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Speaks with an English pronunciation?

Stewie's pronunciation is currently listed as English English. Is this correct? I wouldn't know English English from British English myself.

Usually when an american actor does an English accent, one can find online 'Enry 'Igginses who critique the performance in meticulous (and disparaging) terms, often with claims of ability to geolocate English speech within a few city blocks. Do we have any of this for Stewie? With sources please? / edgarde 09:45, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Stewie speaks with an upperclass english english accent.

Yea stewies accent is upper calss Eniglish Enigish Stewiechewie 15:46, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

It is a Upper class Boston or New England Brahmin accent —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.78.112.4 (talk) 03:34, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

for examples of Boston Brahim follow these links, I hope this is helpful and enlightens all to what his accent is

http://www.gazzaro.it/accents/sound/Boston(UClass2).mp3

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6IbJcIceh44 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chef Fincher (talk • contribs) 04:54, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Stewie's accent is "upper-class British English"

Surely Stewie's accent is "upper-class British-English accent". not > "Upper Class English accent". I think my correction is what the original author intended. Gregpalmerx 21:38, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

There's no such thing as a "British English accent". The Scots and the Welsh sound nothing like the English.

But, for the record, Stewie's accent is not really an English accent at all. It certainly sounds like it sometimes but at other times it sounds like a strangely refined American accent, maybe like an upper-class Bostonian. (I'm not sure how exactly to describe it, I'm not familiar enough with New England accents.) I think it probably is meant to be an English accent, but I think faux-English is the best description, because it so often seems to break down. Nick 00:52, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I thought it was a Mid-Atlantic accent. Trolleytimes 03:55, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Wouldn't Talk:Stewie Griffin be better place to discuss this? After all, this can only help that article. TheBlazikenMaster 20:03, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. There even exists a section beginning this discussion. / edg ☺ ☭ 20:10, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

if he's supposed to have an english accent why does he pronouce words like american english e.g he says aluminum instead of aluminium —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.121.151.142 (talk) 10:46, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

That's exactly what I notice about it, that it can't be a real English accent with so many American pronunciations. My guess is that it's meant to be upper-class English, but Seth MacFarlane just doesn't do a perfect rendition (he's only human). This would explain why no Henry Higginses can pin it down. That's why I suggested "faux-English" before. Google brought up a better phrase: my new suggestion is "speaks with an affected upper-class English accent." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nick81 (talk • contribs) 22:21, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

your right, its not an U.K. English accent. Its upper class Boston or New England Brahim. much like Winchester on MASH. Its sounds similar to U.K. English to American ears, but of course has distinct american characteristics that any Englishman would notice —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.78.112.4 (talk) 04:06, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

for examples of Boston Brahmin follow these links, I hope this is helpful and enlightens all to what his accent is

http://www.gazzaro.it/accents/sound/Boston(UClass2).mp3

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6IbJcIceh44 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.78.112.4 (talk) 04:18, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

We could use sources for this, since our guesswork is original research which is likely to be challenged, and we don't know the creator's intent. It is possible for instance that Boston Brahim is what comes out when MacFarlane tries to do "upper class British". / edg ☺ ☭ 05:19, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

very true, but if I intend to do an english accent, yet a southern accent comes out, is it not a southern accent despite intent? The arguement is what accent does he have, not what accent Seth intended, Besides, since Stewie lives in New England it certainly makes more sense for him to have a New England Brahmin accent than one from across the pond. Its also noteworthy that he has an overbearing sense of superiority and right, which is more common amoung the upper class brahmins than typical English folk. But despite my arguments your position still remains true, a concrete source is necessary. But I remain steadfast that it be labled Boston Brahmin, since thats what it sounds like. Stewies accent doesn't sound very British, but its almost perfect Brahmin —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chef Fincher (talk • contribs) 05:34, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

It definately sounds more Brahim than British to me. And doesn't anybody remember One If by Clam, Two If by Sea, where Stewie disparaged Eliza's accent and tried to teach her to speak properly? Why would Stewie mock his own accent? xp

K00bine (talk) 15:35, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

So we all agree that it's not a good rendition of an upper-class English accent. Either MacFarlane is aiming for a Boston Brahmin accent and getting it right, or he's aiming for the upper-class English accent and accidentally speaking with Boston Brahmin accent. Chef Fincher is right, we can't know what he was aiming for but we do know what he achieved. It also sounds a bit like "Mid-atlantic" but that would be inappropriate as Stewie has no known connection to the UK. I think we all agree, so I'm going to change it to:

Stewie speaks with a Boston Brahmin accent and the vocabulary of an adult, which is exaggerated for comic effect

Nick (talk) 17:20, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

PS K00bine, Eliza speaks with a Cockney accent, therefore anyone who's not a Cockney could mock it.

I'm sorry - listening to the examples given, stewie's accent is not Brahmin... in my opinion it is clearly upper-middle class english english. Its near perfect, although any performance is bound to have the occassional flaw. It is certainly not upper class english; for that you need only watch the episode where they go to britain for the rendition of the upper class accent which is considerably more absurd!

There is, in relation to the above comment about there being no known connection to the UK, I agree no rational explanation for such an accent, however there is no logical explanation for a talking dog either.

Either way, a source somewhere would help any definition of the accent, so I will go out into the WWW and have a look.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Toomanynotes (talk • contribs) 19:43, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't hear in Stewie what is described in the article Boston Brahmin accent. Since Stewie is being serially added and removed from that article (without sources), it doesn't help settle this discussion. I would add that since MacFarlane intended Stewie to be like a Bond villain and Rex Harrison, some kind of english seems the likely intent. / edg ☺ ☭ 01:48, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

New point: In the episode "Peterotica", there is a short aside in which the characters are portrayed as cheaply made versions of themselves (the drawing is jagged and all the voices are done in a cheap/exaggerated fashion). Stewies accent changes to an umistakeable cockney English accent. I think the inference from them is clear that his 'normal' (non-cheap) accent is meant to be upper-middle class English. His accent is certainly not "upper-class" English however (that would be more along the lines of the way the Royal Family speak; which is significantly more affected). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.9.71.246 (talk) 18:51, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

I can't help but state honestly here that in my opinion, Stewie's accent is definitely NOT fully English, upper-class or otherwise. I am English, and if someone were to come along with an accent like his, it would stand out as being somehow out of place. His pronunciation is similar to received-pronunciation English at times, but the overall sound of his speech simply cannot be called 'English'- it's more similar to the synthesis of American and English used by, for example, Frasier Crane, in my opinion, albeit slightly different- this article seems to detail it all well enough: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Atlantic_English (despite probably having some areas of conflict with Stewie's accent) See the following link for received pronunciation English accents for comparison if you like: http://web.ku.edu/idea/special/RP/pmeier.mp3 http://web.ku.edu/idea/europe/england/england65.mp3 I hope this is of some use. Ashiyura (talk) 01:25, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

It's definately not an English accent and rather than finding out what it IS why isn't it just removed as we have no reference to what sort of accent it's meant to be so why make any claims with regards to it at all? It is after all just a cartoon character voice and cartoons are not meant to be accurate representations of real life - it's meant to be a voice that sounds amusing. Muleattack (talk) 11:45, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Definitely does not sound like Principal Feeney on Boy Meets World (Boston Brahmin). If you look at word choice (e.g. "constable", "box-social", "shopkeep", "gourd-bellied codpiece", "what the devil", "what the deuce"), it's obvious it's supposed to be a parody of a stodgy upper-class British accent, the joke being it the least probable accent you could expect in an American infant surrounded by Rhode Islanders--Loodog (talk) 18:18, 23 June 2008 (UTC).

The user who stated that the accent is Boston Brahmin is correct. Seth has stated this on many occasions. The fact that most pronunciations are American, and not British, should make it obvious to anyone with a brain. If you listen closely, his accent is almost identical to the Crane Brothers' accent (who were both educated at Harvard). Stewie also pronounces words like "wheel" as "Hweel", putting the H before the W, just like the Boston Brahmins do. I know many British people, and none of them speak anything like Stewie. The major problem is that most of the attainable biographies of Stewie are written by uneducated douchbag journalists who don't even know what ANY upper-class American accent sounds like. Just because another website says that he has a british accent, doesn't mean that website is a reliable source. Besides, why would he speak with a British accent? He lives in Rhode Island, which is in the New England area. His accent is appropriate for upper-class people in that area.

Shawn Crapo (talk) 17:18, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

• In tonight's episode, Road to Germany, Stewie specifically mentions that he has "an English accent". Just throwin that out there. Dp76764 (talk) 02:10, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Wizard magazine citation

Could someone who has a copy of Wizard magazine #177 please fill in the correct title for that citation? Would help to also have author and other details per {{cite journal}}.

I'm not sure "95th greatest villain of all time" in a mag dedicated to mostly-american cartoons is that notable, but for now just having the citation correct is enough for me. / edg ☺ ★ 01:13, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

A one year old baby being the 95th greatest villain of all time is a pretty fucking big achivment i feel —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.148.102.130 (talk) 23:57, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps for a real baby it would be. / edg ☺ ☭ 01:27, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Spelling of his name

As an adult he's named Stu, as a baby, it's Stewie... are we positive his name is Stewart, not Stuart? Arthurian Legend 21:03, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I always thought his name was spelled "Stuart" Stewiechewie 15:47, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

nope, it is 100% stewie. in the episode Arthurian legend is refering too, he does all he can to distance himself from stewie. lokk up his bio on http://www.familyguy.com/ --Gen. S.T. Shrink *^{Get to the bunker}* 00:06, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I like to watch the with the captions on, to get the quotes right, and in an really early episode that mentioned his full-first name, I think that is was spelled "Stuart". I'm not sure if that was a captions mistake (because I've seen a few of them) or that was the original spelling of his name, I don't know. --BrianGriffin-FG 18:26, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Wait, I think that it was in the TBS version of "Stu & Stewie's Exelent Advevture" that I caught it. --BrianGriffin-FG

I think that on the back of the dvd box for "Stu & Stewie's Exelent Advevture" his name is spelt Stuart. I may be wrong but l think that it is. Ssm777 (talk) 23:15, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

STEWIE GRIFFIN IS DEFINITELY AND OFFICIALLY GAY

Seth MacFarlane has officially outed Stewie. Here's an article: [1]. Sorry if you think I'm being rude with all the capital letters. I just wanted you to notice this. Maybe we could change "Ambiguous sexuallity" to "Homosexuality," but still mention all of his relationships with girls despite his orientation? It's just a thought. Immblueversion (talk) 19:28, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah the allcaps detract from the statement's credibility considerably.

My opinion: MacFarlane isn't defining a rule so much as stating an uncertain but likely outcome. I'd say stay with Ambiguous until Stewie has a (broadcast) coming out episode. And even then, that won't negate 5-6 seasons of "ambiguity". It'll just be "in season x Stewie declared himself homosexual and in subsequent storylines has been consistently gay, despite being decidedly pre-adolescent".

If someone can talk the Family Guy producers into giving us a free use graphic of Stewie with a rainbow flag or something, I'll change my tune, a little. / edg ☺ ☭ 01:36, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Removed this section as it was repeated twice in the same section of the article. Feel free to revert if I did this incorrectly.

Stewie has cross-dressed in several episodes.[14][15] Stewie is shown reacting with spontaneous enthusiasm to brief homosexual encounters in several episodes, and in "Chick Cancer" he wishes men could "get together with their buddies, and just have it be the same thing as being with a woman". A few episodes depict Stewie imagining vaguely homoerotic adventures with his teddy bear, Rupert.[16] Stewie has also cross-dressed in several episodes.[17][18] In several situations Stewie is implied to have a crush on Brian,[19] and tries to trick Brian into having sex with him.[20]

Mulcibersforge (talk) 18:25, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for catching this. I suggest including an edit summary so other editors will understand the reason for the deletion. / edg ☺ ☭ 21:35, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Creator intent counts for nought?~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 23:09, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

If you're talking about Stewie being gay, sources say this intent did not exist in the first season, and in season 4 the gay arc was abandoned, the intent then making Stewie deliberately ambiguous and perhaps polymorphously perverse (e.g. "I smell a dirty diaper!", the flagpole, the sadomasochism episode). What I infer from the The Advocate quote is in season 6 they've done so many gay gags that it now makes sense that Stewie is gay and doesn't realize it. If you have a source for "creator intent", please add it; we need more real-world information. / edg ☺ ☭ 23:50, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I know that the instinct to catagorize him as gay is strong, but you must fight it. I believe in the interview, Seth Mac did say that the writers pretty much write him as a gay character, but they also like to give him straight characteristics and love intrestsevery once and a while (Olivia, LaDawn, Jannet, the "do her" gag at Mr Weed's furneral). Keep him as "ambigous" (sorry about the spelling) untill he comes out on the show, okay. Or wait untill the show ends if he doesn't. That sound good? --BrianGriffin-FG (talk) 20:05, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

He said nothing about love interests; his exact words were "[Stewie] originally began as this diabolical villain, but then we delved into the idea of his confused sexuality. We all feel that Stewie is almost certainly gay, and he’s in the process of figuring it out for himself. We haven’t ever really locked into it because we get a lot of good jokes from both sides, but we treat him oftentimes as if we were writing a gay character."

At the very least he's bi, so the LGBT category still fits. --DrBat (talk) 22:14, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Just because Stewie DID like women, doesn't nessicarilly mean he he isnt gay. Maybe he thought he liked women. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.214.200.168 (talk) 09:10, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Im going to add the part in Love Blactually when Stewie sucks on Brian's spit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.224.25.252 (talk) 12:35, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

He's still a baby, at least in many ways. Cromulent Kwyjibo (talk) 21:31, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Religion

I got a message when I added Catholic upbringing to the indeterminate next to Stewie's religion saying don't add controversial uncited material, but considering the Griffin family is Catholic, as protrayed since the first episode when Peter takes Communion when Lois says bad things happen when he drinks, wouldn't Stewie by that fact have a Catholic upbringing? I mean he is a baby, so it's possible that the Griffins could convert and raise him something else, but as of now he definately has a Catholic upbringing

This would support that the Griffin family is considered Catholic but we can't infer he was brought up Catholic. Banjeboi 18:47, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Pentacostal and non-denominational churches also practice ritual cannibalism (oops, I mean Communion). He could be any number of denominations.

Shawn Crapo (talk) 17:25, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Fluctuatation of Stewie's Understanding of things and his sexuality

I think it should be noted that Stweies understanding on the subject and use of objects and/or serv ices, sex, sex terms, sexuality, and most adult issues varies from episode to episode.

Though he has had Toliet Training, he s seen in another episode as being afraid to use it. However in another episode he tells louis he flushed a daiper.

He also has acted unaware of what the term Gay means, but he has said "There's always been a lot of tension between Lois and me, and it's not so much that I want to kill her, it's just I want her not to be alive anymore. Ah, I sometimes wonder if all women are this difficult, and then I think to myself: My God, wouldn't it be marvelous if I turned out to be a homosexual?" in the episode "fithteen minutes of shame."

Also in the episode "Peteroica" he is practicing olypic style gymnatistc and he says that its note gay, which would indicate his understanding of the term and how it can be used. But at the end of the episode "Chick Cancer" which takes place after "Peteroica" he learns the meaning of gay from Brian.

In the episode Road to "Road to Rhode Island" he is shown to be unable to use a phone to call home, but in "Mother Tucker" Stweies is able to call brian at the radio sation multiple times ot taunt him. This would indicate he was intelegent enough to find the number, where he was perviosuly unable to. He is also able to use a cell phone in the episode "A Fish out of Water"

And in many episodes he knows what sex ism and yet he doesn't. In the episode "You May Now Kiss the...Uh...Guy Who Receives" He heard Brian's cousin and his life partner/future husband having sex, but when he was married to Oliva in "Chick Cancer" he acts like not having sex is getting to him, but when asked if he even knows what it is he says somethign about cake.

There are a lot of other things but i can't think of them now.Yami (talk) 03:52, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Category

Should Stewie's article be placed in something like Category:Fictional LGBT characters or Category:Fictional gay men? I think there have been enough hints in the series that we know Stewie is either gay or bi, and MacFarlane has said that "Stewie is almost certainly gay" and "we treat him oftentimes as if we were writing a gay character."

At the very least, we know he isn't straight, so one of the two categories should apply to his article.--DrBat (talk) 03:23, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

He is 1, and not gay!! Until he actually comes out on the show, he is straight! This is what we go through with Waylon Smithers on The Simpsons. Yes, everyone knows he is gay, but until it comes out in an episode, he is straight! Ctjf83Talk 04:33, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Category:Fictional gay men does not work because Stewie is not a man. I'd be okay with Category:Fictional LGBT characters. / edg ☺ ☭ 04:54, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

What part of he is not gay or bi do you guys not understand?! Show me in the article where Seth says "he is gay", he says almost certainly, but not 100%. Until he actually comes out in the show, he is not gay or bi Ctjf83Talk 05:02, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Why are you getting so bent out of shape over this?

There have been more than enough signs to show that he's not straight. Anything else is denial. --DrBat (talk) 13:35, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm hardly getting bent out of shape, I don't like inaccuracies in any article. You're taking bits and pieces of what MacFarlene said and twisting them into a lie that Stewie is gay. Ctjf83Talk 17:02, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Are you serious? If you think Stewie is straight, you're in denial. --DrBat (talk) 20:12, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

LMFAO, please, if I'm not in denial about myself in real life, why would I be about a cartoon character?! Ctjf83Talk 20:14, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't know; the creator says he's gay, he's written as being gay, and for some reason you think he's straight. --DrBat (talk) 20:15, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

MacFarlene never said he is gay until you get that into your head, this convo is going to go back and forth and be useless!!! Ctjf83Talk 20:16, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

No, MacFarlane only said that "Stewie is almost certainly gay" and "we treat him oftentimes as if we were writing a gay character."

If someone is "almost certainly gay," chances are they're more likely going to be gay than straight. --DrBat (talk) 20:19, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

But until it's 100%, he is straight, I don't know why you are having a problem with waiting till he is 100% gay before putting it in. oftentimes as if, often doesn't mean every time. almost certainly, doesn't mean he is. You are just adding assumptions in. Why are you having a problem waiting until he comes out as gay in the show??? Ctjf83Talk 20:26, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Listen, I'm sorry that this has gotten heated/personal, but I don't like being accused of "[putting] lies and inaccuracies into the article." See Wikipedia:Assume good faith. I think we should both try being more civil.

I don't think Stewie needs to say he's gay; there's been more than enough signs that at the very least he's bi. He has romantic fantasies about Rupert, who's a masculine man in his fantasies, he's shown attraction to other men (ie, Brian and Dylan), ect ect. It's not like it's a case of a character just being effeminate and people assuming he's gay, or whatever. --DrBat (talk) 13:40, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't think bad faith accusations are helpful here—there is a legitimate difference of opinion, and both parties are acting in good faith. Let's keep it WP:CIVIL and try to frame the discussion in terms of what Wikipedia policy dictates, rather than debating interpretations of what we've seen on the show.

I have asked for feedback from Category talk:Fictional LGBT characters and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies. We might also ask WP:3O. None of this is particularly urgent. / edg ☺ ☭ 15:10, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I just want to know why DrBat is wanting to put he is gay or bi without a 100% confirmation in the show of Stewie actually saying it? Ctjf83Talk 17:12, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Fictional gay men certainly seems inaccurate. As for fictional LGBT characters, it does not appear certain that he is G or B (and I've seen nothing to indicate that T would be relevant), but maybe we should think about an expanded version of the acronym, LGBTQQ, where the Q's can be queer and questioning. From the section above this one, it seems like he at least would fit as questioning. Should that qualify the article for the LGBT cat though (which does not have the QQ listed, but perhaps should)? Also, let me point out the obvious, and state that this is not a BLP. Aleta ^Sing 17:18, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

This isn't a WP:BLP. Is "100% confirmation" the standard for fictional characters? I really don't know.

It usually irks me when confused types start "gay" tagging for lame reasons, and I would generally prefer to be cautious about this categorization, especially when not explicit. (Not to mention any situational categorization for FG characters.) However, with Stewie I can see a case for LGBT, and I think with the The Advocate article we have a reasonable third-party source on Stewie's sexuality being identified in critical sources independent from the show, and notable in the real world. I think for several reasons Stewie cannot be categorized as a "gay" "man" (he's probably neither, definitions depending), but I think Category:Fictional LGBT characters makes sense, and as compromises go is a workable middle ground. / edg ☺ ☭ 17:34, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I just don't like to put anything in, unless it is 100%. Nowhere does MacFarlene specifically come out and stay Stewie is gay. This is the same problem we have with Waylon Smithers on The Simpsons. We all know he is gay, even more so than Stewie, but we don't list it, until he comes out on the show. Explain to me what the rush is to put it in, instead of waiting for the show to tell us?? I still haven't gotten that answer! Ctjf83Talk 17:45, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't think the threshold of an official pronouncement exists in this case. Stewie is a fictional character, and if MacFarlane while wearing his pope's hat stated Stewie is gay and retroactively always has been this would not meaningfully change the early episodes where no one writing this character considered him gay or gave him such material. Were this a BLP, then yes this threshold would exist. As for what "the rush is", I assure you I don't care if it ever goes in. / edg ☺ ☭ 18:05, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Why do you keep on using exclamation marks, like you're yelling? --DrBat (talk) 18:59, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Because I feel like a broken record, do you have an answer yet, DrBat? Ctjf83Talk 19:19, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I've already given my answer above. I'm not going to repeat myself again.

And screaming in almost of all your posts doesn't help with anything. Things probably wouldn't have gotten so heated if you had just kept your tone in a calm and respectful manner. --DrBat (talk) 19:31, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

All I see is MacFarlene this and MacFarlene that, I don't see why you won't wait till he comes out on the show Ctjf83Talk 19:37, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Fine, I'll just repost what I said above. I don't think Stewie needs to say he's gay; there's been more than enough signs that at the very least he's bi. He has romantic fantasies about Rupert, who's a masculine man in his fantasies, he's shown attraction to other men (ie, Brian and Dylan), ect ect. It's not like it's a case of a character just being effeminate and people assuming he's gay, or whatever. --DrBat (talk) 19:44, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

(ec) It appears that the show has made him deliberately ambiguous with regards to his sexuality, and this very ambiguity is notable. The question is can we categorize him in the Fictional LGBT category based upon this. I think it is appropriate: his sexuality is an issue. If this were a BLP, we could not categorize him wihout his coming out, but it is fictional, and there is plenty of documentation about the issue. What we can't do is say "Stewie is gay", or "Stewie is bisexual". (Sorry I forgot to sign before... Aleta ^Sing 20:56, 10 June 2008 (UTC))

What ever, I don't care anymore. Inaccuracies and assumptions like this is why the Family Guy wikiproject "rip(s)off (the) WikiProject The Simpsons as much as possible" and not the other way around. So put what you guys want. Ctjf83Talk 20:43, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm... I have nothing to do with the Family Guy (or Simpsons) wikiproject. I answered a call to the LGBT project requesting comments. Aleta ^Sing 20:56, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

For what it's worth Stewie gives every impression of being closeted and closeted people are very much a part of the LGBT community as are men who have sex with men, dykes, intersex people and others who may not use a specific term designated by the L, The G, The B or the T. Older gays were homosexuals and other terms, newer generations are queer, genderqueer and every variation imaginable. They are considered a part of the LGBT community whether they ever embrace a certain term or not. It's also worth noting that the LGBT community used to be just "the gays" then slowly expanded. Many youth groups now are LGBTQQI for LGBT, Queer, Questioning and Intersex. Banjeboi 13:06, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I am not sure how to raise this, but in an episode of FG I saw recently (like last night), Stewie was about to get his rocks off with a Girl, some bird called Connie D'Amico. Now I am not sure at this point whether we should look at categorising him solely as Gay, or whether we should now be looking at the possibility that Stewie Griffin is Bi... :) Thor Malmjursson (talk) 10:45, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

The 'ambiguous sexuality' section already mentions "Stewie has also had liaisons and attractions to girls." --DrBat (talk) 12:38, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Just to clarify, in that scene with Connie D'Amico, Stewie was pretending to ba a cool exchange student and didn't know what sex was after Connie makes him leave the car for having a small penis. Stewie states, "is that what sex is? What's all the fuss about?" Banjeboi 18:57, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

So why, in that case, do We have him listed as Gay? If it is obvious that He has liasons and attractions to girls, it is clear he is not gay. I am Gay, and women turn me off like a power outage in New York. Its obvious He is Bi. :) Thor Malmjursson (talk) 09:51, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

He's listed under "Fictional LGBT characters." --DrBat (talk) 10:56, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

There has been no confirmation that Stewie Griffin is gay. He has never been shown to have sex with a man, hence he is not gay. Yes, he makes seductives gestures at Brian now and then, but there is no solid proof he is gay, albeit some fan sites may say he is, but that is simply not good enough. I'm removing the category. Qst (talk) 21:56, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

You don't have to have sex to be gay or straight...but thank you for putting that he is not gay Ctjf83Talk 22:12, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

There is also nothing to suggest he is LGBT, apart from the odd seductive gesture towards Brian, which doesn't mean he's gay (or indeed LGBT). Qst (talk) 22:53, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Um, there's a lot more to suggest he's LGBT than "the odd seductive gesture towards Brian." --DrBat (talk) 19:28, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

The article itself certainly presents much evidence to support it. Aleta ^Sing 19:38, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

That is no proof he is LGBT. Give me some clear proof direct from the producers that he is LGBT, then I'll be convinced. Qst (talk) 21:14, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I thought we could use some additional voices here, and have opened a request for comment below accordingly. Aleta ^Sing 22:07, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

If MacFarlane has stated that he "is almost certainly gay" (I believe I saw that interview as well) and the character shows attraction to men and women I would say currently he is Bi. Whomever said "he hasn't had sex" so he's not gay is unfortunately uninformed. Sexual attraction and the act of sex are two completely different things. How anyone can say "there's nothing to suggest" that he's gay maybe hasn't watched the show. As for proof, look to the interview as cited above with the creator of the show. He most certainly is at the very least bisexual. Not sure which side (so to speak) this is so controversial to... --FilmFan69 (talk) 03:09, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Categorization: request for comment

Given the ambiguous sexuality of the fictional character, Stewie Griffin, what - if any - article categorization based upon that sexuality is appropriate? Aleta ^Sing 21:53, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Ambiguous has nothing to do with LGBT...that is different then questioning also Ctjf83Talk 22:09, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Additional opinion. Stewie if anything, is still in an experimentation stage and so it's invalid to assign any certain sexual orientation to him.--Loodog (talk) 22:12, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

That's exactly what I said up higher...he is a 1 yr old baby and has no sexual orientation yet! Ctjf83Talk 22:14, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

He is a cartoon of a year-old baby. Real babies do not have sexual orientations, nor do they try to take over the world, or whatever else Stewie does, but this cartoon character does have various attributes not relevant to real babies. Apparently being bisexual is among them, even if it has not been definitively stated - it has been demonstrated. Aleta ^Sing 22:17, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Saying he is LGBT without show or MacFarlane confirmation is OR Ctjf83Talk 22:23, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree with the editor whose name is too colorful to read. Look at Macfarlane's comment

“ We all feel that Stewie is almost certainly gay, and he’s in the process of figuring it out for himself. We haven’t ever really looked into it because we get a lot of good jokes from both sides, but we treat him oftentimes as if we were writing a gay character. ”

Even an adult who's "in the process of figuring himself out" has no certain sexual orientation.--Loodog (talk) 22:29, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

• I just want to point out one example: Jodie Foster. A lot of people think she's gay, and she's a part of the LGBT project, but she is not in any of the categories due to never officially coming out. Although we don't have to worry about BLP issues here, I think fictional characters should largely be treated the same way. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 22:32, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
• I agree with Aleta that it does merit discussion, because BLP considerations don't apply to cartoon characters. I think an applicable analogy is American Dad's Roger, an alien that, like Stewie, exhibits flamboyance, despite not being human. They categorized him as "Fictional bisexual" (also "Fictional intersexed"). --David Shankbone 22:35, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Ya, but fictional characters should follow the same general guidelines as real people...also, there is no proof of Rodger being bi either Ctjf83Talk 22:38, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Well no, fictional characters are not real people and should be regarded in terms of how they are written, creator intent etc. To that end, Macfarlane's "Stewie is almost certainly gay" is the simplest stance on the matter. With Roger, no such statement exists, and also he's an alien... so, leave it for now. ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 23:20, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

"Leave it"... which way? Do you mean leave the category, or leave it like it is now (which is without the category)? Aleta ^Sing 22:44, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Leave it without till the discussion is complete Ctjf83Talk 22:56, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

• Comment. If we have a category Fictional gay characters, Stewie would be a good example, he gives every indication as such even more than Fictional murderers and some of those other categories. Also, realworld babies can have sexual orientations although it's, as stated elsewhere, somewhat irrelevant to this RfC. I would support something like, - "Stewie's mannerisms and habits seem to imply he may be gay; however, this is complicated by the fact that he is only one-year old." Banjeboi 01:18, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

That is fine with me...but no LGBT category Ctjf83Talk 03:16, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

• Well, I agree that he can't be categorized as gay, but that doesn't mean that a sexually-ambiguous character with implications of his sexuality doesn't belong in the LGBT category. Larry Craig is, after all, part of the LGBT category, even though he is not "gay". To leave the sexuality aspect of the fictional character untouched leaves a hole in the article since it is paramount to the character. And no, real characters don't get the same baseline of scrutiny that real characters do - the concerns aren't the same. --David Shankbone 03:40, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

ummm...Larry Craig is part of the LGBT project, not any LGBT category...we are focusing on Stewie not having an LGBT category, I don't care if he is in the project..which he really shouldn't be anyway Ctjf83Talk 03:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

You don't think the character even belongs in the project??? Aleta ^Sing 16:47, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I meant leave Roger. Stewie, the fictional creation, is written as gay and therefore the category applies. Whether or not "real life babies" can have sexual orientations or behave in certain ways is entirely irrelevant when one is writing about fiction.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 10:40, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Dr Bat, in your edit summary which was reverting my edit, you provided quote which MacFarlane apparently said. That is not proof, I'd like a link to where he said this, or if it was in a book or something else that I don't have access too, I'd like it to be confirmed by uninvolved parties. Qst (talk) 10:57, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

As I'm here to show you, the source is: Voss, Brandon (2008-02-26). "BGF: Seth MacFarlane". Advocate.com. PlanetOut. Retrieved 2008-02-15. We all feel that Stewie is almost certainly gay, and he's in the process of figuring it out for himself. We haven't ever really looked into it because we get a lot of good jokes from both sides, but we treat him oftentimes as if we were writing a gay character. [...] We've had letters from homophobic fans in the past, and I sort of relish the idea of saying, 'Yeah, well, you know what? Your favorite character, Stewie, is gay.' ~Zythe^{Talk to me!}11:32, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

• Comment. I support putting him in Fictional LGBT characters until consensus to move him into Fictional Gay characters is reached. Banjeboi 19:00, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't think there is such a category; there's "Fictional LGBT characters" and "Fictional gay men." --DrBat (talk) 00:18, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

See Category:Fictional LGBT characters and its subcategories, which include Category:Fictional bisexuals and Category:Fictional gay men, as well as Category:LGBT characters in comics, among others. I would think the character's age would exclude him from the fictional gay men category. Aleta ^Sing 00:29, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Then Category:Fictional LGBT characters seems most appropriate. Banjeboi 00:43, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Aleta ^Sing 00:45, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Never in that source does it say Stewie is LGBT. "We all feel that Stewie is almost certainly gay, and he’s in the process of figuring it out for himself. We haven’t ever really locked into it because we get a lot of good jokes from both sides, but we treat him oftentimes as if we were writing a gay character" - no confirmation; notice the "we treat him oftentimes as if we were writing a gay character". This also does not confirm he is gay: "We’ve had letters from homophobic fans in the past, and I sort of relish the idea of saying, “Yeah, well, you know what? Your favorite character, Stewie, is gay". Notice the word relish? He never actually said he was gay, rather that he relishes the idea. Qst (talk) 11:35, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

That's a real stretch - you're grasping at straws. LGBT fictional character category is merited. --David Shankbone 15:16, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Apart from irrelevant discussions of the difference between the difference between a boy and a man (culturally biased much?), the quote is explicit in describing Stewie as gay.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 16:19, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Oppose - where in the world do you read in that quote that a 1-year old is gay? It says specifically "he's in the process of figuring it out for himself." Jodie Foster is in exactly the same boat, and she doesn't go in the Lesbian Actresses category. Oppose putting him in either category. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 05:12, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Exactly. I said the exact same thing; MacFarlane never stated in there he was gay, only they sometimes treat him as if he is gay, I'd like to emphasise the as if. He is not gay or LGBT. Qst (talk) 11:29, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

I just don't think the standard needs to be, or even can be, identical for actual living human beings and for cartoon (or other fictional) characters. Aleta ^Sing 19:33, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

And you would be correct. Fictional character don't ascribe to the same realities us mere mortals do (see hammer space for instance);. Banjeboi 22:13, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

• Outside view - Catagories must be self evident and beyond doubt. That most editors think he "is probably" gay is OR. MacFarlane (he writes this? assumption) gave you a citeable ambiguity - we "feel" he is "almost certainly" gay. If you want to play wikilawyer, thats not enough to say the character is gay. Note the undertones and likely orientation in the article instead. Catagorisation is for definites. Jaimaster (talk) 08:35, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Consensus

Ok, so we can get this unprotected...let's express our support or opposition to adding LGBT category to Stewie.

Oppose There is no actual evidence of this, just unsourced OR by editors. MacFarlene never actually says Stewie is gay. Ctjf83Talk 04:41, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

• Comment: We seem to be at a stand-still. It seems that everyone who wants to comment has done so, and we are at an impasse. Aleta ^Sing 20:19, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Small penis

I think it should be noted that in several episodes, Stewie was implied to have a small penis. Whenever Stewie is seen naked, even when full frontal, his penis is not visible. In one episode, he looks down at his penis, and goes "Bloody hell, I'm a woman!". In the episode "Don't Make Me Over", Brian dares him to streak through the mall. Brian asks him "Cold in here?" and Stewie replies, "No, just really small". There was even a whole part from an episode based around people teasing him about his small penis - McStroke. - Ndrly (talk) 00:36, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

• FYI, the "bloody hell, I'm a woman" comment was made in a situation where things were very cold and had suffered from shrinkage. The others ... I'm inclined to think they are just humorous exaggerations. Is he small? Probably. Is this noteworthy for the article? Questionable. Dp76764 (talk) 01:25, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Why the hell would that be notable?! He is a baby for christ sake, do you expect him to have a 7 inch penis?! Ctjf83Talk 02:40, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't expect Stewie to have a 7-inch penis, but even a baby can have a small penis. It would very likely be hard to see if it was small. With most male infants, their penis can be conspicuous. If it's not evident, then the infant has a tiny penis. Either that, or the infant is a girl. - Ndrly (talk) 04:09, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Either way, it is not a main part of who he is as a character, and is therefore not notable. Ctjf83Talk 11:51, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

When Peter is naked, you can never see his, yet him and Lois have had three children. Qst (talk) 12:11, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

(outdent) Has there been third party coverage of this issue? That is the only way I could see this being remotely worth mentioning, and I'm not convinced it would be then. Aleta ^Sing 15:02, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Him having any size penis has nothing to do with him as a character. Perhaps if Quagmire had an exceptionally big one, it might be notable, as he is a sexaholic Ctjf83Talk 21:04, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, Stewie isn't morbidly obese and his penis is not covered by his gut. - Ndrly (talk) 03:01, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

They're not going to show anyone's penis on a Fox show, period. --DrBat (talk) 04:04, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't agree with Ctjf83's take on this but from perhaps and average reader's perspective ... it's unremarkable that a baby has small genitals or small anything. What's remarkable is that he has a huge head, can talk and is an evil genius. Banjeboi 13:48, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Half-brother.

If we're listing Bertram as his "half-brother," wouldn't Meg be his half-sister since her real father is Stan Thompson? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.189.210.173 (talk) 09:02, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

If that was her real dad, then they wouldn't be related at all. Bertram was sperm from peter and his sperm was used by a lesbian couple and was not at all related to Lois. So Even if Lois was Megs real mom, she would not at all be related to Bertram —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.214.200.168 (talk) 09:19, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

This is Stewie's discussion page, not Bertram's. I think the poster means Meg and Stewie are half-siblings, if we are getting technical about it (and taking one episode is canon). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Unlikelyheroine (talk • contribs) 22:48, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Drop the Stan Thompson theroy. I did, and it's made my life a lot better. There is no proof. [to himself] As of Yet. --BrianGriffin-FG (talk) 18:47, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Fictional mass murderers?

Why is it ok to have the fictional mass murderers category, but not the fictional LGBT category? Has the show ever specifically stated that he's a mass murderer? --Silvestris (talk) 19:49, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

No...deleted. Ctjf83Talk 21:51, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't know...

...if you're all in denial, homophobic, or are just being anal.

"We all feel that Stewie is almost certainly gay, and he’s in the process of figuring it out for himself."

"See? See? He said 'We all feel that Stewie is almost certainly gay!' That means he's really straight!" --134.241.28.252 (talk) 18:47, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Playing Devil's advocate here since I tend to agree with you... I think those against the category's inclusion place more emphasis on the word "almost" in the quote above rather than the word "certainly". Aleta ^Sing 18:51, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Just a reminder to 134.241.28.252 to please be civil towards other editors. Although not involved in the debate, I can assure you that people are not attempting to remove the category because of attempts to deny or because of homophobic thinking. They simply want concrete proof because we are, after all, an encyclopedia. The359 (talk) 18:53, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict) A clarification - I was only agreeing with the IP poster that the category should be included, not in any aspersions cast upon those who don't think it should be. Reasonable people can disagree, and I can see why reasonable people think the opposite thing here than I do. :) Aleta ^Sing 18:56, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I think there's more than enough evidence to suggest that at the very least, Stewie is not just a heterosexual. --134.241.28.252 (talk) 18:55, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

There is evidence for either side. It's not our position to force classifications on individuals without clear proof. The359 (talk) 18:56, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

At best, he's bisexual. Which means the LGBT category still applies. With all of his actions and behavior, there's no way he's straight. --134.241.28.252 (talk) 18:58, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

No, "at best" is an assumption. You cannot interpret facts of someone's sexuality based on his numerous actions on a TV show. The359 (talk) 19:06, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

*bangs head* This is exactly what I was talking about. --134.241.28.252 (talk) 19:08, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

(indent) You mean the fact that you cannot put your opinions and interpretations into a Wikipedia article because they are not reliable facts or sourced? I'm sorry, but this is basic Wikipedia policy. The359 (talk) 19:10, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

He's written as gay, his creator says he's gay, but no that's not good enough for Wikipedia. --134.241.28.252 (talk) 19:15, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

His creator isn't specific, and as anyone who watches TV knows, shows, characters, and writers can change over time. The359 (talk) 19:16, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

His creator said "We all feel that Stewie is almost certainly gay, and he’s in the process of figuring it out for himself." That's not specific???

And using your logic, we should remove almost all the details from any fictional TV characters, since it's possible they might get changed. --134.241.28.252 (talk) 19:22, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Except when a character specifically stated they were gay or the writers specifically stated that the character was gay, yes.

Almost certainly gay is not gay. That's like "I'm almost certain I know where that building is", but it's not a fact. The359 (talk) 19:24, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, IP, it hardly has anything to do with homophobia, as I am the one who is deleting it most of the time, and was the cause of this, and the other, convos. Until he actually comes out on the show, it shouldn't be noted, cause you are just assuming he is gay, which is original research. Ctjf83Talk 21:08, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Reason for refimprove tag

There are a few items in the article for which citations are needed. Cromulent Kwyjibo (talk) 21:05, 27 October 2008 (UTC)