Talk:PlayStation 3

Technical Problems

There is no mention in the article about the Yellow Light of Death (YLOD) which indicates a general hardware failure on the PS3.

There is ample discussion of this matter and a wide body of citations available;

Currently 9M returns for "yellow light of death"

http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=yellow+light+of+death&form=QBLH&filt=all

and 1.9M returns for "yellow light of death"

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=yellow+light+of+death&meta=&aq=f&oq=

There is also zero mention the bricking problems Sony has while updating PS3 firmware. There is ample discussion of this matter and a wide body of citations available, this is but one;

http://gizmodo.com/5021399/playstation-3-firmware-24-bricking-some-ps3s

Something should be mentioned in a new section, titled "Technical Problems". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.90.141.16 (talk • contribs)

Addition of "YLOD" has been discussed here in the past and the main reason it hasn't been included is that there weren't any reliable, notable sources discussing it. It's mainly talk on forums and on fansites which is original research and therefore cannot be used. I don't know if this is still the case but as far as I know, the problem hasn't been widely reports by the likes of Gamespot, 1UP, Gamasutra, etc. People have suggested that it should be included because RROD is mentioned on the Xbox articles and the response to that has been that while YLOD is known among PS3 users, it isn't nearly on the scale of RROD which was very widely reported on in both the gaming and mainstream media and it's notability has therefore not been so strongly established. Regarding the firmware update that "bricked" some consoles. This is covered in the PlayStation 3 system software article. Chimpanzee - User | Talk | Contribs 21:40, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

A huge problem with the video game industry is fanboyism. Criticizing a product is basically a declaration of war. Anyway, the problem is at least known and suggested. I found this briefly searching for a reliable source. Maybe add a little blurb about it being suggested? --Phil1988 (talk) 01:07, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Wait, let me get this straight: you think we should include a blurb about how high hardware fault rates have been suggested, but proven wrong? That sounds kinda like a little bit of undue weight to me. Every piece of hardware that is ever mass produced has a certain failure rate, and unless that failure rate is oddly high (like the 360) it's not going to be notable enough to mention at all. =/ KhalfaniKhaldun 02:29, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

To the anonymous, here are a few links that you might want to read more seriously so that you can better understand why the YLOD isn't a significant enough of a problem to be included in the article:

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/36070/98/

http://blog.squaretrade.com/2008/02/xbox-360-issues.html

full report: http://squaretradebuyerblog.typepad.com/squaretrade/2008/02/xbox-fail-rates.html

Most consumer electronics industries expect a failure rate of 1 to 5 percent, which is perfectly acceptable. The PS3 has a failure rate of roughly 3% whereas the 360 has a rather disturbing failure rate of over 10% (the established 16.4% from the 2008 research and the rumored 33% often announced by retailers and service centers). Comparatively speaking, which of the two carries more weight in a class-action lawsuit: the PS3's 3% or the Xbox360's 16.4%? Also, we have public records of class-action lawsuits brought against Microsoft that specifically questioned the Xbox360's build quality. We don't have any such records for Sony's PS3 nor do we have any such records for Nintendo's Wii. Since the media isn't interested in a 3% fail rate, it's no wonder why the YLOD isn't mentioned in this article. (Psychoneko (talk) 15:42, 30 May 2009 (UTC))

Am pleased to see the YLOD mentioned within the article, particularly as the issue has received a fair deal of coverage in the UK. However, have added a citation req. against the claim that 0.5% of PS3 units are affected. Where/ how etc.? This also contradicts the above paragraph, which suggests 3% os units are affected.

(FungasUK (talk) 16:38, 13 December 2009 (UTC))

There is also no mention to the "Red Screen of Death" (like this one http://twitpic.com/wdbzr), which indicates a faulty PS3 in need of technical assistance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.20.225.144 (talk) 17:53, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

I would also like to see a technical failure on the articles for this seeing as I am part of that 3% that had his ps3 YLOD 3 times. Here is also a link to the people who are part of that 3% and GROWING. http://boardsus.playstation.com/t5/PlayStation-3-General/UNOFFICIAL-YLOD-VICTIMS-LIST/m-p/44456282 People would want to know before buying a 300$ machine that it might have a 2 year lifespan. In my case and others 600$. Also adding the details relating to this problem and theories on the reliability of the slim. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.127.58.233 (talk) 05:38, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Being part of the unfortunate minority does not make that minority noteworthy in the article. There is no piece of consumer electronics with 0 failures, so you should know that it is possible for it to fail when you buy it, be it a console, TV, sound system, projector, computer etc. It is noteworthy in the 360 article as it's failure rate is significantly higher than average by an order of magnitude. Of course the number of people who are experiencing failures is rising - there are more sold every day, so if the number wasn't rising, then Sony would have created perfect, unfailable hardware after a certain revision. The point is, while the NUMBER is going up the PROPORTION is not. Also, THEORIES on reliability are not encyclopedic, but would probably best be described as conjecture (might fit in a news article at a push, but not in an INFORMATIONAL article). Alphathon^TM (talk) 15:16, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Maybe I should have been more specific but the growing number of PS3's getting this problems are already discontinued. Also they seem to affect more specific models. While there are refurbished one's that are still being sold, the number of phat PS3's can only go down. There have also been ample discussion and explanations regarding the use of faulty or "cheap" solder used on the machines. If this was not the case then technicians and Fixit Yourself guys would have vastly different methods of repair when fixing YLOD from the PS3. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.127.58.233 (talk) 02:22, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Use a little logic please. For anything, older it is, the more likelly it is to fail due to wear and tear. Also, the number of dead systems can only go up or stay constant, but practically it can only be the former. As a result, of the discontinued models, especially the first models (US and Japanese 20 & 60 GB) the failures will go up over time just like for any electronic equipment. Find us a source which shows (and isn't conjecture) that the failure rate for phats, or a specific model is higher than the average, and it may be permissable in an ENCYCLOPEDIA. Also, AFAIK the "cheap" solder is only used for legal reasons - I'm fairly certain it has to be lead free, and it's the same reason Microsoft uses it in the 360. Individual techies can use whatever they want', but for it to be mass produced there are regulations in place. Alphathon^TM (talk) 08:56, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

I would like to make an edit to PS3 succeeding the PS2

As the new PlayStation3 systems no longer have any PlayStation 2 compatibilities so instead of leaving it as "and the successor to the Playstation 2" in the PS3 article should it be edited as "and it is currently supplemented with the PlayStation 2"? Any admin on Project PlayStation agree with that? Kyrios320 (talk) 04:02, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't see that the lack of PS2 compatibility in the newer PS3 models makes it any less of a successor. It will ultimately replace the PS2 when it's lifecycle ends but there's a period of overlap where both are supported. Either way, "successor" doesn't dictate that both can't exist at the same time, or that they have to be compatible. Chimpanzee - User | Talk | Contribs 07:43, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

The GameCube is considered the successor of the Nintendo 64, despite its complete non-support, albeit remakes. And the Dreamcast is the successor of the Mega Drive. Ffgamera - My page! | Talk to me! | Contribs 09:13, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, technically the Dreamcast was the successor to the Saturn was it not? It did go Mega Drive (Genesis for those in America) -> Saturn -> Dreamcast. I'm just being picky though ;D. Certainly by my standards the PS3 is the successor to the PS2, which in turn is the successor to the PS1 Alphathon (talk) 10:37, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Its called Playstation 3, in what universe is 3 not the successor of 2 ? The fact that its not backwards compatible hasnt got anything to do with whether or not the PS3 is the successor of the PS2 Leprecon (talk) 20:13, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

just because the PS2 is still on sale doesn't mean its not succeeded by the PS3. Its simply a longer-than-normal crossover period before the previous model gets discontinued. Every console has it. All the GameBoys, the DS (GBA), The PlayStation2 (PS1) had ones that spanned over a year. The Xbox and GameCube crossovers were pretty short mainly due to the fact they had stopped production a long time before, in anticipation of new consoles, they still had them though. Sony see the PS2 as still profitable due to Wii/PSP games being relatively easy to port and some developers preferring the console, but will stop at some point. It'll probably be sometime next year console manufacture stops and then maybe early 2011 the last game will come out. Remember the PS3 is meant to be out for 'at least a decade' so 5 years of exclusivity isnt bad chocobogamer mine 11:57, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

PS3 Slim unveiled, official

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/godofwariii/news.html?sid=6215547 http://gamescom.gamespot.com/story/6215296/299-ps3-slim-unveiled-existing-console-prices-drop-aug-19

PEOPLE, EDIT THE WIKI NAOOOOOO>... Bahahs 01:34, 19 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bahahs (talk • contribs)

Quite right, a more official source would be the PlayStation Blog. Ffgamera - My page! | Talk to me! | Contribs 07:25, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, but still, everyone knows Gamespot and IGN. Thanks for the blog link. When is everyone going to add this to the article? Bahahs 16:35, 19 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bahahs (talk • contribs)

Here is the official press release:
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/news/8ido180000026ml6-att/0819E.pdf (English)
http://www.sony.co.jp/SonyInfo/IR/news/8ido180000026mno-att/0819J.pdf (Japanese)
--Krtek2125 (talk) 17:25, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Great work. Bahahs 21:29, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm not registered so I can't make the change, but there is NO PS2 compatibility in the new Slim unit. PS1 emulation is provided. Verify here: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10313110-1.html Please somebody make the change, thx. 128.147.248.126 (talk) 17:47, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

It has already been added. Thanks anyway for your contribution. Bahahs 21:30, 19 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bahahs (talk • contribs)

Should we revamp the table with the prices and eliminate the precious it's taking up? Bahahs 21:37, 19 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bahahs (talk • contribs)

I have an aditon to the line just after "both Home Theater Magazine and Ultimate AV have given the system's Blu-ray playback very favorable reviews, stating that the quality of playback exceeds that of many current standalone Blu-ray players". Additional references from some of the most respected magazines that say the same thing: In Oct 2009, What Hi-Fi magazine (Haymarket Media Group) reviewed the slimline PS3 for HD video playback, and gave it 5* out of 5. In the same month, Home Cinema Choice (Future Publishing) gave it 4*. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.141.18.211 (talk) 00:44, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

It's not called the Slim, just the PlayStation 3.

As with previous PlayStations, the newer, slimmer model is slimmer and smaller, yes, but none of them are actually called Slim. This is not the PlayStation 3 Slim, it is not the PS3 Slim, it is just called the PlayStation 3. The slimmer PlayStation 2 was just called the PlayStation. The slimmer PlayStation Portable was just called the PlayStation Portable. So on, and so forth. Unless Sony themselves say it's called any different, such as with the PSP Go!, it is just the PlayStation 3.

The boxes just say PlayStation 3, and it was revealed at Gamecon as just being a slimmer PlayStation 3. Fans/conumers may call it whatever they want, that is not what I'm trying to correct and have no desire to do so, but it is not officially nor advertised as "PlayStation 3 Slim". I just wanted to point this out, to make it more official —Preceding unsigned comment added by Th8214 (talk • contribs) 03:15, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually, it's called the "PS3" - that's how it's written on the box. Chimpanzee - User | Talk | Contribs 08:18, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the FCC filing for the 250 GB PS3 Slim under the "Models" section, the 250 GB Slim hasn't been announced nor has it been listed for sale yet. Since the product doesn't exist yet, should it be mentioned at all or should it be removed? I was under the impression that wiki guidelines prefers to list tangible products. (Psychoneko (talk) 12:03, 20 August 2009 (UTC))

PS3 being 70% cheaper to manufacture?

Under the "Sales and Production Costs" section, someone quoted the current PS3s being 70% cheaper to manufacture. Thing is, I don't recall ever hearing about a Sony conference where the CEO mentioned the PS3's cost reduction being 70%. The problem I have with this information is that every other article that mentioned the PS3's cost reduction mentioned it as a "rumor". Since we don't have a newspaper or financial article regarding that aforementioned conference, I don't know if it should be included at all because we don't have the hard evidence for it. (Psychoneko (talk) 04:33, 21 August 2009 (UTC))

There are now three sources for the statement and this Kotaku article includes a link to the Sony conference call where Sony executive vice president and chief financial officer Nobuyuki Oneda made that statement. --GrandDrake (talk) 20:16, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

I remember seeing that article when it was first posted on Kotaku. The problem back then was that it had a "rumor" tag on it. Obviously, it has been weeks since I last read that article so if the rumor tag has been removed, then this issue is closed. (Psychoneko (talk) 20:52, 24 August 2009 (UTC))

Here is a reference [1] to the 70% value. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Atherton2 (talk • contribs) 00:01, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

calling for a page clean-up

first this page should be locked from editing and should be cleaned up, it's too messy to read properly. Markthemac (talk) 17:00, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. The article is a collection of bias with sources. It is a typical case of systemic bias. The tone of the Reception section encompasses a "movement" of the gaming industry and press of prejudice Sony and PlayStation platform. So, I don't think there is something to do because this issue is very common in the Wikipedia, with some exceptions where editors do a task force to improve the quality of the article. --Ciao 90 (talk) 18:01, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

From what I read in the reception article, its definitely not well balanced. In terms of reviews its pretty much all positive, with the criticisms coming from developers. Technical issues should be paired with the criticisms so that its easier to check neutrality. Also its not mentioned with the Valve statement but definitely worth mentioning that their statement rang true - EA did the PS3 version of the orange box chocobogamer mine 18:42, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely. I hear a lot of professional criticism of the PS3. Not so much now though. ★Ffgamera★ - My page! · Talk to me!· Contribs 04:42, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

wats the difference(besides the size)

tell me somthing. wats the difference between the ps3 an the ps3 slim?Vernon682

Very little. AFAIK the only non-cosmetic differences are the hard drive size (120GB), the lack of support for installing linux or other OSes (it is likelly possible, but would probably void your warranty) and the ability to bitstream HD audio via HDMI (it can still convert it to LPCM itself as well) In future though do not post non article related questions etc. This is not a forum. Also, to sign your name properly, you sould use 4 tiles (~) Alphathon (talk) 20:22, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Also, energy efficency, heat efficieny and Cell has been changed. The Cell is now 45nm instead of 60nm. ALL of this stuff is on google and/or on the article. I don't understand why people ask questions which are easily searchable. ★Ffgamera★ - My page! · Talk to me!· Contribs 05:41, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Wanting to edit 3.1 System Software

Hello all,

I have a proposal for an addition to this article. I believe the wiki should be edited to include the recent PS3 failures. This failure is most likely a Firmware problem, and would require its own section under 3.1 System Software. The section could possibly be labeled as "Firmware Issues".

Recently, the number of PS3 failures has been on the incline. There have been numerous amounts of people who are beginning to suffer Bluray drive failures. These problems are occurring mainly with the older models of the PS3. The majority of which are the second generation PS3s with backwards compatibility. There are currently two speculated causes of this failure. These problems are either the cause of older Hardware and/or the recent Firmware update. The majority of the evidence points towards the cause as being Firmware 3.0. Firmware 3.0 is said to cause unknown problems with the PlayStation, and causes the drive not to read Bluray disks among other problems. In some cases, the affected PS3 cannot read any disks.

The problems that have been occurring are:

• Loss of controller use (Bluetooth problems possibly)
• Drive malfunctions
• Console bricking

This problem has been officially recognized by Sony(1). Currently they say the issue is only isolated. However, the more cases that arise, the more it will convince them otherwise. To make Sony acknowledge this problem, two owners are currently suing the company for their console failures(2). {BR}

I would appreciate it if you could take my proposal into consideration.

Sources:

1 Sony Official Announcement - http://blog.us.playstation.com/2009/09/update-on-ps3-firmware-3-00/

2 Sony sued over PS3 firmware update problems Article - http://www.gamespot.com/news/6239189.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=newstop&tag=newstop;title;13

Sign and date please, and firmware 3.1 doesn't even exist. It's firmware 3.0 or 3.01, and I'm pretty sure we've already included a section on technical issues. ★Ffgamera★ - My page! · Talk to me!· Contribs 00:44, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

I think you have not forgotten this: v.3.00 was released by Sony to do three things: 1)isolate knock-off or fake DualShock 3 controllers from being used (if you have at least a Ceramic White CECHZC2U DualShock 3)

2) was supposed to provide stable usage of the PlayStation Network and its components ( including PS Store) and

3) provide a new start-up screen and removal of the Spider Man fonted "PLAYSTATION 3" splahscreen for old design PS3s. Kyrios320 (talk) 04:02, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Bundle information in model comparasion section

I bought my PS3 in Norway sometime during the summer last year. It was the 40 GB model, and it came bundled with Metal Gear Solid 4. I am pretty sure this was an official bundle, seeing as the PS3 box also had MGS4 artwork on it. If needed, I could provide pictures of my PS3 box as proof, but I don't really see why I should be lying about something like this.

--80.202.26.36 (talk) 12:31, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

What is your point exactly? We already know this, and the PS3 isn't a special PS3, it's just the box, so there's no need to include it in, as other games have bundles with the PS3 which don't have special designs on the PS3 like the 40GB MGS4 bundle with the Gun Metal Grey design. ★Ffgamera★ - My page! · Talk to me!· Contribs 00:46, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

SALES ARE WRONG!

Sony Europe boss Andrew House in reference *200 says on the 18th of august 2009 that its sold 23.7 million and 10 million in SCEE where the UK is part. However the total in the chart on the wiki says 27 million

The reference 204 that states that the sales are at 27 million are not factual, they just state that theyve sold 3 million in the second quarter, well within the aforementioned statement by Andrew House. It can not be added to the figure by him. The 204 ref does not contain any other reference to the ps3 at all.

ref 200: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/scee-ps3-sales-more-than-10-million —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.225.254.183 (talk) 15:27, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

THe figure on the ps3 page is with europe AND UK, but the UK are already included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.225.254.183 (talk) 15:31, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

The reason why the numbers don't add up is because some of them are outdated (numbers for US and Europe are from August, but the total is from September 31st). Note that the total sales number has not been reached by adding the regional sales in the table, they are directly from reference 2 http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps3_sale_e.html

Sales for FY 2006, 2007, 2008, and up until Q2 2009 (ending September 31st 2009) according to the numbers directly from Sony is 27 million, which is without a doubt the most reliable source for total worldwide sales that you will find. Lars Holm (talk) 10:43, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Possible New Section

How about a "Possible Successor" section. Several rumors surfaced recently regarding the GPU and CPU that will be implemented in the next generation Sony console. Might be worthwhile to mention it as I think it it too early for a PS4 page. Rick Evans (talk) 22:59, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation. All articles about anticipated events must be verifiable.--Megaman en m (talk) 10:13, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Need to mention PS3's being used in government and academia as supercomputers

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Technology/GadgetGuide/air-force-thousands-playstations/story?id=9272180

Why Does the Air Force Want Thousands of PlayStations? Clusters of High-Performance Gaming Consoles Can Serve as Supercomputers By KI MAE HEUSSNER Dec. 8, 2009

The Air Force Research Laboratory in Rome, N.Y., recently issued a request for proposal indicating its intention to purchase 2,200 PlayStation 3 (PS3) consoles... They plan to string the consoles together into a massive supercomputer and study how well they can enhance the military's high-performance computing systems. "The PS3s offer some outstanding performance for the price," said Richard Linderman, senior scientist for advanced computing architectures at the Air Force Research Laboratory. "It's an opportunity to leverage the large gaming market and get those kinds of cost efficiencies which are more along the lines of high-performance computing."

What makes the PlayStation so interesting to Linderman and his bargain-hunting colleagues is the PS3's mega-powerful Cell processor, which was created jointly by IBM, Sony and Toshiba. According to a document accompanying the Air Force RFP, a server configured with two 3.2GHz cell processors can cost up to $8,000, while two Sony PS3s cost just a fraction of that price at about $600.

In May 2008, the Air Force acquired 336 PlayStation 3 consoles, loaded them on to large metal bread racks and linked them together in its first experimental cluster. Once the researchers configured the hardware, they installed the Linux operating system on them, turning the gaming consoles into a military-grade supercomputer. Linderman said their first PS3 cluster was used in applications such as high-definition video processing and "neuromorphic" computing, which mimics the way the human brain perceives and processes images and information. When the new cluster of 2,200 PS3 consoles arrive in the next month or so, he said they will likely be used for similar projects.

But the Air Force researchers aren't the only ones to harness the power of the PlayStation consoles. From coast to coast, academic and military computer scientists are stringing the consoles together in various projects. David Bader, a professor and executive director of high performance computing at the Georgia Institute of Technology, has been involved in a number of projects involving PlayStation clusters... At Georgia Tech, Bader has researched the possibility of using PS3 clusters in aircraft monitoring and financial risk assessment. One project proposed using PlayStation 3 consoles on board commercial airplanes, he said. Consoles would not only provide in-flight entertainment for each passenger, but also serve as sensors around the aircraft that would alert the pilot to potential problems and failures.

Astrophysicists at the University of Massachusetts at Dartmouth are using a cluster of PS3 consoles to research gravitational waves and black holes... And even the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency's Cyber Crimes Center has used linked PS3s to solve Internet crimes. Compdude3 (talk) 15:01, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Best selling game (again)

This recent edit seems to be in good faith, but the source doesn't actually state GT5p is the best selling ps3 game. I think this field should stay removed until there is a source that explicitly states a specific game as the best selling ps3 game. 124.187.50.4 (talk) 09:06, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Price for Slim?

299.99 i heard. i'am from usa. Huik01 (talk) 01:08, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Playstation 3 worlwide sales went up to 30 million

the worldwide sales of the playstation 3 as of december 2009 are now 30.10 million units sold.

[vgchartz.com]

Ukame (talk) 02:27, 31 December 2009 (UTC)12/30/09

VG Chartz is not a reliable source. See WP:VG/CHARTZ. Chimpanzee - User | Talk | Contribs 09:52, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, they just make up the figures and the guy who does it has confirmed as such Alphathon (talk) 16:35, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

YLOD

I know people may attempt to delete this but it needs to be read. after the new year's hit my ps3 got the ylod... and i was like dam but i start looking it up and it seems coutless people have the same problem. this dose not seem to be random to me i think somthing is going on but sony wont comment on it but i refuse to pay them 150 bucks if somthing is going on lime mabey a virus or a cover up pr whatever it is... all i know is that as many peoplethat are having this issue right as the new year's hit dosent seem to be random at all and it needs to be know... so if u are like me and are having this issue but cant seem to find any help like on google yahoo and even the sony website.... u are not alone and trust me somthing is going on but as of right now there trying to cover it up or somthing.... im working as hard as i can to atleast get someone to talk —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.171.16.42 (talk) 03:35, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree with this guy partially, I just got a YLOD myself and had to buy a PS3 SLIM, I had a 60 GB first-gen (in France) ps3, three-year old approximately. I don't think it's a virus, but there is clearly a cover-up by sony, so I just want this to be said here, for further references purpose, in case someone would like to lead a full investigation about the YLOD for wikipedia. It should be noted that my YLOD is clearly an overheat issue, so again, nothing extraordinary, beside the cover-up by sony! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.192.34.59 (talk) 00:14, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

I also had YLOD. It IS an overheat issue and I got it fixed same day at a local hardware place for £60. No biggie. If we're assuming a 3% failure rate as normal, then it's a volume game. Assuming 3 million sold in the UK (working off that 10m SCEE figure) then you wuold expect 30,000 fails. That population is going to generate a lot of noise online. But no conspiracy or cover-up - it's well within the normal fail rate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.169.147.254 (talk) 17:16, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

it only affects 0.05% of ps3's not 0.5 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.108.54.238 (talk) 16:16, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

PS3 Hacked

This is significant, as "Sony's console is undisputedly the most secure games machine ever made":

http://geohotps3.blogspot.com/2010/01/heres-your-silver-platter.html http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-ps3hacked-article http://rdist.root.org/2010/01/27/how-the-ps3-hypervisor-was-hacked/

68.8.99.245 (talk) 06:00, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

How does that make it significant? Just because it has been hacked doesn't mean that it isn't the most secure, it just means it isn't infinitely secure. It is worthy of mention, but the kind of thing that would have its own article or a mention in a console hacking article. Besides it is mentioned briefly in the slim section with regard to the removal of Linux (or at least it was last time I looked) Alphathon^TM (talk) 21:47, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Hardware > "Reliability" vs. "Technical Issues"

Hi guys,

Some people have suggested that since the Xbox 360 article has a "Technical problems" section, then this article ought to as well. That would be like suggesting that because the article for the RMS Titanic has a section about hitting an iceberg and sinking, then the Mayflower article ought to as well.

According to this Ars Technica article, the PS3 has a 3% failure rate, which is typical of most electronic devices; whereas the Xbox 360 has a 16% failure rate, which is pretty much unheard of. InternetMeme (talk) 15:43, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

I have to agree. The section in the PS3 article is about reliability, not specific technical issues like the 360 article. This is relevent because of the 360s above average failure rate. I would be interested in seeing said comments that suggest it should be so (maybe in the 360 article talk page?) (P.S. I have taken the liberty of signing your post for you) Alphathon (talk) 19:46, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

If it helps, I never made any comments suggesting that we should have a "Technical Issues" section, but I did rename the section "Technical Issues" after another editor named the section "Yellow Light of Death" (it was previously titled "Lifespan"; here are the diffs: 1 2). I changed the name based on the fact that the RLOD problem on the 360 is in a section titled "Technical Issues" and it didn't seem appropriate to have a separate "Yellow Light of Death" section in this article, especially since the problem is not as widespread. For what it's worth, I agree with both of you and I think that "Reliability" sounds fine. Regards, • CinchBug • 20:11, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Cool, I'd say your reasoning was sound : ) Also, thanks Alphathon for signing my post. You did a much nicer job than one of those bots. InternetMeme (talk) 06:17, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, sounds fair enough, and "Technical Issues" is definitelly far better than "Yellow light of death", if only for neutrality reasons. @InternetMeme no problem :P Alphathon (talk) 14:11, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

PS3s sold

I have read the source that is stated in the amount of PS3s sold. The chart while saying 33.5 million have been sold, it only goes up to the end of Q3 of 2009 (Sept. 30, 2009). It says Dec. 31, 2009. Can someone edit that and make it right? Never mind, I forgot about the fiscal year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.16.197.34 (talk) 22:37, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

new peripheral called "Torne"

• official site, description Cliché Online (talk) 18:04, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Appearance

"The only difference in the appearance of the first five models was the color of the trim and number of USB ports"

This is incorrect. The 20GB model did not have the memory card reader and thus does not have the hinged door covering the ports. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.57.104.124 (talk) 15:34, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

 Done The 40GB, 80GB (PAL & non-BC NTSC) or 160GB don't have card readers either. Also later models have fewer air vents

Calendar Issue

Ok, hold on a sec, I have reports of many people owning gen 1 through 3 'fat' units that are not affected by 8001050F, so the entry needs revising.Twobells (talk) 13:56, 1 March 2010 (UTC) Edited the first paragraph with the inclusion of the word 'some'.Twobells (talk) 14:03, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Notability

I think we should probably try and discuss what, if anything, should be included in the article about this issue, rather than everyone treading on each-other's edits as they desperately try to add the latest information. I'll leave my opinion here as I did on Talk:PlayStation Network: Wikipedia isn't a news site and I don't think this is really encyclopeadic. Although it's a big deal at the moment as everyone's complaining about it, I don't think an online service being unavailable for (so far) one day for a portion of users is really notable. If it goes on a lot longer and has more serious repercussions, it might be worth mentioning but so far I don't think notability has been established, in the grand scheme of things. If this were a recurring issue that became very well-known like the YLOD or RROD then it might have some merit, but as far as I can tell it's only being included at the moment becuase people are pissed off. Chimpanzee - User | Talk | Contribs 17:07, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Seconded Alphathon^TM (talk) 18:22, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

No Chimpanzee, error 8001050F is affecting more than just the online service (PSN). It won't even let you play any disc-based games OFFLINE if they have connectivity to trophies. It's also erasing downloadable content and stuff purchased from the store. This is fairly notable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.232.39.190 (talk) 19:59, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

It is absolutely noteworthy and encyclopeadic.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/technology/newsid_10050000/newsid_10058900/10058914.stm::

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/288320

http://computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=237132

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6252534.html

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2010/03/apocalyps3/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.206.2.70 (talk) 20:46, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

It should be -- without any doubt -- go into it's own section. Suggesting that it _not be included_ is laughably POV damage control. Just laughable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.206.2.70 (talk) 20:41, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

FURTHER,

To Quote Chimpanzee on this very page:

"while YLOD is known among PS3 users, it isn't nearly on the scale of RROD which was very widely reported on in both the gaming and mainstream media and it's notability has therefore not been so strongly established"

So, BBC and CVG is Mainstream as it gets for this industry, and shoudl clearly (as Chimpanzee suggests) ACTUALLLY BE INCLUDED.

I humbly suggest that Chimpanzee has a Positive POV agenda. His edits and discussion here are uniformly pro-PS3.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.206.2.70 (talk) 20:44, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

You can humbly suggest all you like mate, but you may want to look at the date of that comment you quoted - it was long before the issue had been reported by the likes of the BBC and notablility had been established. As an unregistered user with 4 edits, you obviously don't have enough knowlege of my contributions to assess any kind of "agenda" I might have.

Anyway, all of that cleared up, I wasn't aware that this problem had already been reported by sites such as Wired and BBC. Thanks for the links. Chimpanzee - User | Talk | Contribs 21:40, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't this be moved out of the Hardware Issues section now that it is known that it is a software/firmware not a hardware issue?Gamer9678 (talk) 23:56, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Apocalyps3

"Monday morning, Sony confirmed this to be the case. “We believe we have identified that this problem is being caused by a bug in the clock functionality incorporated in the system,” said Sony spokesperson Patrick Seybold in a statement emailed to media and posted on the company’s blog."

Read More http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2010/03/apocalyps3/#ixzz0gxixnDpe

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2010/03/apocalyps3/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.206.2.70 (talk) 21:23, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Euro Glitch

I notice that European glitch affecting thousands today of PS3s have not been shown on the article. [2] its also on the UK Playstation site [3] I think this should be shown, best Likelife (talk) 21:39, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Well it's only temporary so it doesn't need to be mentioned...

What's going on here? I came to this page to check out the PS3 "bug" story that is making national news in several countries, and there is no mention of it? Fig (talk) 23:42, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

There are resident Positive POV editors camping this article.

Yes there is. See ther Hardware issues section. Chimpanzee - User | Talk | Contribs 23:47, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Also wikipedia is not a news site so it would not be the place to come read about the breaking NEWS that is "making national NEWS"Gamer9678 (talk) 23:56, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

"By March 1, owners of the original PS3 could connect to PSN successfully and the clock no longer showed December 31, 1999" Errr...no, it was towards the end of March 1, not by. Plus, shouldn't it really be "By March 2nd GMT" or something similar as this is the time the internal clock uses? 86.30.35.190 (talk) 18:45, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, the problems are still ongoing for many - yet this article incorrectkly claims otherwise.

I don't know if it has passed yet (or even if my PS3 was affected, having not turned it on since February) but it should certainly be in UTC (same as timezone as GMT, but that is what it should be called in this case). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alphathon (talk • contribs) 22:46, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Ps3 Meltdown

February 28, 2010. Will be known as the day ps3 went down. During a system update the ps3 was given a harmful bug that caused the system to stop working. However the owners of a ps3 slim where not effected due to its auto debugging hardware. The timetable for a solution has not yet to be given for those whomes systems are down due to this world wide problem.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.61.127.252 (talk) 22:06, 1 March 2010 (UTC) 

Typo - not PS2

Slim model

{ {Infobox VG system |title=PlayStation 2 slimline SHOULD BE Playstation 3 slimline |logo= |image= |caption= The PlayStation 3 slimline. |manufacturer=Sony Computer Entertainment |family=PlayStation |CPU= 300 MHz

 Done among other things Alphathon^TM (talk) 15:05, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

{{editsemiprotected}} Slim model subsection contains incorrect CPU spec's.  Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.

My mistake, I missed that bit (the original post wasn't exactly clear). It's been removed since then anyway, so  Done Alphathon^TM (talk) 13:14, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Leap year bug CECHL

{{editsemiprotected}} Leap year bug sub section fails to mention that fat ps3 models with the CECHL model number where also unaffected.  Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.

Out of place section [Leap Year Bug]

This section totally feels out of place. Hardware configurations -> Reliability -> the one global issue they had go wrong -> PSP connectivity.

To be honest even the reliability section feels out of place when discussing hardware configurations.

Normal reliability is a misnomer. Stating "Normal" reliability introduces the editor's opinion. This isn't a title, it's a statement (like a headliner in a newspaper). It's absurd to have a subsection title that needs a citation.

I recommend a new section be outside of the hardware section labeled "Reliability". The normal reliability statement fits within the summary of the section. "Issues" can be a subsection that includes the Yellow light and 2010 Leap Year bug. --Cflare (talk) 22:42, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

 Done: We might still need to work on the subsections. Cochonfou (talk) 13:08, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

I feel that it is the subsection is up to wikipedia's standards and should not be changed. A5051790463174 (talk) 16:13, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Leap Year Bug

This was removed from the ARM Architecture article because it rightly didn't belong there. Please fix the horrible grammar and formatting before including any of this in the main article.

PS3 Date Controversy

It has been suggest that older verions of the ARM SYSCON cpus had errata such that the CPUs believed incorrectly that 2010 was a leap year and may be partially responsible for non slim versions of the Playstation 3 not being able to function properly beginning on 3/1/2010. "The ARM SYSCON CPU that is used to power up the front panel of the ps3, that is responsible for doing things like sleep mode, eject, RTC etc. Is an old batch that sony picked up from the shelf like other manufacturers that has that calendar year bug regarding feburary 29th on certain periods. Causing the ps3 system clock and the real time clock to desync, messing up security measures like Digital Rights management software and sometimes games that relies on clocks for whatever reason. As well as signing up to the playstation network… This CPU is always on even when your PS3 isn’t plugged

This is the one of the same type of CPUs that is powering up mobile devices like zune and blackberries, they have been affected with this bug, so they done some software patches. A syscon update can also fix this problem

The Slims ps3s aren’t affected because they use a newer up to date revision on the syscon cpu that fixes this bug.

[WARNING: will void your warranty, may be best to wait for official solution from Sony] - A quick way to fix this is to remove the RTC battery for at least 5-10 min and plug it back in, you will see the date and time reset, and voila… "

I think it is possible that the nature of the bug is due to the hardware using BCD dates, and the leap year algorithm checking if the BCD year is divisible by four. 10 is not divisible by four, but 0x10 is. So this may return every other year for the rest of the decade until Sony patches it. 67.64.66.99 (talk) 12:21, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Looks good to me, although you're right about the grammer :S. Some citations would be nice as well. Alphathon^TM (talk) 13:33, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Error

In the section "Sales and production costs" there's a mis-spell "whilst" should be "while" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Death Bed Mike (talk • contribs) 22:33, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Actually, "whilst" is correct and almost synonymous with "while", see: [4] Alphathon^TM (talk) 11:26, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, but it's generally only used by elitists or people who are trying to sound smarter than they are 71.97.59.52 (talk) 03:02, 21 March 2010 (UTC)