but about whether I've opposed when GW supported, and whether Tan and I have ever disagreed. I'm pretty sure we have Tan, at least once. Dang it all, now I hafta go looking....Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:23, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

(e/c)I seem to have inadvertently sided with Keeper, rendering me popcornful. I think it's about trust, but looking at Tan and Gwyn's comments, they seem to make sense to me in that context as well - can you trust a user who is flippant about RfA? If not, then oppose - I just don't mind flippancy! :) Fritzpoll (talk) 21:26, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

It really is a tone issue I think. Everyone "reads" things differently. Some see humour and lightheartedness, and say "Ha! This guy gets this place!". Others will read the exact same sentences, and say "this guy is flippant!" Ali'i answered optional question #7 very well addressing this. (And, BTW, I'm only giving popcorn out to the fence-sitters. Two editors in a row said "I can't decide, but I wanna watch, so I offered them some light refreshments...it actually wasn't necessarily meant as a compliment :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:30, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I shouldnt have mentioned Eco's post; my oppose wasn't for "flippancy" as much as it was for... well, I think adminship IS a big deal - whether it should be or not - and it really just seems like s/he's doing it to prove a point. Anyways, you saw my oppose remark, dunno why I'm reiterating here. *munch* Tan | 39 21:32, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

(e/c)Keeper, I hope you realize that what you're doing is like giving out water only to the people watching the game, instead of the players. :-/ For shame.--Koji†Dude ^(C) 21:33, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, Koji. That's exactly what I'm doing. I'm only giving out water to those that shelled out 20-50 bucks to watch a game. As a condolence, the multi-million dollar paid players will certainly have someone around at all times to squirt gatorade in their mouths for them ()heaven forbid they strain themselves) without my further assistance. Your analogy just got pwned...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:36, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

If that's the condition for popcorn, I may just have to switch to neutral. And Tan - I sort of agree in that we shouldn't hand out sysop buttons with the rations, meaning that it becomes a big deal. I read it more as anticipating opposes for being honest than being pointy - again, the joy of the net in it's infinite ability to remove all the inflection we apply as we "hear" the words we type. Fritzpoll (talk) 21:37, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

We get paid multi-million dollar salaries to vote in RfA's? I wasn't aware of this. I'll have to start writing longer !votes. Maybe put the next one in fuschia or something...--Koji†Dude ^(C) 21:41, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

You see, some of us [2] make an effort :) Gazimoff ^Write_Read 21:43, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Woooah!! Wait, paychecks, definatley count me in I'll write a book for each RFA for the next month.... maybe not :) Dusti^{complain/compliment} 21:45, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

And I'll come up with an exciting new signature. I've already got a few rough drafts.--BLACK LADY IN-APPROPRIETLY TOUCHES HOMOSEXUALS ON TELEVISION!! READ ALL ABOUT IT22:05, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

There's one in every crowd. Tan | 39 22:06, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Ummmm.....I take that offensivley <sp?> Dusti^{complain/compliment} 22:12, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

<-Dusti, don't take offense to that. It was silly. And Koji - dear Lord, don't ever sign like that again...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 22:24, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmm.....ok, but I don't want to see that again. Dusti^{complain/compliment} 23:03, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, who cares, Dusti. If you get offended over shit like that, you won't last another month here on Wiki - and you certainly won't survive any eventual RfA. Let Koji be a douche if he wants. Tan | 39 23:06, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Ali'i

...please send some Wikipopcorn my way. I don't how to begin. WilliamH (talk) 20:14, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Replied on your talkpage. Cheers, (or happy eating?) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:47, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Ha! I laughed out loud, cheers for that. :) WilliamH (talk) 20:57, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Trails of the Olympic Peninsula

Thanks for the help in editing, wikifying, and generally making better. I am not much of an editor and or copyright reference expert, so I appreciate all the help I can get. I hope you can get out here eventually, it is truely a wonderful place. Bigfathairymarmot (talk) 23:18, 12 June 2008 (UTC)