Talk:Delhi

File:NDMC1.jpg

Hello! Hey help me i uploaded this photo of ndmc building in CP which is tallest in delhi.i took this shot from my own camera so no copyrights.So,please add this photo to the economy headline with the description i had given above.

Request from "Prasun"

There is a great website on food in delhi. It has the menu of all the restaurants with their ratings and phone nos. But the problem is that its my start up. I tried putting it up before on wekipedia but somebody removed the link and hence its my request if anyone here can go to my website and check it and then post it here if he or she likes it. foodiebay

i know it will be unfair to spam the wiki and it being my website i am definitely biased towards thinking it as a nice one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.227.156.7 (talk) 21:50, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

FA

Ummm... with Mumbai, Chennai, Bangalore and soon to be Kolkata featured metros, should Delhi be left behind? Need someone to take the lead. =Nichalp «Talk»= 09:18, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Just give me a week. My exams get over within a week and then I can start working on this article. --Incman|वार्ता 15:42, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Have no fear, Incman's here! =Nichalp «Talk»= 17:37, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Yep! Then we shall have a Featured Topic! That will be great.--Dwaipayanc 20:06, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

New Delhi

If Delhi is to be made a featured article, New Delhi can be pushed too. One would just need to leverge content from Delhi to New Delhi and make it more specific. New Delhi basically needs expansion on

• History after 1912
• Municipal setup
• Geography and layout

It would be one of the easiest Indian FAs to author. =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:29, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

What do you think should be tried? Delhi or New Delhi? Is New Delhi a separate city? What is basically the city and the metropolitan areas (is there any distinction, like Mumbai and Kolkata)?--Dwaipayan (talk) 18:56, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Nichalp that once Delhi is complete, we can start pushing New Delhi. We just have ot be sure that we have enough statistics on New Delhi separately and we are able to establish its identity from Delhi. As Delhi is likely to be the Collaboration of the Week article as well as its more comprehensive currently, we should finish it first. As far as the question of Featured Topic is concerned, the Delhi article says its the metropolis and New Delhi says its a part of metropolis. But [1] says that New Delhi is the metropolis. We should clear this doubt first before trying to push for a "Metros of India" Featured Topic. BTW, all articles are not necessary to be featured to be selected as part of Featured Topic. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 05:30, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Delhi should be done first. Content from Delhi will be leveraged to New Delhi. It should not take more than two days to write a FA for New Delhi. As far as the the disambig between Delhi and New Delhi goes: Manorama Yearbook 2003 states that: the NCT consists of the census towns of New Delhi, Delhi and Delhi Cantonment, along with 214 villages. Our main worry now is to decide on the territorial boundaries of the article. (PS Ambuj: that author of the Rediff article is ignorant on the diffence between Delhi and New Delhi). This is New Delhi. It's an urban district. I'm being optimistic, but we can get NCT featured too! =Nichalp «Talk»= 06:31, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

So what's the decision as of now? National Capital Region (India) is the Delhi's metropolitan area of Delhi. NCR is again almost same as NCT. So, I think "Delhi" encompasses nearly everything. However, there will be some problems. For example, population, area data etc. Please decide how to approach. I think, as the article claims, the article Delhi is regarding the metropolis of Delhi (which is NCR, that is almost same as NCT!!). So we should go for Delhi first, then re-use material for New Delhi later, and also, NCT, if necessary. Regards. --Dwaipayan (talk) 06:44, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

The most neutral would be to limit the scope to the area as governed by the Delhi Municipal Corporation. =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:37, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Well.. mixing up Delhi with the National Capital Territory of Delhi makes sense. But I think there is a clear distinction between Delhi and NCR. NCR includes Gurgaon, NOIDA, Faridabad and Ghaziabad which lie outside NCT. The combined population of these satellite cities is a million plus. So NCR is not the same as NCT. In my opinion, this article should talk about the National Capital Territory of Delhi and not of the Delhi metropolitan area (aka NCR). New Delhi, on the other hand, is just an urban area within the NCT. Similar to Worli or Juhu in Mumbai. We can also take help from articles on Washington D.C. and Canberra, as these regions are similar to Delhi (or NCT) in administrative setup. Cheers --Incman|वार्ता 20:56, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Confusing: Somebody please fix up the discussion in this article of New Delhi. It is not at all clear. Compare this to the opening statement in the "New Delhi" article: that statement is simple and clear. Kdammers 02:11, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Collaboration

OK, now that its Indian Collaboration of the Week, it's our chance to raise this article to FA status. It's obvious (I think) that we should focus our efforts on making this article better the standard set by Kolkata. That raises some simply points:

• The lead-in is too long, needs compressing a bit.
• Creation of History of Delhi and compressing of history section.
• Prosify geography section so that there is generally more info and less dot points.
• Expansion in all of the remaining sections.
• CITATION, heavily required considering all the {{Fact}} tags lying around.

I might not be able to help for the next 2/3 days, but I'll be there in the last few days of collaboration. Nobleeagle (Talk) 07:49, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh, just read the To-do list, missed it somehow. Anyway, the points mentioned above apart form expansion should be first priority. It's better to first perfect what we have, before adding other things that may end up having their own issues. Nobleeagle (Talk) 07:50, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

However, I think we better expand Culture, Utility services etc. We have to remove tourism, Entertainment etc anyway (those do not conform to the Wikiproject Indian Cities). Materials from these sections may be incorporated elsewhere.--Dwaipayan (talk) 08:07, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

History of Delhi

History of Indian indepence movement, history during 1950-1980s, and 1990s missing. 700-1500 may be slightly decreased.--Dwaipayan (talk) 11:33, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Lead image

I dont think the lotus house image is the image I would use as the lead image. Maybe something like red fort or india gate image would be a better candidate. Also keep in mind that their are too many images in the article right now and some will have to be dropped (Ganga plain image is rather boring). --Blacksun 14:07, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean by boring? In my opinion, encyclopedic articles are not meant for entertainment only. They should be informative too. The image gives a visual description of Delhi and its surrounding areas' geography. I am sorry, but I was not able to find a better image for the geography section. Generally, an image depicting the skyline of the downtown area is used as the lead image. --Incman|वार्ता 21:08, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

By boring I mean it lacks in information value. --Blacksun 13:03, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

i would liike to t —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.19.4.18 (talk) 08:29, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

FA status

Well, I think the article is prepared for a Peer Review. Any suggestions?? --Incman|वार्ता 22:27, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Can you give a citation for the origin of the name? ramit 07:40, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I tried my best finding an appropriate citation but couldn't. I think the user who wrote this section might help us out. Is there any other concern you have with the article? --Incman|वार्ता 01:39, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, trying to give my views where applicable:

• Are you sure of three municipal corporations. delhigovt.nic.in lists only 2: MCD/ NDMC. There are three indeed: http://delhigovt.nic.in/muniserv.asp
• sixth most populous appears twice in the same para
• Not sure of the grammar of "Delhi registers as one of the fastest growing cities in Asia"
• It would be good to cite a source for "Archaeological evidence suggests that Indraprastha once stood where the Old Fort is today"
• Maybe related to above point: history section mentions that Purana Qila was built by Shershah Suri but culture section mentions it as a 5th century BC fortress
• "Every year, the heat wave in summer claims several lives in Delhi" - does this need a source? A cursory search on Google didnt give me any numbers.
• "most visited Vaishnavite temple in the world, Birla Mandir". I would have thought it was Vaishno Devi...
• "Prime Minister of India addresses the nation on Delhi Fort" - is Red fort also known as Delhi fort?
• "lit traditional lamps" - should this be light traditional lamps?
• Shopping section needs to be more wikified?
• Transport - Should Ring Road Be changed to Mahatma Gandhi Road?
• "million in middle schools, while 1.31 million students were enrolled in secondary schools" - Arent middle and secondary schools the same?
• " New Delhi Television (NDTV) is among the largest television media networks in India" - Needs citation?
• "Hindustan Times, with over a million copies in circulation, is the single largest English daily in Delhi." TOI claims it is the largest.
• "Hindi-daily Dainik Bhaskar is by far the most popular newspaper" - needs citation
• "A major reason for the popularity of print media in Delhi is the lack of electronic media" - Not sure about this statement. Which electronic media does Delhi lack?
• Utlities: Power theft needs a mention?
• "Delhi government invested 149.2 billion INR in the city's energy sector" - needs citation?
• External links need to be debated. e.g. Should Akshardham temple be there? Yellow pages: can we have better ones such as Infomedia or Just Dial etc.
• Should we move this conversation to the Indian cities project page, so that we could get more feedback? ramit 09:16, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the review and copyedit.

• The metropolis of Delhi (aka NCT) is the sixth most populous metropolis in the world while the agglomeration of Delhi (aka NCR) is the sixth most populous agglomeration in the world. It is a matter of coincidence.
• I don't see anything wrong in the grammar. However, it is not a very well phrased sentence. Will make changes to it.
• Don't know much about Delhi's history. Will work on it.
• Contradictory. Hmm..
• Presisely. Since I couldn't get any numbers, had to write many people are killed due to heat waves. Included an article as a source which says people are killed due to heat wave in northern India which includes Delhi. Hope that works.
• Vaishno Devi is more to do with Shaktism. Birla Mandir is devoted to Lord Vishnu while Vaishno Devi is devoted to Goddess Durga.
• See Red Fort. The one in Agra (which apparently is more popular) is known as Red Fort too. So to avoid confusion, the one in Delhi is referred to as Delhi Fort.
• I think lit lamps is correct. However, light lamps sounds correct too. Anything is fine with me.
• Will work on it. The last couple of sentences are messed up.
• No. Ring Road is a more popular name than MG Road. Besides, the economic survey of Delhi calls it Ring Road.
• The economic survey of Delhi classifies schools in Delhi into three categories, primary, middle and secondary. Lets stick to offical classifications.
• Done.
• Well I need a source for that. Its a matter of dispute. HT claims to be the largest on its official site. TOI made such a claim couple of years ago but after the dispute, it has refrained from making such claims.
• Will work on it.
• Its not that Delhi lacks electronic media, but its a well proven fact that relatively print media is more popular than electronic media in Delhi. A reason why newspapers and magazines are still so popular in Delhi.
• Good point. Will work on it.
• See the source given before. Every data in that para is taken from Economic Survey of Delhi.
• External links, See also and Categories need some work. Will remove Akshardham as an external link.

Thanks for the feedback. If you are not satisfied with my replies, then you may take your queries to Indian cities project page to get more feedback. Cheers :) --Incman|वार्ता 18:58, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Merge with Delhi

There is absolutely no reason to have two seperate articles on Delhi and National Capital Territory of Delhi. Delhi was first a union territory in India and later on after the commencement of the 69th amendment to the Indian constitution, Delhi was given a status of a National Capital Territory. As one can notice, most of the content of the National Capital Territory of Delhi is similar to that of the Delhi article. --Deepak|वार्ता 05:14, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Good point. Following the examples set by other federal capital cities, there seems to be some variation as to whether the city is treated as the same as the subnational entity where it is situated and whether one article is redirected to the other. For example, Washington is indistinguishable from the District of Columbia (the city, though not the entire conurbation) and so here in Wikipedia they both share the same entry. The same goes for Buenos Aires and Kuala Lumpur (no separate entry for the district, because its limits are coterminous with those of the city). The following federal capital cities which are physically and administratively not identical to their respective federal capital districts or territories, have their own entries in WP:

• Federal Capital Territory, Nigeria separate from the city of Abuja
• Australian Capital Territory separate from the city of Canberra
• Venezuelan Capital District separate from the city of Caracas
• Mexican Federal District separate from the city of Mexico
• Brazilian Federal District separate from the city of Brasília

--Big Adamsky 14:04, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

The city of Delhi as such lies entirely in Delhi and what lies outside are regarded as satellite towns; not a part of the city of Delhi. There is a clear line between the metropolis of Delhi which lies within the NCT and the agglomeration of Delhi which lies in three states. Besides, according to the economic survey of Delhi, only 10% of Delhi's pop is rural. This means that the city of Delhi covers most part of the NCT. Hence, both the NCT and the metropolis of Delhi deserve the same article. --Incman|वार्ता 05:37, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Deepak. NCT could just exist as a category and not as an article. ramit 07:37, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Some quick points:

1. NCT is not a state. It is a unique administrative area jointly administered by the Union and NCT government.
2. The metropolis of Delhi lies entirely in NCT. What lies outside NCT are known as satellite towns of Delhi. Please see the difference between a metropolis and agglomeration.
3. According to the Economic survey of Delhi, 90% of NCT's population is urban (i.e. 90% of the population lives in the city of Delhi).
4. The 69th ammendment to the Indian constituion says that Delhi's official name now is National Capital Territory of Delhi. The name Delhi itself signifies the NCT. There is no other meaning, officially and practically, of Delhi. So Delhi is nothing but the NCT (same as the case with Washington D.C. and District of Columbia). The articles on both NCT and Delhi will have to merged. As one can clearly notice, most of the content in the National Capital Territory of Delhi article is the same as the Delhi article. --Incman|वार्ता 18:22, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Failed GA

This article failed to become a good article as there are no references stated. Cheung1303 03:16, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I think you missed the "References" section. Need a pair of eyeglasses? --61.246.75.39 19:42, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

I will add, this article failed on the account of the merger. Till this is resolved please renominate. Lincher 15:21, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Map of India is wrong....

Please make sure that Arunachal Pradesh is shown as a state of India which it is. It is as stupid as showing California as disputed terrotory with Mexico...:).

Delhi is a state and not a Union Territory. Pls make the correction

The Constitution of India regards Delhi as a special Union Territory. It is not a state. --Incman|वार्ता 14:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Delhi was a union territory. But now it is a state

Delhi is neither a state nor a union territory. It has a status which lies in between with both the central and the delhi govt sharing responsibility of governance (differently then in other states). For example the Delhi Police is under the central government and schools are under the delhi government. See http://mha.nic.in/acts-rules/Govt_of_NCT_Act1991.pdf

Shahab 18:07, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Screw Wikipedia. It disrespects the sentiments of India a lot. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 16:08, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

External links

Hi, I had put the link to Delhilive.com in the external links categories which was removed from the page. I beleive I added the link in the right category of the site consifering the fact that the site encoruages people to contribute and share information. Please let me know if someone thinks otherwise and why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Manuj 78 (talk • contribs)

Hi, please go through Wikipedia:External Links. We only link to sites that add value to the article in question. Other external links are generally discouraged -- Lost ^(talk) 13:29, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

The objective of wikipedia article on delhi is to provide a summarised, unbiased view for Delhi mostly for people interested in travelling to it. Whereas the objective of my site is to cover daily issues of delhi in a constructive way encouraging discussion. That is why the site has sections for history, culture as well as sections for upcoming events, news as well as having a comic strip on the front page of the site which takes a comic view of the issues affecting delhiites. Wikiepdia on the other hand is an international portal which has guidelines in place for providing an unbiased view. my site on the other hand aims to give delhiites the ability to express their view democratically, without caring for being unbiased. For all these above reasons I believe that link for delhilive.com should be included in the external links category for Wike Delhi and New Delhi

I generally don't think it's wise to include links to commercial sites unless they are referenced in the article or provide relevant information that for some reason cannot be summarized in the article. There would be so many companies wanting free advertising from Wikipedia. There are search engines for people looking for sites dealing with Delhi. An encyclopedia should not be serving as a web directory. -- Dieresis 13:37, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Lead

Please consider moving all the alternate information in the lead (different languages and scripts etc) and put them in the infobox instead.--Filll 17:34, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

MAP IS SCREWD

Theres something wrong with the map. Delhi is not located in Sri Lanka! — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nikkul (talk • contribs) 19:47, 14 February 2007 (UTC).

It appears fine to me. Probably an issue with your browser — Lost ^(talk) 06:42, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

It's been fixed now.--Dwaipayan (talk) 06:44, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Beijing Beautiful...Delhi---dull

I was looking at the Beijing page and i noticed that each section has pics of Beijing booming. New buildings and glamor...Not that Delhi should be compared with Bejing, but can we add pics that makes Delhi look a little more high-tech?

For example, under people and culture, can someone submit a pic of the local mall? (I live in the US so I can't really do that)

And a better pic of the government building and some better pics under the economy section? Lets make Delhi shine!

Dude! As Nichalp will argue, Beijing is not even 'Good' article. Why to show only one aspect of Delhi? Encyclopedia should present neutral information as much as possible. spacejuncky 05:18, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Big mistake

In 1984, the assassination of Indira Gandhi (Prime Minister of India)... Gandhi died in January 30, 1948 and not in 1984... Bobsodium from wikipedia France 202.53.15.226 06:07, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Mahatma Gandhi died in 1948. Indira Gandhi is another peron, who was Prime Minister of India and was assassinated in 1984. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 06:33, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Shame on me, I'm sorry...Bobsodium202.53.15.226 07:32, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Population figures

Delhi [...] is the second-largest metropolis in India after Mumbai [...]. When comparing the numbers given in this article in the right table with those found in Mumbai, Delhi would be the larger metropolis. --Abdull 07:30, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Seven major cities have been discovered in Delhi

I read this in the book by khushwant singh ,that delhi was destroyed 7 times and was rebuilt 7 times.202.89.69.130 05:31, 31 July 2007 (UTC)Yourdeadin

Raja Dhillu?

The article states Raja Dhillu (King Dhillu) founded ancient Delhi in 800 BC. I know of no inscription or text mentioning Raja Dhillu before 1882AD. There were many chronologies of Delhi compiled before 1882AD, none of them mention Raja Dhillu.

--ISKapoor 22:44, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm. Also, the source mentioned of that bit of statement is incomplete, it does not have page number. It is a bad source. So, what do you suggest, should we remove that statement? I think so.--Dwaipayan (talk) 01:35, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Sports

"The coming years will see the city host the 2010 Commonwealth Games, projected to be the largest multi-sport event ever held in the 'city'...". I thought the 2010 Commonwealth Games would be the biggest multi-sporting event in the country. Have not heard of any other multi-sporting event that was bigger. What say? Syiem (talk) 08:21, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Must Check : Infobox

I was just comparing infoboxes of Delhi and Mumbai and found strange disparities. Even though infoboxes show population of -

• Delhi as 13,782,976 (13 million 782 thousand and 976) or 13.8 million approx. as of 2001, and that of
• Mumbai as 13.3 million as of 2006,

how come Delhi is 2nd largest metropolitan city in the country?

Even on comparing by area Delhi is far more larger than Mumbai -

• Delhi - 1,483 sq km
• Mumbai - 603.45 sq km

Don't know why nobody else found it. Please review the data and discuss the situation so as to reach a consensus. It would be better if official data from Indian government is used for the purpose.

- Manik (talk) 22:48, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Why not use more graphics???

I guess it would be just to use more graphic representations, like infoboxes, templates and images to show data as it would be more presentable, shorten the length of pages, and provide more information also. We can cut short text data also.

I would also propose sub-categorisation of sections like transport, media, sports, education etc. - Manik (talk) 19:15, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Please look at other featured Indian city articles. None have subsections. Itgoes against the format of the Featured Article tohave subsections. There are guidelines that we follow here. The WP:India guidelines statethat no section should have more than 2 images unless it is really long where 3 can be used. Please have a look at other featured Indian city articles before reverting edits. Nikkul (talk) 15:55, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Guidelines are fine to work with but they should be modified to include more info, better representation of info. I would suggest that we should also learn from other very well crafted articles like London, real good representation. As of sub-categorization, if a person wishes to learn about bus system only why bother reading out whole section? For example have a look at National Capital Region (India), sub-categories are used in a good way there. - Manik (talk) 19:35, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

NOOO! We are supposed to follow Featured Articles. Featured Articles represent the BEST of Wiki articles. If you would like to change the Featured Article format, please discuss it at WP:FA. Until then, you can not add subsections and random graphics on this page since it is a featured article. Please also see Wikipedia:Summary style. Thanks Nikkul (talk) 01:31, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

OK, then you may like to check NYC, it is a featured article as well as semi-protected from editing too. And it makes use of sub-sections as well as large amount of graphical data too. I am just saying that even a featured article can be improved also and graphics are a good way to do it. - Manik (talk) 11:24, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Nikkul has a point. We need to follow Wikipedia:WikiProject Indian cities guidelines. Also, we have an article on Transport in Delhi. The main Delhi article just provides a brief summary of each topic. --Mellisa Anthony Jones (talk) 07:35, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Images

Why does the article have 2 images on Connaught Place? --Mellisa Anthony Jones (talk) 07:28, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Check external links!

Friends, I think we should check external links used in references, further reading and external links section as a few of them are not working. It would be necessary to provide immediate replacement for such references. One such link is reference to 0.2 degree minimum temperature in Delhi. Even the fact is not proved as Delhi has seen lower temps in past. - ℳanik^{here since June' 2007} ( talk • contributions ) 00:04, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

The specific example you cited (the lowest temperature reference) is not anymore available online in its location. However, it is archived in Internet Archive. That's the reason the retrieval date is given along with the reference. However, that this is available in the internet archive should be mentioned. And better is, replacing with a readily available source.--Dwaipayan (talk) 00:40, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Now provided the archive URL and date. Thanks for pointing this out. Yes, more dead links, if there are any, should be checked and taken action against.--Dwaipayan (talk) 00:53, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Sister cities

Could somebody add fast the sister cities of Delhi to the article? It would be important for me to create an FA article in the Hungarian Wikipedia. Than you. --Ksanyi (talk) 21:16, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Language Terminology

In the demographics section I noticed that the terms "associate offical language" and "second official languages" were used. I would suggest that either the terms be linked, if there is an explanation of what those terms mean elsewhere in Wikipedia, or that each term be followed by a brief explanation in brackets. I would defer to people more knowledgeable than I to do the latter, although, as an unknowledgeable person about the subject, I found the following website page to be helpful: http://www.gloriousindia.org/languages.php

Regards Tschurin (talk) 22:49, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Edited version on Hemu Vikramaditya in the year 1556 on DELHI. Citation Needed.

Please note there dozens of books which support what I had added to Delhi website of wikipedia.

Imperial Gazetteer of India while describing 2nd Battle of Panipat writes about Hemu "A man of genius a great warrior & a great administrator,the victor of 22 pitched battles etc."

A British writer, Vincent A. Smith in his book, AKBAR: The Great Mugal pp36-37 (Oxford, 1926) "With the concurrence of his Generals he entered Delhi,raised the canopy over his head & exercised the most cherished privilede of sovereignty by striking coin in his own name. He assumed the style of 'Raja Vikramaditya' which had beed borne by several of the most renowned Hindu Monarchs in ancient times and so entered the field as a competitor for the thorne of Hindustan against both Akbar and Sikandar Sur."

Prof. R.C.Mazumdar in his book "The Mugal empire" Appendix (By the Editor) - Himu- A forgotten Hindu Hero, p100, Published by Bhartiya Vidya Bhawan writes:Whatever had been the desire or the motive of Himu,decided the direction of his future and did preparations accordingly. He won over the hearts of Afghans who helped him in the wars. He distributed wealth librally among the Generals. With their concurrence and support he captured Delhi. After 'Coronation' and completing all the formalities he declared himself as 'Raja Vikramaditya' or Samrat Hem Chander Vikramaditya.He introduced Coins also in his name.

"Akbarnama" a book by Sheikh Abul Fazal, translated by Dr. Mathura Lal Sharma, on page 155-156 state Hemu and Ibrahim had fought many battles. Ibrahim wanted to become a Sultan, but Hemu always defeated him. In Bengal, Sultan Mohammed did become the ruler but he lost. Hemu had fought 22 battles against Adil Shah's enemies and had won all of them. This encouraged him to capture Delhi and establish Hindu Rule in Hindustan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.198.128.89 (talk) 17:18, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Edited version on Hemu Vikramaditya in the year 1556 on DELHI. Citation Needed.

Please note that there dozens of books which support what I had added to Delhi website of wikipedia.

Imperial Gazetteer of India while describing 2nd Battle of Panipat writes about Hemu "A man of genius a great warrior & a great administrator,the victor of 22 pitched battles etc."

A British writer, Vincent A. Smith in his book, AKBAR: The Great Mugal pp36-37 (Oxford, 1926) "With the concurrence of his Generals he entered Delhi,raised the canopy over his head & exercised the most cherished privilede of sovereignty by striking coin in his own name. He assumed the style of 'Raja Vikramaditya' which had beed borne by several of the most renowned Hindu Monarchs in ancient times and so entered the field as a competitor for the thorne of Hindustan against both Akbar and Sikandar Sur."

Prof. R.C.Mazumdar in his book "The Mugal empire" Appendix (By the Editor) - Himu- A forgotten Hindu Hero, p200, Published by Bhartiya Vidya Bhawan writes:Whatever had been the desire or the motive of Himu,decided the direction of his future and did preparations accordingly. He won over the hearts of Afghans who helped him in the wars. He distributed wealth librally among the Generals. With their concurrence and support he captured Delhi. After 'Coronation' and completing all the formalities he declared himself as 'Raja Vikramaditya' or Samrat Hem Chander Vikramaditya.He introduced Coins also in his name.

"Akbarnama" a book by Sheikh Abul Fazal, translated by Dr. Mathura Lal Sharma, on page 155-156 state Hemu and Ibrahim had fought many battles. Ibrahim wanted to become a Sultan, but Hemu always defeated him. In Bengal, Sultan Mohammed did become the ruler but he lost. Hemu had fought 22 battles against Adil Shah's enemies and had won all of them. This encouraged him to capture Delhi and establish Hindu Rule in Hindustan.

One can refer following books on Hemu:

"HEMU - Nepoleon of Medieval india" by K.K.Bhardwaj, Delhi "ANOKHA AAROHI" by Kranti Trivedi, Lucknow "MUGHAL EMPIRE" by Ishwari Prashad "HEMU AND HIS TIMES" by M.L.Bhargava "HEMU" By R.K.Bhardwaj "A History of India" by Romila Thapar Vol. 1, Penguin "The Akbar Nama" By Abul Fazal Vol.1 & 2 (Tras. by H.Beverage)Delhi "Akbar the great Mughal" by A. Vincent smith "The Mughal Empire" by A.L.Srivastva

I, Sudhirkbhargava, would like two sentences, which have been removed in last editing, to be re-added to the Delhi website.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.198.128.89 (talk) 17:21, 13 February 2008 (UTC) 

Managing supporting articles.

Since the Delhi article is now "FA class". I guess we should devote time in upgrading secondary supporting articles like Transport in Delhi. It would be good if we can provide extensive informations in those articles and manage them to get atleast an "A class" rating. - ℳanik^{here since June' 2007} ( talk • contributions ) 09:31, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Delhi Population Table

Template:IndiaCensusPop User:Gppande has added this table. I don't think it's suited for the Delhi page because:

• ALL Featured Indian city articles do not have this table and have not had this table when they became featured
• This table would work better on the Mumbai statistics page
• The average reader doesnt really care about how many people lived in the city 20 years ago and 30 years ago
• The demographics section is supposed to reflect the current demographics including religion, ethnicity, etc.
• This table contains very auxiliary information. It not important
• It's very big and bulky and is really not that informative

Nikkul (talk) 04:54, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

I have moved the discussion to here as this involves discussion on 2 pages. Better to have centralized discussion. --gppande «talk» 09:47, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Jainrajat11 (talk) 13:14, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

I have added the image of IIT, Delhi to the Education section

WP:INDIA Banner/Delhi Addition

Note: {{WP India}} Project Banner with Delhi workgroup parameters was added to this article talk page because the article falls under Category:Delhi or its subcategories. Should you feel this addition is inappropriate , please undo my changes and update/remove the relavent categories to the article -- Amartyabag ^TALK2ME 03:50, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

oldest continually inhabited cities in the world

Where is this claim coming from. the linked page itself doesn't contain a mention of Delhi. Will remove, if there is concurrence. ChiragPatnaik (talk) 05:36, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Unless there is an archaeological record going back to 1000BC or so, I agree it should be removed. --Regents Park (count the magpies) 12:27, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Skyline image

I suggest that we should make a collage of images for the skyline like how it is done in London, Istanbul and Beijing aticles. In this way we can portray the old and new modernized delhi. I reckon that the lotus temple, india gate, one of the modern areas of delhi like for example - gurgaon or noida's akyline or perhaps barakhamba road which has some high rise buildings and if someones has a good image of the commonwealth village. Enthusiast10 (talk) 14:43, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Recent changes

I've replaced some of the pathetic images on this article. A list of changes:

1. Replaced images on Humayun's Tomb and India Gate with ones of higher resolution, better focus and clarity.
2. Removed image on "Yamuna". Well, it was an image on the vegetation on the banks of the Yamuna. So, had no significance.
3. Replaced image on CP with a better one featuring Barakhamba Road.
4. Removed image of IGI airport. It was taken in 2005 and was hence outdated. The portion of the airport shown has undergone changes since. And besides, the image didn't show much.
5. Replaced image on auto-rickshaw with one on rajpath as an image on private vehicles is more representative of delhi's transport.
6. Added image on Garden of Five Senses

If anyone has any issues regarding my changes, please discuss before reverting my edits :) --Enigma Blues (talk) 14:19, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Why 1958?

The info box says that the territory was established in 1958, but there's nothing in the text about it. Why not 1947? Or, if something important did happen in 1958, what exactly was it? I'd be grateful for any clarification. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.17.154.153 (talk) 20:30, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Montage

Since there was no image on Delhi's skyline, unlike Mumbai, the need for a montage as a lead image was felt similar to those in articles on New York City, Chicago and London. Hope fellow Wikipedians like it. --Dilli Billi (talk) 03:04, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

There is no need for a montage. Most cities have just one image. The point of the image is to show a picture of a defining image (skyline/ monument) of the city. One is enough. Nikkul (talk) 22:08, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

And can you provide a link to this Wikipedia policy? I did not find any such Wikipedia guideline that montages are not allowed as lead-in images. Stop making your own rules here. --128.211.201.161 (talk) 23:53, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Secondly, the Lotus Temple is not a "defining image" of Delhi. There are numerous more monuments in Delhi which are even more significant and popular. --128.211.201.161 (talk) 23:54, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Thirdly, you have a problem with the montage. But you reverted all recent changes done to the article. Please do not carry on with this unproductive behavior. --128.211.201.161 (talk) 23:58, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

I think the montage is a grt idea but can we can get some images that are more iconic to the city- I think that the red fort or india gate is beter off than the lotus temple. The gurgaon business park should also be changed too, if someone has a beter skyline image. I have a skyline image that is used in the gurgaon article but it is not very good quality and doesn't comeout that well when put in where skyline should be.Enthusiast10 (talk) 19:15, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

(outdent) I kinda like the montage idea! I'm ok with the Lotus temple being in the montage (though Red Fort would be better if we use one image rather than a montage) but the Gurgaon office buildings picture must go. Gurgaon is not in Delhi! May I also add that Dilli Billi is doing a fine job and a peremptory removal of the montage is a bit bitey.--Regents Park (sniff out my socks) 19:26, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

How about an image on Qutub Minar, or Delhi metro, or Connaught Place to replace the image on Gurgaon Business Park? --128.211.201.161 (talk) 20:54, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Delhi Metro or Connaught Place are both good ideas. I'd vote yes to either. --Regents Park (sniff out my socks) 20:58, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

The problem is that I'm not able to find any suitable replacement. There are quite a few other monuments, landmarks and famous and iconic places which aren't represented in the article. For example, Lodhi Gardens, Birla mandir, Purana Qila, Raj Ghat, Bangla Sahib and Pragati Maidan. Any suggestions? --128.211.201.161 (talk) 22:06, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure. Purana Qila seems the most photogenic of the lot. Pragati Maidan is an ugly monstrosity that is best ignored. Bangla Sahib and Lotus Temple would be too much emphasis on religion. Would a photograph of Rajghat look nice - I don't know what it looks like. Coming to think of it, wouldn't Jama Masjid be more of a 'Delhi' picture than the Lotus temple?--Regents Park (sniff out my socks) 02:26, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Here is a nice one of Jama Masjid. Also, how about this for the Delhi Metro? --Regents Park (sniff out my socks) 02:30, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, I was thinking the montage should include images of monuments which are not represented well in the article. There is an image on Jama Masjid in the Demographics section. Besides, it will over represent Mughal architecture. The Delhi metro image looks nice though. --128.211.201.161 (talk) 02:41, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

(I've been asked at my talkpage to comment on this.) I'm generally not in favour of montages. However, I agree that, for a city as old and diverse as Delhi, no single image can be representative enough. I prefer keeping one of the most iconic images in the infobox and adding other images to suitable sections. As beautiful as the Lotus temple is, it is not a top icon of Delhi, in my opinion. Red Fort could be a better choice. In addition, I feel that we should have other pictures too, in addition to buildings. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 06:11, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

regent park- I agree that dilli billi has done a grt job. I'm giving him a lot of credit and he has visualy enhanced the article. And I reckon Gurgaon should be in the monatge or some other modern part of delhi. Regent- Delhi is NCR- which includes-noida, greater noida or gurgaon. unlike in other cities any part of delhi has not managed to have a skyline and the only part that is modern is gurgaon. I think gurgaon or some other modern area should be a part of the montageEnthusiast10 (talk) 17:23, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, I'm not very supportive of montages. I prefer a panoramic skyline. The choice of pictures for montages is subjective, and for some inexplicit reason, almost always featuring buildings! Toronto has a nice skyline picture. Just curious: Is there an elevated region in Delhi that the skyline can be taken of? Maybe Raisina Hill or The Ridge? =Nichalp «Talk»= 20:34, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

The skyline of Delhi is not particularly exciting. I like the montage idea because it is hard to get a single iconic image of Delhi. Red Fort, Jama Masjid, Rashtrapati Bhavan (a picture of Rashtrapati Bhavan looking up from India Gate, perhaps with a wide angle lens, would be a great single picture if there is someone in Delhi with a good camera!), Connaught Place, the modern Delhi, perhaps a busy crossing, a good shot of Old Delhi Railway Station, Qutab, the metro, etc. etc. are all iconic. Still, in commons we have this (I quite like it but I don't think that'll be universal!). I'm not too keen on a Gurgaon picture because it is technically in Haryana and does not have the same shared history but if including a gurgaon picture in a montage is generally considered ok, so be it.

Other single image possibilities: Red Fort, India Gate (nice picture, but is it iconic?). The Red Fort one is kind of nice because the Fort is historic but the location is also an important part of modern India. --Regents Park (sniff out my socks) 21:13, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, Nikkul has added his own version of montage without even discussing. My problem is with the fountain in the montage. Here we are scratching our head over which monument should be a part of the montage and Nikkul puts an image on fountain. So, according to Nikkul that fountain has more iconic status than Red Fort, Qutub Minar etc. etc. This is hilarious! --128.211.201.161 (talk) 05:10, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, User:128.211.201.161 added an image of the dome of the Rastrapati Bhavan which can barely be seen from the fog, an image of 3 buildings (which have no importance whatsoever) in Gurgoan, which is NOT part of Delhi. I think my montage is much better, much more relevant,and more encyclopedic. Nikkul (talk) 06:11, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

I am not a big fan of the 1st montage either and that is why I suggested images on some monuments to replace the one on Business Park in Gurgaon. And regarding your montage, obviously you'll find it much better because you made it. And you've again added that blurry, unclear image on Humayun's Tomb. We have much better options out there. Thanks --128.211.201.161 (talk) 07:20, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi all I am from Mumbai I am opening my mouth over her just because User with IP adress 128.211.201.161 asked me to resolve this montage issue with Nikkul. According to me its upto Delhi people to decide what to use as montage or as Article image. According to me you people must decide what you want an image or a montage. Then proceed towards poll for a selection of image or images(in case of montage) In short you people will have to conduct atlest two polls.--Suyogaerospace^{talk to me!} 06:27, 3 October 2008 (UTC)_{Personally speaking Delhi is so vast that paranoma will not suite. I'll prefer montage. With montage you can show dffrent important Buldings/places in just one shot!!}

Brilliant idea. We can have a poll on which images to include in the montage.--128.211.201.161 (talk) 07:23, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Inclusion of montage

• Support --128.211.201.161 (talk) 07:20, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Images in montage

Lotus Temple image

• Support - But, I prefer this image from Flickr in cc-by-sa-2.0 license over this one. --128.211.201.161 (talk) 07:20, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
• Support -- as per User:128.211.201.161's suggestion. ~ Troy (talk) 22:52, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Safdarjung's Tomb

• Support - Image:Delhi Safdarjung's Tomb.jpg is very good and relevant as there is no image on this tomb in the article.--128.211.201.161 (talk) 07:20, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Rashtrapati Bhawan

• Support - Image:New Delhi Rastrapati Bhavan.jpg is grainy but is suitable enough for montage. --128.211.201.161 (talk) 07:20, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Lodhi Gardens

• Support - But we can look for a better image --128.211.201.161 (talk) 07:20, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

New Montage

Hey guys! This is User:Dilli Billi. Apologies for the late reply. I forgot my prev account's password so had to make a new one. Back to the point, I've added a newer version of montage:

File:Delhi Montage copy2.jpg

The primary motive was to create an eye-pleasing montage which represented Delhi well and also, reflected different eras in its History.

• Qutub Minar: Was added because the most prominent monument built during the Delhi Sultanate. The Sultanate played the most crucial role in making Delhi a commercial and political center and needs to represented.

• Safdarjung's Tomb: A prominent Mughal monument in Delhi. Plus, no image on it in the article.

• Rashtrapati Bhawan: Prominent British Raj era building. Houses President of India.

• Delhi metro: Image on transport in Delhi. Modern era of India.

• Lotus Temple: Monument which reflects modern Indian architecture and also Delhi's religious diversity.

Hope fellow Wikipedians will like the montage! Any changes or suggestion you would like to make, please let me know. Cheers! --Delhi Belly 2 (talk) 08:43, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

And apologies for including an image on Gurgaon in prev montage. --Delhi Belly 2 (talk) 09:15, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Found some skyline/aerial photos of Delhi which some might find interesting: Image:View from the top of the Jama Masjid Minaret New Delhi by od.jpg, Image:Dwarkasc4.JPG, Image:Dwarkasc2.jpg, [2] and [3]. --Delhi Belly 2 (talk) 09:53, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

I have added a new montage keeping in mind User:DelhiBelly's opinions. The new images include Lotus Temple (modern Delhi), India Gate (Colonial Delhi), Rastrapati Bhavan (Politics in Delhi), Humayun's Tomb (a world heritage site) (ancient Delhi), and Akshradham Temple (modern Delhi). I think this is a good mix of images showing different parts of Delhi. DelhiBelly wanted the Askhdhram Temple there & wanted a clearer image of Huymaun;s Tomb...so I added that and kept the India gate image since this is a symbol of Delhi. Nikkul (talk) 06:20, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Role of Delhi Sultanate

Previously, the intro paras specifically mentioned that Delhi was the capital of the Mughal Empire but didn't mention the role of Delhi Sultanate. I've changed the paragraph to mention the Sultanate and also added sources. Hope others don't have a problem with it. --Delhi Belly 2 (talk) 08:58, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

And I would like to mention my amusement at the lack of sources in this "featured article". --Delhi Belly 2 (talk) 08:59, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Montage restrictions

Please clarify if we can mix different creative commons licences to create a montage at WT:C. =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:40, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

I dont see a problem: it's not like we're giving a license to the montage as a whole. The licenses listed are for individual images. See montages. Nikkul (talk) 06:23, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Ummn, we are making a derivative image. The creative commons licence allows us to do that, but mixing different creative commons versions might create a noodle soup. Let's have them clarified instead of facing the ignominy of a deletion. =Nichalp «Talk»= 15:07, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Good you bought this point up. The montage which I made consisted of images with cc-by-2.0 (which does not state any restriction on the license of derivative work [4]) and cc-by-sa-2.0 (which states that derivative work should have same or similar license [5]). So, the montage should have cc-by-sa-2.0 or cc-by-sa-3.0 license. Regarding Nikkul's version, it needs to update the source of its images and licenses. --Delhi Belly 2 (talk) 07:35, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Delhi Municipal Corporation Square Kilometers

Hello, exactly how many square kilometers in size if the Delhi Municipal Corporation within the National Capital Territory? I ask, because I've seen the Municipal Corporation given an area of 1,484 sq km, 1,397.29 sq km, and 431 sq km (http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/products/dyb/dyb2006/Table08.pdf). Is there anyway someone could contact the city government and see exactly how much land the Delhi Municipal Corporation administers? --Criticalthinker (talk) 09:44, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Delhi on the Main Page

Delhi is on the Main page. Kensplanet^Talk_{Contributions} 04:06, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Yay! :D 220.227.165.210 (talk) 07:06, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Montage

The montage picture in the lead is very distasteful. One of the oldest relic found in India, the iron pillar of Ashok is missing. How can the picture of such a historical monument not find mention? Where is the metro? The commercial hubs? The connaught place? Also the Akshardham is displayed twice. The lead talks about Delhi being a modern metropolis with advanced strides in modernism. The present lead pictures give out the impression that it is some kind of religious capital! Sad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.96.160.243 (talk) 08:54, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

This is not the page for New Delhi, which is the capital.--GDibyendu (talk) 09:06, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Delhi Municipal Corporation vs. National Capital Territorial Government

What was the official population number for Delhi Municipal Corporation in 2001, which is a local government inside of the Nationa Capitol Territory, and what is the most recent estimate for the corporation? While this page may cover the entire territory/state, I think it would be important to add a local government section or rework the current administration section to make it clear that Delhi City, Cantonment, and New Delhi are local governments within a territory that has a territory level government above the municipalities. As this page currently reads, everything is jammed together, local government and territorial government, alike. There needs to be a clear distinction made between the three local governments that operate inside the territory and the territorial government. Does this make sense to anyone? --Criticalthinker (talk) 11:01, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with File:Commonwealth Games Federation Logo.png

The image File:Commonwealth Games Federation Logo.png is used in this article under a claim of fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the requirements for such images when used here. In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Please check

• That there is a non-free use rationale on the image's description page for the use in this article.
• That this article is linked to from the image description page.

This is an automated notice by FairuseBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. --16:53, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Resolved - image was removed from {{Commonwealth Games Host Cities}}. Franamax (talk) 17:32, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Confusing/contradictory terminology

It is not clear whether Delhi is a city, a territory, a state, a metropolis or a region. It might be all (though probably not a city), but I am completely confused because of the mix of terminology without an explanation. My guess is that people sometimes use the name "Delhi" to refer to "New Delhi" and that there are other cross-over references in common use, but a clear explanation is needed, IMHO. Here are some examples:

Delhi (Hindi: दहली, Urdu: دہلی dehlī), sometimes referred to as Dilli (Hindi: दिल्ली, Urdu: دلّی, Punjabi: ਦਿੱਲੀ dillī), is the second-largest city in India and, with over 11 million residents,[1] the eighth largest metropolis in the world by population.

It is a federally-administered union territory officially known as the National Capital Region (NCR).

The National Capital Territory of Delhi is spread over an area of 1,484 km2 (573 sq mi) , of which 783 km2 (302 sq mi) is designated rural, and 700 km2 (270 sq mi) urban. [Where does "National Capital Territory" come from? The sentence above says that the official name is "National Capital Region."

As of July 2007, the National Capital Territory of Delhi comprises nine districts, 27 tehsils, 59 census towns, 165 villages and three statutory towns – the Municipal Corporation of Delhi (MCD); the New Delhi Municipal Committee (NDMC); and the Delhi Cantonment Board (DCB).

The Delhi metropolitan area lies within the National Capital Territory of Delhi (NCT).

Earlier known as a special union territory Delhi, is a State and the National Capital Territory of Delhi has its own Legislative Assembly, Lieutenant Governor, Council of Ministers and Chief Minister. [I think the comma after "Delhi" should go before.]

New Delhi, an urban area in Delhi, is the seat of both the State Government of Delhi and the Government of India. [According to the New Delhi article, New Delhi is the capital city of India, not just an urban area.] Wakablogger2 (talk) 22:00, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Here is another sentence that is particularly confusing: Delhi has four major satellite cities which lie outside the National Capital Territory of Delhi. Perhaps this article needs to be broken up into one on the State (?) of Delhi, one on the metropolis of Delhi, one on the National Capital Territory, etc. Wakablogger2 (talk) 22:13, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Delhi is the name given to a metropolis consisting of three areas under different municipalities and lying within the National Capital Territory of Delhi (NCT). Note that terms "city" and "metropolis" are used interchangeably, so there is no problem over there. There was a separate article on the National Capital Territory of Delhi but in terms of population and land area, there is barely any difference between the two and therefore the article was merged into this. I've made changes to the lead to make the terminology used more clearer. Maybe you could contribute too. --Incidious (talk) 09:15, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Also note that a Satellite town is supposed to have its own administration. So saying that these satellite towns lie outside the NCT and hence have a different administration makes perfect sense. Also see the article on the term union territory.--Incidious (talk) 09:20, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for these edits. Because I know nothing about Delhi, it is very difficult for me to contribute. I eliminated a couple of uses of "state" and "city". It is very confusing to claim that Delhi is a city because the article says that New Delhi is a city within Delhi. If there is a city called Delhi, then the relationship between the city of Delhi and the other cities (particularly New Delhi) needs to be explicitly stated. If it's the situation that New Delhi is a city within the city of Delhi, then that should be stated. I do not have time now to look at everything in detail, but one sentence in particular remains very confusing: "As of July 2007, the National Capital Territory of Delhi comprises nine districts, 27 tehsils, 59 census towns, 165 villages and three statutory towns – the Municipal Corporation of Delhi (MCD); the New Delhi Municipal Committee (NDMC); and the Delhi Cantonment Board (DCB)." Why aren't the cities/metropolises of Delhi and New Delhi included in this? Wakablogger2 (talk) 22:39, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Censusindia

I am unable to verify the facts which are supported by reference 87 (http://www.censusindia.gov.in/). It claims I am not authorized. Is anyone authorized to access it or should we be looking for a new reference? The reason I am asking is a recent edit by Solar20 (talk · contribs) which I am somewhat skeptical of. But in any case web references should be accessible. Njaelkies Lea (talk) 18:52, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Light48 (talk · contribs) introduced the same facts in this article but was blocked one day before this new account appeared, quite likely the same user. I will revert the edits until someone can verify them. Njaelkies Lea (talk) 19:14, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Sister Cities section

I have deleted the section on Sister Cities because it is completely false. Sister Cities are determined by Sister Cities International and none of the cities in that section are actually sister cities with Delhi. Please do not add this section again unless you have a source.

Keep in mind that sister cities are not what WE feel Delhi should be sisters with. They are determined by Sister Cities International not us. Nikkul (talk) 01:23, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

That's completely incorrect. Twinned cities are determined by mutual agreement between the cities in question. Sister Cities International has nothing to do with it. Take a look at their mission statement - see how it discusses partnering with the United States? Now go buy yourself a globe and twirl it around.

I'll agree that twinning arrangements do need to be reliably sourced (and twin city sections are a mess across the wiki), but your assertion that the only source can be SCI is frankly laughable. Franamax (talk) 01:48, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Ok you do have a point. There do exist agreements between cities that may be out of the scope of Sister Cities International. But, for anything to be added onto Wikipedia, it needs to be sourced. Furthermore, Indian law bans any city from having more than 6 sister cities, hence the list that I have deleted is totally incorrect. Further additions must be sourced and must be added to the culture section and not in a new section. Nikkul (talk) 03:43, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

OK, I don't mind kicking the ball through moving goalposts, but I hope they stop somewhere!

• The list I added was different from the previous content and was sourced. Are you now changing around to say that the source is not good enough? In the edit summary of your latest reversion, you say that I need to "list the exact article, date, author, etc." - these are effortlessly available by simply clicking through to the supplied link. Do you now specify a certain template you wish used? One other than {{cite web}}? Could you link to the policy or guideline that supports this?
• You assert that Indian law bans any city from having more than 6 sister cities - in the same breath where you tell me that sourcing is needed. So please do back that up - which law? Where can I read this law? And furthermore, you have deleted two different lists - one was unsourced, another was indeed attributed to a source.
• You say additions must be added to the culture section - perhaps you could refer to the proper examples I've listed on your own talk page and the many many other English Wikipedia articles containing separate sections discussing sister/twin/partner cities. They're very common. Can you point me to the style guideline that dictates your preferred treatment?

The list of partner cities has been requested above, someone tried to provide it, I've now followed up with a sourced list, provided just where every other city article puts it. What is it that you dislike about this perfectly normal wiki-process? Franamax (talk) 04:04, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi all I dont have any right to talk in Delhi matter but I have faced same problem on Mumbai's article. So let me clear few things :-

1. Its the muncipal corporation of two citys decide weather they want to be sister or not and not by Sister Cities International!
2. Yes there is a law which probhits muncipal crporation to have a more than six sister citys (There was a article on it in Mumbai paper)
3. Its better to add list of sister citys to be added under People and culture section (Since main objective of tie up to promot cultural exchange)
4. Its better to verify sister citys of Delhi from its official website. Regards--Suyog^{talk to me!} 08:33, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments! Do you have a specific link where we could all read about the law on 6-sisters? Yes of course it's always best to source from the city website, but they don't all pay attention, so we often have to look elsewhere to verify the information, newspapers, university reports, economic development commissions and such.

And looking at the article history now, it appears that I made an error with my <ref> showing the source and maybe that's why Nikkul reverted saying "India Times" is not enough. My mistake there, I'll now revert once, then fix it. Franamax (talk) 09:28, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

OK, I typed those important extra four characters, url= :) Nikkul, next time you see a broken ref, you could always take a look at the wiki-text and maybe fix it before reverting. No problem though, my mistake and fixed now so that it's a clickable ref.

So there is sourced content describing the twin cities. As to the exact section where it appears, the style for cities in India may differ. Most city articles have a separate section for twin/partner/sister cities (although that may be a past campaign of SCI to make themselves prominent). I've no objection to you merging the content into another section, the article style is your decision. All I care about is fixing "sister cities" where I can. Regards! Franamax (talk) 09:47, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

I had a talk with Ex Mayor of Mumbai Shri Manohar Joshi few months back he also verified that Indian citys can have only 6 citys! If you get any link about this law please also inform me. (Abroard some citys can have unlimited sister citys!!) If you want to officially verify the Sister citys of Delhi, do one thing go to site of that citys and find for Delhi's entry in there site (This is longest method) As I told Delhi is not my matter you and add sister city info in any section you can even add it in lead section I have no objection!! Regards--Suyog^{talk to me!} 09:56, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Suyog - that's good advice. I'll try to reconfirm the twinning arrangements by looking at the other twin. I've done that before actually! In the meantime, I hope that the India Times article provides a sufficient reference. Franamax (talk) 11:27, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

I am glad you liked my longcut lol!! For time being ToI is sufficient. If frequent editors/ caretakers of this artice agrees on ToI article then its enough, dont go for other refrences--Suyog^{talk to me!} 16:22, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Capital? Metropolis? City?

As I have mentioned before, this article waffles on what exactly Delhi is, making the article very difficult to understand. It is very common for people (and the Encyclopedia Britannica even) to refer to Delhi as the capital of India. But it seems clear that New Delhi is the capital.

Here are my current guesses:

• New Delhi - a city in National Capital Territory and the national capital
• Delhi - a city in National Capital Territory and its capital
• Delhi - a common nickname for the National Capital Territory
• National Capital Territory - a special sort of region similar to a state but federally administered that encompasses Delhi and New Delhi

Can anyone help with this? Wakablogger2 (talk) 07:28, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Suggested addition for page

I've been having trouble getting information, but it appears that Delhi is not an official name. Can anyone confirm that the following statement is appropriate?

Properly speaking, Delhi is known as the National Capital Territory. There is no official administrative unit of India that is called 'Delhi.

Wakablogger2 (talk) 01:26, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

It is really confusing but it seems to me (I live in Delhi, I am also confused, but here is what I know) that New Delhi is the capital of India. New Delhi is situated in a bigger territory called Delhi. Delhi comprises of New Delhi, Old Delhi, East Delhi, West Delhi etc. Note that the area of New Delhi is under the administration of New Delhi Municipal Corporation (NDMC). Area outside NDMC administered region is administered by Municipal Corporation of Delhi (MCD). As far as municipal administration is concerned, NDMC and MCD are the only two agencies for whole Delhi Area. Note that Delhi is a big city and New Delhi is within Delhi but not a separate city because the city extends much beyond the New Delhi Area.

Politically, Delhi was governed by the central government and was thus called a Union Territory (UT) earlier. Later it was given a name National Capital Territory (NCT) to distinguish it from the other UTs. Specifically Delhi has its won legislatively assembly (which is absent in other UTs) and a chief minister, although Delhi is not a full fledged state. All departments such as Police, Fire and other civic entities/amenities are single entities and cover the whole area of Delhi including New Delhi and areas outside it.

Since past several years, people started referring to something called the Nation Capital Region (NCR) which includes along with Delhi, the neighbouring sub-urban areas which are actually part of other states. Such sub-urbs include NOIDA and Gurgaon, Ghaziabad, Faridabad etc etc.

BTW, Delhi (and New Delhi) is official as it has a Chief Minister and a Government. All else like NCT, NCR etc may or may not be official. Welcome to India where we like to keep things ambiguous and chaotic. 203.212.232.37 (talk) 13:25, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Small error(possibly nit-picking)

On this article it says Delhi is the sixth largest metropolitan area, but the List of metropolitan areas by population article, it is the eighth.