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A fact from this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the On this day section on August 8, 2006, July 28, 2007, July 17, 2008, January 27, 2009, and January 27, 2010. |
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Please remove the photographic images they are highly offensive:} —Preceding unsigned comment added by Almortian (talk • contribs) 01:42, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not censored for the benefit of the minority of people who may be offended by pictures of people. Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 02:11, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
he is right please the pictures it is offensive to all the muslims of the world.
- That's not quite true as Depictions of Muhammad points out. As a warning there are also pictures there, starting about half way down the page. A slightly more correct statement would be that in general Sunni Muslims believe that the images are forbidden but not all Shia do. However, as Lkjhgfdsa 0 points out Wikipedia is not censored and you might want to read Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Islam-related articles). The pictures will stay. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 23:29, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
- Well, looks like it's gone again. I've no problem with having no picture, since there probably is no reliable one extant. But as a non-Muslim I object to having Muslims tell me what I can and cannot view, sitting here in a free country. The Sanity Inspector (talk) 21:46, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Map fault
The map given along with the article has a fault. It shows green areas that were under Ali till 661 at his death time. It is known that Hijaz Yemen and northern Iraq were at that time under Muavia control but in the map they are shown under Ali's control. Please rectify the mistake. --Citrus1000 (talk) 04:16, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
- This section is historic report. We have described religious views somewhere else. You can read former discussions about this issue such as 1 and 2.--Seyyed(t-c) 05:15, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Merger proposal
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
- The result was merge into Ali. — Favonian (talk) 20:25, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
The article on Asadullah concerns a specific title of Ali and the circumstances of its granting. It should be merged into the main article with a redirect. Favonian (talk) 13:59, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support - Asadullah is only two sentences and it describes a "personal title" that is only ever used in reference to Ali (no one else is called by this title) so it should reasonably be merged into Ali. Possibly the section "In Battles" would be a good spot for it? Doc Tropics 14:42, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Text and/or other creative content from Asadullah was copied or moved into Ali with this edit. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. |
I am the city of knowledge and 'Ali(r.a) is its gate so whoever desires knowledge let him enter the gate. محمّد
Add quote please.' Ditc (talk) 04:12, 6 October 2009 (UTC)ditc
Non-neutral point of view in this article
This is one of the most unneutral articles i have ever read in my life. Will be subject to deletion if not balanced immediately. --85.154.167.40 (talk) 14:20, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
- You're new here.
- No, it will not be subject to deletion if it is not "balanced" (by which you qualify no specific reason why it is supposedly unbalanced) it is a notable subject with significant third-party coverage, and you do not have the right to delete the article. I highly suggest you become acquainted with our policies and guidelines before making threats. Any blanking of the page will simply be reverted and you'll be on a short road to a block.
- If you want to contribute constructively, that is entirely welcome. Tell us what you think is written from a non-neutral point of view and why, and if it is then it shall be changed. It's as simple as that. Peter Deer (talk) 20:36, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Ali & Persians
In the entire article, the Persian alliance towards Ali is only mentioned briefly and indirectly through a quote by Khalil Gibran. Ali's supporters were mainly Sassasanian prisoners of war stationed in Kufa, the capital of Ali. The Persians despised the strict Arab identity and oppressive Uthman caliphate so they had sided with Ali who was more sympathetic to Persians than the Arab caliphate. The Persians from the beginning, since being invaded by Arabs and conquered by Arab Muslims, resented the invaders who were under the leadership of Omar. That is why Persians have historically sided with Ali and have a tradition of insulting the first three caliphs before Ali (see institutionalized Shia traditions by Ahmad Kasravi).
In short, the article should shed a bit more light on the role of the Persians in keeping the Shia tradition alive, which is embedded with sentiments relating to Ali character. This isn't a Persian nationalist rant, I think it is important to highlight this point a little bit more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ditc (talk • contribs) 23:41, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
oldest known picture
ok i have heard from what I thought are reliable sources that this (http://www.activistchat.com/images/ImamAli.jpg) is oldest known picture of Hazrat e Ali. Can someone please clear that up.
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