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deletion of 'starnet'

Hi

Can you elaborate on why you deleted my page on starnet. Starnet is a Gteko spinnoff which was bought out by Microsoft for 190 million so i dont understand how that can be blatant advertising.

Thanks

Clifton —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cliftonflack (talk • contribs) 09:47, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Template:Fb cl team

Hi Number 57. This template does assume that. It got the team's name and link from another templates located in Category:Fb team templates that also doesn't assume that. Regards. --ClaudioMB (talk) 19:50, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Arutz 10.png

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Thank you for your cooperation. NOTE: once you correct this, please remove the tag from the image's page. STBotI (talk) 09:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Atidekhad.jpg

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Abu Basma expansion

Greetings Number 57! Just wanted to drop by and say "great job!" with significantly expanding the Abu Basma Regional Council article and creating several new articles on the council's villages. I'm especially impressed with al-Sayyid btw. Anyhow... Keep up your great work as always! Regards, --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:49, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Eastbourne Borough F.C. player pages listed for deletion.

As it states in the subject, why are some of the players that the pages I have requested for up for deletion?

It states that are not professional athletes. Eastbourne Borough F.C. is not yet a professional football club, also not all information about these people has been publicised just yet. If you can allow me a few months to source more information about these people I will gladly add them. EddersGTI (talk) 19:29, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough, I do see your point there. EddersGTI (talk) 23:08, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

UEFA football leagues templates

Some users are renaming the Rep. of Macedonia to FYR Macedonia in the Top level football leagues of Europe; 2007-08 in European Football; 2008-09 in European Football templates. Please consider that this is official name of the domestic league not UEFA. If I'm correct please revert this edits. If I'm not, please explain why. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Isavevski (talk • contribs) 00:07, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of MASA Israel Journey

Can you please explain to me why this article is deleted? I consider the program of equal relevance as birthrigh israel.

Glorydaze716 (talk) 15:52, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Jagdish Shukla

The tag for deletion on this page has been on far past the requisite five days. Would you be able to delete it? Ironholds (talk) 22:48, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Woops, sorry! got the month confused. thanks for your help! Ironholds (talk) 22:50, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

About the Starnet deletion. They just got bought out by IAC the owners of Ask.com, Match.com etc... I think the deletion was premature and unjustified and needs to be reimplemented.Please explain why the deletion happened as 13 million people think it's important enough to be a registered member and use on a multidaily basis... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.74.105.134 (talk) 06:33, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

al-Sayyid

On 27 May, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article al-Sayyid, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 01:04, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Request for Mediation: John Howard

Hello. A request for mediation has been lodged for the John Howard article, concerning whether information about an incident between John Howard and Barack Obama should be included or deleted from the article. The link for the RfM is Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation/John_Howard. The issue is still being discussed on the article talk page. Please go to the RfM page and list whether you agree or disagree to be involved in mediation of this issue. Thank you, Lester 01:44, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Multi-state

I saw on your userpage that you "believe in a multi-state solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict." This is certainly something I've never seen before. What do you mean "multi-state"? What other states can there be besides a Jewish, an Arab (or a bi national) one? I'm only asking you this since it was on your userpage and I found it interesting. If you don't wish to discuss this matter, that's cool with me.Bless sins (talk) 04:45, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

That's an interesting solution. However, a couple of things should be noted. Though Kurds exist in Syria, Iran, Iraq and Turkey, only in the latter two countries have they any major separatist movements.

Also, I haven't seen the Druze enter into a conflict with either Muslims (Sunnis and Druze form the pro-Western coalition in Lebanon) or Jews (Druze serve alongside Jews in the Israeli military).

As for the Assyrians, their state would be far too small to be independent,[1] and would like be an autonomous region in an independent country.

Hey, what would you say to Middle Eastern federation of states (much like the European Union) that could unite the peoples of the Middle East, instead of dividing them?

Your thoughts?Bless sins (talk) 02:58, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Final decision in CAMERA lobbying arbitration case

This arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above. Mere membership by an editor in some external group that has been involved in violations of policy is not actionable without evidence that the editor has some personal involvement in said violations. Sanctions previously imposed are confirmed. An amnesty is extended towards any editors who may have been involved in this external group and who have not been sanctioned for their participation in it. This is coupled with an expectation that these editors will not participate in similar efforts in the future. Members of the community who may have information regarding similar efforts by external groups to unduly influence our content are urged to forward that information to the Committee for review. Hypnosadist (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is admonished to maintain an appropriate level of professionalism at all times, and to avoid misrepresenting Wikipedia policy to other editors. For the committee, — Rlevse • Talk • 20:20, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

2009 election

I was just about to create an article on the 2009 Malawian election; the purpose of adding it to the template was to give me a convenient link when I decided to do it. If red linked elections can't go in the template, why don't you delete all the red linked past elections? Everyking (talk) 04:10, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

So I can't make that link because one person made a decision for a reason you don't remember? Everyking (talk) 17:27, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

AFAICR, it wasn't my idea, but it was convincingly argued by someone who's since left Wikipedia that if we wanted to link to a future election in the template, we should at least know enough about the election to also create at least a stub on it... And I can see no good counterargument to that, personally. —Nightstallion 22:55, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, I know enough about the election to write a stub on it, so that isn't a problem. Everyking (talk) 23:13, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Template:New Zealand elections

Please explain at the template talk page why you have removed content that is under discussion, and why you chose not to participate in that discussion. I'm also not at all sure what your edit summary is supposed to mean; how is the group number unused?-gadfium 08:32, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of David Dodd

It's not necessary to delete this article. Despite the fact that he hasn't yet played a game for Queensland Roar he has definately played senior team games for his previous clubs. And there's a very good chance he'll play a senior game for Roar when the season starts, which means all the work already done for his page will have to be redone. Besides, all players signed to an A-League club have their own page regardless of how many games they're played, due to the fact that because of the small playing roster of the A-League there's a very high chance they'll play at least one game in the upcoming season. Blackjanedavey (talk) 18:17, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok but what about the fact that he has definately played a senior game for his previous clubs (in a fully professional league)? Surely that means his page is valid. I just can't find the exact number of games because that information is not available on the internet. Blackjanedavey (talk) 14:21, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

He played for the Palm Beach Sharks in the Brisbane Premier League. This was before the Queensland State League, which was only introduced this year, so the BPL was the highest form of competition for footballers in the state of Queensland until this year. As far as I know, it is a fully professional league.

Vandalism

I want to report that User:157.228.x.x does not edit on a neutral point of view. I guess he is a Greek and the only thing he does is changing Republic of Macedonia to FYROM in every possible article. I am a Macedonian so I also may not see this on a neutral point of view so I leave it to you to decide. Please explain this situation as soon as possible. Isavevski (talk) 12:41, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Bustan al-Marj towns

Thanks for creating the articles on Bustan al-Marj Regional Council's towns. I expanded ed Dahi somewhat. I was going to add some info on Kafr Misr, but it contradicted what the article already said. In the article it says Kafr Misr was founded by the Zoabi family of Ramtha, however the municipal site says "Some have lived in the area for hundreds and even thousands of years, others came to the village from Egypt in the beginning of the 19th century when the Egyptians captured the area for a while." and "In historical maps from 1799, the village was called "Mavela" which means beauty. The Crusaders called it "Kaphar Mazre" and, due to its unique fertile area and water supply, it became an agriculture center. Ancient locations in the village show the centrality of its role over years. It is located at a valley between two major mountains in the region: Mr. Dahei and Mt. Tabor."

I don't which one to believe. Could you add the source to the Zoabi claim? --Al Ameer son (talk) 23:13, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Isle of Wight at low tide?

Just out of interest, do you have a reference that shows that the Isle of Wight is bigger than Rutland at low tide? Thanks, JRawle (Talk) 19:43, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I may watch that programme now to see what they say! JRawle (Talk) 19:54, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Football Notability

Question about Real Salt Lake player Tino Nunez. Obviously he does not have a profile as of yet, however it appears he has made 2 appearances for the club. These were in the US Open Cup, which I believe is equivalent to the FA Cup. The notability criteria (#2) states:

Have played in a competitive fixture between two "FPNL clubs" (in the FA Cup or League Cup, non-English equivalent, Continental or Intercontinental club competition).

Would this qualify? Proof of his appearances are as follows:

• RSL rolls to victory in play-in game
• RSL ousted from U.S. Open Cup

Please let me know if this is good.

Disregard, he literally just came into the MLS league match right now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GauchoDude (talk • contribs) 02:49, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

1966–68 Liga Leumit season

On 1 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article 1966–68 Liga Leumit season, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 08:34, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Israeli champion boxes

Relating to seasons 66/68, 93/94. why is it wrong/pointless? I only added it because its on any other season of any other league in europe. KradineerG (talk) 09:45, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello again, I got your answer and I agree, though its on every other league so it doesnt really matter.

Anyway, in Ligat ha'Al 2000-01 in the intro you listed the teams that got rrelegated in the same season unlike the other season pages and unlike the 'agenda' of not telling the user twice what he can see with the table. KradineerG (talk) 10:23, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

About relegation issue, if you write the teams relegated on the season then you need to write it on every season page.. same with the champion box, my thought from the beginning is that the season pages stay with the same structure.

you cant do this on 1 page and the other in another pages.

btw - thanks for all the clean ups, your doing a good job :) KradineerG (talk) 19:44, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Serie D

Only 3 years have been detailed here at wikipedia: 2005-06, 2006-07, 2007-08. Serie D goes back a lot further, but I think if we include all those seasons in the template, they will remain unreferenced. Thanks for helping me out. Juve2000 (talk) 15:55, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

thanks for the template, however, I prefer the current format to the one you used for Serie D and are pushing for in the Serie B template. Please explain why the smaller font size is better. I don't think saving a few lines on a page is a good enough reason. Juve2000 (talk) 18:23, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

If remember correctly, Serie A, B, C1 and C2 were all the same before you changed them all. Who else is using your format? Juve2000 (talk) 18:32, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Both examples you mention were templates created just one year ago, so I would not call them the standard by any means. I think you should bring up the issue on WT:FOOTY and stop reverting the editors want to change it back to the old format.Juve2000 (talk) 18:48, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Now you're just being a baby. I'm not gonna play this reverting game with you. I laugh when you change them all and then call it Standard. Bye bye.Juve2000 (talk) 18:59, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Codicote F.C. listed for deletion

Thanks for your diligent work, however I'd like to ask you to remove your deletion tag on the Codicote F.C. article. I would agree that Codicote unfortunately don't meet the notability guidelines at present, but ironically you have put that tag up in the very month that Codicote are expected to be accepted to the FA Vase for the first time in their history. I agree that's not conclusive proof, though I'll point out that even their official website ticker has the news up, and even if they are rejected, it just seems like the wrong decision to put a notice of deletion up right now when they are so close. I'd like to ask you to delay the deletion note by a month - by which time, we'll know if they are in the FA Vase or not. Falastur2 (talk) 23:21, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

No problem, glad to help out. And I'm not a member of TK, no. What's it about? Falastur2 (talk) 13:22, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Ahh, lol. Now wouldn't there have been some irony if I'd linked you to a thread you'd posted in. No, I'm not a member, an Altavista web search found that for me. I was just hoping to save the article since I hold a special place in my heart for Hertfordshire non-league sides - probably because non-league football interests me and I love Hertfordshire. I live about 5 miles away from Codicote, actually, if that, in Hitchin. But now that you say that about TK, I might drop by to read it more often. I'm not around enough to attend any games at the moment, due to being at University, and I was never into football as I am now before I left, which is the real reason I'm not actually a member of any non-league forums. Falastur2 (talk) 13:47, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Runtime Design Automation article

Please explain your reasons for your deletion. Runtime Design Automation has been in existence since 1993, and has many software customers worldwide. Abbarclay (talk) 19:39, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

CLP-1 2006-07 to Tunisian Ligue Professionnelle 1 2006-07

Please explain your reasons for your modifications and moving of the page. Please also explain your reasons for your changes to the template. Do you have any knowledge to Tunisian Soccer!!

Just for you knowledge the offcial name of the Tunisian League is : "Championnat de la ligue professionelle 1" abriviated into CLP-1 therefor th template was correct.

BYF079: "Faïcel Ben Yedder" (talk) 22:31, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Tunisian Ligue Professionnelle 1 2006-07

I moved it to match the title of the main article: Tunisian Ligue Professionnelle 1 as should be the case. If this article :title is wrong, please move it.

Also, do not mark my edits as vandalism. Doing so using Twinkle may result in your permission to use the tool being removed. :пﮟოьεԻ 57 08:05, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmm. I see you've reverted quite a few of my edits. ::This is not a readable ::article - we do not need massive copies of the club badges - the table is more than sufficient to provide the information. ::пﮟოьεԻ 57 08:09, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Also, when you want to add more than one template to an article, you can nest them, i.e.

{{fb start}}

{{Ligue Professional 1}}

{{Football in Tunisia}}

{{fb end}}

This removes the spaces between the templates and makes it look better. пﮟოьεԻ 57 08:27, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Reply

Are you Tunisian soccer fan? Do you folow Tunisian soccer? Do you know how crazy Tunisians are about soccer?

It's quite significant to have the logos in every single article. To indicate the history and the differences. so please could you net do any cleanup in Tunisian soccer related pages unless you open discussion about it please. Also I'm well awaer of the space that that leaves...and you think it looks better but it's not a fact ...since there was no survey about it. BYF079: "Faïcel Ben Yedder" (talk) 08:41, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

One quick question: Why was your page Vandalised more than 15 times??

Please Give Me a Break!

Please stop editing the Tunisian league pages as you clearly have contributed only in deleting and omitting things...almost never adding any bit of new information. Why don't make a survey and check with Tunisian wikipedians and check what do the think is proper for the league pages ...it's not a law not all the pages have to look a like, it's not the military here!

Tons of other leagues pages are not standard ...the Moroccan ones for instance...so please edit some other pages.

Please edit some other pages. Pretend that those page do not exist in wikipedia... Please do take a clear look at your pages men a lot of people are complaining about your deletions.

Yad Binyamin

Hi #57

1. Re the name,and article formatting fine 2. there are many other entries which have facilities - see for example rishon lezion, neve daniel, hashmonaim. are you saying this shouldn't be present at all or just that it shouldn't be in a section called facilities? 3. why has the community composition section been deleted, apart from incorrect information on gush katif (they don't live in a compound)? 4. why has the external links section been deleted?

Cestor (talk) 22:12, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Yad Binyamin

Hi #57

1. Re the name,and article formatting fine 2. there are many other entries which have facilities - see for example rishon lezion, neve daniel, hashmonaim. are you saying this shouldn't be present at all or just that it shouldn't be in a section called facilities? 3. why has the community composition section been deleted, apart from incorrect information on gush katif (they don't live in a compound)? 4. why has the external links section been deleted?

Cestor (talk) 22:15, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Yad Binyamin

Hi #57
1. Re the name,and article formatting fine
2. there are many other entries which have facilities - see for example rishon lezion, neve daniel, hashmonaim. are you saying this shouldn't be present at all or just that it shouldn't be in a section called facilities?
3. why has the community composition section been deleted, apart from incorrect information on gush katif (they don't live in a compound)?
4. why has the external links section been deleted?

Cestor (talk) 22:15, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi

Yitzhak Ben-Zvi is being repeatedly vandalized. can you do something about it? Pelegisrael (talk) 04:33, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Templates

The alignment agreed there was the one of the Scottish Premier League that doesn't have the blanked seasons at the start of the templates. CapPixel (talk) 12:14, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Anyway, I don't see any poll about changing the templates. You just asked in the talk page after chaning them. Can you please open one? Thanks. CapPixel (talk) 16:44, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: A few things

I have replied on the relevant talk page about the Mizrahi Worker. About the other issue, I really don't know if the affiliations still stand. I'm sure that at least some of these localities have websites, or a website for the regional council, which may clarify the official position of the kibbutz/moshav. No time to check that now, but if you give me a list of the locations, I'll look for the websites on day.

It's too bad that you haven't been on messenger, but I'll e-mail you per your advice, probably today.

Yom Tov, Ynhockey ^(Talk) 13:33, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Salon Mazal

Hi,

I've noticed that my entry on Salon Mazal was deleted.

Salon Mazal is a non profit, volunteer-based centre.

Please let me know which parts of my entry are considered to be advertising, so i can re-edit the entry.

Thanks, Doronef (talk) 16:35, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Please put the article in User:Doronef/Salon Mazal and i will work on it.

thank u, Doronef (talk) 07:18, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I re-edited the article, i added links to othe resources on the place, the most known is the jerusalem post but i could only find the article as it was published in a-infoes. all the rest is in hebrew. do you think hebrew materials are also good? so, do you see any other problems with the article right now? Tali.lerner (talk) 10:17, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Galia, Israel

Hi. The correct name is Ge'alya. Decided to go to your talk page instead of making the changes myself, to save us all the changes and reverts we had with Bnaya. In this case I am sure this is both the common and correct pronunciation. Derwig (talk) 03:43, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

• I am familiar with this moshav (and can see its houses from my window...), The Alef is not silent.

Also, the moshav's homepage is at www.gealya.co.il Derwig (talk) 13:07, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Villages in Israel

Hi. Major kudos on all those articles you've been creating lately. I've got the "Mapa concise Gazetteer of Israel" so I'm going through such articles and occasionally add a reference. Another thing: When you create such an article, could you also tag it with WPISRAEL? -- Nudve (talk) 04:10, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Speaking of MKs. I've noticed you still have Israeli government roles in your "To do" list. Are you planning on creating them? -- Nudve (talk) 17:01, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

"Yuval Elʻazari" is copy-pasted from worldcat. But sure, I'll change it. -- Nudve (talk) 11:56, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Templates

Non of those being supported in the link are the Italian football templates, people are saying something positive about the way it is on the Scottish one but not the others. Three people, me, CapPixel and Juve2000 have said "your version looks awful on the Italian league templates" and reverted it. Accept consensus. - Ordinaria (talk) 04:35, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Templates

No. You should also ask in the Italian Task Force talk page. CapPixel (talk) 14:27, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Don't take this as an approval by every people working on Italian football pages. You should propose a poll in the italian task force page and wait at least a week before changing them all again. CapPixel (talk)

OK, but I think it would be more polite to ask the opinion of the people that are working on those articles for months or even years. CapPixel (talk) 14:49, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I minor point, I would keep the dot instead of the vertical bar to separate the years. Juve2000 (talk) 14:54, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Flags

My use of flags at Darron Gibson falls within guidelines describing sporting nationality. I cannot see the problem here and nobody has offered me a satisfactory explanation as to why these flags should not be included. I see flags used thru out Wiki regularly. Djln--Djln (talk) 19:40, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

• Regarding Wolves. The clubs own website is called www.wolves.premiumtv.co.uk and it displays the word Wolves prominently. So if the club use the name why can’t it be used in Wiki. Even the Wiki article on the club states that the club is well known by this name. Djln --Djln (talk) 19:43, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Template

Hi! {{Luxembourgian elections}} should be split for the communal elections, right? —Nightstallion 12:05, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Settlemnt "Alef"

Hi. great job on Israeli villages and local councils. Please note that the name of the plan was not Alef, but rather Elef (1000). The plan was to settle 1000 families around cities and Moshavot. Derwig (talk) 16:57, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

• I think you decided well. Derwig (talk) 17:33, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Question on copyright

Hello Number 57!

Thanks for editing my article on Ohalo College. I still want to add content to it. Am I allowed to upload the logo image of the college to the 'infobox university' part? (the logo is obviously copyrighted by the college). Thanks

--Jeloox (talk) 06:20, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Mishmar David

On 12 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Mishmar David, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 12:09, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Messing with my user page

I was using a (sandbox) subdirectory of my user page to experiment with table formatting for a page on 2007 satellite launches. You deleted it. That's my work. What gives? Anthony717 (talk) 00:55, 13 June 2008 (UTC) Okay, sorry. Anthony717 (talk) 08:38, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks a lot for the barnstar! Should I insert wikilinks into the relevant articles or do you want to do that? -- Nudve (talk) 13:34, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

My username doesn't show when editing in another language

Hello Number 57

I wrote an article on Ohalo College in Hebrew (מכללת אוהלו) in the Hebrew Wikipedia and after saving it I realised I was not logged in, and when trying to log in it did not let me. Can I only log in in the English Wikipedia then? Do I need a username for each language I use? Now the history of this article doesn't show my name as the first editor and contributor.

By the way, I noticed you deleted my section Aims and Objectives from Ohalo College. Is the reason because it might have been commercial? --Jeloox (talk) 16:13, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Israeli villages names

A couple of comments:

1. Yizre'el should be moved to Yizra'el (see its homepage at www.yizrael.org.il).
2. HaMapil should be moved to HaMa'apil (same pronounciation as Ma'abarot.)

Keep up the good work! Derwig (talk) 11:42, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Wade F.C. and corresponding pages

I don't think that I fully understand why these pages were deleted. The team actually exists and everything on the page is factual. The page was going to be edited and flushed out over the next week or so.

If there is any question about the validity of the article that I have written, please reconsider. My name is Lance Werner, and I happen to be the AD there at the school.

Lance Werner (talk) 12:44, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Wade F.C. Notability

How notable does the league or team have to be? This is the biggest High School Christian Conference in Florida, and Wade is one of the teams. I have not made an official league page, but I have many fans here in Melbourne who will want to see results and information about the team posted here. As I said before, I had only just begun. History of Wade Football ("Soccer" here unfortunately) was the next addition on my agenda.

Lance Werner (talk) 19:30, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

'Daniel Wood'

Can I ask why my page was deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dubbzy (talk • contribs) 15:59, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

James Knowles has played for Blackburn so does meet the catagory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Canpop (talk • contribs) 14:18, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Israel

What do you think will happen? Early elections? Just a change of PM from Olmert to Livni? Something else entirely? I personally think it would be a terrible waste of opportunities if the apparently serious attempts at reaching a deal with Syria and Lebanon were butchered by unnecessary early elections... But then again, I don't know whether they'll result in a solution this time, or how long they'll take, anyway... —Nightstallion 14:47, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Stass Shpanin

Hi. I am just wondering to know what was wrong with this article. When yesterday I saw it, I didn't notice anything in that article which could be reason for its deletion, otherwise I would have nominated it for AfD. Gülməmməd ^Talk 04:11, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

English Football Clubs

I notice you've proded many English football clubs, with the comment "Club fails to meet generally accepted notability criteria for English football clubs, i.e. having played at Step 6 or above, or in the FA Cup or Vase.". I've been going through WP:NOTE and other pages and I can't find this criteria anywhere, please advise me where I can find it. I am concerned about removing articles about teams that are over 100 years old. Nfitz (talk) 07:25, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

• If that's the case, then there should be additions made to WP:NOTE, etc. And with most of the teams I can agree - but those that have lots of published references surely meet notability requirements for an organization. And I'd think any with a history over 100 years, and perhaps even over 60 years, would be another issue.

• In terms of players, I'm not unconvinced that a professional player playing for a professional team in Tier 5 such as Conference National shouldn't be notable. It's hard for me to buy that they show Conference National games here on TV in Canada - but that their professional players aren't notable. I'd be curious to see a breakdown between professionals and non-professionals in the league. Nfitz (talk) 15:55, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, if he was bought by Partizan, he is now a member of a top Serbian team, which is of course professional. -- Darwinek (talk) 22:13, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

OK, it will be created sooner or later when he will start playing for them. - Darwinek (talk) 22:25, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Non-notable football clubs

There is no official policy, but it has been consensus at many past AfD debates, i.e.:

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brighton Electricity F.C.
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/American Express F.C.
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matlock United F.C.
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/F.C. Deportivo Galicia
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cookham Dean F.C.
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stansfeld O&BC F.C.
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oakley United F.C. (England)
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Old Chelmsfordians F.C.
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Spelthorne Sports F.C.

There was probably a discussion about it on the WT:FOOTY page if you can trawl through the talk pages to find it. Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ 57 10:33, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

I also see you !voted keep in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tommy Smith (footballer born 1990). I would urge you to have a look through the debates of the last few articles I nominated for deletion:

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Birighitti
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chris Payne
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Nwokeji
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adam Bartlett
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ross Foley
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nicky Holland
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jordon Mutch (who has played for Premier League reserves)

before commenting on the Killian AfD. Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ 57 10:48, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Just for info, the Conference National is not a fully professional league. There are several semi-pro clubs, whose players are not full-time footballers. These include Histon, Lewes and Altrincham. пﮟოьεԻ 57 16:41, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Before you start doing this on a regular basis, please read WP:ATHLETE. The guideline states:

"Competitors who have competed in a fully professional league."

As I noted above, the Conference National is not a fully professional league. Please could you go back to all the places where you have misinterpreted this and correct your comments. Thanks, пﮟოьεԻ 57 08:02, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

It's primarily a professional league. Most of the teams are fully professional. Nfitz (talk) 14:23, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

"Most" doesn't count. It has to be "fully". пﮟოьεԻ 57 14:35, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure I agree - this certainly hasn't been consistently applied elsewhere. Look at Stirling Albion for example. Even thought the Scottish Second Division isn't a fully professional league, every player on the team has a page, even though many haven't played at a higher level. Though I'd certainly think that Conference National was playing a higher level of football than Scottish Second Division. Nfitz (talk) 14:44, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

You are forgetting that Stirling Albion spent last season in the Scottish First Division, which is generally accepted to be a fully professional league. Hence any player that played for them last season has played in a fully pro league. пﮟოьεԻ 57 14:46, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

That's what I get for randomly picking a Scottish Second Division team ... you certainly have me there. I just have a hard time buying that a league comprised almost entirely of professionals, with international TV contracts, doesn't meet the fully professional criteria. Nfitz (talk) 14:55, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Anyway, as you obviously don't believe that I am representing the policy correctly, please bring it up on WT:FOOTY as I can't be bothered to argue the point anymore. Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ 57 14:49, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

It's not obvious to me that ... not sure how it's obvious to you. You seem to be entirely correct and consistent in interpreting the policy. I'm concerned that we are loosing the big picture, focusing on detailed rules, rather than the intent of them. I'm just noticing there was a recent debate on Conference National at WT:FOOTY#Are English Conference National players considered notable? that I should review. Nfitz (talk) 15:00, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Hang on - the discussion at WT:FOOTY seems to conclude that professional Conference National players on all-professional teams are notable as per WP:FOOTYN. Nfitz (talk) 15:05, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

WP:FOOTYN was developed by WP:FOOTY but was not accepted by the wider community, so at the moment is meaningless. Plus the Conference is not "almost entirely" professional. Only slightly more than half the teams are fully pro. Altrincham, Barrow, Burton, Crawley, Forest Green, Histon, Lewes, Kettering, Northwich and Salisbury (10 out of 24) are all semi-pro. пﮟოьεԻ 57 15:19, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I hadn't realised it was that high. Though the WP:FOOTYN definition seems to hold despite that. Has there been a "wider community" discussion of this somewhere? People seem to cite it in AFD discussions, and dismiss it there. Nfitz (talk) 15:43, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

David Mateos

Ypu want to delete his entry because he hasn't played in a professional league. But I was under the impression that the Segunda División is a professional league. RM Castilla played in the Segunda in 2006-07 before being relegated. Mateos was playing for them that year. Raul17 (talk) 23:48, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Prods

Thank you for your message. I would ask you to bear with me until tomorrow when I will be able to reply to your message fully. ♦Tangerines♦·Talk 01:41, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Apologies for not getting back to you yesterday. I did edit on wikipedia but got sidetracked. Anyway this may get lengthy and messy so please bear with me. I fully realise that there have been AfD's previously for clubs. However, I do not believe that the "cut off point" used to determine whether a club (in England specifically) is notable or not is correct. Apart from which as you say it is not policy. For inclusion on wikipedia articles need to be about a notable subject regardless of what level they happen to play football. As another editor mentioned at least one of the clubs (and I am only talking about West Lancashire League [WLL] clubs here) is well referenced and is an article about a club that has been in existence for well over a hundred years. In fact many of the clubs are well over 100 years old. Attendances at a number of WLL games are comparable to leagues higher than the WLL, as are many of their facilities. One such example being Charnock Richard F.C. which you prodded. Yet it contains well sourced material, and is certainly in my opinion, a positive addition to wikipedia. Their record crowd (at the Reebok stadium for a Cup Final) is 1,826. They are working on ground development that will eventually bring it up to Northern Premier Leagus standard. Most WLL clubs represent a town, village, area. In my opinion wikipedia should be including information that would be useful in an encyclopaedia which I also then maintain that articles about those clubs is. Their inclusion certainly does no harm to wikipedia, rather the opposite as a number of the articles you "prodded" are well sourced, well written with infoboxes, images, full information. I should point out that I didn't create any of the articles so I am not defending their inclusion as the article creator, just that I think the "generally accepted" cut off point for clubs is in this particular case wrong. I have worked on quite a few of the articles though. We have at least one Sunday League club with an article on wikipedia which was created by a member of the footy project, simply because it has had a handful of players who went on to become professional footballers. I think John Terry is one of them but I haven't looked so apologies if I'm wrong. My point being that if exceptions can be made for a Sunday League team then there is clearly some ambiguity over what is and what is not notable with regard to English football clubs. I did say this may get lengthy and messy and I have probably forgotten some of what I had intended to include, but hope you at least can see my point about all this. Thank you♦Tangerines♦·Talk 17:26, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Aye I thought you would put them forward for AfD and I wasn't trying to persuade you to do otherwise, just giving my opinion as you did ask for a reply. I think you are wrong and will be putting forward my vote and reasons, as will you of course. Especially so in the case of articles which are well written, fully sourced, and perfectly notable that do not fail notability requirements and the only reason for proposing them is not even based on any wikipedia policy, rather something that is vaguely "generally accepted". Just to add, I notice that you only included a selection of clubs, and did not inlcude Charnock Richard F.C., Could you please explain why?♦Tangerines♦·Talk 19:40, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

With regard to this comment, "could probably write an article on a Sunday league team and reference it to my local paper" with respect writing an article about a Sunday League team is not even remotely relevant. None of the clubs are "sunday league teams". I very much doubt that the outcome will be anything other than delete, I am though entitled to vote and my opinion, and comments about "Sunday League teams" are totally irrlevant. Charnock Richard are developing their ground so that it eventually meets Northern Premier League requirements. West Lancashire League clubs are promted to the North West Counties League if they meet the requirements. Hardly releveant to compare them to a Sunday League team. And as I already said, there is at least one article about a Sunday lague team on wikipedia.♦Tangerines♦·Talk 19:55, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your message. Canvassing on wikipedia is not simply asking someone who was involved in a discussion to look at the AfD, when they otherwise probably wouldn't see it. My message was deliberately neutral. And I would be grateful if you would not leave me any further messages on this matter. Thank you. ♦Tangerines♦·Talk 15:26, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for Tommy Smith (footballer born 1990)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Tommy Smith (footballer born 1990). Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Nfitz (talk) 06:29, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Kettering Town

Firstly, there were already some "Current" players in the "Notable former playres" list, and some of the players in there did not deserve it, and as a kettering fan, i know who should be in there.

Secondly, "Famous Fans" IMO is a good little piece of info, and deserves to be there, as when i seen it, i thought it was very interesting.

Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ktfcsmithy (talk • contribs) 12:25, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Tristam Whitman

Please do, just awful timing that it was made in the first place. Thanks, Mattythewhite (talk) 19:31, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Kfar Haroah

Are you sure it's not Kfar Haroeh (or Haro'e)? -- Nudve (talk) 12:07, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Hebrew for Nablus

I was wondering if you could provide the Hebrew name for Nablus at the article page. Is it Shechem? Because I thought that was Tell Balata, 2 km away? Also is the Hebrew even necessary? --

Oops! Then I'll reinstate it. As for the towns and cities, yes I know and I want to thank you for moving them, but User:Ashley kennedy3 a new user (and God bless her for her several contributions) is unfamiliar with that and has moved articles to XXX (Nablus) or XXX (Salfit). Maybe you could briefly explain to her the MoS guideline. Afterwards, we'll move the articles back. Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 15:23, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Is there an MoS guideline on town naming? --Al Ameer son (talk) 20:10, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I'd say no comma, no brackets.Who types a comma?....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 20:29, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Just finishing Jenin... When I started they followed 3 separate patterns...I was standardising...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 21:06, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for Jason Naidovski

I have asked for a deletion review of Jason Naidovski. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Sorry if I appear to be a bit of a thorn in your side lately; nothing personal, and I think your doing a great job here, despite the way I expect my actions appear. Nfitz (talk) 03:17, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

• Hi! Re this edit, I don't think it's entirely fair to describe the Tommy Smith deletion review as "an incredibly poor choice". While that DRV rejected WP:FOOTYN's more inclusive standards than WP:ATHLETE, Smith did meet that standard, and I think, as a speedily deleted article which met the inclusion standards of a major Wikiproject, deserved a wider hearing. --Stormie (talk) 21:30, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Ah, fair enough, I didn't realise that that issue had been raised with him prior to the DRV. My apologies! --Stormie (talk) 21:38, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Canvassing (not)

:Regarding the note, it's sailing pretty close to the wind of WP:CANVAS, so I wouldn't advise doing so again. пﮟოьεԻ 57 21:54, 24 June 2008 (UTC) 

Uh, hang on. You prodded a bunch of clubs in the same league. I'd removed (at least) one prod. He removed others. You put some to AFD that he removed the prods, but not the one(s) I removed. He notified me in a neutral manner as a courtesy. I'd say that his notification was not canvassing - and probably something you should have notified me of ... though I can understand that one might not because of time constraints of notifying many people. I'm sure I'd have joined the discussion at some point though, as I was still monitoring. Nfitz (talk) 03:23, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

DRVs

You are clearly acting in bad faith. Your decision to take the Tommy Smith article to DRV was utterly ridiculous, and the result there only serves to prove that. Just accept that a lot of football related articles are not notable. We don't want to fill the encyclopedia with crap. пﮟოьεԻ 57 08:07, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

• That remark is competely and totally uncalled for, it is a personal attack, a violation of WP:NPA. I don't see how you think this is bad faith and "utterly ridiculous" given he actually passes the criteria agreed to in WP:FOOTYN and the other two procedural points I raised have been upheld. I'd like an apology here. Nfitz (talk) 14:50, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of International Gemological Institute

Hey, I was just wondering as to why the entry on the International Gemological Institute was deleted or specific evidence as to why it was declaired blatant advirtising, so I may delete or change it. I would also like to know what I can do to improve this entry this entry in general so that it would not be deleted again. Thank you. Mms523 (talk) 18:46, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Editing of IGI's entry

Thank you, I'll try my best not to make it seem like a brochure, just give me some time to research the subject some more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mms523 (talk • contribs) 19:17, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

village to WB

Curious why you've taken the liberty of moving a NPOV names to a POV ones. Nili (village), Matityahu (moshav) as well as dozens of other villages that, in contrast, are given dubious names. --Shuki (talk) 21:51, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

No Personal Attacks

No, it is not a personal attack, it just plain speaking. You are quite clearly out to disrupt the encyclopedia by deliberately messing around people you disagree with. Starting DRVs or questioning admins on every closure you disagree with is pretty bad form. The WP:FOOTYN thing has been explained to you several times - it is not regarded as a guideline or policy. Please give up trying to prove a point, and wasting our time with AfDs or DRVs on players/clubs which are clearly not notable according to our policies or past consensus, and do something useful like starting new articles on notable subjects or expanding existing ones. пﮟოьεԻ 57 18:40, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

That's another personal attack. Please stop. Of course I'm not out to disrupt the encylopedia to mess around people that I disagree with. What a completely hurtful and hateful thing to say. As I've already pointed out, I agree with you on most of the AFDs, etc. I'm not sure why your out to pick fights with anyone who disagrees with you, but it is most inappropriate behaviour, particularly from an Admin. You should know better. Please stop, and apologise. Thanks, Nfitz (talk) 22:24, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but there will be no apology - I haven't call you a moron, I've just pointed out that your behaviour is unhelpful. Since the Kilian Elkinson thing started you have made 72 edits, all but 5 of which were related to football articles or AfDs which clearly failed our policies. However, in every case you have attempted to keep them through removing prods, !voting and taking them to DRV. As for saying you agree with me on stuff, why have you opposed all of the three AfDs I created which you voted on. пﮟოьεԻ 57 22:32, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Well perhaps we can at least come to some kind of truce. I've made it quite clear that there is nothing personal here. After seeing the Kilian Elkinson thing, I did go through all the recent football-related AfDs and Prods, and found a few things that I disagreed with, and spoke out. I certainly don't think all the AFDs I commented on were yours - I wasn't really looking at who did them. I certainly supported a couple of the more recent AFDs - perhaps they were also not your, but I thought I saw your name on the discussion - but I wasn't really paying attention as the names aren't important. I saw quite a few I agreed with, that I didn't bother to comment on (or bulk ones, where there's only 1 or 2 I objected to) - as there was clearly no support for keeping, and little point commenting further. I've seen a few of your prods, and as far as I know, I only removed one! I'm finding WP:FOOTY confusing as it directly references notability as being on WP:FOOTYN with no indication that is is only draft. I've only appealed two deletions, and I've already conceded on the second after new evidence came to light (though some procedural stuff is still being discussed, which of course were not important enough to raise if they were the only issues). My edit count in a 5-day period is normally only 3 or 4 articles. I simply felt I had to look at the Football AFDs as it would be irresponsible of me to only look at the single one that I had first come across. Nfitz (talk) 22:46, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Gemological Institute of America

Hey, I just wanted to know what's the difference between IGI's entry and GIA's entries and should I basicly make the entry like a research paper...answering questions like "what is the significance of IGI?" What does IGI do? Who founded IGI, why how? etc.?

So sorry if I'm such a bother, I hope you'll have the time to respond and help me out with this. Thank you. Mms523 (talk) 13:38, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

RE:Quick question

Hi. Most of the clubs in the Danish 1st Division are either fully professional or semi-pro. There might be a single (or three?) amateur clubs. kalaha 18:57, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't know about they are really "semi-pro", as they have permit to sign contracts, but not all players in the first team squad are. Further some might only play on part-time, but 1st Div is not my "expert knowledge". kalaha 20:39, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Uri Brener

Hi Number 57. Since I was the one to phrase the original text on Brener's site, I don't think it's a copyright infringement to re-phrase my own words. Brener is one of the most important Israeli composers and he is worthy of an article... Best, Code Remover (talk) 04:14, 30 June 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Code Remover (talk • contribs) 04:11, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Uri Brener

Hi Number 57. Thanks for your answer. I think I have re-phrased the article and tried to keep it as objective as can be. Since I won't go through the trouble again, and since I do believe this is a good addition to wikipedia, I ask you to reconsider the deletion, and if you find it is ok - to restore the article. Best Code Remover (talk) 15:40, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Lilith: Operation Genesis

Hello. I'd like to ask for clarification regarding the deletion of the article: Lilith: Operation Genesis. Thnank you in advance :) --Moonshadow Rogue (talk) 15:50, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Uri Brener

Hi, I've uploaded the text only on User:Code Remover/Uri Brener If you give it ok, I'll re-design the article with external links, musician box, etc. Best, Code Remover (talk) 20:36, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi, beneath the old text I put another option. I cannot really play with it more, since the facts stay the same... Which one is better? Best, Code Remover (talk) 08:19, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

SarekOfVulcan RFA

Thank you for !voting on my RfA. If you supported, I'll make sure your confidence is not misplaced; if you opposed, I'll take your criticism into account and try to adjust my behavior accordingly.

See you around the wiki!--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 01:00, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

(RE:) Deletion of Lilith: Operation Genesis

Thank you for your prompt and clear response to my query. I respect your action and apologize for the unintentional breach of wikipedia rules. --Moonshadow Rogue (talk) 04:54, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nikola Saric

Please don't try and bully people into changing their views to fit your own narrow views of the world. Reading through you appear to be very much in the minority, I will not be revisiting my comments. Come on the Mothers (talk) 10:42, 1 July 2008 (UTC)